Mini 1968: Bread uPick: The Baker's Dozen: Endgame


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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:49 pm

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Votecount 1.03


drealmerz7L-3Smocaine, McMenno, Whemestar, Fenraiser
WormholeL-6MisaTange
EspeciallyTheLiesL-6Fykus
CreatureL-6drealmerz7
MisaTangeL-6EspeciallyTheLies
Not Voting---Gorkington, CityElectric, Firaja, Creature, Wormhole


With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-28 02:15:00).
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 pm

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Oh man I had a chance to steal page top
Im a dog that quacks
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:51 pm

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Not unvoting Dreal today
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:53 pm

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I know I totally did not goof the votecount so you'd be silly to call me out on it
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:23 am

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Spoiler:
In post 27, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

I'm voting Drealz for this.

I'm taking it that scum!millerclaims are more common than I thought. I still think it's a ballsy move, so I don't think scum will claim it, but that depends on what kind of player creature is.

Is creature prone to making gambits like scum claiming miller D1 or making gambits at all? I'm asking this from
Dreal, Mcmeeno
, and
Wormhole
since I know you guys stated that you've played either a few or more than few games with creature.

@Creature

Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:31 am

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In post 70, Wormhole wrote:OK, and what about the claim makes him town? And why did you vote Dreal right after this post?
I have this tendency of townreading like every miller claim, maybe so does he.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 77, WhemeStar wrote:Not unvoting Dreal today
@WhemeStar

Wynaut? It's very early in the day and you're saying this, so I hope you're not actually gonna pull through with it after more people start posting and we get more info. What about Drealz seems to be automatic scum (It seems this is what you're implying because of that statement you made)?
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:34 am

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In post 73, Wormhole wrote:The miller claim is null to me as it's easily something I can see being planned in the mafia thread.
If that was suggested, I would probably be posting:
"I don't think I'm the most suitable to make a miller claim and try to live until endgame"
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:35 am

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In post 73, Wormhole wrote:The two wallposts Creature made so far seemed very unlike his normal posting
I start games in different ways, specially because I can post anything I want during the early game.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:37 am

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In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.
I was going to post the exact flavor though.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:39 am

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The drealmerz7 wagon is a good wagon to stay around. Not exactly because I scumread him...
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:40 am

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In post 84, Creature wrote:
In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.
I was going to post the exact flavor though.
Lul okay. How do you think of Drealz voting you for the reasons stated?
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:48 am

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Haven't decided whether it's towny or scummy.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:58 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:49 am

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Don't you think it's a good wagon though?
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:18 am

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I'm generally a good wagon because I generate a lot of content when wagoned and that is good

but this wagon is really weaksauce and 1/4 at the page top VC are very very very likely scum
balance among all things
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:20 am

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In post 75, jjh927 wrote:Smocaine, McMenno, Whemestar, Fenraiser
How would you rank from scummier to townier here?
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:33 am

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In post 77, WhemeStar wrote:Not unvoting Dreal today
I don't understand your conviction for this vote. Can you elaborate?
In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 27, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

I'm voting Drealz for this.
In post 88, Fenraiser wrote:UNVOTE:
And .... why the unvote?
In post 80, Creature wrote:
In post 70, Wormhole wrote:OK, and what about the claim makes him town? And why did you vote Dreal right after this post?
I have this tendency of townreading like every miller claim, maybe so does he.
That's a fair approach, although I do not approach miller claims that way. My problem with him taking that approach here is the following quote. In the bolded, he says that scum *or* town can claim miller in general, so I don't understand why he's reading the claim as AI in this particular instance.
In post 33, Fenraiser wrote:looks nice, and
while both scum and town can miller claim
, I'm more inclined for the claim to come from town more than scum imo. It seems to me that from what I've read about miller roles, they either make someone confirmed town (mish mash games at least) or they are lynched D1.
In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:I still think it's a ballsy move, so I don't think scum will claim it, but that depends on what kind of player creature is.
Like I don't understand why he thinks it's ballsy if he introduced the topic as saying that it's something that town or scum can do.
In post 84, Creature wrote:
In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.
I was going to post the exact flavor though.
Just ask the mod if it's a thing you can do if you want to do that.

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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:46 am

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Firaja, Fykus, and City have been slanking I think.


What do you guys think of the Drealz situation right here?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:49 am

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NVM City is VLA, but the other two must be heard.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:38 am

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The flavor is Not from around here.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:48 am

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UNVOTE:

Vote was from RvS.
"Tell me what you see, tell me. Is it scary? I hope it is, in fact, I hope it scares you to pieces."
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:40 am

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@Fenraiser, why does Drealmerz pushing Creature make him suspicious just because you think Creature is town? Was there anything about the way he pushed Creature that you didn't like and why aren't you accounting for the likelihood that he just has a different opinion than you? What made you change your mind on Drealmerz and unvote?

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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:26 am

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In post 97, Wormhole wrote:@Fenraiser, why does Drealmerz pushing
Creature make him suspicious just because you think Creature is town
? Was there anything about the way he pushed Creature that you didn't like and why aren't you accounting for the likelihood that he just has a different opinion than you? What made you change your mind on Drealmerz and unvote?

-BV
@Wormhole

I never said the bolded. Your parner (s) seemed to misread my earlier words regarding creature and the miller claim. I did accept that a miller claim could be made by scum and town, but I never said that the chances of either were equally likely-I leaned towards town claiming miller more often than scum, hence I applied that to Creature. Creature is a town lean for that claim, but it is a very fragile town lean, not so much a confirm town read.

Regarding Dreal, it's not that I don't realize he can have a different opinion, it's that I want to understand his opinion about Creature better, and that is why I've been asking him questions about Creature to clarify things. Initially, I thought he jumped the gun on Creature, but I looked back at his posts and saw that he voted Creature after Creature didn't say flavor after the claim and he implied that Creature strayed from their town meta. So, I kind of see the progression and I unvoted, although I wanted to see more elaboration on the Creature meta.

Transition from this:
In post 80, Creature wrote:
In post 70, Wormhole wrote:OK, and what about the claim makes him town? And why did you vote Dreal right after this post?
I have this tendency of townreading like every miller claim, maybe so does he.
To this:
In post 82, Creature wrote:
In post 73, Wormhole wrote:The miller claim is null to me as it's easily something I can see being planned in the mafia thread.
If that was suggested, I would probably be posting:
"I don't think I'm the most suitable to
make a miller claim and try to live until endgame
"
It does not ring well. I can understand if Creature was straight up scumread by Wormhole, but I don't think a null read can give this type of response because it betrays too much concern of how people sees himself/herself, albeit very slight. There seems to be a bit of self-preservation thrown in there as well in the bolded lines.

VOTE: Creature

I'm looking foward to a response from EspeciallyTheLies for my earlier post to him/her.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:42 pm

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This post is a town soft.
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