I mean hey I'm fucking down for an assemble lynch, it just seems like people are a lot more interested in CommKnight. They're both scum though so I'll happily switch over, consider myIn post 948, CheekyTeeky wrote:Because Tex and Comm are outliers I think it's best if we lynch in 3,4 today to see if the theory holds any substance.In post 941, Viomi wrote:I guess you don't need to read my posts, as long as you keep coming to the same conclusions as me. Can we lynch CK now?
Best to start with Assemble I think.
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This reads as scum getting ready to bus a buddy, and to pretend to be surprised when they flip red. Could you get any scummier, really?In post 951, CommKnight wrote:You know what? Fuck it.
VOTE: Assembler.
At least when it all backfires, I can say I told you so.
That, or CK being so willing to jump on that means Assemblerotws is just badlurktown and that it's Tex+ck+creature or something like that. Hrrmm...- CommKnight
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Why are you volunteer lurk defender? They're hurting town by refusing to participate, you know that right? Why do you keep going out of your way to attempt to defend these two especially?In post 952, Creature wrote:Hopefully you're all aware they're known lurkers as any alignment.- Viomi
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Ooh, that hit a nerve. I'm onto something, aren't I? Thanks for the immediate feedback. Creature, if CommKnight just gave you away, feel free to yell at him in your scum pt tonight. Just don't kill me, that'd really really validate my reads, huh?In post 954, CommKnight wrote:Or it means you're a fucking idiot and I'm going to show you why.- Lalendra
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I didn't really feel the need to respond, nothing you said changed my mind. Obviously I read the posts surrounding the ones I quoted, and still found them noteworthy, so I wasn't swayed by your argument since you didn't present any new information.In post 939, Viomi wrote:You're here, care to reply to my response to your "case"? Or are you just going to continue sheeping?- Aster
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I've been reading through CommKnight's ISO and I came across something really interesting. During day 1, he said:
Then, during the second day he said:In post 314, CommKnight wrote:However, today I'd prefer a Mutant lynch as priority #1, he is the most anti-town player here and his play is definitely a scum perspective looking for info on town PRs.
The interesting part is that during the first day, he wanted to lynch mutant. Then, during the second day when the NK indicated a high scum density in the top 5, he suddenly went like "We can't lynch mutant! We might lynch a powerrole!"In post 615, CommKnight wrote:We continue with pushing people below Misa, I'm even including Mutant to avoid lynching today and I fucking SR the shit out of that slot. But protecting our PRs is much more valuable.
Amusingly, the probability that mutant has a powerrole has remained constant between these two days. If he's so against lynching the top 5 because they contain powerroles, then he should also have been against lynching the top 5 because they contain powerroles yesterday. What new information did we get on day two that could've made him so gung-ho of a sudden? The only new information that instigated him isthat there is probably a high scum density above Misa.
A bit ironic, isn't it? He is fine lynching the top 5 during day 1, then learns that there is probably scum among the top 5, and suddenly he vehemently opposes lynching the top 5.
More amusingly, he's completely fine, and even pushing for, lynching one of the place 7/8 players (City and Chip, the number "5" crowd.) City ranks directly below mutant in terms of chance of being scum (City having an absolute 12.5% chance less of having a powerrole according to his own list; I think a relative 12.5%/absolute 7.3% would be a somewhat better estimate.)Even though he is willing to lynch a "5" player based on mere gut, he will let his "fucking SR" mutant live merely because mutant is 12.5% more likely to have a powerrole.
This just doesn't seem like sane town play.Going with a relative stupid lynch based on draft order instead of your huge scumread merely because of a 12.5% chance of hitting a powerrole is insanity. Even more insane is that the cause that he's no longer fine with lynching his massive scumread is because his scumread falls amongst the players with high scum density.
Oh, and here comes the best part:
Now that his business with "protect the powerroles" has somewhat backfired, he's more than happy to just lynch Assembler. What happened to your "fucking SR" on mutant? Do you realise that according to your own logic, Assembler is a whopping 25% more likely to have a powerrole than mutant?In post 951, CommKnight wrote:You know what? Fuck it.
VOTE: Assembler.
At least when it all backfires, I can say I told you so.
It looks to me likeyou don't actually care about the powerroles. After attracting attention with your protection scheme, you're just jumping on the Assembler wagon now so you may be proven right tomorrow. If you really gave up on the protection agenda you pushed this whole time, then you'd be going back to mutant or somebody else you seriously scumread. But no, you're jumping on the new wagon that will probably lynch a town powerrole and prove yourself right tomorrow.
At this point things actually start to make sense. Here is the timeline of CommKnight's thought process:
- During the first day, CommKnight wants to lynch mutant because the town has rallied against mutant and he seems like an easy lynch;
- During the first night, the scum decided to kill MisaTange because there was no viable target above Misa due to high scum density and not wanting to narrow the surviving top players down to only those who are scum;
- During the second day, CommKnight continues the push to not kill top players because (1) there is relatively many scum among them, and (2) even if they lynch a town player there, they'd end up leaving isolating the scum top players. He covers up his intentions by whining about lynching powerroles;
- CommKnight doesn't actually have anything against mutant. He seemed an easy lynch yesterday, but today lynching mutant would mean lynching among the top 5, which is a bad idea because of the above reasons. He decides to use the "powerrole" excuse to jump off the wagon he completely supported yesterday.
- Now that his protection racket doesn't seem to be working and a slight bandwagon against Assembler has started, whom CommKnight knows to be town and probably has a powerrole, he jumps on it, so that he can claim he was right all along tomorrow when a town powerrole gets lynched.
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This is the reason I wanted Assemble today to test my theory, because if he does flip town then it's no big loss.In post 963, Creature wrote:How likely it is to Assemble play the game today?- CommKnight
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Yeah.. Comm's "hoping around". I love how your ISO dive brought up a grand total of 6 votes. First being joke, then me saying all day I'm fine with Mutant or Pisskop lynch. Follow by Viomi and then saying fuck it and voting Assembler because I want to show you how fucking stupid all of your pushes on the top 5 are.
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Aster makes a great point about Comm's discrepancies. I town read them based on their Content but the NK having voted them for some bad pushes on PK makes me uncomfortable. If Comm flips scum Aster is pretty clear as I don't see it as bussing. If Comm flips town that implicates both Aster and Assemble as Aster pushed away from the assemble wagon onto Comm.
I TR Aster more strongly than comm and I'm close to 100% on one of them being scum based on their interactions.- CommKnight
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Comm we can't avoid the top 5 forever and you need to address Aster's points properly if you want to seriously be townread.In post 966, CommKnight wrote:Yeah.. Comm's "hoping around". I love how your ISO dive brought up a grand total of 6 votes. First being joke, then me saying all day I'm fine with Mutant or Pisskop lynch. Follow by Viomi and then saying fuck it and voting Assembler because I want to show you how fucking stupid all of your pushes on the top 5 are.
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I have almost finished my spreadsheet and so far the data would suggest that kills in the middle and lower parts of the draft list are performed because the player's reads are a threat to the scum.In post 927, CheekyTeeky wrote:I can't quite work out why this player was killed in relation to the draft order, so I assume it has something to do with her reads being dangerous maybe? Could be stretchy. Just want to see what others think.
@Everyone, the theory that MT was killed because she was suspected to be a protective role is fundamentally wrong.
Not only have scum never hunted specifically for protective roles (such as JK and Doctor) in the past but saying that protective roles are found within the middle of the list is also false as well. She may have been killed because they were hunting for a specific role but that role type is far more likely to be an informative one than a protective one. Of course, there's a first time for everything. But for now, I no longer believe this theory.In post 933, CommKnight wrote:As to the draft order, people at the top of draft order are a lot less likely to pick a protective role than someone toward the middle.
No, it really wouldn't. It would be a stupid idea for scum to pick their numbers with a pattern. Typically scum would choose 1 low number, 1 medium number and 1 high number (usually within the range 1-15). I can get a more accurate analysis on this specifically once I've finished my spreadsheet.In post 940, CheekyTeeky wrote:Omg it just occured to me that it would make the most sense for scum to pick 2, 3 and 4 right or 3, 4, 6?I mostly just lurk now.- CheekyTeeky
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"Typically" can you link me to examples of this please?In post 970, mutantdevle wrote:No, it really wouldn't. It would be a stupid idea for scum to pick their numbers with a pattern. Typically scum would choose 1 low number, 1 medium number and 1 high number (usually within the range 1-15). I can get a more accurate analysis on this specifically once I've finished my spreadsheet.
This spreadsheet better be gold, you've been working on it since day 1. I want to see it as your next post as references to something intangible is getting annoying to say the least.- CommKnight
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1.) Mutant was PR fishing early D1. This has been explained. Aster is misrepping my stance on Mutant completely.
2.) Misa is actually in position to be possible doctor/jailkeeper. Also the number 30 was an obvious town-tell. This is him faking ignorance to those facts.
3.) Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Tracker, all top chances in top 5. Why do we want to out a cop or doctor or tracker this early when they can get us a guilty tonight or even tomorrow night? D2 is just too early to push top 5. Wait till D3 or D4 at least where they got 2 results.
4.) Reads change and Mutant is still possible to be scum, but for the sake of not outing PRs and to clear people by finding the scum in the multi-picked numbers, I'm pushing a different angle today to get scum.
5.) And who's to say lynching myself won't be the same fucking result of lynching a town PR? I've been pretty fucking subtle hinting at it all fucking day but this town is too fucking stupid to read between the lines. But SCUM has already probably figured me out by now.- CheekyTeeky
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I don't know what it means in terms of alignment, but this is the most engaged i have seen Assembler in a game I think.In post 965, CheekyTeeky wrote:
This is the reason I wanted Assemble today to test my theory, because if he does flip town then it's no big loss.In post 963, Creature wrote:How likely it is to Assemble play the game today?
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