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Wolfy.In post 16, WhemeStar wrote:Do it and if you get modkilled then you get modkilled-
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It looks nice, and while both scum and town can miller claim, I'm more inclined for the claim to come from town more than scum imo. It seems to me that from what I've read about miller roles, they either make someone confirmed town (mish mash games at least) or they are lynched D1.In post 27, drealmerz7 wrote:
what, why?In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't
fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature-
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I'm saying that creature is probably town because of the claim. That is why it's nice.In post 35, drealmerz7 wrote:it looks nice?!?!? what does that even mean? you're just making a general statement that has no application to this game-
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This implies you know creature's meta. Please explain more of why it's scummy from creature. It would strengthen your argument and help us understand where you're coming from.In post 27, drealmerz7 wrote:
what, why?In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't
fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature
Don't straw man argument me. Explain more on creature!scum since you seem to know their meta.drealmerz7 wrote:
this is terribleIn post 45, Fenraiser wrote:
I'm saying that creature is probably town because of the claim. That is why it's nice.In post 35, drealmerz7 wrote:it looks nice?!?!? what does that even mean? you're just making a general statement that has no application to this game
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Is it the miller claim that's scummy, or is it that creature didn't say their flavor that is scummy?In post 27, drealmerz7 wrote:
what, why?In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't
fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature
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@Worm
RvS to answer your question.
I feel like I already explained myself with creature, so I'll clarify. Miller claims are either lynched early on or widely townread (depending on set-up in addition). It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.
I don't exactly see how playing off-site would help, but yes, I have played off-site more than on MS.-
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I'm voting Drealz for this.
I'm taking it that scum!millerclaims are more common than I thought. I still think it's a ballsy move, so I don't think scum will claim it, but that depends on what kind of player creature is.
Is creature prone to making gambits like scum claiming miller D1 or making gambits at all? I'm asking this fromDreal, Mcmeeno, andWormholesince I know you guys stated that you've played either a few or more than few games with creature.
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Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.-
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In post 77, WhemeStar wrote:Not unvoting Dreal today@WhemeStar
Wynaut? It's very early in the day and you're saying this, so I hope you're not actually gonna pull through with it after more people start posting and we get more info. What about Drealz seems to be automatic scum (It seems this is what you're implying because of that statement you made)?-
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Lul okay. How do you think of Drealz voting you for the reasons stated?In post 84, Creature wrote:
I was going to post the exact flavor though.In post 79, Fenraiser wrote:Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.-
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In post 97, Wormhole wrote:@Fenraiser, why does Drealmerz pushingCreature make him suspicious just because you think Creature is town? Was there anything about the way he pushed Creature that you didn't like and why aren't you accounting for the likelihood that he just has a different opinion than you? What made you change your mind on Drealmerz and unvote?
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I never said the bolded. Your parner (s) seemed to misread my earlier words regarding creature and the miller claim. I did accept that a miller claim could be made by scum and town, but I never said that the chances of either were equally likely-I leaned towards town claiming miller more often than scum, hence I applied that to Creature. Creature is a town lean for that claim, but it is a very fragile town lean, not so much a confirm town read.
Regarding Dreal, it's not that I don't realize he can have a different opinion, it's that I want to understand his opinion about Creature better, and that is why I've been asking him questions about Creature to clarify things. Initially, I thought he jumped the gun on Creature, but I looked back at his posts and saw that he voted Creature after Creature didn't say flavor after the claim and he implied that Creature strayed from their town meta. So, I kind of see the progression and I unvoted, although I wanted to see more elaboration on the Creature meta.
Transition from this:
To this:In post 80, Creature wrote:
I have this tendency of townreading like every miller claim, maybe so does he.In post 70, Wormhole wrote:OK, and what about the claim makes him town? And why did you vote Dreal right after this post?
It does not ring well. I can understand if Creature was straight up scumread by Wormhole, but I don't think a null read can give this type of response because it betrays too much concern of how people sees himself/herself, albeit very slight. There seems to be a bit of self-preservation thrown in there as well in the bolded lines.In post 82, Creature wrote:
If that was suggested, I would probably be posting:In post 73, Wormhole wrote:The miller claim is null to me as it's easily something I can see being planned in the mafia thread.
"I don't think I'm the most suitable tomake a miller claim and try to live until endgame"
VOTE: Creature
I'm looking foward to a response from EspeciallyTheLies for my earlier post to him/her.-
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City is VLA. Firaja and the other guy should be prodded at this point I believe.In post 119, Creature wrote:Where's Firaja and CityElectric btw?-
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I agree with this to an extent.In post 117, Creature wrote:Post 98 is still a very very weird progression. 80 and 82 doesn't justify that at all.-
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I can see how it seems weird if I look at my posts objectively. So, strangely, I kind of agree. I don't think it's a bad progression despite it being a bit strange though.In post 122, Creature wrote:You agree you have a very weird progression?
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You might want to read my post again. I said your response to Wormhole was iffy because you wereIn post 124, Creature wrote:That was the weird progression post I pointed out.
You went 180 over something that was actually false (me being scumread by Wormhole).
Where was I scumread by Wormhole btw?nullreadby Wormhole,notscumread.-
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Alright. You do make a fair point in terms of self-preservation.In post 131, Creature wrote:
Probably a reminder.In post 128, Fenraiser wrote:What would you call it from your POV?
It can't be self-preservation because there was no threat of me being lynched.
I'm down to PLing this one if this behavior continues.Fykus wrote:Prodge
VOTE: ETL-
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Finals are real. I mostly want explanation for that ETL post on Misa.In post 153, Creature wrote:Anyone's gonna use finals as an excuse someday.-
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Why is ETL a bad lynch Whemestar?In post 162, WhemeStar wrote:ETL is bad lynch today-
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Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. Good thing to look into later.
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If you want a response with your vote on me, I just see weird progression being the main reason for it, although I don't think weird progression marks scum by itself, so I kind of skimmed over it.
I also think we should have a CFD target in place soon.
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?In post 233, Firebringer wrote:
Ur face is weirdIn post 232, Fenraiser wrote:Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. G
Gut.In post 234, McMenno wrote:
whyIn post 232, Fenraiser wrote:Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. Good thing to look into later.-
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Incorrect. I don't know how much I don't know what I'm doing.In post 236, Firebringer wrote:Okay fenraiser doesnt know what he is doing-
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Creature is null.
Whemestar Response:
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CFD just means changing the lynch target last minute (better used in open set-ups actually).
I like the explanation. I'm not so experienced in tone reading so I can't really understand some parts. I also think it's much better to claim D1 as town miller then wait till a red check, so this in addition to the meta makes it frustrating to judge him.In post 260, drealmerz7 wrote:I really hate miller claims from town btw I think it is a terrible way to play it so am just inclined to think it is a scum who is trying to get away with shit
I mean, what's to lose for scum doing that if the site meta is for town to claim it out of the gate
anyway, it's HOW creature did it that makes me scumlean him up through that point that I voted him, combined with his short answers in that wallpost that to me were just easy/convenient LAMIST comments, for the most part - toneread him scum really hard up through that, and the "ohyah I'm miller" is blehhhhhh
The presence of these 3 were not noticeable at all compared to everyone else.In post 274, Chickadee wrote:
Why did you only call out these three for lurking? There were more at this point. My predecessor for example.In post 93, Fenraiser wrote:Firaja, Fykus, and City have been slanking I think.
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In post 64, Fenraiser wrote:Spoiler:
@EspeciallytheLies
I do not see your logical progression.
How does that question in post 26 and comment in post 38 make Misa come off as defensive and paranoid about being read if she wasn't addressing herself but actually creature?@Chick
What do you think of this post by your predecessor that went unanswered?
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