Open 704: Switch (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.02

mutantdevle (3) - Elmo TeH AzN, Mathdino, Maxous
havingfitz (2) - Almost50, Chip Butty
Maxous (2) - Lalendra, Sauce
Not_Mafia (1) - Bins
Sauce (1) - Not_Mafia

Not Voting (3) - Raya36, havingfitz, mutantdevle

With 12 votes, it will take 7 to reach majority.

The deadline is Thursday, January 4, 2018, at 8:00 AM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2018-01-04 08:00:00).

[Lalendra]

Why did you choose to vote Elmo, who you have as null, instead of Mutant, who appears to be your strongest scumread (given that you acknowledge your read on Bins could change)?

Because I'm more interested in sorting Elmo than I am in OMGUS voting/1v1ing a guy, when that scumread could just be me being irrational. Elmo is null because one post reads town and one post reads scum. I wanna flesh that shit out more.

I like this response. Feeling pretty good about your slot atm, don't muck it up. (Unless you're scum, in which case muck away)

Maybe 'trying a bit too hard to be jokey'?

idk, still kinda rubbed me the wrong way

I mean, I could rub you the other way if you want me to?

ew lol

[havingfitz]

Lalendra feels town to me. Math probably as well.

[havingfitz]

I'm more discouraging policy lynches

Are you in a lot of games where policy lynches are going on? Was there a reason you thought there might be one in this game? I can remember the last time I was in a game with a policy lynch.

Would Not_Mafia lolhammer someone he wasn't scum-reading?

UNVOTE:

What does this line of enquiry have to do with scum hunting? Are you just trying to look busy?

VOTE: HavingFitz

You could be a little busier.

I've never been in a game where someone was worried about policy lynches right from the start. It struck me as odd and I wanted more detail. More oddness in the response could lead to finding scum. Aka scumhunting. How is that not obvious to you?

[Sauce]

Oh. I thought it didn't have anything to do with scumhunting, and found it odd for him to ask what it did, and vote like based on that.

[Raya36]

Early townreads on Math and Chip

Because you post walls a ton of them. But that's merely opinion.

So you vote me because of a null read.

So why your vote on me and not mafia who is unreadable is that for the whole game or just at the start?

Don't like this responce to being voted.

Lalendra feels town to me. Math probably as well.

What about Lalendra feels town to you? I have her as null.

[Bins]

Not feeling mutant scum.
Math is probably not scum as well considering the stubbornness. I find it funny because my RVS votes in games with N_M are pretty consistent.

VOTE: Elmo

[Not_Mafia]

Breath of the Wild

[Mathdino]

I've never been in a game where someone was worried about policy lynches right from the start. It struck me as odd and I wanted more detail. More oddness in the response could lead to finding scum. Aka scumhunting. How is that not obvious to you?

This is a good answer.

Also I just got some good nostalgia reading over all the times I've suggested policy lynching annoying players.

So you vote me because of a null read.

So why your vote on me and not mafia who is unreadable is that for the whole game or just at the start?

Don't like this responce to being voted.

I like you but all your reads except me are backwards. What about the response is weird?

Not feeling mutant scum.
Math is probably not scum as well considering the stubbornness. I find it funny because my RVS votes in games with N_M are pretty consistent.

VOTE: Elmo

This feels opportunistic. I do, however, agree that the mutant wagon feels like mislynch bait.

UNVOTE: mutant
I could also see it being scum driven.

VOTE: Bins
Sheep me, let's go

[Maxous]

Uhh, I hope this doesn't seem like I'm copying Math too much but yes,

VOTE: Bins

The unexplained vote on Elmo was poor

[Almost50]

@mutant: Gun to your head; where would you vote?

@N_M: How long do you intend to keep your TVS vote on sauce?

@fitz: I want to move my RVS vote off you, but I don't seem to have a target to vote. Ant reason why you aren't voting someone yourself?

[mutantdevle]

@mutant: Gun to your head; where would you vote?

Probably Sauce. Their posts feel distracting and don't really contribute anything despite having the second most posts so far. Though I guess that's kinda hypocritical of me since I haven't really done anything yet. I had to re-read the entire thread to reach that conclusion though. The re-read has probably made me more interested in the game so I should be posting better quality now.

Sadly for Elmo, that means potential walls

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Sadly for Elmo, that means potential walls

At least spoiler it.

[Raya36]

I like you but all your reads except me are backwards. What about the response is weird?

You clearly explained that you were voting her because you read one of her posts as scum and one as town and you were voting as an attempt to sort her better. Her then saying why are you voting me, a null read, instead of NM, your other null read, comes across as overlooking the main point of the vote and a bit defensive. Your vote was clearly there just to get more out of her and from a town perspective I would expect someone to instead of responding to the post in a defensive way to post other things to help others sort them.

It just doesn't make sense to me for someone to vote someone because they want to pressure them to make them easier to sort, then that person, instead of trying to produce more content so they can be sorted easier, posts in responce to the vote defensively.

How are my other reads backwards? I have Chip as a townlean and Lalendra as null. (Also have Elmo as null leaning scum.) Can you explain your strong townread on Lalendra? Also what are your thoughts on Chip and Elmo?

Going to put mt vote here
VOTE: Elmo

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Raya

[Mathdino]

How are my other reads backwards? I have Chip as a townlean and Lalendra as null. (Also have Elmo as null leaning scum.) Can you explain your strong townread on Lalendra? Also what are your thoughts on Chip and Elmo?

I love your reasoning on Elmo from a rhetorical standpoint but I think defenciveness is an overused scumtell, especially on experienced players. You're right that Elmo had no reason to be defencive about my vote. Which is why I don't think it was defenciveness, more confused flailing attempted scumhunting. The meta on this site is, in my experience, to just ignore early votes on you if you don't want to be scumread.

VOTE: mutantdevle
No walls from you kthx

Like Fitz just said though. Let's say the big takes a shot and misses. You then have what a 75% chance of nailing scum and then granted if I did quick math it's lylo but the odds are very heavily in towns favor for an actual win of the game.

Your Meta is to be a nit picky with your vote. And you like walls.

1st post reads town on gut. 2nd post reads scum because it's like it's talking to the town being like "Hey it's not unfair, you guys have a chance". 3rd post is ancillarily helpful in an unfortunately low effort way. At the very least I can appreciate the utility of the Elmo wagon pressuring her to actually do something, but her response leans town.

Lalendra's actions all seem focused around getting scum. She pressures me and gets me to explain myself more instead of pouncing on me, then announces the results of that pressure.

Chip's "what does this have to do with scumhunting?" question was reasonable but the "are you trying to look busy????" is classic suspicion-throwing in the form of asking dumb questions that amount to "are you scum using [x] strategy?" which everyone will always answer 'no' to.

Almost50, mutant, Elmo, Not_Mafia

, sheep me, let's get a good wagon going.

I like Raya as a player (I read through your Newbie scum game with nancy, respect for that) but I'm getting a lot of scum motivation from that post. N_M's vote is good but I think better served on Bins.

[mutantdevle]

Almost50, mutant, Elmo, Not_Mafia, sheep me, let's get a good wagon going.

Why? The game is fresh and not really much has happened. I don't get why you'd want a wagon on Bins, any particular reason? I don't really see anything wrong with her posts, or anything at all for that matter. So if this wagon is simply just to apply pressure to her to make her talk more then I can get on board with that. If there's some other reason you are voting for her though then I'd love to hear it. However typically, I don't tend to sheep.

[Mathdino]

Why? The game is fresh and not really much has happened. I don't get why you'd want a wagon on Bins, any particular reason? I don't really see anything wrong with her posts, or anything at all for that matter. So if this wagon is simply just to apply pressure to her to make her talk more then I can get on board with that. If there's some other reason you are voting for her though then I'd love to hear it. However typically, I don't tend to sheep.

Her Elmo wagon is shit, and yes more pressure is good; Bins is hard to read exactly because of her low amount of content.

I know you're apparently finicky with your vote (well I only know that from what Elmo said) but more wagoning is great for later analysis.

Alternatively, if you vote Raya I'll sheep you on that. But I think Bins is a better wagon.

[Sauce]

But I think Bins is a better wagon

.. because you think the formation of the wagon she contributed to on page 2 is lynch bait.

[Mathdino]

But I think Bins is a better wagon

.. because you think the formation of the wagon she contributed to on page 2 is lynch bait.

read my ISO again if you have to

then read the whole thread again because I wanna know your reads

[Almost50]

@mutant: Gun to your head; where would you vote?

Probably Sauce. Their posts feel distracting and don't really contribute anything despite having the second most posts so far. Though I guess that's kinda hypocritical of me since I haven't really done anything yet. I had to re-read the entire thread to reach that conclusion though. The re-read has probably made me more interested in the game so I should be posting better quality now.

Sadly for Elmo, that means potential walls

I agree sauce has been kinda skating by but who isn't at this point? I don't anyone (including myself) has done anything that I could point out ans say: "Oh! That's Townie enough.", which is giving me pause.

Thanks for the answer, and I out sauce under consideration.

[Sauce]

I mean .. I'm getting confused as a consequence of reading what you're apparently thinking, Dinomath. That's why I'm not making any sense anymore. It's obviously your fault I'm mixing up Bins with Elmo. How can a two-vote wagon on page 2 be lynch bait? How does one think like that?

[Sauce]

My judgement is impaired, therefore any reads I might have at this time need reconsidering, and don't warrant being made public.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Raya

LOL! Should I sheep this? (Note: Not really. I don't see anything scummy coming from Raya yet, but your performance in the last couple of games we played together makes me think you might've noticed something I didn't).

[Sauce]

Anyway the mutantdevle is a wagon I imagine scum would join at the time Maxous did, so I like my vote there.