Open 703: Masons and Mafia Town Win!

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA from the 21st to the 25th, Going out of town for Christmas

In other news I think it may not be the worst thing for someone to fakeclaim mason as VT.

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VOTE: Almost50
I'm 65% on him having ill intent with his erratic posting.

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Why is erratic posting scummy?

Seems more like a town trait at this stage of _the game_

It's not his norm and I feel it draws toward the scumplay I pegged a hydra of his for once.
Also What's up with the underscores? Where've you been where that is text formatting code? Serious question.

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11 is one of my favorite numbers

VOTE: havingfitz

VOTE: Hongzi

Get off the hero that won the previous game for the town (as in the last game we played together, not the same setup)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Didn't like post 21. Encouraging town to fakeclaim enables the option of scum claiming mason and not getting cc'd as real masons won't know if fakeclaims are town or scum.

I was just spitballing ideas pal. Probably wasn't the best idea in hindsight.

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That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.

Why?

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@almost50 while I agree it was a stupid plan wouldn't the goons know that they aren't 1 shot from their role PM, and thus wouldn't make such a statement to me this makes me more likely to think comm is a townie

IDK I'll read the OP again but for now it's NAI

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I'm kinda offput by the amount of pushback Comm is receiving but A50 has some sound reasoning in his most recent post so I'll think on it a bit.

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My scumfuck sense is tingling

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That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.

Why?

I'm also gonna give some space, but I need to note this is "posturing" and doesn't look good for you, as it's self-evident I hard TR fitz for his overall posting, and especially for his #80 which had just preceded my quoted declaration. Do you really think it needed explanation?

With that level of confidence yes, it DOES need explanation.

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Fuck, I really meant TwoInAMillion when I said CommKnight.

unvote

gonna look rq at Twoey's ISO because that math was erratic

This was 3 hours ago wtf pal

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I think my biggest issue with A50 right now is how surface-level his play feels this game.

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I have half a mind to quit this game already just because I already suspect almost everyone

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It crossed my mind that statement might be confusing. I'm saying that because I have so many suspects I doubt I'll be able to play well and as such am considering letting someone less confused take my place.

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A50, It seems you missed the last post I made. I'm saying that I don't feel like I can properly organize the actual suspicion from me being cheesed off at certain things.

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A50, It seems you missed the last post I made. I'm saying that I don't feel like I can properly organize the actual suspicion from me being cheesed off at certain things.

Why can't you try harder? I mean this IS the game of Mafia, right? You are clueless (if you're Town) and you try to figure things out, while Scum try to confuse you and lead you astray.

Also, I hate the very concept of joining a game then replacing out. It's a matter of respect to your fellow players as well as the mod IMHO. I'd understand if you had something unpredictable popping up IRL, or if you got into a quarrel with someone that it became toxic for the two of you to be in the same game.. I WOULD appreciate that, but replacing out because you're confused just doesn't qualify as a valid reason to quit a game you willingly signed up to and have us wait for a replacement.

So, regardless of you alignment I really hope you stay and try to play the game (and if you're Town I hope you help us win it too).

Thanks. I have a plan in place fyi. I'm going to put points for and against each player and determine which suspicions are good leads. fyi this is a private thing, so I probably won't be sharing.

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@TIAM and rb:

why did you guys vote for JunkoChan?

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"Daykill: At any time in the game, you may PM the moderator a daykill attempt. If that player is a Mason they will die. If the player is a Townie, the kill backfires and you will suicide."

^ My bad, I assume all day-kill abilities are 1-shot and the way it's worded, it's like, it either fails or succeeds, but that's the attempt and it's done and over with. But 1 scum being able to make MULTIPLE attempts upon being right with their first one? That I didn't consider even remotely possible so I didn't ask for clarification like A50 did.

But I'm sorta LOL'ing. Most people I have played with here, so I'm going to be a threat to a few if they're scum this game. So they better hope they kill me quickly. Which brings me to A50's push on me. He knows I'm dangerous to scum as town. Which is interesting that he pushes me early D1.

My plan wasn't fool-proof and now with comments on it, it's now obvious why (main reason being mafia have multiple shots). See, the plan was to make them afraid of losing a mafia kill and make them misfire and even cause a situation where masons could all out with 1 scum alive to auto-win. Scum would kill 1 mason, but the other 3 would be alive. But since ANY mafia can shoot multiple times, that blows that plan out of the water.

Also lol at "Comm went silent". You know, there's this thing called a JOB. It is 8+hours. I disappear from here when I'm working. it happens. Same thing when I sleep.

Anyway, I don't mind being lynched because right now the wagon on me is full of shitty information.

What do you mean by shitty information?

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I feel like there is some sorting that could be done.

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My scumfuck sense is tingling

thanks for not giving any reads, and just casting shade.(on who anyway lol)
happy to lynch gamma, lets go.

I was saying I suspected someone without telling them I suspected them specifically. I was referring to Hongzi going softball on TIAM. I'm also not a fan of him just voting me without precedent.
Something I noted: since mafia don't have communication, they can't inform each other of their targets to warn of VTs
Gonna note I'm liking moz for town rn, so I have someone I can trust

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Which wagon are we doing? Gamma Emerald looks fruitful because he might start town spewing or spewing bullshit. Everyone else in my probscum list I want to observe a little more first.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'm trying to be more controlled with my posting this game, and maybe that's having an influence on reads on me.

@Hongzi, 2iam, jzhenson:

why are you voting me?

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Ok so I checked the last game both me and Almost50 were starters for and yeah his posting was similar to here.
UNVOTE: Almost50 while I determine if my other gripe (surface level play) is worth still voting him for.

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Yeah I have to say A50 has fixed his play

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rb I remember you once saying you could play several town games but a single scum game would cause problems. Is that relevant?

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@Hongzi, 2iam, jzhenson:

why are you voting me?

I made a scumread on you and voted my strongest scumread. Why do you keep insinuating that I have no rationale for my vote?

I'm not, it's just I think I know why everyone else did and I want to know your reason. And why isn't 2iam stronger?

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Stop giving joke answers to my questions.

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Don't care. It feels like you're trying to discredit my attempts to interrogate people.

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Without precedent means there was no visible suspicion before then. As for why remain on A50 it was that plus his erratic opening. The opening is resolved and I see he's deepened his logic. And you know, the best way to prove you have rationale for your vote it to present it.

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So, your continued assertion that I had no rationale is a contradiction. Other players had doubts about your claims of erratic posting, doubts which you never addressed and yet you continue to defend reasoning you have since abandoned.

Let's presuppose that you are town and this is a misguided wagon. Who's the scum in it? Work with the town, not bristle against everything in the town.

I had interpreted that as something else. It mainly seems to be playstyle.
I'm not certain there even is scum on my wagon. I don't think it's you at this point, and I can see mozamis has decent rationale. That leave 2iam, fitz, and jz. I haven't really looked at jz or 2iam, and fitz seems to have decent logic but I have a gut feeling there's something malicious there.

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18: RVS
67: kinda makes sense
85: raises good points imo
99: more good points
126: I feel his criticism is legitimate, it's the same reason I got the feeling Hongzi was scum from that post saying he would analyze 2iam
216: not really much here

So jz seems somewhat towny at this point.

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But they're good theory points, where scum would try to mislead moe often.

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ok I think I was just cheesed off at fitz talking down me being open about things, not suspecting him much currently

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in case it wasn't clear 266 is a continuation of 260

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1) tf? That's not a scumtell.
2) I wrote off the logic as something else. Also I had things to post about then.
And how is what I'm doing "survival mode"?

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You've upped your game dramatically since you've been near lynch.
There was a lot of discussion going on which you didn't comment on at all. That can be a scumtell because scum know what is being discussed doesn't matter. Town would have commente don what was going on.

OK, though remember I had a lot of confusion for a bit of time. I wasn't sure what to think for a few pages.

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Well the thing is I was already hyperaware of possible bad reasoning for suspicion from me so I was looking at my suspicions to see if OMGUS was present.

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While I'm not too pleased Moz is reading me the way he is it makes sense how he's getting to that idea so I don't think he's scum for that, CK.

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wavemode

CommKnight

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havingfitz

humaneatingmonkey

rb

jzhenson93
MawhrinSkel

JunkoChan

mozamis

Hongzi

TwoInAMillion

Almost50

VOTE: Almost50

Reasons, anything?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I

see

them?

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Please do.

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So the votes that matter from jz's ISO. rb and Gamma. Most likely town for those two. But TIAM and Junko could be possible busses since the first was in joke stage and Junko was final vote before sending in a kill, probably hoping to get people off of Junko somehow?

Either way, 1 down, 3 to go.

This makes sense.

Scum has no chat.

We need to lynch Gamma. I agree that day timers are irrelevant at this point and that we should take time for reads. But we need to lynch Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Interesting how you are so adamant about voting me.

How am I scum if gamma is town?

yeah this guy probably is scum.
He's too worried about whether people will scum read him or not, he's not looking FOR scum.

Good point, if he's scum he knows I'm town and as such is scared of that associative.

A50 is definitely scum. But we should lynch Gamma first to be sure.

You keep saying these things with no backing. Mind explaining yourself?

Look at how you deduced that how Gamma was the kill and then you'll scratch your head as well.

How about the fact multiple people have said "mason or mafia" wrt my not having been lynched. The mafia know I'm not them so they're left to conclude I'm a mason. As such they'll be inclined to shoot me.

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Case against Gamma

1) Kicks off with rolefishing:

In other news I think it may not be the worst thing for someone to fakeclaim mason as VT.

2)

That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.

Why?

Almost had already explain this. A made up question.

Then proceeds to Tr everyone on his wagon. Cant see town doing this.
Just dont see any real scumhuntign from him at all.

How is number 1 rolefishing?
Also I'll need to look over the entire situation but I think I might vote wavemode. FYI my reads at this point are something like
Myself
Almost50 (early defense of me day 2 points to being town), mozamis (logic makes sense FOR THE MOST PART)
JunkoChan (pushed by jz), Hongzi (voting patterns suggest he's not aligned with jz)
CommKnight (seems to be trying to help town. I believe their flip could be informative either way though), rb (attitude seems towny), fitz (Thinking for themselves)
MawhrinSkel (not much to go on yet)
HEM (Has been adamant about lynching me, though probably not mafia with TIAM)
TIAM (seemed to be afraid of me flipping town implicating them), wavemode (reads are all over the place and may be BS)
PEdit: with Skel's last post I'd say they're at about the same level as HEM due to his read looking very out of date.

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While I don't see where wavemode said their first readslist was bad I still feel they are not explainng nearly as much as they should, and I also feel his calling Hongzi's points against him was wrong, as Hongzi's points were true.
VOTE: wavemode

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L-2 fyi

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The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You don't get a reprieve just because scum flipped.You're still responsible for explaining yourself.

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Mmmm, nah fam. Pretty sure only scum throw out nonsense reads to save their own skin. I'm not going to magically conjure up a reads list worth dick because you keep shouting at me to. I'll evaluate the game over time and figure out who really is scum

You already gave a worthless read list lmao that's why you're scumread

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The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You don't get a reprieve just because scum flipped.You're still responsible for explaining yourself.

that's dumb

and you're both town

stop it

It's not dumb it's accountability

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Well I'm fairly sure Monkey is town at this point

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VOTE: MawhrinSkel

Why this rather than almost50? Weren't you calling him scum before?

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What about JC and hong?

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Both

flipped scum voted JC. Hong voted both flipped scum. Worth considering atm

Hard to call a wagon with 1 scum loaded with them huh

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What about JC and hong?

lots of questions and no reads! thanks gamma.
LYNCH THIS.

One second

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Case against Gamma

1) Kicks off with rolefishing:

In other news I think it may not be the worst thing for someone to fakeclaim mason as VT.

2)

That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.

Why?

Almost had already explain this. A made up question.

Then proceeds to Tr everyone on his wagon. Cant see town doing this.
Just dont see any real scumhuntign from him at all.

How is number 1 rolefishing?
Also I'll need to look over the entire situation but I think I might vote wavemode. FYI my reads at this point are something like
Myself
Almost50 (early defense of me day 2 points to being town), mozamis (logic makes sense FOR THE MOST PART)
JunkoChan (pushed by jz), Hongzi (voting patterns suggest he's not aligned with jz)
CommKnight (seems to be trying to help town. I believe their flip could be informative either way though), rb (attitude seems towny), fitz (Thinking for themselves)
MawhrinSkel (not much to go on yet)
HEM (Has been adamant about lynching me, though probably not mafia with TIAM)
TIAM (seemed to be afraid of me flipping town implicating them), wavemode (reads are all over the place and may be BS)
PEdit: with Skel's last post I'd say they're at about the same level as HEM due to his read looking very out of date.

What do you see here mozamis?

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

No. Monkey raised a good point about tiam

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I'm town because the wagon on me was utter ass. Anyone competent could see that even before the TIAM flip

How was it ass if 4 town were on it

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If it was utter ass...who was scum on it? Just TIAM with the 5th vote near the end? Or was your wagon town driven? In which case you are absolutely in no way cleared.

It was ass because I'm obvtown

Junko is still a possibility as scum, I suppose

obvtown how?

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obvtown how?

To the discerning eye

I looked. I saw nothing of the sort. Stop being a shit and actually explain

anything

.

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Because you're saying you're

obv

town. That means there's something that everyone can see that should point to you being town. Tell me if it's anything you posted for starters. jsyk I'm not doing this because I'm trying to corner you, I'm actually curious as to what would make you obvtown.

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That's not obvtown. But it is an explanation, so I'll stop riding you so hard.

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That's not obvtown. But it is an explanation, so I'll stop riding you so hard.

This is a SFW only site please Gamma

Sorry for innuendo but I didn't mean it that way

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I've legit heard it in that context irl, stop

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HEM stop being an idiot

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Checking out, won't be here for five days or so

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Wow, gg all