Micro 761: A Completely Normal Game - Game Over

[UC Voyager]

FIRST

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: UC Voyager

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:
OMGUS
VOTE: UC Voyager

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Wilky


FREEEEEDOM!

UNVOTE:
Are you wolf?

[UC Voyager]

Im town!

Ok.

Town
UCV
Toto
Whymafia

Scum
Screenplay
Sheep

[UC Voyager]

So we should try to leave RVS as soon as everyone has posted

I cannot explain how much more gets done when RVS is short.

Like, I got out of a game yesterday where we left RVS fast. Me and the other townies won day two.
Ironic enough, Lucky was in that game and they were scum.

[UC Voyager]

So we should try to leave RVS as soon as everyone has posted

I cannot explain how much more gets done when RVS is short.

Like, I got out of a game yesterday where we left RVS fast. Me and the other townies won day two.
Ironic enough, Lucky was in that game and they were scum.

Not yesterday. Recently

[UC Voyager]

So you two a team team together?

Uc’s list is forced bullshit.
I encourage them to try to explain it.

What list. If your referring to 17, that is RVS


I'm assuming that you find my desire to leave RVS to be forced.

With that said, how come you are taking my reads list seriously when it is mostly a obvious RVS joke?

[UC Voyager]

Putting a list up and saying let’s move on does not seem like a joke.

I understand this .
Ok
Do you think that leaving RVS helps town or scum more?

[UC Voyager]

Scum.
I like RVS.
It’s sets up tone reads. It’s a time when people more freely and naturally communicate.

I disagree.

the scum benefit from RVS
The more time we stay in RVS, the less we can actually scum hunt and town hunt. Scum will obvious benefit because it will be easier to get town to lynch when there is less time. i also don't understand what you mean by "naturally communicate". do you mean people can joke around and not do anything that will help progress the game and find the scum. How does that help town?

[UC Voyager]

Holy crap I like this new UCV

all you have seen of me is the Scum!UCV lol

[UC Voyager]

Holy crap I like this new UCV

all you have seen of me is the Scum!UCV lol

or have we been in other games and im just dumb?

[UC Voyager]

Ive read some of your games

ok. that makes since.

[UC Voyager]

also don't understand what you mean by "naturally communicate". do you mean people can joke around and not do anything that will help progress the game and find the scum. How does that help town?

People talk more freely. It helps me with tone reading. If I can see how you talk carefree I can feel if there is difference later.
It’s a good place to feel people out. See who is naturally speaking and who is being super conscious of their words.

Im not to good with reading tone, so enlighten me. How is my tone? Toto's? Sheep?

[UC Voyager]

also don't understand what you mean by "naturally communicate". do you mean people can joke around and not do anything that will help progress the game and find the scum. How does that help town?

People talk more freely. It helps me with tone reading. If I can see how you talk carefree I can feel if there is difference later.
It’s a good place to feel people out. See who is naturally speaking and who is being super conscious of their words.

How does tone change when you leave RVS?

[UC Voyager]

22 and 25
seem forced to me

Ok.
So you said that screenplay had a point, but then follow up with a vote.

[UC Voyager]

22 and 25
seem forced to me

I don't think that is enough for a scum read. It is a start, but still. It is only 2 posts

[UC Voyager]

I honestly think Screenplay.

He is definitely trying to do stuff that will help the town. WhyMafia's case on him is very vague and bad. Im not sure if I think whymafia is scum because of it. i wan't to see what they will follow up with.

[UC Voyager]

I honestly think Screenplay.

What does this mean?

i meant to put a "is town" at the end

22 and 25
seem forced to me

Ok.
So you said that screenplay had a point, but then follow up with a vote.

That's a mis-rep
You guys are arguing theory. Nothing as

He is definitely trying to do stuff that will help the town.

That's not helping town at all lol

sure. He said that RVS can help late game which can be true. RVS can have an effect o late game.

WhyMafia's case on him is very vague and bad.

Im not sure if I think whymafia is scum because of it.

UCV what makes it vague? How is it bad? Even then, why would I be scum for it?

You shouldn't. This is to early to be making huge serious scum reads like that. right now, we should e sorting and not trying to make bland scum reads. They were vague because they only mentioned 2 posts and didn't even describe how they were forced.

[UC Voyager]

His list was of all the people who have posted at that time.
So it did not seems as an obvious joke to me. To me it seemed like bullshit. Acting like he has sorted everyone who has posted as of that post.
I gave a legit reason to vote and waited for a response.

Screenplay it's page 1
You're better than that
How we he be able to have a read before I even got my role PM???

I would never share my secret.

[UC Voyager]

very suspicious of this Toto fellow

We can get answers and figure him out tomorrow.

2 quesions

1. Why tomorrow?
2. tomorrow as in IRL or day 2?

very suspicious of this Toto fellow

may i ask why?

He is doing the things we recommended here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74136

Like maybe he is doing that on purpose to fool me but I feel it's coming across naturally.

yes. i have been trying to use the advice here to make my play better.
one thing to note is at the time of making that thread, I didn't know i was going to be in a game with you. hell, i didn't know if you would even see it.

[UC Voyager]

if I wanted lynchbait i'd go for UC

Why would you go for me?

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: KOP
poke.

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

[UC Voyager]

I'm not getting how someone can be "null-town" but no means near a town lean?

Please explain this. I do not understand

UCV is town. I've played with him as scum before and he is way different here.

meta changes

QFT

VOTE: wilky

????

[UC Voyager]

I'm not getting how someone can be "null-town" but no means near a town lean?

Please explain this. I do not understand

Well he says he has a null-town read so surely that means he's not too far off a town read but then he says in the exact same post that he's by no means near a town read. I just see a bit of contradition in the post.

This is a totally incorrect interpretation of a null town read


Null town means your leaning at them being town. this can be anywhere in 60%-80% of a town read.

[UC Voyager]

UCV can I get a reads list from you?

meh

Town

UCV

Town Lean

ScreenPlay

Null

Toto, Whymafia, brig

no scum reads yet

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Toto die scum

can you explain this. because here is what I see


1.OMGUS
2. very bland name calling with no reasoning
3. A push that makes no since

[UC Voyager]

Oh and thanks UC
Is Screen a town read bc you think he was advancing the town win condition?

I see more town motive than scum motive behind his posts

[UC Voyager]

I honestly can't understand what is happening, but my gut feeling say it is either Toto/???? or screen/brig

[UC Voyager]

That, or playing in a way that is impossible to read because it seems like a joke, but it is past RVS

[UC Voyager]

scum love RVS, and surely would love RVS to go on a lot longer because it favours them a lot more, than it does town

what year are you playing? Site meta shifted away from this ages ago. in fact scum are intentionally trying to end rvs to gain town cred, which is exactly what uc did.

hmmmmm. despite the fact I said that i was doing it because in another game where the town WON, we left RVS early which helped me and the vig find one scum, and then the second scum was almost obvious day two.

There was no attempt to earn town credit. I have started to do this in games a lot. I try to end RVS. just to get myself a head start on scum hunting and town hunting


tell me, Why does it look more like me trying to earn town credit then me trying to get out of RVS early to help me town and scum hunt

[UC Voyager]

Whats funny, In my 16 games on mafia scum and my several games on MU, i have never seen scum try to leave RVS for town credit.

What are thes other reasons?

[UC Voyager]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73567
HERE. town tried to leave RVS early. Scum played no part in trying to end RVS.
Town also won.

What intrigues me even more is that you say that YOU DO NOT LIKE RVS. yet here you are trying to say im bad for wanting to end it.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73962
Here. I played a huge part in leaving RVS. we won day two
Sure scum went along with leaving RVS early, but it wasn’t like they were going for town credit. They were doing it, so they did not get scum read. The setup made leaving RVS even more good for town, so everyone had to go along.

[UC Voyager]

What are thes other reasons?

Self voting and lying.

I don’t like rvs voting, but since I’ve caught scum in rvs before I see no need to end it prematurely. Like I said, it should end when it ends. It should end naturally by wagoning somebody. When you say “ok let’s end rvs” now that doesn’t really do anything.

could you point out this lying?

the self vote was RVS and it was not the first time i had done that before.

[UC Voyager]

Ok, posting that UC seems to me like you were looking for ways to get town credit.

could you make this. . .understandable c

[UC Voyager]

I'm pretty sure UC has said that shit about RVS before in some of his town games

Inb4 Brig tells me I'm pocketing UC.

Whelp. I had a bad feeling you were pocketing me.
VOTE: Toto
Though I do not want someone to hammer this just yet.
We should definitely wait to see what Toto follows up with

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: toto

With 9 days left, we hammer only a few pages in

[UC Voyager]

?

[UC Voyager]

what do you mean ScreenPlay?

[UC Voyager]

It looks like all of you so far are scum.
Except Wilky.
Only null scum on Toto.
So
VOTE: UC

Ok. scum reads everyone except Toto. I see no reason to only null scum read.

Scum.
I like RVS.
It’s sets up tone reads. It’s a time when people more freely and naturally communicate.

Ok. RVS is a scum's best friend. Here, screenplay tries to make up some town intention in staying in RVS.

Ive read some of your games

Do not read mine. You will be disappointed.

I know that Toto is scum, but this shows he has something to hide.

22 and 25
seem forced to me

Saying this is forced is forced. I mean what’s forced about 25?

VOTE: Why

VOTE: why

He votes WhyMafia and Toto instantly sheeps with a naked vote.

very suspicious of this Toto fellow

We can get answers and figure him out tomorrow.

says we should try to sort Toto tomorrow. Toto happens to be scum. hmmmmm

Brigadoon, if you are town you need to back the fuck down and reconsider your reads.

VOTE: Screenplay

this is a weird vote because Toto had never shown any form of scum reading screenplay before this. I feel a large possibility of busing

VOTE: toto

Hammers after I say we shouldn't. this loks like busing to me for other reasons to.

Brigadoon tomorrow

OK. talk about trying to guide the next miss lynch.

[UC Voyager]

Vote Count 1.1

Kop -

A Simple Plan -

WhyMafia (L-4) -

Srceenplay

Toto

(L-3) -

sheepsaysmeep

,

Brigadoon

sheepsaysmeep

-

UC Voyager

-

Wilky

-

Brigadoon

(L-3) -

Wilky

,

Toto

Srceenplay

(L-4) -

WhyMafia

Not Voting:

Kop, A Simple Plan

,

UC Voyager

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch!

Deadline in:

(expired on 2017-12-16 12:00:00)

A lot of this is RVS, but lets take some look into it just a little

scum is voting with Wilky against Brig

Vote Count 1.2

Kop -

A Simple Plan -

WhyMafia -

Toto

(L-2) -

Brigadoon, Kop,

Derpy Hooves

Derpy Hooves -

UC Voyager -

Wilky (L-4) -

A Simple Plan

Brigadoon (L-2) -

Wilky, Srceenplay,

Toto

Srceenplay (L-4) -

WhyMafia

Not Voting:

UC Voyager

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch!

Deadline in:

(expired on 2017-12-16 12:00:00)

OK

Scum is voting with Screenplay and wilky against Brig
Town!Derpy is voting with Kop and Brig against the scum
I am not voting for anyone

Vote Count 1.Final

Kop -

A Simple Plan -

WhyMafia -

Toto (LYNCH)

-[/b]

Brigadoon, Kop

,

Derpy Hooves, UC Voyager

,

Srceenplay

Derpy Hooves -

UC Voyager -

Wilky (L-4) -

A Simple Plan

Brigadoon (L-2) -

Wilky,

Toto

Srceenplay (L-4) -

WhyMafia

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch!

[/color]

Toto has been lynched. He was a:

Mafia Goon

Night 1 has begun and ends in: (expired on 2017-12-08 14:00:00)

so
Screenplay votes after voting with Toto for a while after I say we should wait because there was a ton of time left, and it could be good to hear what Toto would follow with

Me, Derpy, Kop, Screenplay, Brig lynch Toto who was scum

Toto and Wilky are voting brig




From that, i would say the scum team is most likely (ScreenPlay, Toto) or (Wilky, Toto).
I would also think that Brig is town.
I don't know how to read you.

[UC Voyager]

UC's case is bad but town IMO

Why do you think he would make a bad case against me? Hmm

no offense to UC, I don't think he'd make a good case even if you were scum

1. what is bad about it

2. why do you think i would not make a good case against Screenplay if he were scum

3. you are really implying he is town there. am I right?

[UC Voyager]

UC is obvstown

I could say the same about you.. lol

[UC Voyager]

Nah. Lets not lynch the most obv town. Lets get the one scum. Screenplay. Possibly wilky.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Brigadoon okay
I already got 1 scum so I did an okay job, the rest is up to town but my advice is don't listen to players who pushed the theory I bussed Toto, they are either dumb and can't see past surface reads or have scummy intentions

Though this is townie

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Screenplay
Because I'm not all ready.

[UC Voyager]

Nah. Lets not lynch the most obv town. Lets get the one scum. Screenplay. Possibly wilky.

Why is Brig obv town? I really can't see it myself. An early claim, distancing and what looks to me like bussing on the already flipped scum and then self voting. It really doesn't look like towny behaviour to me.

He just is . we should be lynching outside of the people on the Lucky2U wagon. Brig was all over Toto. It was obv scum hunting.

[UC Voyager]

Nah. Lets not lynch the most obv town. Lets get the one scum. Screenplay. Possibly wilky.

Why is Brig obv town? I really can't see it myself. An early claim, distancing and what looks to me like bussing on the already flipped scum and then self voting. It really doesn't look like towny behaviour to me.

He just is . we should be lynching outside of the people on the Lucky2U wagon. Brig was all over Toto. It was obv scum hunting.

Assuming by the Lucky2U wagon you actually mean the Toto one, if so that makes your vote on Screenplay BS as he was on it.

I'm sorry. My mind was thinking of another finished game where Lucky2U was scum.

[UC Voyager]

Nah. Lets not lynch the most obv town. Lets get the one scum. Screenplay. Possibly wilky.

Why is Brig obv town? I really can't see it myself. An early claim, distancing and what looks to me like bussing on the already flipped scum and then self voting. It really doesn't look like towny behaviour to me.

He just is . we should be lynching outside of the people on the Lucky2U wagon. Brig was all over Toto. It was obv scum hunting.

Assuming by the Lucky2U wagon you actually mean the Toto one, if so that makes your vote on Screenplay BS as he was on it.

The way he voted was scummy as hell.

[UC Voyager]

I cannot explain my town read on brig. It is mostly gut feeling. He sounds very genuine.

Screenplay didn't . plus there is other reason to scum read him

[UC Voyager]

I cannot explain my town read on brig. It is mostly gut feeling. He sounds very genuine.

Screenplay didn't . plus there is other reason to scum read him

This still doesn't answer the fact on why you completely contradicted yourself within the space of a couple of posts though does it?

OK. He wasn't early to the wagon. He randomly hammered when things were looking hopeless for him

[UC Voyager]

You raise a point. When making that post, I had totally forgotten he was on the wagon.

I still do not think we should lynch brig. I can't see him as scum

[UC Voyager]

I actually want to look into wilky to. Somthing seems a little off. Looking back, in think the screenPlay and me 1v1 could actually be town v town. I don't see why scum would risk something like that when it isn't the final day. I also don't want to conf bias

[UC Voyager]

I will be limited access for the next few days.

I will be able to post easily for the rest of today FOR THE MOST PART.

Tomorrow, my mom is going into the hospital because she is due to give birth to my sister! I will be able to post from time to time, but it will be hard because i will be spending time with family.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Brig
I'm mixed on UC. I'll admit that I cannot read him. I town read Kop's catchup post

OK. BRIG IS TOWN. Im a town PR. Tracker.
I tracked him. he visited no one!

[UC Voyager]

because of interactions. you must admit he seemed to make since as the partner of Toto. the way he gunned for Toto.

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:
I am also liking the idea of a wilky lynch. Though I want to win today, so lets take our time.
I also didn't like asp's post and vote. It seemed slightly opportunistic

[UC Voyager]

I doubt scum are voting together.
I can see scum trying to distance assuming a lynch won’t happen.

So you are thinking that it is either Kop or simple plan

[UC Voyager]

Or why mafia

[UC Voyager]

I think Kop would make a lot of since.

He was on the Toto wagon. He was probably trying to get town credit. Then he gets into the screenplay and myself 1v1, so that tomorrow, he could try to lynch the other.

[UC Voyager]

Wilky is someone we could look into later in the game if we do not win today. Brig, are you really a BP? Or just a VT trying to not get lynched?
If you are a VT, we have another PR out there. If that PR is imformative, I'm screwed. If it is a doctor which would be heavenly, I could live to keep getting results. Tonight I'm going to track wilky.

If they have a strongman, well that sucks.

If there is an informative PR out there other than me, please target wilky.

[UC Voyager]

I also have the fear of a godfather. I hate the fact that this is a closed setup. We cannot trust our results unless they say that someone is scum.

For all I know, Brig is a ninja. I still do not want to try to lynch him because that would be dumb. I have this fear that there is a godfather who will look inno to a cop

[UC Voyager]

Stop

?

[UC Voyager]

It is hard to read the people in our lynch pool.

Simple plan only has like 4 posts

Kop hasn't been very active

Willy has not been that active.

Whymafia has been active but hard to read

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: kop
I agree

[UC Voyager]

I looked at me and screenplays 1v1. There is no way in hell that the scum would risk a 1v1 like that. That would almost gatuntee their lynch tomarrow

[UC Voyager]

ok. this is a little bit of a crazy idea, but what the hell. It is a lot safer.

First: everyone unvotes except for me and brig (who might need replaced)
second: Me and brig should probably unvote as well
third: me and brig both nominate our highest Town read. if we have the same one, then One of will simply change
fourth: only me and brig and the nominated people will vote, but first we will try to figure out who is scum by quesioning the people who are not voting.
fifth: we hammer whoever we think is scum

[UC Voyager]

ok. this is a little bit of a crazy idea, but what the hell. It is a lot safer.

First: everyone unvotes except for me and brig (who might need replaced)
second: Me and brig should probably unvote as well
third: me and brig both nominate our highest Town read. if we have the same one, then One of will simply change
fourth: only me and brig and the nominated people will vote, but first we will try to figure out who is scum by quesioning the people who are not voting.
fifth: we hammer whoever we think is scum

this will reduce the chances of scum influencing the vote

the main issue is that we wont get any information from the vote count tomorrow if we do not hit scum.



I will only try this if 2/3 of us think we should

[UC Voyager]

We need to come to an agreement.
We do not have enough to go off of at this point.

[UC Voyager]

I'm not sure how I feel about a Whymafia lynch

[UC Voyager]

Why are we voting for WhyMafia? Why not ASP?

@Mod can we do something about A Simple Plan, it's hard to get a feel for someone who has only made a few posts.

1. No lucky can't because ASP isn't in prod range


Also
Why do you think we should not consider Whymafia as scum?

[UC Voyager]

hello havingfitz.

just so you know, you are conf town because i tracked you n1, and you visited no one!

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

hello havingfitz.

just so you know, you are conf town because i tracked you n1, and you visited no one!

My slot visited someone N1 -- Discuss.

Trs - Srceen, Wilky, Kop
Tbd pending pr result discussion - UCV
Srs - WhyMafia, ASP

If 1 scum remains I think lynching WM, ASP or UCV in any order still nets a win for town.

well shit. fuck dude.

I was trying to save you from the NK tomorrow. was that not obvious!

you visited me.

[UC Voyager]

Also are you not concerned why they visited you?

no. why would I? there is only one scum, so if they didn't visit derpy hooves, they are town.

[UC Voyager]

Also are you not concerned why they visited you?

no. why would I? there is only one scum, so if they didn't visit derpy hooves, they are town.

assuming there is only 2 scum in this setup

[UC Voyager]

you visited me.

Correct.

Having already claimed bp...I don't see how outing yourelf as tracker keeps me from being nk'd. Especially over you.

But you are a tracker so tr to you.

VOTE: WhyMafia
WhyNot?

Also..I doubt there are 2 scum left. 2 mislynches would be game over.

You were at l-1. I knew you were some kind of PR. I assumed you were most likely something like a cop. Mostly because brig was saying I was obv town. Thinking about it now, that would be hella town sided. I think you shouldn't claim. Lets keep the benofet of the doubt. Scum should not know if it is safe or not to get me. If you are doctor, they'll probably no kill because they couldn't kill me. If your a cop, then we still have an invest role.
If your cop, I'm assuming there is either a godfather or ninja, so guilty results are the only ones we can trust.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Fitz

In that situation there is no reason to guard uc.

If I had to guess you are a mafia role cop or something along those lines.

If he was the scum, I would have seen him killed deeply hooves. . .

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:
Yes. I suppose.

Lol. That moment at the end of the argument when you realized
Moving on, I'm town reading wilky. He seems to have been making quesions and it looks like he is actually trying to find scum.

I would say our lynch pool is

WhyMafia
A simpleplan plan
Kop

[UC Voyager]

I think my town game has improved a little. I still would not have picked whymafia as the second scum.

Where i need to improve is when i have a inno result, I need to do a better jo of protecting them from the lynch without making people suspicious.

[UC Voyager]

Lucky's Golden Carrot award for this game goes to... UC Voyager. Nicely done buddy. You played a great game.

AWESOME! thank you.

[UC Voyager]

what was havingfits's role? i was wondering because i had the feeling he was actually a body guard. just trying to make sure i wasn't NKed

[UC Voyager]

what was havingfits's role? i was wondering because i had the feeling he was actually a body guard. just trying to make sure i wasn't NKed

1 shot bp bodyguard

Basically scum was doomed

ahhhh

at first, i thought Brig was a role cop because he was saying i was obv town. he didn't know i tracked him. that was an amazing result OM y the way

brigadoon visited UC Voyager

[UC Voyager]

I don’t get why you tracked brig. That was probably the worst person since Toto flip =brig town.

i didn't realize that.

i was suspicious of the line "brig says i am pocketing UC." i didn't see where brig said that in the main thread, so i thought that he might have said it in scum thread

[UC Voyager]

Town did good though. Looking off a quick scum wagon is usually good. Though I get the kop suspicion

what made me very suspicious of him was how he got involved in the 1v1 between me and screenplay

i was super conf bias against him at first. Then i thought to myself "Why the fuck would scum risk a 1v1"

[UC Voyager]

Nah. Lets not lynch the most obv town. Lets get the one scum. Screenplay. Possibly wilky.

Why is Brig obv town? I really can't see it myself. An early claim, distancing and what looks to me like bussing on the already flipped scum and then self voting. It really doesn't look like towny behaviour to me.

He just is . we should be lynching outside of the people on the Lucky2U wagon. Brig was all over Toto. It was obv scum hunting.

this is where i predicted town would win day 2

I accidently said lucky2u wagon. lucky2u was scum in another game where they were viged night one. then town won day 2. i was also a town PR in that game. lol

[UC Voyager]

I feel in games with 2 scum they basically lose if There is a day 1 scum lynch. It’s near impossible to recover.

unless they purposely set up the day one scum lynch so the other scum could just make it to the final day

[UC Voyager]

Where is Brigadoon. Why he protect uc

brig site flaked i think