Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

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I'm about here

Majiffy - null
Rautherdir - town
SnarkySnowman - scum
Thor665 - null lean town
momo - null lean scum
Lil Uzi Vert - FUCK YOU (town by elli)
ConManMick - null lean town

we're flipped on momo

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Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable

"In past games I've played on this site I have only used meta to justify being town when I am town" is perfectly acceptable

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you CLEARLY don't know me

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It's day 1 in a large, anyone advancing any scum read as particularly meaningful is being silly.

example of you having this philosophy before plz

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see chess i told you momo was town

i didn't read past the second line of his post when i wrote this LOL

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VOTE: group b

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okay
i mean if you're 10 for 10 pew pew and he's been both alignments that'll be nice

but that leads to a follow up

how do i tell the difference between townscend and scumscend?
have you done something here only townscend would do?

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UNLUCCCKYYY

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GODDAMNIT MAKING ME DO RESEARCH

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i mean u presumably remember where you've said it before and aren't on ur phone all weekend so it should be easier for u

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im home

ali's obviously town and shouldn't replace them because i love them and we'll win this game

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skirt's super cool

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search.php?author_id=25190&sr=posts

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But the flowchart!
The flowchart for how to win every game of mafia!
I mean I guess we would still have Thor. Unless one of the goons killed him.
But at any rate I feel perfectly okay with letting Majiffy live another day.

gud meme

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It is now a race to post the most appropriate reaction GIF to the above post.

Ready
Set
GO!

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VOTE: UNVOTE

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On phone.

Cmm was a great lynch and id repeat everytime.

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Also dan is close to 100% town by meta.

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Im going to go play badminton and hope thers a guilty by the time im done.

Peace

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Chessy I like how you took some tools from my toolbox and made them your own.

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ali and why mafia's were the winners of this game so far ffs

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viewtopic.php?p=9359429#p9359429

*whistles*

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Vf might be scum

But his lynch independent his alignment gives off nothing

Also i got sent home from work. Fml really upset stomach.

I admire your bravery in coming into this thread when you're not feeling well.

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LOL

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if his bulba read is good he's town yeah?

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i've barely read I'm just trusting chess on ging atm.

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wrong as in the tell was wrong

or the tell didn't apply

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I actually agree with toto on something

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I was just thinking that

If I can't find it within 15 minutes it doesn't exist

i serached desperado in thor's posting history a few days ago when it was first brought up and i couldn't find but i didn't dig deeper than that

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WELCOME BACK VONFLARE

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bulb - strong townreads elsewhere in the group and past experience
eddie - he's straddling the line, not much to explain
you and chesskid - no idea what your scumgames look like but you both feel right. unfortunately there's no hito or kagami here to help bridge the gap between you guys and the rest of us

YOU'RE ALLLOWED TO AMEND YOUR STATEMENT ON CHESSKID NOW

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@Vonflare are your finals over or were you just studying -.-

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so I'm guessing we both went full lazy and assumed the other person would get all the links

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how was your first exam?

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no my townreads are sick

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we'll be fine

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I thought desp being afk and not claiming => desp town since it was optimal for despscum to claim pr there once it was obvious his lynch was inevitable save drastic action.

It turned out he was afk for very ikely out of game reasons though.

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@Mod: REplace me in for Elliberetta this game no longer deserves a gimmick alt

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or maybe i can switch to my anime alt and roleplay

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what?

why would I say "i think desp is town because he's not claiming"

in the off chance he forgot he comes in and fucking claims pr and some idiot might cc.

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and you realize he massreplaced out of games sitewide during the tailend of the game for irl reasons so the activity in general turned out to probably be moot.

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i actually still think desp thought the tell was real at some point and just decided to use it here to try and trick me lol.

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Essentially, you were holding Von to a higher standard than Desp, and you were ignoring Desp's lurking while attacking Von for the same thing.

I thought he was town because he was lurking when he was close to 100% the lynch while von lurking when he's close to 0% the lynch is a different story how is that not clear >.>

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and yeah, I didn't really read any of the meta and I don't have to anymore now, but I'll bet with you postgame that desp will come in and say that he thought that the tell was real as town at some point.

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and i don't know if you noticed but desp had replaced out of the game, the mod editted it out of the final lynch post but it was there originally

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guys wait for the fucking potential guilty we've been over this ty.

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like yes

i fucked up on desp

if the mod had told us when he replaced out that would be a different story because i thought he was town BECAUSE HE WAS LURKING.

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and I didn't want to say that because now scum can lurk in this settup and get townread by me

herpaderpaderpaherp

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except they won't

don't lurk scum tyty

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i'll scream after everyone in A checks in

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no

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by the way Bulba

if Desperado WASN'T REPLACING OUT

I still bet he would have claimed PR at some point in those last 2 days

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i'm more interested how scum killed 2 of our PRs in a row

this is stuff we shouldn't talk about bb.

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i thought he was town BECAUSE HE WAS LURKING.

It's like thinking I'm town for lurking.

how fucking hard is it to understand that if desp were actually on site he would have came in at some point and claimed pr and that i didn't find out that desp was mass replacing out until after the fact

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you realize

chesskid and I are NEVER wrong on dan and we both say he's town.

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the movie sucked.

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i've been arguing with some friends on fb messenger about the movie for a good portion of the day lmao

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everyone from a should check in first again lmao

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something like this
I can probably parse out a few more on the outside groups if i tried but

GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor
CMM

GROUP C
vflare
Desp
Gingie
Rach

but yeah
i called rach town after this so the only difference is vflare

i have reason to think the above list is very good by the way
I'll redo for people already flipped

GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor

GROUP C (1)
vflare
Gingie

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I don't get the joke there.

I'm still sure he's town by the way and I think chesskid is too so.

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I will admit i'm kinda clueless past the above poe but I'm pretttty sure its right.

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no you think that dan is town you idiot

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This is what makes me think my reads were good d1:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... ost1790211

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I will admit i'm kinda clueless past the above poe but I'm pretttty sure its right.

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but you made it pretty obv who you got a guilty on so.

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Oh nice, this Geriatric Cult has spread to different forums.

nah we used the username as a meme

mulch was the one i was in a hydra with lol

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the funny part is half the game thought we were serious because we opene the game by posting the geriatric ruleset

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im too lazy to see if its thor or jiffy.

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some people were like "this is a great idea"

and then

"wait hold on gpc is spamming the shit out of the thread wtf"

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im too lazy to see if its thor or jiffy.

I made it pretty explicit somewhere.

FINE IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME I'LL LOOK

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thats pretty fucking explicit

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sure

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thanks for carrying up to now

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why not vax.

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why not vax.

Assemble voted Thor D1, so no.

wait do traitors know who goons are.

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i mean ramcius was obvious town since ali.

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GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor

GROUP C (1)
vflare
Gingie

so I'm guessing only name missing here that you disagree with is bulba?
maybe transcend cornercase

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vax traitor thor goon could still be a thing yeah

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was there even a wagon on von lol.

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but yeah I think vax is the traitor zzz but sure we can close that out later.

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Also, is Bulba usually terribly wrong?

CHESSKID

you want to take this one?

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I mean even when i'm lost my poe's are usually semi-decent.

we're almost mostly on the same page readwise?

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yeah but we can chat a bit since the mod won't be here for a while.

how's your day been dude

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Wouldn't that be a Christmas Miracle.

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if c got hammered

l
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Vonflare is scum.

Isn't that what we said about CMM who turned out to be just a playstyle issue?

lol did we actually call him scum

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Vonflare is scum.

Isn't that what we said about CMM who turned out to be just a playstyle issue?

lol did we actually call him scum

ConManMick (8): WhyMafia, Transcend, Assemblerotws, Ginngie,

Elliberetta

, InactionDan, Ramcius, checkersman7 [Lynch!]

I know i pushed the lynch

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but i can be sold on gingie over vflare its one of them by my poe so.

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Do you actually have some vonflare meta to make sure you're not just lynching vonflare out of a playstyle thing?

gingie did some work and posted some links but I never checked and decided to check his exam schedule irl insteadl.

AND FOR THE RECORD
I don't consider cmm a playstyle lynch.
Because I don't consider what he did a playstyle.
Proudly policy lynched and would do again.

^^^ this was suppose to go before my previous post but it didn't post lmao

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what does that have anything to do with my post

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should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

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and lol

i guess the meta thor made up that i couldn't find

was just made up

haHAA

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inb4 bulba says desp did the same thing and I quietly disagree but ignore him since having that convo isn't productive anymore (BULBA THERE YOU DON'T NEED TO POST IT NOW).

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Because how hard he pushed him and he couldn't push me, because Thor was doing it, both goons on same ML wouldn't be good, also, from what i gathered, Eli was responsible for Mick too? I just saw Eli saying he have no regrets for lurker PL (Mick) and pursuing another lurker PL in Von

The only thing I dislike from Elli is trying to tie school schedules to alignment. Regardless of Von's actual alignment, rl circumstances would have nothing to do with why he was lurking. Putting effort into something so inconsequential, yet ignoring all the meta evidence that pointed to Desp-scum, even though Desp and Von were essentially doing the same thing is suspect. However, I think Elli is likely town here, and I only have her as scum in my paranoid "darkest timeline" theory. That would involve Chess being the goon in C, and, again, I don't think that's likely.

lol
I thought he was lying about his exam schedule as an excuse to not post.
I was wrong.
It also took suprisingly little effort, and it has high payoff, so etc.
*shrug*

and yeah they weren't essentially the same because one had a wagon on them that was almost certainly leading to death and the other didn't sooo.
idk why this is so hard for you to understand.

anyway merry christmas you fuckheads

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I don't think Eddie would go along with the Rauth kill.

wat

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I don't think Eddie would go along with the Rauth kill.

wat

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i like don't understand why a single part of your post is true lol

but its okay

its the holidays

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I wish my family did christmas feast shit I don't think i've tried nondeli or nondining hall ham before.

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CHRISTMAS CHEER

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i thought desp was close to inevitable btw which is why i tried the yolo exam schedule

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the former gets people lynched the latter doesn't

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nah it doesn't.

i prolly lie more as town than scum lul

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This is what makes me think my reads were good d1:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... ost1790211

hey bulba what do you think of this

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So eliminate Von. Who's left?

goons von or gingie

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vax is the traitor in a

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and i don't fucking know whats happening in b

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poe

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the takeaway is my d1 reads were sick

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i mean did you click on the link
it's probably at least mostly correct.

i'm gonna believe in past me and say its all correct lul

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GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor

GROUP C (1)
vflare
Gingie

so I'm guessing only name missing here that you disagree with is bulba?
maybe transcend cornercase

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nah i had desp originally

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something like this
I can probably parse out a few more on the outside groups if i tried but

GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor
CMM

GROUP C
vflare
Desp
Gingie
Rach

but yeah
i called rach town after this so the only difference is vflare

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hey ginngie how would you feel if mastina replaced in

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whatever its probably vflare

using a oneshot mastina cop is basically cheating

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MERRRY CHRISTMAS

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I mean the argument for that being town is that he does it as town lul.
But I'm not sufficiently motivated to check and I'd rather just tunnel on my d1 reads so aaaay.

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i mean yeah

i had 3, 4, 3 basically

so if they weren't all right it wouldn't be cool.

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creature i thought of faking a guilty at some point lol would you have let me.

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btw bulba if toto scum is the reason why u don' BIG PICTURE vflare scum

it still works out there

it was obvious that the push was going to fail save something incredible so perfect time to buserino etc.

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but i can make up a narrative for all my remaining pairings probably so *shrug*

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Elliberetta - has a lot of posts but doesn't really stand out for anything. My gut says that these are non-content posts and likely intended to look town active and I'll look into it tomorrow.
InactionDan - malicious lurker scum, no real presence.

haHAA

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see you fuckers tomorrow you have my list

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LUV plz how many times do I have to say I would never misread Dan.

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You're wrong on someone then I'm sorry.

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also assemble/vax's slot is the traitor we just need to find the goon

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is the goon.

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get it get it get it get it get it

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I GOT TWO OF THESE GROUPS SOLVED BUT I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE THIRD

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I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT VONFLARE.

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I'M PREPARED TO INVOKE IMPERIAL PRIVILEGE AND GO 1V2 BUT I'D RATHER GO 1V3 BECAUSE ITS COOLER.

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VOTE: C

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ALL THIS POST GAME SHIT

LUV WAS OBVTOWN SINCE PAGE WHENEVER HE SAID HE WAS OBVTOWN

RAMCI/ALI WAS OBVTOWN FROM WHENEVER ALI STARTED POSTING.

IF ANY OF YOU FUCKING KNOW ALI'S PERSONALITY AT ALL YOU WOULD KNOW THAT.

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AAAAY

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I'M PREPARED TO INVOKE IMPERIAL PRIVILEGE AND GO 1V2 BUT I'D RATHER GO 1V3 BECAUSE ITS COOLER.

In case the caps was detracting.
I'm serious about this.

in the sense that I'm preparing to invoke an Elli 100% on two groups.

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von's town i was wrong

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but yeah maji's scum

everyone already knew that though.

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So like

The purpose of voting c is to turbo lynch vf :p

nope its to turbolynch you

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You're wrong.

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fuck this actually

UNVOTE, VOTE B

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CHESSKID/GINGIE/RAMCI/DAN/TOTO/VAX/VONFLARE/LUV/WHOEVERELSE

FOLLOW

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i don't trust a + b to sheep me on transcend

i trust a + c to lynch majji

i have know idea what the fuck is happening in a i townread everyone atm

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agree?

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i mean if the non c people are down with transcend i'll do c.

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but like

if we do b i get you/gingg/ramci/dan/me for sure

if we do c i lose 3 of those for ????

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I was triggered that scum killed bulb over me.

so i did the fucking work

and looked through von's shitfests of games

and he's town

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like first 3 nights

PR
PR
PR

forgivable

but BULB OVER ME

NOW THAT'S A MOTIVATOR

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and i still can't fucking solve group a

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like first 3 nights

PR
PR
PR

forgivable

but BULB OVER ME

NOW THAT'S A MOTIVATOR

did u go back and read who wanted bulb ded

nah I meta'd vflare
I decided ginngie was town
i made sure majiffy was scum

and then i thought i could poe A but i still have everyone as town for some thing or the other so unlucky

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oh yeah fucking vote tags

VOTE: B

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but like honestly

killing bulb is just pissing me off and making me want to care

big big error

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at least this game didn't end in 2017 kek

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have a work call in a few min you do it

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like yeah i sucked ass for most of this game but still

THE POTENTIAL IS THERE BE SCARED YOU SCUMFUCKS

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actually wtf im saying its my special skill to be op and sitll never be nk'd

ignore

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i called luv since d1

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HOLD UP

WHO'D BE WILLING TO LYNCH TRANSCEND

RAISE YOUR HAND

IF I DON'T GET A OVER A MAJORITY BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE FUCKING LIARS WE'RE DOING GROUP B

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don't get a healthy amount over a majority*

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YOU CANT VOTE FOR HIM

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HOLD UP

WHO'D BE WILLING TO LYNCH TRANSCEND

RAISE YOUR HAND

IF I DON'T GET A OVER A MAJORITY BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE FUCKING LIARS WE'RE DOING GROUP B

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i don't trust a + b to sheep me on transcend

i trust a + c to lynch majji

i have know idea what the fuck is happening in a i townread everyone atm

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I got off my lazy ass and put transcend through my program and found an unconcious tell.

I also found a lower confidence towntell for vflare that I don't feel like outing.

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Need 5 to lynch Jiffy

Elli, Chesskid, Dan, Ginng, Ramcius

AT LEAST

Need 5 to lynch Transcend

Elli, Dan, Luv?, Snarky?, ????

so yup.

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I'll make you rue the day you killed bulb over me scumteam.

You've removed my limiters.

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Anyway, without Ellisoftware telling you so, C should be a 50/50 between vonflare and transcend for most of you, so just trust the guy who's never been wrong on a stamped 100% read.

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That said I would like to thank Creature and whoever else carried so far profusely.

I will not let your work go in vain.

Even you Bulb.
Your demise released the motivation with me.
And without your presence there would be no demise.
And for that I thank you.

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you flipped letters somewhere

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A Not yet
B Yes
C Yes

so B

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Doesn't matter

B is absolutely correct: search.php?author_id=17371&sr=posts

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and then I become one again with my ancestors (some of my contemporaries?) and we feast on some dog.

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asians eat dog.

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isn't that one of the stereotypes?

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after majiffy the dog is next ging

and revote b mods didn't count it

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oh ur quoting chesskid

im an idiot

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STEREOTYPES ARE BAD VAX

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GINGGIE VOTE B THE MODS DIDN'T COUNT YOUR MEME

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huh?

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oh

ginngie wants to hammer

i get it now

duh

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and it's also just transcend.

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I'll happily vote c if you can get me 6 names comitted to voting transcend from a and b.

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yeah thats why we're doing b

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I mean, Vax said he would hammer.

Dan will sheep me.

I hope Luv and snarky are /in.

And me.

In theory it's enough but i need luv and snarky to confirm and one more to be safe.

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I don't out tells so people can't adjust.

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LUV when C rolls around do I have your vote? (on Transcend).

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The game's mathematically over if you just trust me on him.

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I tihnk someone said if we back to back lynch B and C correctly, A doesn't matter anymore right?

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after jiffy's lynched and the it'll be 4 to lynch in C.

toto's prrobably not going to be with me
momo's probably not going to be with me.
I think Vax thinks it s a 50/50 so he'd probably hammer if I get it to L-1.
Dan will sheep me.

I just need one of you and snarky.

plz reward my faith in you LUV.

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oh can you vote b just in case ging wasn't the hammer

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im getting flashbacks to two people with princeton math degrees who couldn't count and mishammered twice in a row in this other game

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VOTE: Majiffy

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What's the math if we lynch jiffy, then von, then transcend.

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I'm not outing shit if i don't have to lol

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I'm on the record in other places for refusing to out nontrivial meta tells I get through programs so.

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I AM absolutely abusing the meta where I've NEVER BEEN WRONG when i've declared a 100% scumread on someone.

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Maji lynched.
Nk on confirmed

4 group A, 2 Confirmed, 5 in C

von ynched
nk on confirmed

4 group A, 1 confirmed, 4 in C

transcend lynched
nk on confirmed

4 in group A, 3 confirmed

1 vs 6

need to hit scum within 3 lynches with 4 unconfirms.

did i do that right

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I think bulba wrote a ton of shit on why von was town.

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BULB THIS IS MY FORMAL APOLOGY

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you can mock him I think I temporarily lost that right

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I mean I'm also only motivated now too because of bulb

He and creature are the heros here.

I STILL THINK YOU'RE WRONG ON WHY DESP DID WHAT HE DID BTW.