Danganronpa V3 Upick! Game over!

[hebichan]

Dont think i didnt see you sneaking the word "hope" there shirogane

The most hopeful of hopes that will surely win out and bring an end to these killing games once and for all!

That is the story we at Team Danganronpa have envisioned.

Of course, in reality, the stories will just keep going and going... because the world loves Daganronpa!

EBWOP

[hebichan]

Also, that shirogane is a bit too big, that's why i resized all my Kaede sprites to 50% from the wiki ones.

That's fair, I'll be more careful with my sprites.

[hebichan]

Specially when you admitted in your own premise you thought it would be better if you were lynched after kokichi cause info.


Any info you have can be shared with the class.

[hebichan]

OOOH! I got fun games we can play.
We can play mastermind

I thought it was kill the mind master.

[hebichan]

/in

[hebichan]

How many votes do I need anyways?

In the grand scheme of things.

You've still got A WAYYYSSS TO GOOO.

[hebichan]

Cy

Does his vote record concern me. -yes.

Opportunistic- yes, he literally said kokichi was easier to push than crows.

Going with the flow- hasn't been long enough to tell.

[hebichan]

No ones gonna comment on my hoshi impression... I thought it was pretty good.

[hebichan]

But, A50, why would Kokichi fake send it to Keade if shes not his scum buddy.

If she is his scum buddy, why would she out its a lie.

Also 1357

[hebichan]

Sure, but why would he do it at all?

It literally makes no sense as scum.

Why fake claim something that easily provable?

[hebichan]

Also Kokichi and LLD can not be on the same scum team.

LLD would have bussed this off a cliff a long time ago.

[hebichan]

Nah, Wisdom will come in every five pages, post his tunnel and not case.

You were the one who told me he doesn't case crow. He's held to that. It's admirable.

At this point, I'm pretty sure we all know Wisdom's one read, input and vote, and its unlikely to change, or sway anyones mind the next 20 posts you ask us to lynch kokichi.

[hebichan]

Honestly, I approve of everyone getting the stick shook their way. It's helping me get a lot more opinions going on the game.

It's also keeping lurkers honest.

[hebichan]

VOTE: kokichi

you're carrying yourself on a read from over 2000 posts ago. I'm not sure you've considered otherwise since then.

[hebichan]

almost 2000*

[hebichan]

I

[hebichan]

Aw I just got back from class too ;-;

Oh well

Tke my slot, I'm getting ready for work

[hebichan]

Hey Cy, are you a robot?

Robots don't have feelings you know, you should be glad to sacrifice yourself for your human betters.

OR something, I can't cosplay Kokichi.

[hebichan]

Hey Cy, are you a robot?

Robots don't have feelings you know, you should be glad to sacrifice yourself for your human betters.

OR something, I can't cosplay Kokichi.

So you mean like do this?

VOTE: cytheflyguy

I was mostly trying to crumb out your flavor, I have a 50/50 chance of being right, assuming you are a student.

[hebichan]

Also True or False
Hiyoko is the worst DR character.

shes down there with like likes of hifumi

[hebichan]

he's an actual creep.

[hebichan]

Ultimate Pianist reads list v1.2 (no specific order within each tier):

Town:

Crows (Alisae + Shiro)
Kokichi Oma
Wisdom
Almost50 (up from Towny)

Towny:

Miu Iruma
Izuru Kamukura (Himiko Yumeno + Chisa Yukizome) <- where the hell did they go? considering moving them back down to leftovers.
hebichan
Korekiyo Shinguji (Up from leftovers)
cytheflyguy (Up from leftovers)

Leftovers:

Mavis Vermillion
Lady Lambdadelta
Shuichi Saihara

I

still

feel something's wrong here.

why is Miu towny to you?

[hebichan]

I'm not ready to sort A50 again just yet, but I'm not sure about super town.

LLD is playing weird for scum LLD, though this could be me being a bit stunned I was her first scumread and general snowedness.

Shuichi is likely scum, but might have trouble getting crows on board.

Mavis is low content/effort day one apparently, so Idrk.

I still hate all of Cy's play with the wisdom slot and the BCWS stuff when he didn't even try that hard on pushing crows.

Korekiyo is the scummier side of null for me.

Izuru... haven't even been able to tell much of a difference between hydra heads, a bit of a non entity for me, which could be problematic.

[hebichan]

^ A response on people I'm not super obviously town reading right now.

[hebichan]

You should also probably ignore my reads on LLD, I always fluctuate from scum to town and back with her, and therefore never get her lynched when she is scum, or getting her mislynched.

[hebichan]

Well she has 152 posts and its been 100 pages. I'm not sure gut is really sufficient.

Time for a brain dive?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Kokichi

Blows is still obvscum but you fuckers won't wagon them

Before I out what I've learned, Miu can you explain your read on me? As to why you think I'm mafia?

Lots of words, lots of posts, little real content, posts ring hollow

Doesn't matter too much.

Miu's content was mostly focused on the middle of the day so far, early on she was calling people out for lack of content, while almost having none herself. Not really too AI.

I'm wondering if her Kokichi read is really based on anything other than sheeping though. She calls out kokichi's posts every now and then and then drops the subject pretty quickly. There's no real follow through to nail him, or anyone really. Then recently, she's stopped posting much game related.

[hebichan]

I was just reading her ISO backwards and she seems to just scum paint everything Kokichi does, but that's like the same thing Wisdom's doing so...

Wisdom isn't pointing at anything kokichi's doing, he's just yelling Kokichi's scum over and over. He's stated he doesn't case and therefore he's not reacting to anything specific kokichi's done at any point, unlike Miu.

I'm just assuming thats normal for Wisdom.

[hebichan]

Also you can sleep, it's fine. Nighty night, Kaede.

Anything you want to discuss with me, or shall we wait for tomorrow?

[hebichan]

Town Do Not Lynch- Crows Keade
LLD Tier- LLD (one of my stronger townreads again, but paranoia exists and shit)
towny- Kokichi, Wisdom
Null- Mavis Izuru
Scummy- A50, Miu
Scummier- Shuichi, Cytheguywhoseprobablynotfly

I feel like I'm missing someone besides myself.

[hebichan]

Oh I missed Kiyo, he's in scummy.

[hebichan]

Sure.

1. LLD's initial expression to me that if I were town one of her neighbors in that thread would likely be scum from that perspective, based on how she reads the game. I trust LLD's perception is kind of good.
2. wasn't very interactive with the town, preferring to interact in neighborhoods even while active, many of his early posts were content light reaction posts with no actual reads, just sort of shade thrown at the likes of A50, Mostly A50.
3. My point of Shuichi starting both of our wagons and jumping off.
4. He got super pissy about their neighborhood being outed, when LLD and Crows just rolled with it.

[hebichan]

Oh
5. He doubtcasted LLD after Crows went out of his way to try and make all three of them look town, this could possibly be an out for if/when shuichi had to start distancing and mislynching/shooting his neightborhood, since its kinda stacked with pretty good players.

[hebichan]

its a normal flavor cop A50, I was saying I could only see a use for it for fakeclaims since I knew about the three students not being in the game.

[hebichan]

I'm not really opposed to it. Cy's posts have been getting better. It's just how shit that BWCS shit was, he said he wanted a clean slate though, and well... from that impression it's been better.

Miu has been really bad from start to finish.

UNVOTE:

If Kokichi is scum though hmm.

[hebichan]

Well that leaves Wisdom as K1-B0

[hebichan]

I am considering the possibility that no monokumas were sorted into the player pool and all 13 of us are students.

Makes the most sense since I only got 3 1 shot abilities and not 4+.

[hebichan]

Well that leaves Wisdom as K1-B0

wrong

Wait what.

so...huh that makes no sense.

[hebichan]

So are you claiming to be a monobear of some flavor?

[hebichan]

Well that leaves Wisdom as K1-B0

What about Mono(something)??

I was just confused because I didn't get k1-b0 as a one shot ability, despite him being a student.

[hebichan]

Nevermind, the MariaKuma just told me mafia's fake claims don't have to do with flavor, just roles.

That as my assumption.

It makes my flavorcop baffling though.

[hebichan]

Anyone can ask her in pm, so it doesn't seem like a lie.

[hebichan]

And don't give me crap about how townies could be wrong and still be town, because if they weren't sure they were right, they would re-evaluate.

Conclusion, if you are not that sure, you'd re-evaluate. If you are that sure and it turns out you were wrong, Yume would make you pay for your unnatural confidence.

Have you ever played with stubborn town?

There are a looottttt of super stubborn and wrong town players.

[hebichan]

You can think your own play is scummy and know you're town. I can see why people scumread my earlier plays.

That being said..

VOTE: Miu

[hebichan]

"yume got better" they said

same old

um
It's true
and I will keep on saying
She is not a D1 player

To be fair at this point of the game there is enough content that I don't really get this position.

We might not have flips, but we have more or less full flavor claims, 100+ pages and several role claims.

[hebichan]

So, hebi looks townish. Kokichi I don't want to lynch, because he's my scumbuddy and for no other possible reason if he flips scum.
If I'm wrong on any good townread it would be Miu, but I don't actually have a reason I'd want to lynch her. She just has less backing her up as a townread.
Cy being lynchproof today is a little annoying.

I doubt that Kokichi, if town, is being pushed by entirely town here, but I wouldn't know where the scum is. There are valid reasons to lynch him. Even cy's logic is valid.

There's also the point that if his claim of an upgradable role is true, it could be really powerful. I'm not sure I want an info lynch on that.

[hebichan]

"yume got better" they said

same old

um
It's true
and I will keep on saying
She is not a D1 player

To be fair at this point of the game there is enough content that I don't really get this position.

We might not have flips, but we have more or less full flavor claims, 100+ pages and several role claims.

no matter how hard you try
She cannot get into the game D1.
So you can wait

Do you see me voting there crows?

I'm asking whats the difference between day 1 and 2 in this case.

[hebichan]

Is this shot put ball thing real keade?

I men it makes flavor sense.

[hebichan]

hebi ur behind on the times

also i'm here but multitasking for a bit

I came back to like 15 pages after a few hours. What was I supposed to think?

[hebichan]

It was really obvious sorry Kaede, Kaede doesn;t even throw the shot put ball

She does, it just happens to miss and so Shirogane #rekts Rantaro with one.

Technically she drops it into a complicated set up.

[hebichan]

Ah, I found the perfect name for the: Wisdom, Miu, A50, Cy group. The brainwashed Atua group.

All game.. LITERALLY ALL GAME.. Kokichi has been taking shots at the PLAYERS and never on their cases against him. Not ONCE have I seen him respond to an argument with a counter argument. There's nothing intellectual about his posts. He's just discrediting anyone who votes him or throwing shade at them. EVERYONE who has voted, or has shown intention to vote Kokichi at some point either got SR'd by him or has been called a sheep or brainwashed and whatnot.

That is fair, he has been scumreading only people on him.

I don't think he's done it without actual arguments but.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kokichi

If he really does have post restrictions, he's just going to keep being scumread all game anyhow at this rate.

I find it odd now that you've pointed it this out.

[hebichan]

That is fair, he has been scumreading only people on him.

I don't think he's done it without actual arguments but.

He townread me earlier (that first readslist) for questioning him. Later, when I wanted to lynch him, he began to scumread me again.
And when I went back to vocally townreading him, I'm town once more, but this time for the hated claim.
I... don't know. As scum modus operandi go it's simplistic at best.

Occam's razor, sometimes the simplest solution is correct.

[hebichan]

Ah, I found the perfect name for the: Wisdom, Miu, A50, Cy group. The brainwashed Atua group.

All game.. LITERALLY ALL GAME.. Kokichi has been taking shots at the PLAYERS and never on their cases against him. Not ONCE have I seen him respond to an argument with a counter argument. There's nothing intellectual about his posts. He's just discrediting anyone who votes him or throwing shade at them. EVERYONE who has voted, or has shown intention to vote Kokichi at some point either got SR'd by him or has been called a sheep or brainwashed and whatnot.

That is fair, he has been scumreading only people on him.

I don't think he's done it without actual arguments but.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kokichi

If he really does have post restrictions, he's just going to keep being scumread all game anyhow at this rate.

I find it odd now that you've pointed it this out.

We've been saying this for ages

... and I went back and thought about his pushes just now.

sometimes I need to sleep on things.

[hebichan]

alisae/lld/hebichan/idk whoelse i even think consider town

do you guys think there is a world where Kiyo is town

The world I'm being snowed hard by LLD, but I don't think this is that world.

[hebichan]

A50, do we have any reas to believe crows is lying?

No one is ccing crows, it would seem to be quite an easy thing to prove.

[hebichan]

Intent to hammer, but has kiyo claimed?

Sorry I haven't been too active toay, most of the actions has happened while I was at work/asleep.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Kiyo

There's your hammer.

Feels a bit weird with the hated...fakeclaim?

[hebichan]

I had a good time. Thank you, everyone.

I too have enjoyed this game thusfar.

[hebichan]

What even is the case against Kiyo? Idk if I skipped it, but all I saw was a shit ton of "hes scum" posts with nothing backing it up. How do we not know history won't repeat itself?

Too late now, I hammered.

[hebichan]

Also he fake claimed being hated.

[hebichan]

You could read day one, that's where most people were casing him.

[hebichan]

I'll re-read it tonight, regardless. But specifically, I want a condense version so I know what to look out for specifically.

With few exceptions, players in the game have a tendency of stating facts without expanding on it. This will cause problems down the line, especially if Kiyo flips town.

and I yelled out at Wisdom for his attitude on never casing anything.

But I'm not motivated at the moment to go case a hammered person.

[hebichan]

Question crows, was your thing a one shot SW?

[hebichan]

A what now?
Because that doesn't sound like what I am

I got a thing last night. Dunno from who.

Not going to full claim it yet.

[hebichan]

Oh huh.

Miu suddenly became way more town to me.

Mavis/cyguy for scumteam.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Mavis

[hebichan]

"Cyguy is no longer in the game"

[hebichan]

Cy please say who you think is final scum. Also stop hammering while im at work dammit.

[hebichan]

Was that not a hammer? Cause if it isn't people should get off cyguy.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Crows

Who casually put it at a 50/50 as two people I know who are town.

(Myself and Izuru.)

[hebichan]

on two people*

[hebichan]

I was upgraded last night btw.

I got keebo's role as my upgrade. It's an informant, I can check on investigatives during the night and see the result, and with strong willed it can never be blocked.

So shuichi's result will always come out tomorrow.

[hebichan]

The point being cyguy was out of the game, and we still had a night kill.

I mean, it could have just been for the day, but the results around it make me think it wasn't. Cyguy can confirm or not if he likes.

Shuichi got us a scum lynch, miu and izuru both gave me extra power at night.

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

oh huh.

[hebichan]

This is the problem when you guys have literally been ending days faster than I can get on from work.

[hebichan]

Well I mean because you guys had a cop guilty from shuichi.

[hebichan]

oh, I have Messenger, flavorcop ( because I didn't have time to use it due to things that came up the night I was going to), strong willed, and informant left.

[hebichan]

VOTE: cyguy

mehhhk

[hebichan]

I had an upgrade yesterday, I SW and informanted shuichi last night

I had "upgraded" as the result from watching shuichi.

[hebichan]

oh sorry, that was "upgrader"

[hebichan]

Shuichi and Miu, I have a dilemma for you to help me on.

LLD hasn't claimed her upgrade. If it's a vig shot and we mislynch today and she's scum, we lose due to two deaths tonight.

However, she's second in my scum reads after crows.

I don't know how to vote.

[hebichan]

My immeadiate reaction was to no lynch today.

[hebichan]

I can live with LLD not claiming for a day, Crows must go, it rhymes and everything

I can't...

If we mislynch and she is scum and vig, we lose automatically.

We go from 5 to 2.

[hebichan]

The only way I lynch crows today is if LLD puts Miu or Shuichi in our PT.

[hebichan]

Wait, no that doesn't work either.

Stupid math, always getting in my way.

[hebichan]

I can live with LLD not claiming for a day, Crows must go, it rhymes and everything

I can't...

If we mislynch and she is scum and vig, we lose automatically.

We go from 5 to 2.

I don't see there being a scum vig, if that's true then the only potential town killing role is my Vengeful, which requires me to predict a mislynch the night before. Scum vig makes it very likely scum can take games to even and get another extra kill with no lynch at mylo.

That's my thought too honestly? I'm just really scared of an instant loss.

Crows
LLD
everyone else

is literally my reads. However, there is the part of her claim she never outed.

[hebichan]

LLD I want to vote Hebi too, mostly because I think her play yesterday was horrible
however I want to go through scum's ISOs, and before I do that I want Shiro to catch up. But if he doesn't do anything while I'm asleep I'll just go through scum's ISOs and look for associatives since we have two of those flipped.

No wait, no.

VOTE: Crows

Shuichi can tie break this mess.

[hebichan]

LLD I want to vote Hebi too, mostly because I think her play yesterday was horrible
however I want to go through scum's ISOs, and before I do that I want Shiro to catch up. But if he doesn't do anything while I'm asleep I'll just go through scum's ISOs and look for associatives since we have two of those flipped.

No wait, no.

VOTE: Crows

Shuichi can tie break this mess.

wat

I was already scumreading you.

You literally begged me to vote yesterday, and my play was bad?

Screw off scum.

[hebichan]

LLD I want to vote Hebi too, mostly because I think her play yesterday was horrible
however I want to go through scum's ISOs, and before I do that I want Shiro to catch up. But if he doesn't do anything while I'm asleep I'll just go through scum's ISOs and look for associatives since we have two of those flipped.

No wait, no.

VOTE: Crows

Shuichi can tie break this mess.

wat

I was already scumreading you.

You literally begged me to vote yesterday, and my play was bad?

Screw off scum.

Do you see me voting you?

No, just shading me so you can hammer me.

[hebichan]

LLD I want to vote Hebi too, mostly because I think her play yesterday was horrible
however I want to go through scum's ISOs, and before I do that I want Shiro to catch up. But if he doesn't do anything while I'm asleep I'll just go through scum's ISOs and look for associatives since we have two of those flipped.

No wait, no.

VOTE: Crows

Shuichi can tie break this mess.

Why did that post make you vote?

He didn't vote me, despite "wanting to" for my "bad play". When I literally was worn down from him constantly saying how that lynch would end the day.

[hebichan]

LLD I want to vote Hebi too, mostly because I think her play yesterday was horrible
however I want to go through scum's ISOs, and before I do that I want Shiro to catch up. But if he doesn't do anything while I'm asleep I'll just go through scum's ISOs and look for associatives since we have two of those flipped.

No wait, no.

VOTE: Crows

Shuichi can tie break this mess.

wat

I was already scumreading you.

You literally begged me to vote yesterday, and my play was bad?

Screw off scum.

Do you see me voting you?

No, just shading me so you can hammer me.

Then explain how I live F3 after doing a move like that?

I have no idea, but if you want to vote me, vote me.

You obviously aren't on the same worry that I am.

UNVOTE:

Honestly, I kinda don't want to live to F3, and would go quietly into the night if I wasn't worried about an immeadiate games loss tonight.

[hebichan]

I am 100% sure Miu is town.

Crows has led a lot of mislynches.

I am pretty sure LLD is town... but the chance of instaloss is really making me have knots in my stomach.

Shuichi chose to investigate Izuru for some reason despite it being really bad.

[hebichan]

My other thing is, if LLD thinks I'm scum so much, why didn't she pull her plan off last night?

If I'm scum, I'm final scum. There's nothing to plan ahead for.

[hebichan]

I am 100% sure Miu is town.

Crows has led a lot of mislynches.

I am pretty sure LLD is town... but the chance of instaloss is really making me have knots in my stomach.

Shuichi chose to investigate Izuru for some reason despite it being really bad.

The only mislynch I led is Cy?

That's actually fair.

[hebichan]

You did defend mavis way too hard though? I get you think it was right but blargh.

[hebichan]

I've yet to read back but I feel like Kokichi was deliberately trying to throw off our associatives and Mavis was Mavis, other than pushing for me over Kokichi I can't remember anything she did, I still think scum were invested in Kokichi not being lynched, his wagon definitely felt like a wagon scum were pushing against, I feel like we're back to square one here

Kiyo throwing off associatives not Kokichi

huh?

She's saying she felt like Kiyo was avoiding associating with his buddies.

[hebichan]

My other thing is, if LLD thinks I'm scum so much, why didn't she pull her plan off last night?

If I'm scum, I'm final scum. There's nothing to plan ahead for.

Timing and votes. Do you think I was really stopping that town from lynching CY? I didn't even get to post before it happened.

Sure, but you had a night after cy.

I'm talking about your role plan, not your plan to lynch me.

Why not just use it last night?

[hebichan]

I think you mean kiyo.

[hebichan]

okay, but Miu was talking about Kiyo, not Kokichi, she mispoke.

[hebichan]

I've yet to read back but I feel like Kiyo was deliberately trying to throw off our associatives and Mavis was Mavis, other than pushing for me over Kokichi I can't remember anything she did, I still think scum were invested in Kokichi not being lynched, his wagon definitely felt like a wagon scum were pushing against, I feel like we're back to square one here

EBWOP

[hebichan]

Question for people in the original neighborhood.

Pretend you're being snowed in that thread. Who is snowing you?

[hebichan]

You are still on the all town PT thing.

However, likely scenario for today could be, I'm lynched, and Miu is shot.

Who would you think is the most likely to be scum in that scenario?

[hebichan]

I literally have no idea what your PT looks like except the little hints LLD gives me. Like you and Shuichi making her feel "off" at one point early on.

If we're taking the leap of faith that we can afford a mislynch today, I will gladly take the fall, as long as we talk today.

[hebichan]

Though it is frustrating, Because I called Mavis and one person in LLD's other neighborhoood scum in day one, and tried to get myself killed off to avoid an endgame state like this, where it was LLD's death tunnel on me in final five.

[hebichan]

Do you think LLD's read on you is naturally formed?
Also in this current gamestate, is there anyone you think is trying to take charge?

1. I don't know what she's scumreading on me, so I don't know. LLD claimed it was something from the PT and my reaction to her gambits, but Izuru came in later and said he had no idea what she was talking about and thought everything I did in our PT was townie.
2. I am, and LLD is, and I'm not sure is AI of LLD to try to.

Like, I'm not sure how to feel of the ultimatum of "If I reveal, we lynch Hebi." That feels like someone really confident in either there not being a final three, or really confident I'm the last scum.

I'm not sure I can correctly read anything LLD does today since my worldview is either she's town or she's scum who has a silver bullet.

My other thing is, I'm finding it hard to believe LLD keeps Izuru alive after being upgraded, seems risky for scum, like really risky. What if shuichi upgraded to a full cop?

On the plus for scum tells is that she hasn't pushed me hard by her own admission, because she was "waiting for votes" even though in the town games I've played with her, I've never seen her be patient like that.

[hebichan]

Though, my version of taking over isn't forcing the vote one way or another.

Wheras everything LLD does is very obviously to get my lynch in.

There's also another reason my reads might be swayed one way or the other, but it has to do with the full text of LLD's non upgraded role, which is still kinda secret as far as I know, and I kinda want to see how things shake out before finishing that thought.

[hebichan]

LLD has also only voted three times this entire game.

[hebichan]

I mean thank you for picking on a post I made after briefly skimming your iso and making a huge essay on it while ignoring that actual points I made.

[hebichan]

Once sentence gets 3 paragraphs because its the easy target, and admittedly wrong, the harder posts don't get any recognition.

[hebichan]

The motivation was that I was trying to get out everything I thought on your alignment either way.

I was trying to recall literally everything from your game from the entire game, then I did a brief iso and thought I didn't see many votes, so I commented on it.

[hebichan]

I did mean it, I was wrong, fuck me, vote me, do whatever you fucking want cause I made a fallacious point, but answer the other things.

[hebichan]

If you want my motivation, its to sort you before I get lynched today, and help your entire PT sort itself because i have no intention of defending myself, unless I think I can get you to talk more by doing so.

So dance, Lexi, dance.

P-edit:
Also, you couldn't push me?

Seriously? Who am I talking to again?

You lack the ability to push -me- who you call an easy day 1 lynch all the time?

REALLY?

[hebichan]

Also, screw off, I would have night killed you ages ago.

I don't have confidence in my ability to manipulate you and you claimed vig to me in private.

[hebichan]

Also, screw off, I would have night killed you ages ago.

I don't have confidence in my ability to manipulate you and you claimed vig to me in private.

When did I do this?

Literally in the PT when you full claimed? I still know things no one else does, as far as I know.

[hebichan]

If you're town I suggest you do the same thing and just throw your reads right out the fucking window, and sit down and gamesolve.
LLD tbh right now you remind me of those townies who have this one really strong SR on someone the whole game.
They are always on town.
I think Hebi is town for their interactions with me today.
Can you explain their dayplay today as scum?
I'm not seeing it.

@Hebi, can you go through Kiyo and Mavis' ISOs for me and just try to sort the spew?
If you're town it should be easy.
If you're scum it should be a nightmare.

What do you men by spew?

I will easily do that though.

[hebichan]

Please stop.

LLD can you talk to me?

sure

Draw out for me why Hebi's play today and her interactions with me today come from a wolf?

but why though

Because Miu won't vote for me. So you need me to either self vote (it has come to mind), or get crows and shuichi on board with lynching me.

Which, if you believe LLD is town, with no vig shot, then voting me should be no issue, crows.

...............................

Working on sorting Mavis, I got to a part with her discrediting Wisdom after the Kokichi flip and trying to protect Kiyo, but not much else that seems like anything more than buddying and towncred so far.

Mavis headbutted with Miu a lot, I can go quote the relevant posts here in a second.

[hebichan]

I'm the only one pushing you hard and I'm town.

Yeah apparently scum like to push me when I'm right

How can Mavis prove she is town?

VOTE: Miu

I kinda townread him, so if it's only between you two, I will be voting ya.

First post is really the only one intercting with me, asking "how do I be more town" is kinda classic scum.

This light Miu back and forth bothers me, but I might be reading into it too far because at that point in the game a lot of people were flirting with voting Miu.

[hebichan]

Hey Miu, why did you give me strong willed anyhow?

What were you thinking I was going to use it on?

[hebichan]

Sorting through his posts, Kiyo goes from strong scumread to strong townread on shuichi in an almost unnaturally natural way for scum.

[hebichan]

Yeah, I've literally run through the scenarios of every player being scum so far in my head today.

[hebichan]

Speaking of which, everything is essentially baseless on Day 1. We do the best we can with our detective skills.

So you do find the Crows argument illogical?
And yet it seems you're taking advantage of its existence all the same...
Even with a 'baseless' first day, surely you can do better than that?

Your Shuichi read is actually bullshit btw

Why are you townreading Shuichi?
I was scumreading him before a specific series of posts, myself.

I do agree about Mavis to an extent, but I can't say whether he knows your relationship to her or not, so I'll stay out of that part.
Why are those other posts you pointed out so scummy?

What aout your reads off the wagon?

I believe Crows is town, I honestly can't remember where Shuichi is voting now (it might be no one) but I think he's town too. LLD could be scum, and Izuru remains as nullscum. Cy, I'm uncertain on.
Oh, and Kaede looks town.

The only player there I'm townreading is Shuichi.
It's also day 1. I don't believe you have to be completely right.

Y'all, fyi, if I'm not mistaken Kokichi is at L-2. If Korekiyo and A50 decide to hammer, he's dead. Anyone who has any final thoughts please make them now as the day phase may end soon.

You may as well consider him at L-1 if this is the case.
I don't intend to hammer before Shuichi returns, though, and I want to hear from Kokichi about his read on me.

Seems awfully dependent on shuichi's opinion to be honest.

He also toyed with wagoning LLD, I think that was more buddying wisdom than anything.

[hebichan]

Oh shit it is 4 am. NM come here and tell us wtf is up.

[hebichan]

Well I can't lynch myself anymore if this is a town flip.

But maybe Miu is just bluffing for the sake of maybe LLD gambit.

[hebichan]

I will be kinda too if you flip town.

Though I think the right move is to no lynch if you do?

That gets us from mylo to lylo.

[hebichan]

Unless I'm wrong that an extra flip is helpful.

[hebichan]

Shuichi chose to investigate Izuru for some reason despite it being really bad.

I didn't really see the townreads on them other than meta reasons, and they were the only one who hadn't already claimed a role openly.

I openly said izuru upgraded me.

[hebichan]

I've used doctor on LLD the night she was upgraded. Nothing else.

Honestly the idea I'm scum after she's claimed to me, vig, neighborizer, and upgrader and hasnt died is really silly and I hope she's not actually scum reading me and that was a gambit.

[hebichan]

messenger and flavor cop.

I'm not saving them, I just literally don't know what to use them for.

[hebichan]

I was gonna use it on wisdom then stuff happened.

[hebichan]

Its nothing I want to push, but Shuichi being scum is a thought that did come across my mind this day phase.

However, that was pulled out on threat of dayvig.

[hebichan]

shuichi is cephrir?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Crows

If crows is town here, its LLD, Shuichi and Miu are both town, both from their play and meta.

Now please confirm what's going on, one of you. If the game is over.

[hebichan]

ripsolohero

Is that a GG?

[hebichan]

I wanted to lynch you ever since "ALL TOWN HOOD"

but then like LLD kept scum reading me, and wisdom and shuichi got guilties and then I got paranoid on LLDs power, and cy was practically begging to be lynched.

How did kiyos interactions clear you though? That stuff can be faked.

[hebichan]

I just want to see thee deadthread tbh.

[hebichan]

I wanted to lynch you ever since "ALL TOWN HOOD"

Also
this is never a good though process
If you're town and you think "OH, THERE'S NO WAY THAT HOOD WOULD BE AN ALL HOOD BECAUSE LOLHOODSPEC" then you don't know how to scumhunt

It wasn't that, it was the way you said it when like LLD literally doubtshaded you guys to me in our other PT. I was already getting weary on LLD calling me scum, and you going "This is an all town hood" was making me think you were setting something up.

Sure there was some spec that mod would put a poison pill in the second neighborhood, but it was reverse set up spec.

[hebichan]

That would be interesting.

Was it Kokichi?

Also, yeah you did play well, though that doesn't automatically equal a win.

[hebichan]

I'm still floored LLD thinks I would ever let her live that long as scum.

Weren't there penalties?

He became a vanilla.

[hebichan]

I'm still trying to figure out why I would need a messenger or a flavor cop.

[hebichan]

Since i called 2/3 scum on day one, you being paranid of me probably saved me from being shot so, thanks LLD.

[hebichan]

Notsure why you killed Keade, you could have hard snowed her, I feel.

[hebichan]

Did I scum read Crows from the get go? Did I??
Did I say the Mavis-Ali thing was unnatural and that they were Scum together?
Oh, well.. gg

Also, I suspect Mavis didn't shoot me directly. I was protecting Wisdom as the obvious NK the night I died.

I thought you could only protect females

[hebichan]

Did I scum read Crows from the get go? Did I??
Did I say the Mavis-Ali thing was unnatural and that they were Scum together?
Oh, well.. gg

Also, I suspect Mavis didn't shoot me directly. I was protecting Wisdom as the obvious NK the night I died.

I thought you could only protect females

Nope, he said if he protected a male he would lose his BP.

ohhh ok

[hebichan]

Also, Ali, I try to win my games D:

[hebichan]

Also, Ali, I try to win my games D:

Ok, here's the thing
D1 you were lynchable
You avoided D2 and D3 due to guilties.
D4 cy was the obvlynch and your attitude around that wasn't that good and could easily come from scum
D5 the only thing that you did to make yourself town was your interactions with me, but besides that Idunno what you were actually doing to solve the game?

I was looking back at things myself, because I was uncertain.

I literally don't know what people expect of me half the time.

[hebichan]

I haven't really picked up what

"makes scum motivation"

and no one bothers to explain it to me.