Open 706: C9++

[Chip Butty]

Luckily momo checked with me before doing the replace.

[davesaz]

Good example of how mods need to be careful not to influence by mistake. Hopefully all's well that ends well.

[momo]

Votecount 1.6 #RespectTheSmilies

During my first game, I discovered something very important. Smilies...this is how they go: ...Use these when you make jokes, otherwise, your entire game may fall apart. A good example would be (thinks back on life) why a few posts ago of course. The game was in chaos because we did not use smilies. Ah, the good old days.

Votes

Sleepless Assassin: (4) --- Voyc, Schism, xXTonereaderXx, Jodaxq
Jodaxq: (2) --- havingfitz, Elmo TeH Azn
havingfitz: (2) --- northsidegal, cytheflyguy
Elmo Teh Azn: (1) --- Sleepless Assassin
xXTonereaderXx: (1) --- davesaz
northsidegal: (1) --- Assemblerotws
Schism: (1) --- Almost Chara

Sleepless Assassin is the leading wagon at L-3.

Not Voting: Chip Butty

(expired on 2018-01-01 22:49:29) until deadline

[xXTonereaderXx]

xXToneReaderXx is a mod confirmed innocent child

I can't believe I have had to intervene this early....@xXTonereaderXX...you do not have a post restriction...nobody in this game does. I am going to have to ask you to stop trolling. Please play with behavior that is conducive to the game.

MOD EDIT: Please do not misquote moderator communication. That is in direct violation of at least 2 rules. Obviously the one about quoting me and the one about using my color. This is your only warning. Don't make me force replace you. I really do not want to have to do that. Playing by quoting questions is fine. This is not.

[cytheflyguy]

I didn't wanna quote the whole thing, but Fitz, the reason I voted you had nothing to do with that instance. I felt your reaction to Joda was a bit much and wanted to put pressure on your slot. Seems to be working

[davesaz]

FWIW I thought that making read lists by quoting the player list (and moving people around? I'm not good at catching the details) was bad too.

Tonereader, thoughts on my post that was directed toward you?

[Voyc]

What has me leaning scum iyo?

Post 81 really seemed not genuine to me. I agree with nsg/cy that your reactions came off as too strong.
Was thinking about the timing of some of your posts, how you said things after they had already been said, but looking back at the timestamps you could've just been ninja'd. (88 / 89, for example)

How are you getting town reads on Jodax and Tone?

Tone being town is just bc of gut ngl.
Jodax is the weakest out of the four, I don't really see scum going for the self-vote in RVS, I like how she noticed Tone had copypasted Chara's readlist.

@mod havingfitz hasn't voted havingfitz

:0

Fixed...I put fitz in for cytheflyguy...THANKS

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The only way I see a town read of Jodax is because of the vote to get reactions. Also notice how everyone who has posted a list is roughly the same?

[Chip Butty]

I'll read what I've missed and cast a vote in a few hours, with any luck.

[Jodaxq]

If chip was serious the note to mod needs to be

bolded

. If not serious then I leave the analysis of that to others who have seen it.

Jodaxq, is there anyone remaining who hasn't commented on your self vote / random thing? I'd like to go deeper there but don't want to disturb it if you're waiting for something.

Pedit: the comment was more about the naked vote than the Elmo stuff.

No I think I've seen something from everyone. What did you want to explore?

It looks like an obvious reaction test to me. Which means you should be doing something about the reactions.
I plan to do the same but have been distracted by a new pack being put up on the minecraft server.

I think Sleepless Assassin had the worst reaction. His post of "have you never been scum or am I missing a game?" kind of implies that he knows I'm not scum in this game. I also don't like how someone scum read him for being a try hard, he responded with "yeah I get that a lot," and then proceeded to disappear, only saying anything when he was asked a question directly. My vote is on him currently, but it's not parked there.
I don't like havingfitz's reaction either. The reasoning behind the self vote and then the bs reason (yes I know I can't flip a coin to randomize 13 players and yes I know a coin cannot come up odds) is to see if anyone will try to push for the easy lynch of someone who did something that obviously stood out. The fact that Fitz tried to rationalize a scum motivation for it (avoiding offending anyone) and is still trying to get some traction on it looks scummy.
Elmo's reaction seemed a little more like genuine confusion, but she had a similar reaction to Fitz.
I think Chip's response was town as he voted me to kind of get it on the joke and then unvoted when he had an idea of what was going on.
I'm unsure on Schism. I want to say that a scum who realized what was going on would react in the way s/he did.
Almost Chara was clearly scummy as hell.
Everyone else's reactions or lack thereof I would say are NAI.

[Jodaxq]

The only way I see a town read of Jodax is because of the vote to get reactions. Also notice how everyone who has posted a list is roughly the same?

There's really only been 2 reads lists posted. Maybe they're right though

[cytheflyguy]

Almost Chara was clearly scummy as hell.

They're the innocent child doe

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The only way I see a town read of Jodax is because of the vote to get reactions. Also notice how everyone who has posted a list is roughly the same?

There's really only been 2 reads lists posted. Maybe they're right though

I thought there we're 3 or am I mistaken?

The reason I was all up in arms about your self vote is because of what I know about this site's meta about self voting. No matter the stage.

[cytheflyguy]

I think Sleepless Assassin had the worst reaction. His post of "have you never been scum or am I missing a game?" kind of implies that he knows I'm not scum in this game. I also don't like how someone scum read him for being a try hard, he responded with "yeah I get that a lot," and then proceeded to disappear, only saying anything when he was asked a question directly. My vote is on him currently, but it's not parked there.
I don't like havingfitz's reaction either. The reasoning behind the self vote and then the bs reason (yes I know I can't flip a coin to randomize 13 players and yes I know a coin cannot come up odds) is to see if anyone will try to push for the easy lynch of someone who did something that obviously stood out.

Also, I would switch your vote if I were you. I read 24 as more of someone looking for meta. I also don't think the second comment means anything. I do that all the time as town (and as scum too). What is condeming is ignoring sarcasm and something that's obvious and still trying to push for that to be a lynch.

[Schism]

The out of game talk involving Tone and his (dumb) trolling needs to stop.

Im actually ok with starting a new wagon because getting mafia to squirm is always fun! VOTE: Assemble

Ill be on later with more but for now, Id like to ask the Hydra to vote someone that they read as mafia (IMO Assemble, Assasin, Elmo, or Fitz if you swing that way).

Votecount 1.6 #RespectTheSmilies

During my first game, I discovered something very important. Smilies...this is how they go: ...Use these when you make jokes, otherwise, your entire game may fall apart. A good example would be (thinks back on life) why a few posts ago of course. The game was in chaos because we did not use smilies. Ah, the good old days.

Votes

Sleepless Assassin: (4) --- Voyc, Schism, xXTonereaderXx, Jodaxq
Jodaxq: (2) --- havingfitz, Elmo TeH Azn
havingfitz: (2) --- northsidegal, cytheflyguy
Elmo Teh Azn: (1) --- Sleepless Assassin
xXTonereaderXx: (1) --- davesaz
northsidegal: (1) --- Assemblerotws
Schism: (1) --- Almost Chara

Sleepless Assassin is the leading wagon at L-3.

Not Voting: Chip Butty

(expired on 2018-01-01 22:49:29) until deadline

Im pretty sure everyone on Assassin is town. I like everyone on it and it seems like a healthy wagon.
Theres a scum possibly on Joda, take your pick, Elmo > Fitz for me.
Not sure about the fitz wagon, I will look into that tonight.

[Almost Chara]

Id like to ask the Hydra to vote someone that they read as mafia

Very funny! Why do you think Chara voted you?

Btw, I'm totally concurrent and I embrace the vote on you, and I totally think you are Mafia. Your push on Assassin was baseless and pretentious, and you called a try-hard in 29 when in fact your 31 is the definition of try-hard. In that same post (31) you expressed a "slight town read" on Jodax for no apparent reason. Nothing she did up to that point was even remotely AI. and she had yet to explain her vote on herself (either sarcastically as she did to fitz, or more seriously as she did later).

In 110 you also inexplicably call Tonereader "useless, but not scum". How did you get this confident as to assert they're not scum at that point?

Also in 110 you say you like the list Chara posted with the one minor alteration of "Fitz goes up and Assemble Down", but in 164 you suggest we vote in Assemble/Assasin/Elmo/Fitz and totally neglect Chip Butty, whom you also gave a "slight/null" in 118 (What the hell is a slight-null anyway??). This doesn't go with your 123 in which you exclaim about Chip being scum.

We're obviously not a Cop, but if you flip Mafia I would like for the Cop (if existent) to check in Chip/Jodax as there seems to be something fishy going on there.

I'd vote Jodax (as there is already a wagon there) but I feel that half of my case on her is tied to you being scum, so I'd rather lynch my strongest SR at this time, and give the Cop a chance to see if this was a good frame job. If you flip scum though I'm lynching Chip Butty without the need for a Cop result on him.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Oh, and

COPS SHOULD NOT CLAIM

unless:

a- You have guilty

OR

b- You're 1-shot and already used it (in which case you're giving us more info about the setup more than anything as the clear could still be on a GF unless we deduce there is no GF in this particular game through flipped roles analysis).

~A50

[xXTonereaderXx]

@mod may you please put sample PMs in the opening post.

[davesaz]

Here is a link to setup info.

[xXTonereaderXx]

Open Games:
All flavour for Open Games must be public and entirely original. Flavour based on any source material are considered Theme Games.
All possible role PM's for the game must be listed in the opening post somewhere.

[xXTonereaderXx]

davesaz
Jodaxq
xXTonereaderXx
cytheflyguy
Schism

Voyc
northsidegal
havingfitz

Assemblerotws
Elmo TeH AzN

Chip Butty
Sleepless Assassin

that's all from me for now. i'll be back later. probably!
~Chara

I can't believe I have had to intervene this early....@xXTonereaderXX...you do not have a post restriction...nobody in this game does. I am going to have to ask you to stop trolling. Please play with behavior that is conducive to the game.

I can't believe I have had to intervene this early....@xXTonereaderXX...you do not have a post restriction...nobody in this game does. I am going to have to ask you to stop trolling. Please play with behavior that is conducive to the game.

i'm against this, for what it's worth. there's nothing necesasrily anti-wincon or otherwise against the rules about what she's doing, from what i can see.

I'm against this too. I'll just be sure never to get into a game with him/her/it/them again.

Alright then...the only reason I said that was because I thought you guys would want it to happen....It is D1 and I am willing to let it go...however, I am ASKING Tonereader that as the game progresses, to actually play

Good example of how mods need to be careful not to influence by mistake. Hopefully all's well that ends well.

xXTonereaderXx

davesaz
Jodaxq
cytheflyguy
Schism

Voyc
northsidegal
havingfitz

Assemblerotws
Elmo TeH AzN

Chip Butty
Sleepless Assassin

that's all from me for now. i'll be back later. probably!
~Chara

[Schism]

Yeah, replace me. If you can understand it, deal with it. Also, if olayers have a problem with Tone, they cab pl him.

Ok, the fact that this a joke is Null, but my god does it rub me the wrong way.

Do you tr fitz? How come?
I personally think he's a slight scumlean if anything.

People that talk about the randomness of RVS tend to be town, I read it as TvT. If anything, Joda would move down a peg if you want to argue its TvS, but right now I have Fitzy in my townreads for it.

His reads, however, are shit.

as funny as it would be to naked vote you in response to that post, i think you're town.
~Chara

He is, meaning your 2/3. Bring almost back, will ya?

Why is Tone not scum in your opinion? And while I do not think daveaz was intending to leave his vote there very long….why are you sure enough about your read on Tone to encourage others to move their vote off them?

In regards to our Post-Restricting Friend:

His Reads in #99/102 are pretty dang good, and again, something that I like. He voted Assasin, who was a good vote at the time, and is actually trying to play the game. Hes restricting himself and while annoying AF, its towny. Best thing about townreading him is that I can ignore him unless he is alive late. Hes actually Playing the game, not being as useless as I said earlier. Policy is not encouraged.

Don't think I have ever seen havingfitz post a wall. Even a small one. This post also serves as a reminder to myself to check that if it seems that it will be relevant.

.... Did Fitz change his meta? He makes moderately-long posts... Or so I thought?

Cy 154 is town.

I'm unsure on Schism. I want to say that a scum who realized what was going on would react in the way s/he did.

Idek what this whole thing was about and I can promise you I didn't give a shit about it.

[Schism]

Btw, I'm totally concurrent and I embrace the vote on you, and I totally think you are Mafia. Your push on Assassin was baseless and pretentious, and you called a try-hard in 29 when in fact your 31 is the definition of try-hard. In that same post (31) you expressed a "slight town read" on Jodax for no apparent reason. Nothing she did up to that point was even remotely AI. and she had yet to explain her vote on herself (either sarcastically as she did to fitz, or more seriously as she did later).

Shame. This hydra disappoints me.

I voted Assassin again for his dumb RVS vote which at the time I read as serious. Its fake and seems like mafia trying to look townie. #11, #19, and #22 are wayyyyyy too telling for what sums up as RVS votes.

To summarize: Chara Town for First Vote, Elmo Scummy for copying, Assassin Scum for thinking it was serious.

My slight town read on Joda was for that self-vote, seems towny to tell ya the truth. Its not a full on trust of Joda, but shes in the list of people im not looking at for suspects at this time. I dont give a fuck about the semantics of selfing in RVS. ITS RVS.

In 110 you also inexplicably call Tonereader "useless, but not scum". How did you get this confident as to assert they're not scum at that point?

Also in 110 you say you like the list Chara posted with the one minor alteration of "Fitz goes up and Assemble Down", but in 164 you suggest we vote in Assemble/Assasin/Elmo/Fitz and totally neglect Chip Butty, whom you also gave a "slight/null" in 118 (What the hell is a slight-null anyway??). This doesn't go with your 123 in which you exclaim about Chip being scum.

Oh Boy.

I explained ToneTown due to the fact hes actually playing the game and voted a scumread of mine, I said that a long time ago. The restriction is Anti-Town, but whatever, he wants to troll, so be it. Its a town slot, hopefully he will get replaced or shot if he is alive Mid-Post Game.

I made a typo it seems. I meant Null/Scum. That means I scumread Chip slightly, but not enough to the extent of Elmo/Assasin/Assemble. Also raging and replacing out of your slot is more scummy than town, despite what Joda said about it.

We're obviously not a Cop, but if you flip Mafia I would like for the Cop (if existent) to check in Chip/Jodax as there seems to be something fishy going on there.

So you think I am defending Joda and doing "something" about chip. Hopefully the clarification of my read on Chip will help, but my associations to those two are not that strong that you should line up my alignment with theirs.

I'd vote Jodax (as there is already a wagon there) but I feel that half of my case on her is tied to you being scum, so I'd rather lynch my strongest SR at this time, and give the Cop a chance to see if this was a good frame job. If you flip scum though I'm lynching Chip Butty without the need for a Cop result on him.

That Joda Wagon contain Fitz and Elmo, who are either scum or null reads. Do you really want to hop on that? I don't know why you keep mentioning a cop and trying to lead the cop to investigate. I haven't had any associations with Joda or Chip for you to say that They are scum if I am town. The only association that would be a look at would be Elmo or Assassin, who I am not voting. This only matters if I flip scum but I won't.

@Hydra

How do you feel about wagoning Elmo/Assemble? What are your thoughts on Assassin possibly lurking when he is the leading wagon and not bothering to read a page and a half? I could move back to him as well, but Assemble is damning for not having anything of note.

@mod may you please put sample PMs in the opening post.

Just say youre town, stop making this difficult for the mod, who has already done enough talking. FFS.

[Schism]

Excluding IC and Myself:

Dave
Tone
Cy
Fitz
Voyc
Joda
------------------- Lynch Line
North (V/LA, probably safe for D1)
Chip
Elmo
Assemble
Assassin

[northsidegal]

Excluding IC and Myself:

Dave
Tone
Cy
Fitz
Voyc
Joda
------------------- Lynch Line
North (V/LA, probably safe for D1)
Chip
Elmo
Assemble
Assassin

why is fitz so high on the list? is it really just this?

People that talk about the randomness of RVS tend to be town, I read it as TvT. If anything, Joda would move down a peg if you want to argue its TvS, but right now I have Fitzy in my townreads for it.

why is voyc above joda and above the line? why am i below the line?