In post 55, mutantdevle wrote: In post 53, wilky wrote: In post 52, mutantdevle wrote:If I were a PGO I would want the town to know that so that no protective roles get themselves killed trying to save me; is the death a scum really worth the loss of 2 (or more) townies with at least one being a protective role? At the very least I'd probably fake claim as either PGO or commuter so that the scum are more sceptical of voting for me.
And at no point am I backtracking here. I was always going to back down on the prospect of a claim if you explained you had no desire to do so; I'm sorry if I didn't explicitly state that in my first message. Since you have now said you don't want to role claim, that's the end of it.
"I AM NOT BACKTRACKING.... I'M JUST UHMMM.... EHHMM... FINISHED WITH THE CONVERSATION!!!!!1"
I had no intent to start much of a conversation. What I expected from that post was either "no I don't want to role claim" or "yes, I'm this role". The result of a yes may have led to a discussion of where to go from there but a no would have had no effect on how to play that day. I did not anticipate such a negative reaction to the prospect of a confirmed PR player revealing what that PR is if they themselves had deemed it something that was beneficial to the town.
I can't wait to see what earth-shattering revelations lead to this slot not being strung up like Miley Cyrus on a construction site
Ooh, "ill informed" setup spec, lovely, just what I wanted for Christmas
Oh, Creature's in this. I wonder if I'll see The Tell here or not
In post 96, mutantdevle wrote: In post 88, Creature wrote:What I'm worried about mutantdevle is that he has no idea of how mafia works here. So I'm thinking his rolefishing is town motivated even if it's pretty bad.
I’m familiarising myself with how things work on this site. I’m yet to complete a game here but I am currently in 3 of them. On the EE forums however I have played at least 6 games and even hosted one. The mafia culture there is a lot different though. So basically I’m not completely inexperienced and I wouldn’t want anyone to discard me as that.
I’ve been known to have a more obscure way of thinking than most players and I usually play with a plan or strategy in mind. I’m at my best when I am able to plan out how I want days or nights to go. I genuinely thought that a role claim would be good for the town if her role was something that would put uncertainty into the mafia whilst benefiting the town. Obviously, no one agrees with that. I get the sense that others don’t see WIFOM as such a strategic tool.
Ah, the earth-shattering revelation is that mutant is a wee lil babby who didn't go through Newbie like almost everyone else, k. Not buying it, but k.
In post 99, wilky wrote: In post 98, Chip Butty wrote: In post 94, wilky wrote:
As I said, I didn't have it too hand as I didn't need to read it. Now can we leave it at that and get on with the game instead of having some off-topic smokescreen about who should be finding stuff for you?
You didn't have it to hand? Lol what does that even mean here? Do you need your secretary to pull it from the file room or something?
I didn't have a link for it... I shouldn't have to go looking for it for you.
Why are you trying to keep off topic conversations going? Sounds to me like you're trying to hide something.
This little back and forth has being going... well, back and forth for like 3 pages at this point and both of you are doing an excellent job at avoiding really getting dragged into anything AI. Chip's reaction to Wilky voting them smells off. Pretty sure one of these two is scum based on this interaction + a healthy dollop of gut feeling, could be theatre?
I see previous-me was almost as dashingly handsome and intelligent
Creature is doing The Tell but Creature is also smart enough to know about The Tell and play off it. This sentence is meaningless and basically serves only as a reminder to myself to watch Creature.
In post 124, CommKnight wrote:It can wait for a moment, consider my vote on Mutant for now, his rolefishing was super bad. But I need to know the answer to this question because I think I have an idea.
"Consider my vote on X" always feels super-weaselly to me.
Not gonna quote Lalendra 125 but damn that's some goodposting.
In post 129, mutantdevle wrote: In post 125, Lalendra wrote:Even less beneficial is the way in which Mutant pointed out who should be the first NK, like are you kidding me?
I never said she
should
be the first NK. I was simply stating that, as the only player that is 100% definately a PR, that makes her the most likely candidate for the NK.
See this also gives me pause on Mutant because assuming this is being run exactly as per the wiki PYP X/Y, Mafia would have daytalk and there's no need for him to have said all this out loud if he was trying to signal buddies
Maybe they ARE just a moron, or it's all Too Dumb To Be Scum Theatre... more on this story as it develops
In post 143, CommKnight wrote:Well Texcat, there's the off chance they didn't have pre-game chat. It goes on to my next point which North already sees.
It is highly unlikely scum picked the same number, that means that in the event we lynch a scummer in such a group, we can theroetically auto-clear the other person(s) who chose that number.
Also based on the logic scum want PRs. Misa actually gets some bonus points. Sure they'll be ahead of anyone who picks a duplicate number, but they'll never be ahead of people who picked a unique number, thus possibly giving up almost all PRs right from the get-go.
We also have another set-up advantage. Vanilla Townies are actually pretty powerful. If they landed a VT role, they know someone in the list above them got the role pair they picked. Which means if someone below them fake claims a role, they can be immediately called out.
But for now, that's what I got. Mutant is definitely a good start with his role fishing.
This is 100% speculation, 100% WIFOM, and 100% jumping on the easy target instead of actually scumhunting
In post 152, Lalendra wrote: In post 148, mutantdevle wrote:I do not accept I was role fishing I was simply asking a fish if they'd be willing to jump out of the water. I had no intention of throwing my hook into the water if she said no.
This just sounds like semantics.
In post 148, mutantdevle wrote:
Texcat had free choice of role. She had the freedom to choose absolutely any role on the list without worry that someone else may take the role. As a result, she could choose whichever role she thought was the strongest.
Hence she potentially has the strongest and most valuable role in the game.
Fake claiming as something either less useful or potentially damaging for the mafia if they were to target her could prevent them from doing so. Personally,
I would consider the act of fake claiming as a little selfish
since there are the dangers of someone CC and it would divert the kill to someone else but I put the option there for if she wanted to take it.
Either way, starting a conversation about her role is anti-town, to me. If she has the strongest and most valuable role in the game, why bring attention to it? You said it might benefit town to know what it was, but it also benefits scum. And then you say fake-claiming would be selfish, but by bringing up the topic of her claim (whether you think it was role-fishing or not is irrelevant), you are leading to one or the other of those eventualities. If she indicates she doesn't want to claim, you have still cast a spotlight on her, turning her into lynchbait if she is town, and thereby potentially losing one of our biggest assets.
I mean, partially yes, but also... no? Anti-town, thanks to the influx of dumbflux, isn't always locked on as scum. I could name like a dozen players whose playstyles are inherently antitown but they're not always scum, some people are just fluxing idiots. Man I love the word flux.
In post 163, mutantdevle wrote: In post 162, CommKnight wrote:
No claim = no sympathy of being hammered. If you don't claim, you will get hammered.
I don’t want sympathy. Being hammered and role claiming has the same consequences. There is no way out for me or my role here.
Congratulations on the first smart post you've made all game, shame it happened at L-1
In post 205, mutantdevle wrote:I have reads written out in a rough draft of my post that I plan to make when I am lynched but I think they need some work. In general, I'm not willing to post my reads yet until either I'm forced to by being lynched or later during the day. (I've previously been scrutinised for posting reads too early in the game since joining this site).
Oh honey, no. That's... yikes. That's one way to swing the meter away from VI, I guess.
In post 227, wilky wrote:
In post 226, Creature wrote:I've used genuine and forced because:
Town will naturally look town, aka genuine.
Scum will try to look town, aka forced.
Not having this as a valid way to get out of it all.
VOTE: Creature
So far there I think Scum could include:
Not fully convinced that Mutant is town I think as i've said a few times most things he's done could be attributed to idiot town or too scum.
Kinda feeling this right now, Creature has stopped dropping The Tell at this point
In post 228, Creature wrote:I've made it pretty clear:
mutantdevle did something antitown, but not necessarily scummy. Maybe he thought it was the best play for town and he looks pretty newb to me.
tbh the reason I'm townreading him is not because of his rolefish, which can be ambiguous.
I'm townreading him because he still keeps producing content in a way I find genuine.
I'm against the wagon because it reached the point it's a wagon to lynch. mutantdevle is already posting content and there should have enough out of him to sort, so the wagon on him must be to lynch.
I'm mainly afraid he might end just being a newbtown and it would mean we wasted an entire day on him, and we'll possibly have to start from zero next day with two less town.
I'm proposing for us to leave the wagon for now, doesn't mean we shouldn't revisit it if we end to the conclusion he's scum, but that's just later. Instead, we keep hunting for scum without the mindset of "mutant must be scum". We could always return to his wagon anyway.
At this point people have pointed out like half a dozen "slips" in Mutant's posting that look like utter hot trash but Creature is still ride-or-die-ing this shit and it feels like someone who knows exactly how Mutant is gonna flip
In post 230, Creature wrote:Mafia is much more complex than simply picking a mistake and associating it to scum.
This is also horrifically reductive and not the point people were making at all
In post 279, Chip Butty wrote:I'm tempted to policy vote Pisskop, but these useless playstyles usually turn out to be town, in my experience. But no lylo for him if he doesn't start contributing at some point.
Completely ignores Chip Butty's vote on him. "Hey KidAmn, that's weird, why would he do that?" Well said, Billy. This is what we call 'distancing' and it's a typical scumtell.
In post 301, pisskop wrote:that coma is extraneous.
I'll trust to you lot that lynching my slot is a really shitty copout
Remember when I said that anti-town isn't always scum? Yeah, this is the kind of shitter I was talking about.
Hey look Billy, they're at it again! Oh those scamps.
In post 383, mutantdevle wrote:I'd also encourage people to check out CommKnight's meta. The basic conclusion that I'd draw from it is that he seems to be more active in most other games than he is in this one.
Posted right after CommKnight goes V/LA. Presented without comment.
In post 329, Creature wrote:I think Comm's general inactivity is more likely to come from scum.
In post 345, Creature wrote:I'm gonna show you one scum who's just in the background watching town eat itself:
VOTE: CommKnight
Because you provided so much...
Pisskop finally realises they're gonna get the rope and starts wordvomiting. 'tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Congrats on making yourself so easily wagonable that there's literally no information to be gained from it, I guess.
In post 429, Creature wrote:Huh yeah, there are plenty of good lynch options.
Too bad the top two wagons are bad lynch options.
In post 487, Lalendra wrote: In post 486, Creature wrote:
Anyone who somehow got to the conclusion pisskop and mutant are both scum with me as scum defending them and still somehow defends it without ever doubting.
Which is who? I feel like you're making soft pushes without really naming names, and leaving yourself room to change your mind later.
Hard townread.
Oh my god literally 10 posts in a row by ChipButty, condense your fucking thoughtstream bro