Open 703: Masons and Mafia Town Win!

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Hello I'm in this but still V/LA for finals until Saturday

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Catch-up later today

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CommKnight

Gamma Emerald

havingfitz

humaneatingmonkey

rb

jzhenson93
MawhrinSkel

JunkoChan

mozamis

Hongzi

TwoInAMillion

Almost50

VOTE: Almost50

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Yes

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I townread the green people because they've been acting towny

I scumread the red people because they're been acting scummy

I nullread the grey people for lack of AI content

If you want more specifics maybe I'll wallpost tomorrow when I'm actually awake

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Yeah but junko, this actually is how he plays as town

Do you have experience with gamma to claim otherwise or are you just blowing smoke with this, frankly absurd, scum buddying accusation

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OK buddy

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I'd be rather surprised if Comm or Gamma were scum in this game. I don't think Comm makes his 84 nor Gamma his 251/253 as scum here, at least not at that time and in that way

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Wow that was boneheaded

My thought going into this was that we'd have to get really lucky for scum to actually randomly try to kill people in a setup like this lmao

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Hm nobody has daychat so no gambiterino

hong goes from red to green on my list for pushing jzhen

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VOTE: TwoInAMillion

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As a general rule I don't vote my townreads for information

Sorry

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VOTE: wavemode

this is who we should lynch

Gamma's flip would be informative and would confirm some of the WIFOM coming from A50. I'm not saying A50 is wrong either, but there are certain assumptions that need to be made for the scenario to resolve. Scummy play though? wavemode. If wavemode flips red, 2IAM for sure.

See, this is funny

Because if someone asks you, hey why is wavemode scummy

You will also have no real answer

Instead you will get indignant and spout a bunch of things are are completely NAI

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Bullshit read list that flips the game state on its head. Unwillingness to share thought process with others beyond circular reasoning. Distanced himself from jz in his read list, then tried to establish some towncred by calling him a bonehead. Now, I think he's voting his partner.

My prediction was incorrect

These aren't things that are NAI, they're just false statements

Well ok then

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lmao, "deeply unwilling"? how do I work with you when your perception of me is colored from the start

Bruh, if I'm scum for coloring jz white instead of red nothing I say at this point will change that

The rest of the stuff is just false or based on faulty assumptions, or on me simply not being as active as other players

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Why do you consider TIAM a bad vote

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I still townread Gamma Emerald. I don't think the emotion he's shown this game has been fake or forced, even if his reads have not been entirely accurate

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What I don't understand is what any of this proves

Even if your theories are sound Almost50 the issue is you're operating on unconfirmable conjecture

For all we know he shot someone completely unrelated to any of this. Maybe he thought he'd picked up on a strong mason tell. Communication between partners maybe

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You might be waiting a while

Down here on earth we mere mortals take time to evaluate things when the gamestate changes drastically

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TIAM is a hard one to read, I will admit

One one hand I disagree with or don't understand a lot of the conclusions he draws with little evidence, like in his 39

On the other hand, I feel like I get that impression in every game I play with TIAM. Sometimes he flips town, sometimes scum

I do consider him a lategame liability in general, so I'm perhaps biased in that regard

Either way, this is the lynch I support atm

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Sure.

VOTE: Wavemode

How does this get zero scrutiny

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While I don't see where wavemode said their first readslist was bad I still feel they are not explainng nearly as much as they should, and I also feel his calling Hongzi's points against him was wrong, as Hongzi's points were true.
VOTE: wavemode

?? which of his points were remotely true

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If you decide to trust my reads; I can assure you Gamma is Town here. Vote wave with me and if he doesn't flip Scum though I will vote Gamma. (That is to say I'm so confident in wave being Scum as I am in Gamma being Town).

This looks like setting up two easy mislynches if I've ever seen it. Take note Gamma that the wagon you're on is composed of scumfucks who are about to turn on you

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The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

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The rest are pointless assumptions

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No, I think you want me flipped but are ignoring reason. That in and of itself says nothing of your alignment though; town do that more often than scum, to tell you the truth

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Cool, congratulations. Reminds me of the Open from a few months ago where I had 2/3 scum pegged on day 1 and finally lynched them in lylo after all the people defending them were finally dead, and went on to win the game for town. Or the newbie I replaced into a few weeks back where I instantly caught both scum and ended the game right then and there. Or the Large that just ended where I was vig and shot 2/4 of the scumteam myself

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That's not to mention the Mini from a month back where I was killed night 1 because my day 1 scumreads were 4 people and 3 of them were the scumteam

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Hey, I didn't start it. Almost50 wanted to share a story so I figured it was storytime

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Say to what? To the fact that nobody on my wagon has any stated reasons for pushing me that aren't fabrications?

You're the one claiming to be good at reading people with your story, yet here you are pushing obvtown

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Mmmm, nah fam. Pretty sure only scum throw out nonsense reads to save their own skin. I'm not going to magically conjure up a reads list worth dick because you keep shouting at me to. I'll evaluate the game over time and figure out who really is scum

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You also talk as though everyone in the game but me has put out a readslist post-jzhen's flip with full reasoning

Makes your push look kinda bad, actually. Why the selective attention?

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The towniest thing for YOU to do was to post an updated readlist at this time.

Funny how this is literally the only thing you can cling to to justify a wavemode lynch. Pretty thin, once you look at it in plain terms. It's almost as though I've done essentially nothing scummy this game and this is a low-effort lynch... hmmm

Also, I've already pointed out that this point is nonsense. How does me being at L-2 suddenly give me a clear picture of everyone's alignment? In fact personally, I'd be kind of suspicious of someone who was put at L-2 and suddenly started scumreading a bunch of people they never mentioned before then

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I mean, it's easy to make a bunch of statements like in your 492. In fact, that's what I'd do now if I were scum and wanted to satisfy your request for reads on everyone

But you see, the hard part is actually referencing anything in my ISO that backs them up

I invite you to try though, ought to be entertaining

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Yeah but junko, this actually is how he plays as town

Do you have experience with gamma to claim otherwise or are you just blowing smoke with this, frankly absurd, scum buddying accusation

I'd be rather surprised if Comm or Gamma were scum in this game. I don't think Comm makes his 84 nor Gamma his 251/253 as scum here, at least not at that time and in that way

Hm nobody has daychat so no gambiterino

hong goes from red to green on my list for pushing jzhen

I still townread Gamma Emerald. I don't think the emotion he's shown this game has been fake or forced, even if his reads have not been entirely accurate

TIAM is a hard one to read, I will admit

One one hand I disagree with or don't understand a lot of the conclusions he draws with little evidence, like in his 39

On the other hand, I feel like I get that impression in every game I play with TIAM. Sometimes he flips town, sometimes scum

I do consider him a lategame liability in general, so I'm perhaps biased in that regard

Either way, this is the lynch I support atm

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VOTE: Wavemode

How does this get zero scrutiny

I mean, you're probably lying that you will unvote but here you go

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I said you provided an inexplicable read list

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You and hong would get along quite nicely. You're making the same shitty push for the same non-reason

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who's the scum on your wagon then

you said it was full so who is it full of

That's a good question

TIAM is a good candidate, for one, for reasons I detailed previously

I also had Junko as a soft scumread for "Gamma wasn't hammered yet means that he is either a mason or scum". Their play since then has just been a series of bad pushes. jzhen voted this but that doesn't really clear them

Gamma I actually do townread his play, for reasons I've given previously. (And it's worth noting that jzhen also voted Gamma so anyone claiming Gamma is a valid lynch should agree with me that Junko is valid as well)

The two who were actively pushing jzhen are Hong and Almost50, which I don't deny is points in their favor, but also doesn't clear them. Almost50 in particular I'm still evaluating, since my current gut feel is that his tunnel on me seems disproportionately aggressive relative to the minor evidence given

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The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You don't get a reprieve just because scum flipped.You're still responsible for explaining yourself.

that's dumb

and you're both town

stop it

rb your pocket is nice and cozy, I like it in here

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Looks like it was just dumb

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Wow the comedic timing of that

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VOTE: MawhrinSkel

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Was I? I suppose way early in the game. Then he was pushing jzhen and jzhen flipped red. Most recently all I said was I was still evaluating him since he's not technically cleared. And I still am.

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Both

flipped scum voted JC. Hong voted both flipped scum. Worth considering atm

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I'd only remotely consider Gamma if Maw flipped town

And that's only because the game is starting to PoE down

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Hey that's a poem

something something brown

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I'm town because the wagon on me was utter ass. Anyone competent could see that even before the TIAM flip

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Maw doesn't have a lot of content but pretty much all of his pushes this game have been on people I'm now relatively certain are town

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Are you forgetting this is nightless? After a massclaim all the masons just instantly die. What's the advantage?

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Woah I just got deja vu

I finished Doki Doki Literature club a few days ago. It's a dating sim, except also a spychological horror game where after a while you'll be having a normal conversation with one of the girls then she just out of the blue says something batshit insane that freaks you out with the abruptness of it

I just got that same feeling with your line of posts on this page followed by your 563

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Anywho, what's your point. Are my reads supposed to be perfect because I'm town?

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I mean, jzh's 67 was like, WTF

But almost so WTF that at the time it was hard to see scum being so brazen on such weak footing. So it gave me vague newbtown vibes

But I knew coloring him green on a pure gut feel that I thought he was newbtown would be irresponsible, so I kept him gray. He was clearly a newb, and newbs are unpredictable at best

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Wait, you don't think Comm is town?

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No offense but defensiveness is not a good reason to scumread someone. That's probably the biggest myth in mafia

You have to evaluate motivations. I wrote that I didn't see the plan he put forth coming from scum!Comm. Didn't strike me as a fake-dumbtell, as people were calling it

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Goddamnit.

I'm thinking Moz has potential but after revisiting his #164 I don't think he will flip scum ever.

Meh, it's fakeable

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If it was utter ass...who was scum on it? Just TIAM with the 5th vote near the end? Or was your wagon town driven? In which case you are absolutely in no way cleared.

It was ass because I'm obvtown

Junko is still a possibility as scum, I suppose

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How was it ass if 4 town were on it

Town don't make shitty pushes?

And who says for sure it was 4 town? JC is still an uncertainty. (I mean, everyone is still an uncertainty in the grand scheme of things...)

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obvtown how?

To the discerning eye

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Your inquiry is strange, perspective-wise

My only real explanation for why I'm town is my role pm says Town

Outside of that I just play the game as I see fit. The fact that you dislike my play is just your own opinion

Like, it would make more sense for you to point out what you want to know so I can explain it

But your continual berating of "DO SOMETHING" and "WHY ARE YOU TOWN" are just pointless noise. I'm town because I'm town, man, you just can't see it

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Because you're saying you're

obv

town. That means there's something that everyone can see that should point to you being town. Tell me if it's anything you posted for starters. jsyk I'm not doing this because I'm trying to corner you, I'm actually curious as to what would make you obvtown.

For starters, because I didn't come into this game to please anyone by simply going through the motions of being town. It was

suuuuper

, super duper ultra mega irrelevant to me that Almost wanted an updated reads list. If I don't have one, I don't have one, and I'm not going to pull one out of my ass because someone tells me to. (And in any case, on the minute chance I actually got lynched it would leave the town with a nice juicy wagon to investigate with probably at least 2 scum on it. So I went, meh.)

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VOTE: havingfitz

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HEM do you know what all three scum had in common

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They were all scumreading JunkoChan

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Fucking Fitz, stop shooting and just take the death

VOTE: Havingfitz

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ggez

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@wave: You were SRing the whole Mason team, so it was really natural for me that you were Scum who put his p's higher on the readlist.

Guess my nose was tuned to the wrong setting