Micro 764: Marked For Death #2 - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi all. chesskid.
VOTE: Mathdino
Page one scumread, let's see if I'm right.

V/LA from the 21st to the 25th, going out of town for Christmas

[Gamma Emerald]

Long post within spoiler.

Spoiler:

Hi all. chesskid.
VOTE: Mathdino
Page one scumread, let's see if I'm right.

V/LA from the 21st to the 25th, going out of town for Christmas

Do I know u

No but I know you, and I'm wary of you.

I thought Gamma went like this -

Gamma looked around and smiled for everyone to see. "Hey everyone!" He went, but then he noticed chesskid in the audience. His face went blank.

"Chesskid." He says, with a bit of distain in his voice.

Correct.

VOTE: JaydragonKing
I really don't like post #9. Would a town player commit this idiocy?

tfw there's an obvious joke post but a challenger approaches

Nothing wrong with it; just no reason to randomly post a post that shows a children's movie character swearing. Disorienting, I don't think it was funny, and it certainly distracted us. That might have been what she wanted to do to distract us and get the attention off of her.

This feels like excessive postulation. tl;dr making a mountain out of a molehill.

Fair enough. Am I the only one that does not want our nation's children to have eight-word vocabularies?
Unless you are teenagers yourself, which in that case...

hm, taking the moral high ground. Interesting.
----
so yeah TGP isn't looking too good right now.

NSG is town. I buy the reaction test gambit.

@Elsa

: I agree with Lynch All Liars except in the specific case of reaction test. The "hammer" on me and "I'm a double voter, were you scum?" is a cheeky move trying to get me to think I was lynched and, if I were scum, to claim scum. I buy it.

NSG is town and if you have votes on her, get them off.

I'm undecided but leaning town on Golden Paradox:

VOTE: JaydragonKing
I really don't like post #9. Would a town player commit this idiocy?

This is a dumb post, as is the intent to hammer joke. Would a scum player commit this idiocy? I tentatively think not.

Not Mafia jumping on both my scumbait Jay wagon AND putting me at L-1 during RVS with no explanation is very bad and deserves some explaining.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Reads list in descending towniness:

NSG

: See above.

Jaydragonking

: More of a gut read, but trust me when I say that their page 1 play is literally every game with them. This feels like the same old Jay with a town flavour.
Gamma Emerald: Seemingly earnest vote on me, seemingly earnest about scumhunting.
chesskid: Nothing one way or the other really.
Shawn: Hasn't posted yet.

Not_Mafia

: See above.

1: that's normal Not_Mafia, I believe I have a tell but last time I used it I might have been wrong? Depends which game it was in.
2: I don't feel like Golden is as towny as you do. I feel like he's trying to defend himself with shoddy arguments.

Jay and Golden is super TvT. Please don't clog up the thread with unrelated stuff.

No, and what are you calling "unrelated"?

Guys, we have things to look at and read into. Continued off topic stuff is anti town. I have a hunch we'll end up having people replace into this game eventually.

Gamma:

I think I have a pretty clear idea but just to make sure, could you elaborate on the page 1 scumread?

I felt that the statement of serious vote was a little off-putting. I still feel a smidge of suspicion on you for other reasons but I think TGP is more sketchy.

Responding to my section of Mathdino's questionnaire.

Everyone's vote that wasn't Paradox's vote on me was a joke, so I'm fine. My vote on Paradox is a counter vote and is subject to being moved, but since I don't suspect anybody (yet) I'm just joking around while looking for clues.

Jay and Elsa are one, yet not one. Make with that what you will.

So like you have two identities, mkay.

PEdit: @chesskid why pages 2 and 3, and why the shitposters?

[Gamma Emerald]

Says the guy who voted us earlier for saying "have fun".

Is this directed towards me, chesskid, or someone else?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright. Also nice to see you like D&D.

[Gamma Emerald]

What makes you say your the best? Past game history, faith in your playstyle, what? Also my wariness stems from me not having the best faith in your social skills, by which I mean I think you might be a bit of a jerk.
As for the "Hi I'm here" thing yeah that makes sense but let's not overlook TGP please.
BTW VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. chesskid, I will say that you might have some competition from me because I sometimes have potato scumteam guesses that turn out to be right. And since you say you're not overlooking things, what do you think about TGP?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mathdino re: Not_Mafia, The reason I say Not_Mafia isn't as scummy as you believe is because he's a bit of a loose cannon. Putting people to L-1 or LOLhammering is kinda a thing he does. While he should still be held accountable for any problems his play causes the L-1 is not conclusive evidence that he's mafia.
Also hey Shawn! I'm a fan of your work!

[Gamma Emerald]

My tiers of mafia to not mafia, from top to bottom and left to right towniest to scummiest so far;

Town: Mathdino (Responded well to L-1) , north(note she's mostly here because her avatar is cute, otherwise she's null)
Leaning Town: None
Null: Not_Mafia (not enough posts to determine), Gamma(same as not-mafia), Jay/Elsa alternate personality roleplay thingy (Mostly joke posts, so not enough info), Shawn(not enough posts to determine)
Leaning Scum: Chesskid (see previous post)

Gonna repost my tiers after rereading
Town: Mathdino (Responded well to L-1 and gambit)
Leaning Town: north(Good gambit, even though it was obviously a joke), Jay/Elsa alternate personality roleplay thingy (I like your joking around, and I feel that your posts do add content to the game and help town),
Null: Shawn(not enough posts to determine) Gamma(I feel he's a little too defensive of notmafia, even though the justification is pretty valid)
Leaning Scum: Not_Mafia (Putting mathdino at L-1 when there are a lot of newbies that might have hammered), Chesskid (see post #112)

This has me significantly dumbfounded. What's the deal with 2 different lists, with not much between them?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a paradox

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine is real, though thanks for explaining the confusion.

[Gamma Emerald]

That would be cool jay..

I have a good vibe about Golden nsg.

VOTE: notmafia

My vote is better here

Honestly, I'd like to know whether you are a clairvoyant in real life.
What are your reads, not talking about vibes?

This kinda feels like flattery

[Gamma Emerald]

Reminding everyone that Elsa is best princess. Thank you.

I'm also wondering how sad me and NotMaf will be if Golden gets lynched. He's the best guy to joke about, especially considering his responses.

But onto more important matters...

NSG and NotMaf, your now officially my top two scum targets.

Really, what about this?

Mine vote is just there as a placeholder until in finds a better home.

And ISO reading NotMaf's stuff, I realize he actually hasn't contributed much besides being funny and making puns, along with casually stating he's town.

I mean, you get the same thing from me, but I switch between joking and serious. I'd like to see NotMaf's serious side.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well why not pick one for now?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think he's in the room yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm, maybe I can see if NM is going through the motions here? That's how I try to read him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see some NM interactions with as distancing. Specifically "you're own your own on this one mate".

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing wrong with it; just no reason to randomly post a post that shows a children's movie character swearing. Disorienting, I don't think it was funny, and it certainly distracted us. That might have been what she wanted to do to distract us and get the attention off of her.

You're on your own on this one mate

Really?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not_Mafia gottem

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a sense of humor too. On the hammer I'm good, but I suggest we let everyone state their piece first

[Gamma Emerald]

Remember the kill isn't standard this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Schism, are you an alt cuz you sound familiar.

[Gamma Emerald]

Checking out, won't be here for five days or so

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Jay, I see you both online lol

@Gamma:

We just need you to confirm that you're not marked.

Yeah I'm just on for like, an hour. I'm not marked.
I'm finding Schism very suspicious because they seem to have a very prominent agenda.
My theory for why NM was marked is that he isn't very credible, which makes sense as he had no reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll get back to you after I study professional Pokemon battling, But I don't think this situation would ever happen because:

1: Milank is PU while Mega Gengar is Ubers
2: Mega Gengar outspeeds miltank
3: It's a goddamn Mega Gengar

1: PU is still viable
2: True
3:what's that supposed to mean

fyi I frequent Pokémon Showdown, I know these things

[Gamma Emerald]

You can make yourself hidden btw, its not hard.

Im not sure how my “agenda” is any more suspicious than MathDino’s agenda to see me lynched or Shawn’s agenda to get NSG lynched.

P-Edit: I did, shawn is mafia, so is JayElsa. If Im wrong, Gamma. You Me and NSG arent making that kill. I dont see it.

Don't care for secrecy tbh, thought of it for this visit but forgot
Your agenda is much louder

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok Mathdino is the only person that I have a hard(on) town read for.

I will not be joining the Not_Mafia wagon because this is N_M we are talking about, this is how he posts. I'm not counting putting someone at L-1 in Lylo twice as a scumread because of N_M and the fact that barely anything of note is in pages 1-4.

Paradox rubs me the wrong way, opposite feeling of how i feel for Dino. JayElsa is Suspect Number two for me because theres ALOT of fluff involved that seemingly looks like its town, but im not buying in on it yet. Paradox is a better wagon, but JayElsa is voting him, making me want to vote Jay over Elsa. I'll need to do more research on that.

@Dino

Im assuming you have Played a game with N_M? This is his playstyle and I agree its annoying, but PL is not in the books for today and I would rather lynch scum in Jay/Para. Since you read Jay as town, any way I can convince you to move on to Golden. Hes mafia acting like hes town. I dont like his posting and I know you dont either. Other than Association with N_M, I dont think JayElsa is a townread for the same reasons. There isn't much in the ISO and fluff is scummy past the first few pages.

... Going under the assumption that NotMaf isn't just trolling us all again, let's assume nobody's marked.

That means Mafia decided it was too risky to mark ANYONE, and just wants it to be a lynch only game, atleast for now.

What does that change?

I believe this defies the setup's design

[Gamma Emerald]

ignore the first quote

[Gamma Emerald]

Schism might I ask what supports these teams? I see a lot of theories but not much support.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm, Dino, do you think your test has gotten something to read Schism? post 367 seems to indicate this to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Schism might I ask what supports these teams? I see a lot of theories but not much support.

pls answer

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm, Dino, do you think your test has gotten something to read Schism? post 367 seems to indicate this to me.

You tell me what you think. I'm going into Innocent Child mode for now.

Peace.

I think you think he town based on mafia knowing he's lying, but I'm personally thinking it would mean he's wanting NM discredited since he knows it's not true. His plan would be real mark claims -> NM is discredited -> NM is lynched. So NM would be town and Schism would be scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I lynched Paradox and now that Dino is claiming marked, Im just waiting for this now.

In fact, Shawn is off the table today since I dont think I can persudade him, but the other member of the scumteam also wanted to mark Dino as well.

VOTE: JayDragonKing

P-Edit: Gamma, Ive already told you why i believe who the scumteam is.

Maybe your main theory but what about all these side theories?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lel

NSG is town, he was the first to really float the idea I was lying, scum doesn’t want to risk people reacting negatively to it, scum would bandwagon it if it gained steam

Interesting. Wouldn't mafia know it was a lie and the truth was coming?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes but they’d still be thrown off guard, the safest thing for them to do is sit back for a cc and/or get a sense of the town consensus

Alright.

[Gamma Emerald]

1 When you asked if the marked player had been notified, it was on a whim
2 Done what exactly?
3 Probably, I don't remember a specific instance
4 Scum is probably Gamma + Schism/Shawn

About 4, what indicates each?

[Gamma Emerald]

PoE, don't think Schism and Shawn are scum together

Thanks
btwi'm gonna have to reply to posts one by one

[Gamma Emerald]

Point one: My will to live/survive till the end. This is something you bring up as horrible, but as a general rule of thumb, I just like to live the same way NotMaf likes to troll. That's what I do.

Only mafia needs to survive. Their will to survive is stronger than a townies and there are benefits to a townie's death, ie NKA, VCA, interactions with others now that you are confirmed, ect. Saying you wish to not be marked is something mafia does to look townie and I'm not a fan.

Point two: Not really giving my reads on Shawn because, like you said, he has very little to work with, the least of everyone here in fact. Your point of him being possible scum is accurate, but considering Your also advocating for my death, that means I don't really trust you.

Who is my scumbuddy?

Point Three: I am not going for anything close to a NotMaf lynch today, mainly because of you. Your trying to get a mislynch on me, and I won't have that because not only would I die, but I'm a townie. And if you hang me today, your hanging NotMaf tommorow and giving scum the win rather easily.

You're*

I mentioned the first part above. As for mislynching NotMaf, are you saying hes town and that most likely Shawn is my scumbuddy? Because:

So we're all going to just ignore that NotMaf went two whole days claiming Marked as a troll move again. I swear if he's the fricken scum...

This isn't a townread of him.

Point Four: I was trying to be reasonable (Jay), but then you call me out for Pussyfooting. I respond too you and you call it scummy. Including you specifically asking what I would do as mafia, you ask incriminating questions that paint me in a bad light no matter what I did too answer. That's not playing with a town mindset.

I already addressed this in 418 and have nothing more to say. I stated my case. Lets see you build one on me that doesn't involve me pushing a mislynch.

point one, town may want to survive

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, Gamma will be here tomorrow, probably, so we have until then. But that doesn't really excuse Shawn for his absence.

drive home took two days

[Gamma Emerald]

Shamelessly tunneled/pushed TGP to everyone while townreading NM, then jumped over to the NM wagon when he felt he caught NM in a lie. Didn't switch back. Was completely site-inactive during the lynch and entire nightphase.

I mean I remember them both posting in the alt activation thread.

not cleared off of night inactivity since a partner could have marked

[Gamma Emerald]

am i voting there, by the way?
VOTE: gamma

can you explain why my play each game should be similar?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shawn is more scummy. While you may have a point with activity differences, I'm going to place that on V/LA more than meta imo.

Would you compromise JayElsa or even Shawn?

I don't think Shawn and Gamma are the scumteam, whos the partner?

but what explains the activity difference between the two threads on the same days? elsa and shawn are both part of my lynchpool but i'd really rather lynch gamma today – an elsa or shawn townflip doesn't really tell me anything and then tomorrow it's lylo (i think?), but a gamma townflip would tell me that i'm definitely off on my reads and i need to reconsider.

why don't you think shawn and gamma could be teamed?

if this is your issue I have an answer: lower post volume plus me being under fire that game

[Gamma Emerald]

Shawn's reaction is the worst

see why, should put him through analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

Shawn is more scummy. While you may have a point with activity differences, I'm going to place that on V/LA more than meta imo.

Would you compromise JayElsa or even Shawn?

I don't think Shawn and Gamma are the scumteam, whos the partner?

but what explains the activity difference between the two threads on the same days? elsa and shawn are both part of my lynchpool but i'd really rather lynch gamma today – an elsa or shawn townflip doesn't really tell me anything and then tomorrow it's lylo (i think?), but a gamma townflip would tell me that i'm definitely off on my reads and i need to reconsider.

why don't you think shawn and gamma could be teamed?

Id find it ironic that borh lurkers are sitting back watching chaos unfold. I also find it highly unlikely. #GamblersFallacy?

In regards to differences in posting, Id argue that Gamma had more to work with in that game on page 12 than this game which was low on content and had a replace-out. Its a better question for him to answer rather than me speculate. Hopefully he can get on here soon and do something. Talk to me after he gets on.

In Regards to Dino: wtf, you never claimed marked until #377 and i didnt expect you to lie/reactiontest throughout the day. 374 also mentions that Mafia did us a favor by marking the troll. I still dont expect a No-Mark, despite NSG saying it could work.

you were halfway there
also Im feeling you may have Jay read right since I don't see a good case on you from him

[Gamma Emerald]

@NSG: Dino brought it up, and Im sure I mentioned it before, but Gamma’s read on me for being “loud” is shitty, btw

this post feels dirty, like he is giving someone who suspects me ammunition, even though it on its own is poor reason to suspect me

[Gamma Emerald]

I can agree with that. Hopefully this one isn't like the last replacement.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I see you trying to devalue Schism's case with accusations of pushing a mislynch. I see him pushing two people who I can see some reason to suspect.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know it's a mislynch on me because my alignment is town. If a town member is lynched with fabricated evidence that says they are scum, that is a mislynch.

I also see that since Shawn is barely here Schism continuously goes for me.

you being a mislynch is circumstantialevidence though

[Gamma Emerald]

but you have to give a better reason than "he wants to lynch me and I'm town" for Schism being mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

im still reading, im on page 4

why the unvote though?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Shawn Spencer
Was hoverin over voting you but my suspicions of Shawn are less nebulous

[Gamma Emerald]

Noting that Shawn very rarely explains his reads

[Gamma Emerald]

after i read page 15 i knew gamma was scum thanks to my third eye

You might wanna get that Third Eye checked out. You been having any psychopathic tendencies recently?

[Gamma Emerald]

On a more serious note Shawn still has only explained his reads once iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I'm the one on the hook NM

[Gamma Emerald]

Mhm, interesting push my friend.

[Gamma Emerald]

LMFuckingAO
I'll see you guys tomorrow, and I want Jay to meet me on Showdown in the meantime.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm NitroNerd fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

Official Vote Count

Shawn Spencer

(lynch): Gamma Emerald, Schism, JaydragonKing, Not_Mafia

Gamma Emerald

(1): northsidegal

Not Voting

(2): Shawn Spencer, Mathdino

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

given the flips and the fact that i know that i'm town, both scum were on the shawn wagon. here's where i'm at:

{not mafia}
{schism, elsa}
{gamma}

i need to review day to to really see how the shawn counterwagon formed in response to gamma and who was pushing it the most to try to figure out who gamma's partner is, but gamma is almost certainly scum here.

Mmm that's tasty bro. I will state that I started a wagon, which mafia aren't keen to do.

schism, i need to know where you're at in terms of reads. same goes for gamma and elsa, in your next posts.

Cool. It looks like:
NM (telling the truth today)
Schism
NSG
NM (lying today)
Jay
And whoev er can guess why Jay is at the bottom gets a virtual cookie.

I have no issue with Gamma, I think I know who he plans on voting.

Im assuring that JayElsa doesnt lurk and fluff today like he did during D2.

Im afraid he may do that if Gamma and I provide our reads.

At this point I can't see us hanging North at all, because she has helped where she could and even if I think "suspiciously helpful" it won't matter because everyone else is a better Lynch.

NotMaf claims marked again, and if he is, mafia did it because they knew we wouldn't believe him. I'm seeing if Gamma claims marked to go more into it, but Dino's fear for having him in LyLo came true.

Schism's been on opposite's with me the entire time, really, considering I've been on all his scumread teams, and my reads of him as scum. At this point though, I honestly think we're the two non-marked townies duking it out while the mafia murdered everyone around us.

Gamma... He hasn't been contributing at all, really. He restates things, he banters when asked, but it's not really enough to be town in my eyes, especially when compared to Schism and North.

Bottom line: We should hang Gamma today, and if NotMaf lied about being marked again, we hang him tommorow, no questions asked. If he's marked and dies, however... That leaves me, North, and Schism. And that is going to be a fucking nightmare for me to decide between.

Not marked. And as for what you're saying about me I refer you back to what I said to NSG: I started a wagn by myself which is atypical mafia behavior.

*I'm disregarding any Marked Claims/CCs for these reads. I know NM claimed marked again, but that will be mentioned later on*

First things first, I think JayElsa is my strongest townread, and even then its not that strong.

Jayscum would not vote shawn, because jay would have to believe at the time, that I would death tunnel him and put blame on Jay for the mislynch of Shawn. Jay's interactions with me and his posting from D1 and D2 make me believe that Jayscum would have marked me because I don't think Jay could 1v1 me in Lylo. Jay also hasn't put blame on me for leading 2 mislynches, which I would feel that Jayscum would have done by now, so I'm fairly sure he is green. There is something that potentially bothers me about Jay that keeps me from saying he is certainly town., but we will get to that in a bit.

I think scenario A (The Best and easiest one FMPOV) is that NSG + Gamma may be the scumteam.

Remember one of the only relevant things Dino said yesterday? That JayElsa and I could be the scumteam bussing for a distraction? I rebuttled his comments twice saying that it doesn't make sense for me to vote and case Jay in both days. I find it too aggressive to be SvS, however, a quick ISO through Gamma's posts have distancing. Gamma has only mentioned NSG once. In #486 and #487, where he asks NSG about Gameplay. Gamma said during D2 that I was scum because of how vocal I was during D1, saying I had an "agenda," which still is something that I still don't get. Another quick search through Gamma's ISO makes me really wonder why Gamma voted Shawn over me. There isn't much reason from what he posted of why he found Shawn to be scummy. In #511, he says Im scummy but has more suspicions of Shawn. JayElsa was still voting me, but could have honestly been easier to just vote me since Gamma posted a reason why I was scum, there isn't anything in the ISO that says why Shawn was mafia to Gamma. NSG is the tough nut to crack as mafia, because she has been seemingly townie compared to JayElsa if we look at D2 activity. I have to admit that this goes to a majority of PoE with Jay because of what I said above, but it is possible NSG thought that Shawn was going to get lynched due to Shawn's activity and the fact that JayElsa could not vote Gamma without raising suspicion (Remember that JayElsa said that besides me, Shawn was his second best guess at mafia). Staying off the wagon of someone NSG would know as town would be a good play.

Scenario B (The toughest one to figure out) is that NM may be Mafia. Meaning anyone could his partner.

If NM is mafia, everyone here is suspicious. I redirected a scum wagon for a Mislynch D1, which JayElsa and NSG were both on. Im pretty sure we were all in agreement yesterday that NM was a troll based on NKA. Now that Dino was confirmed marked, it seems odd that NSG townreads NM despite saying hes marked in LYLO, and Jay conciendently put NM as the next best lynch after Gamma. In general, I find it odd that we put NM on the backburner to start the day in LYLO. Its something that needed to be said.

TL;DR:

NM or Gamma today is optimal, NSG if we are feeling Bold, and JayElsa last.

In regards to why I don't completely read JayElsa as town:

I don't know if I have explained this clearly enough:

Bottom line: We should hang Gamma today, and if NotMaf lied about being marked again, we hang him tommorow, no questions asked.

If he's marked and dies, however... That leaves me, North, and Schism. And that is going to be a fucking nightmare for me to decide between.

Why tomorrow? His lie should be treated as a scumclaim no? This part of his reads makes me scratch my head for all the wrong reasons. I don't find it damning, but its there and Its stopping me from being sold on JayTown.

Responding to each paragraph:
I feel you're not looking at the important things here. Yeah he voted in a strange place but if you actually look at why you'll understand the underlying problem with Jay's vote on Shawn, which was its intent was to make me look bad. Part of the reason why NM is next to bottom on my list is his aid in Jay's plan. The whole situation reeks of trying to create a new target.
About me and NSG: lmao I think it's more likely for me to try to interact with my buddies than not. I believe in active distancing rather than passive distancing. I can describe this if you ask.
About NM being with possibly anyone: seriously can you think of nothing to tie me to NM? Kinda speaks for itself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoops meant to reply to 613
Yeah you can predict where I'm gonna "vote", but this is lylo so I'm not voting yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact you tried to paint a target on me by saying my not unvoting was scummy. I felt the wagon was alright, plus I didn't think NM would do what he did, 'specially after the first one.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no arguement with that thought process. Its not wrong, but I do think we cant just let NM run around today like he was D1 and D2.

That reminds me...

@NM:

Am I scum with Gamma?

I guess

K. (I was expecting him to say "Maybe, maybe not")

Mmm that's tasty bro. I will state that I started a wagon, which mafia aren't keen to do.

Are you talking about Paradox or Shawn? Because if its the former, its debatable, the latter is not.

Shawn.

Cool. It looks like:

NM (telling the truth today)

Schism
NSG

NM (lying today)

Jay
And whoever can guess why Jay is at the bottom gets a virtual cookie.

There's a problem with NM claiming marked and a CC that I would suggest you make a decision on if you think he is being truthful, lying, or trolling.

In regards to whatever Gamma is talking about with JayElsa:

I don't get it. Gamma's 574 mentions it D2, and his post above says that Jay is mafia because "JayElsa painted a target on Gamma." Me thinks he is talking about JayElsa 568, where JayElsa says "I can't hammer Gamma because Dino unvoted," which would make no sense to me. Am I missing something, Gamma? Remember that JayElsa Mafia could not risk voting Shawn because Jay would get tunneled by me today for moving votes.

I believe NM is telling the truth right now.
As for why Jay would vote Shawn, it's because he figured he could mobilize a push on me before anyone got clued in.

I feel you're not looking at the important things here. Yeah he voted in a strange place but if you actually look at why you'll understand the underlying problem with Jay's vote on Shawn, which was its intent was to make me look bad. Part of the reason why NM is next to bottom on my list is his aid in Jay's plan. The whole situation reeks of trying to create a new target.

.... I don't see it. NM quickhammered again; I don't know how it paints you as bad. Its not like people townread Shawn.

But Jay is using th situation to make me look bad.

About me and NSG: lmao I think it's more likely for me to try to interact with my buddies than not. I believe in active distancing rather than passive distancing. I can describe this if you ask.

Active Distancing? Kinda like:

Mmm that's tasty bro.

That active Distancing?

Not really. I mean stuff like bussing. If I distance I do it like I mean it.

About NM being with possibly anyone: seriously can you think of nothing to tie me to NM? Kinda speaks for itself.

Its there, its just not as noticable as the rest of us. Apparently NM is trying to paint a target on you by lynching Shawn so idk.

That's Jay who's doing that but NM might be an accomplice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Technically Gamma could have unvoted to stop this all if they really wanted too.

He may be referring this as me trying to paint a target on him, but I honestly did make the observation because he was there and watched me, Dino, and NotMaf discuss me voting Shawn. He posted 2 minutes before I voted so I knew he had read where the conversation was going and COULD have unvoted, but he did let it happen.

Mhm, interesting push my friend.

His post here right after I made that comment also showed that he understood what me and NotMaf did. He took it as a challenge, perhaps one to refocus group efforts as me and/or NotMaf as scum?

Okay, but the following post of yours where you also accuse Schism is additional indication of your intent imo.

And re: what Schism said about me unvotiing, I don't think there was any counterwagon to Shawn, but if I were to vote someone else that day it would have been between Schism and Jay. Although I can see where the issue might lie with that logic.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Schism

Yeah, Gamma. What about the team? We all should have made a consensus before you did your Lynch.

Schism too.

Y'all guilty as hell.

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I will go to Showdown soon. I'm "Elsa Jay" over there. Come at me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hold up one second

[Gamma Emerald]

NSG you never gave a direct denial that you were marked. So are you not marked or what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know who won but town definitely lost. gg maf

[Gamma Emerald]

My guess is Schism+NM

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone stop twilight trolling and just tell me that i lost already so i can start being bitter?

agreeing with nm + schism as scum.

I'm not bitter tbh, I saw issues coming I just didn't expect it to be this soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm not actually bitter about this game, nor do i think anyone deserves sole blame for the outcome. it's just something to learn from and look back on, for future games.

Am curious why you didn't counterclaim marked

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that's fair but I probably would have played more direct

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a mini theme I put into sign-ups, no pre-/ins available but I'd love to have you guys

[Gamma Emerald]

Well if anyone is interested feel free to join when it's open