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[Elmo TeH AzN]

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[CommKnight]

So Aster is confirmed scum and Viomi is confirmed town. Thanks for outing that piece of information Aster.

[Creature]

On another note, I'm noticing a strong buddying between mutant and Creature, a strong buddying between Creature and CommKnight, and a strong buddying between CommKnight and mutant. This suggests a Mutant/Creature/CommKnight scumteam.

This isn't exactly how being scum works...

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Aster

This is scum. Let's just fucking lynch it already and clear Viomi,

[Aster]

VOTE: Aster

This is scum. Let's just fucking lynch it already and clear Viomi,

Current # of arguments given against Aster: 0

Try harder, please.

[Creature]

I hope KidAmn doesn't take too long. I'm not interested in lynching CommKnight.

[Creature]

Oh nevermind, the deadline expanded.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Oh nevermind, the deadline expanded.

Figured I would be nice as its a replacement with pages.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote Count 2.9

CommKnight (5) - Aster, Viomi, Chip Butty, CheekyTeeky, City Electric,
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster (2) - Creature, CommKnight
texcat -
Viomi (3) - Lalendra, texcat, mutantdevle
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty -
Lalendra -
CheekyTeeky -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:
V/LA Northsidegal
Prodding Chip Buddy
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
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[Chip Butty]

I'm not lynching Cheeky. I still have a firm scum read on Chip and would still be up for lynching Viomi.

Too many people seem to town read Chip but I just can't agree with that when he is unable to explain anything first time to literally anyone.

I roll deep, mofo.

In other news, CK and Creature are still SAF. With Mutant, the playstyle thing might be getting in the way. Not for today anyway.

[Chip Butty]

Creature is so openly supporting CK though...

[Viomi]

So Aster is confirmed scum and Viomi is confirmed town. Thanks for outing that piece of information Aster.

VOTE: Aster

This is scum. Let's just fucking lynch it already and clear Viomi,

Uhh.. What? I'm flattered, but how the fuck does any of what he said clear me and confirm Aster as scum? I'm pretty sure Aster is town..

[Viomi]

In other news, Aster seems to continue to be the only sane person in this game, so I'm going to happily stay on CK as well. And mutantdevle has lost my townread, he seems way too motivated for reasons I can't understand from a town perspective.

[Viomi]

Though, I'd really like if we used all this extra time we just got, and allowed the replacement to post a bit so I can actually get a read on that slot since it was previously just "lurk to fuck". So please don't hammer CK or anyone else until we're closer to deadline

[Viomi]

Vote Count 2.9

CommKnight (5) - Aster, Viomi, Chip Butty, CheekyTeeky, City Electric,
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster (2) - Creature, CommKnight
texcat -
Viomi (3) - Lalendra, texcat, mutantdevle
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty -
Lalendra -
CheekyTeeky -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:
V/LA Northsidegal
Prodding Chip Buddy
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
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V/LA people still get prodded following the same rules as non-V/LA, correct?

[CommKnight]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

[Viomi]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

Uhhh... Yes? I mean, mutantdevle has said in previous games this isn't exactly an uncommon occurrence.

I chose 1 both games I've played of PYP, and both times I was town, so...

[Viomi]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

Uhhh... Yes? I mean, mutantdevle has said in previous games this isn't exactly an uncommon occurrence.

I chose 1 both games I've played of PYP, and both times I was town, so...

Like, you're seriously contradicting yourself here. If Aster and pisskop hadn't chosen 1, I'd get first pick at PR. Would you still be trying to kill me because "SCUM ALWAYS CHOOSES 1!!!" or would you be defending me because "LET'S KILL LOWER IN THE LIST SO WE DON'T HIT PRs!!!"

[Viomi]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

Uhhh... Yes? I mean, mutantdevle has said in previous games this isn't exactly an uncommon occurrence.

I chose 1 both games I've played of PYP, and both times I was town, so...

Oh, and in that first game, I was the only one to pick the number 1, so I did get first pick. So like.. yeahhhh.

[mutantdevle]

Nice theory Aster. It's a shame it's wrong.

Second, it is remarkable how Viomi's wagon was pretty much ignored while she was at L-1, as in "Uhh, Viomi is at L-1, but what're we s'pposed to do with that?" However, now that a CommKnight wagon has started, some players (esp. mutant) suddenly seem desperate to get her lynched—players who weren't even on the Viomi wagon originally and could easily have hammered her a hundred hours ago.

I expressed A LOT of interest in the Viomi wagon. I went out of my way to weed out the weak intentions on her wagon to make sure it's as strong and genuine as it could be. I also expressed A LOT of interest in hammering her. I specifically stated several times that I was not going to vote until I was satisfied that all votes were genuine and that I had finished my spreadsheet.

Mutant, the currently greatest pusher of the Viomi bandwagon, seems suspicious in particular. He wasn't originally on the wagon and no new evidence against Viomi has surfaced since; he is only pushing the wagon now to protect CommKnight.

Despite not being on the wagon when it was at L-1, I'd argue I was still the greatest pusher of it back then. But I wasn't pushing in the sense that I was encouraging others to vote for her, I was pushing in the sense that I was forcing Viomi to make replies to others accusations and making sure that people on the wagon had genuine accusations to begin with. To say I am now only voting Viomi to protect Comm is completely ignorant to how I have spent most of day 2 vocally addressing Viomi's wagon. It's true that I am now defending Comm, but that's because I have interpreted what Comm has said to narrow down what role he could potentially have to a select few. Out of these options, my spreadsheet of meta would suggest that there is a high probability Comm is town based on what role he chose. I agree that Comm looks scummy; you forget that I was too scum reading Comm up until I realised that he has an investigative role. Comm might be scummy but he isn't scum.

What happened between the point where mutant wanted Comm to hardclaim and reveal his investigations, and the point where he no longer cares about him hardclaiming and doesn't want him to reveal his investigations anymore? (After his own rolefishing yesterday, to boot?)

What is it that you people don't understand about the way I phrase my questions? Yesterday, I asked textcat IF she would role claim. I didn't demand her to and I was not pushing her to. Today, I asked Comm if he was PREPARED TO hard claim. I was not demanding him to do so and I was not pushing him to do so. I gave my thoughts on why a role claim might have helped and Comm disagreed. Just like textcat's simple no to my question, Comm's simple no was just as good of an answer. You seem to think my intention here is to find out Comm's role. I'm fairly certain I know Comm's role, or at the very least narrowed it down to roles that I am comfortable declaring town. Obviously, I can't clarify this with Comm but my point stands that I want Comm to live to see tomorrow.

The thing that happened inbetween was CommKnight declaring that he refused to hardclaim. I find it ironic that after asking CommKnight to hardclaim (who had made a pretty strong softclaim) and CommKnight refusing to (which suggests he may not be the cop after all), mutant suddenly 180s and defends Comm's decision not to claim. He really looks like he's trying to protect Comm using any means.

How is this in any way ironic or a 180? I wasn't asking Comm to role claim, I was asking if he was going to. There is a huge question. Both questions have the same result. Either the answer is a role claim or it is a denial of said role claim. The difference between the 2 questions is that asking someone

to

roleclaim has the expectation that they do so. In contrast, the question I asked of if he is

prepared to

role claim leaves this choice up to the person I am asking (CommKnight) and is okay with either response. You are dead right that I am trying to prevent Comm from being lynched here; I believe he is a town PR. Why wouldn't I want him still alive? I'm defending Comm's decision not to claim because if he thinks that is better for his survival then I respect that. After all, Comm obviously knows more about his situation than I do.

And what's up with this "lynch him tomorrow" anyway? Why does he so badly want CommKnight to live another day? Why do we need to sacrifice Viomi for that one day? I don't see why a townie would want this, but there is enough reason why smuggling in just a single extra mislynch would be a great help towards the mafia. In addition, maybe CommKnight isn't the cop at all and has an ability that the mafia desperately wants to use one more night, which is why he wants to put the lynch off to tomorrow?

I want Comm to live because I think, despite his scummy actions, he is a town PR. Why wouldn't a townie want that? As for sacrificing Viomi, I think we can all see that she is a low risk of being a PR. Furthermore, if Comm is the scumking then Viomi is most certainly the scumqueen. The difference is, Viomi has less redeeming qualities. And oh yes you are right... sorry I forgot... Comm is actually our scum vigilante and we want to get that sweet sweet vig kill in tonight so it isn't wasted. That's why you shouldn't kill Comm today. Or, maybe it's just because I believe Comm is a town PR that isn't worth losing when we can lynch someone who isn't a PR but is just as scummy?

On another note, I'm noticing a strong buddying between mutant and Creature, a strong buddying between Creature and CommKnight, and a strong buddying between CommKnight and mutant. This suggests a Mutant/Creature/CommKnight scumteam.

Ahh yes of course. You got me again. Are we really still trying to push the agenda that myself and Creature are scum buddies? If I'm honest, I'd like to think I'd come across as a little more intelligent than to just blatantly buddy my scum partners. What an awful tactic...


This post isn't about Comm at all, is it? This is you pushing the belief that I am scum. This post, in general, is complete bs. Why? Well because you have put forth 2 things that directly contradict each other. On the one hand, you are saying I am scum for wanting to know Comm's role. On the other, you say I am scum for trying to keep Comm alive... surely you cannot believe both of these things? Make up your mind.

[mutantdevle]

Ayyyyyy

Ya boi has work in like 6 hours so I'mma drop a fresh

unvote

just in case, will do a little light reading before I drop off, and will be back with spicy hot takes in the morning

I like this guy already :3 Welcome.

I don't think light reading is too helpful considering the amount of time we have left in the day. So either you are going to have to read a lot all at once if you want to cover everything or start your light reading at day 2 and read day 1 later.

Speaking of reading to catch up, @Cheeky, have you read through everything yet? You've been quieter recently than your initial activity would suggest you usually are.

[mutantdevle]

So Aster is confirmed scum and Viomi is confirmed town. Thanks for outing that piece of information Aster.

VOTE: Aster

This is scum. Let's just fucking lynch it already and clear Viomi,

Uhh.. What? I'm flattered, but how the fuck does any of what he said clear me and confirm Aster as scum? I'm pretty sure Aster is town..

For the record, I second this. I feel that Aster just isn't reading deep enough into the things that are being said. I can see the town motivation in the things they say so I wouldn't be so quick to declare Aster as scum. I do think that Aster flipping scum would give Viomi some town cred but I really don't see a world in which we lynch Aster before Viomi.

[mutantdevle]

And mutantdevle has lost my townread, he seems way too motivated for reasons I can't understand from a town perspective.

So you understand my logic from a scum perspective?

[CheekyTeeky]

Speaking of reading to catch up, @Cheeky, have you read through everything yet? You've been quieter recently than your initial activity would suggest you usually are.

I'm waiting for Comm to be lynched. Also waiting on the new guy.

I've ISO'D everyone and flicked to parts of the thread that seemed important in ISO. I've looked at reactions EODs and analysed vote counts. I'm yet to read the entire thread in a linear fashion as I work better all over the place. I have some people I'm watching that I don't want to alert so I'll keep my cards close to my chest right now in terms of my updated readslist.

I like your case against the Comm wagon however I'd prefer to lynch Comm over Viomi as a Scum with a PR is worse than a scum without. It wouldn't be difficult for him to play properly instead of OMGUSing and refusing to back up his scum reads or even some attempts to sort players based on content.

Could you state a case on Viomi please? Also could you please explain why you spent the time to refute Aster but didn't acknowledge your read on her as a result of the post you analysed? I can't figure out if you're casting shade on her or trying to help along a townie.

[CheekyTeeky]

I do think that Aster flipping scum would give Viomi some town cred but I really don't see a world in which we lynch Aster before Viomi.

I guess this answers why you don't have an opinion on Aster. Sitting on the fence eh.

Why does Aster!scum = Viomi!town?