Mini 1968: Bread uPick: The Baker's Dozen: Endgame

[Gorkington]

lol

[jjh927]

Ectomancer replaces CityElectric and Dunkerdoodles replaces Fenraiser!

Votecount 1.08

Fykus	L-3	McMenno, Whemestar, Wormhole, Smocaine
Chickadee	L-5	Dunkerdoodles, Gorkington
Dunkerdoodles	L-5	Chickadee, drealmerz
Firebringer	L-6	MisaTange
drealmerz7	L-6	Creature
MisaTange	L-6	Firebringer
Not Voting	---	Ectomancer, Fykus

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-28 02:15:00).

[Firebringer]

Modkill cheetory pls

[Fykus]

Read on worm: for about the last 6 months every game with skitter I was in I'd go straight to assuming that skitter was scum. Obviously this was a dumb thing to do considering the actual "chance" of her rolling scum. So i've stopped doing that, plus the way the hydra is posting, it seems to be actually trying to gamesolve so even though theres a chance it could be scum and just going through the motions I'm just gonna give it a chance for now and consider it town. Obviously my reads arent locked in so I dont see it as a big deal.

Fen I can't remember why I townread, I think i possibly liked a couple of their posts as i was reading through.

What caused this change? It's obviously irrational to just assume someone is scum but if you understood this, you'd never do it to begin with. Why would you do it every game until now but suddenly realize in this game that it's a dumb thing to do?

Can you link the Fenraiser posts that you liked and explain why you liked them? While you're at it, I also want to hear why Firebringer is a townread and Drealmerz is a scumread.

-BV

Ok so I just re-read fens posts and i think what i liked about them overall was that there was a lot of poking/prodding/questioning which seemed to be trying to get some content happening in an attempt to gamesolve. There arent any "specific" posts, its more of an overall vibe thing i guess. But I'll withhold my judgement until the replacement comes in and posts, I guess itll be easier to give a better read of the slot then.

As for not scum reading skitter, i think in our last game it turned out she was town with me for once i think. maybe. Anyways it was stupid what I was doing so ive stopped. Unless you'd rather me do it again?

Fire has a town vibe.

As for drealm i guess its his tone. That plus he doesnt seem to be attempting to gamesolve. Plus this recent one is pretty sketch.

egh

VOTE: fenraiser

let's just kill something

[Smocaine]

Hear that Dreal? Vote Fykus

Wormwhole, how much is Skitskit posting?

[Chickadee]

Sorry I know I haven't been super active. I've been traveling, and tomorrow I have another full day of driving ahead of me. I'll try to get on when I arrive at my destination.

In the mean time, I look forward to seeing what the replacements come up with, if we get them anytime soon.

[Fykus]

@jj noodle snacks are we gonna get a christmas extension or is it business as usual?

[Firebringer]

This game is boring

[McMenno]

ur boring

[Firebringer]

Shut up mcmemester

[drealmerz7]

sure, somehow I missed important details, like deadline and the VC

VOTE: fykus

[MisaTange]

Also apologies for inactivity, I've been moving today

Agree with the general idea that 495 is bad

[skitter30]

Gork, what do you think of Fykus?

@Creature:

Why are you townreading McMenno and Smocaine?

Read on worm: for about the last 6 months every game with skitter I was in I'd go straight to assuming that skitter was scum. Obviously this was a dumb thing to do considering the actual "chance" of her rolling scum. So i've stopped doing that, plus the way the hydra is posting, it seems to be actually trying to gamesolve so even though theres a chance it could be scum and just going through the motions I'm just gonna give it a chance for now and consider it town. Obviously my reads arent locked in so I dont see it as a big deal.

As for not scum reading skitter, i think in our last game it turned out she was town with me for once i think. maybe. Anyways it was stupid what I was doing so ive stopped. Unless you'd rather me do it again?

Right, and in each of those games, I've pointed out that probability doesn't work that way, so I'm not sure where this sudden epiphany came from. And you're paranoid of my scumgame and that I can look townie by gamesolving, so me trying to gamesolve absolves this paranoia how exactly?

Hear that Dreal? Vote Fykus

Wormwhole, how much is Skitskit posting?

Up through and including 429, everything was me except for like three posts BV made that he signed. Everything after that until this post was him; I'm v/la on Friday and Saturday.

--s

[Wormhole]

Gork, what do you think of Fykus?

@Creature:

Why are you townreading McMenno and Smocaine?

Read on worm: for about the last 6 months every game with skitter I was in I'd go straight to assuming that skitter was scum. Obviously this was a dumb thing to do considering the actual "chance" of her rolling scum. So i've stopped doing that, plus the way the hydra is posting, it seems to be actually trying to gamesolve so even though theres a chance it could be scum and just going through the motions I'm just gonna give it a chance for now and consider it town. Obviously my reads arent locked in so I dont see it as a big deal.

As for not scum reading skitter, i think in our last game it turned out she was town with me for once i think. maybe. Anyways it was stupid what I was doing so ive stopped. Unless you'd rather me do it again?

Right, and in each of those games, I've pointed out that probability doesn't work that way, so I'm not sure where this sudden epiphany came from. And you're paranoid of my scumgame and that I can look townie by gamesolving, so me trying to gamesolve absolves this paranoia how exactly?

Hear that Dreal? Vote Fykus

Wormwhole, how much is Skitskit posting?

Up through and including 429, everything was me except for like three posts BV made that he signed. Everything after that until this post was him; I'm v/la on Friday and Saturday.

--s

Whoops

[Dunkerdoodles]

hi whos scum

[jjh927]

@jj noodle snacks are we gonna get a christmas extension or is it business as usual?

Do you normally ask to open your Christmas presents early? You'll probably get something because I'm pretty sure Christmas is an everyone-V/LA day. Also, votecount was updated and Ectomancer replaced CityElectric and Dunkerdoodles replaced Fenraiser.

[Fykus]

sup dunk, you scum?

also to appease skitter ill now class worm as a scum read.

[Ectomancer]

Hello. I have some light Christmas reading to get to over the next couple of days. I hope you all have a wonderful time with your families while I get to it.

[Creature]

I'm fine leaving our slot's vote on him while we wait for him to come do stuff. But I'm happy to discuss other reads. Why are you townreading McMenno and Smocaine?

Because meta I don't want to reveal rn.

[Smocaine]

Creature has never misread me. Trust this blue thing

[Gorkington]

kind of feel like we should be getting a fykus claim now.

[Firebringer]

Hi gorkington

[Chickadee]

I don’t know that I really need to say it, because most of us are in the holiday season, but I won’t be active tonight or tomorrow

v/la until Thursday night

[Dunkerdoodles]

oh right i replaced into this
i'll read up over the holidays i guess

[Dunkerdoodles]

@MOD if you know how to spoiler this without ruining the other spoilers please do so

for the rest of you i'm sorry.
also i'm not giving reasoning for any of these, so don't ask.

I've been waiting for a month to vote a hydra in RvS.

VOTE: Wormhole

There we go

Forced.

VOTE: creature

Null.

I'm bready to play

Alright...

Actually VOTE: especiallythelies

Genuine.

VOTE: dreal. I'm explicitly not bready.

Smocaine-Indicative.

i dont know who to vote s:
omg

Null.

VOTE: gorkington
Use RNG.

Meh.

Actually VOTE: especiallythelies

why that instead of the other?

You-tried.

anyone want to rollclaim?

haha

Bad,

how about get baked with me?

Forced.

miller claim + this post = locktown

i can pretty much promise you with some degree of certainty that with the two posts creature has already made in this game, hes probably never flipping scum.

hmm

VOTE: Dreal

Serious vote this is scum

hard agree

creature cant post like that as scum.

huh?

VOTE: Dreal

Serious vote this is scum

what? fuck you're terrible at this game

i think scum reaction not sure, he took this way to seriously where town probably doesn't actually believe this read early game.

creature cant post like that as scum.

When you say "can't", are you saying you don't believe he would post that way as scum, or are you saying there's some other reason he physically cannot post a specific way as scum?

Do you have any examples?

-1

Dreal's vote is bad

this post is meaningless

why do you think it is bad?

I think me and ETL are the only 2 players who have actually shown thought behind their votes

learn what bad means pls

dreal + etl?

this game can't possibly be this easy

@Worm

RvS to answer your question.

I feel like I already explained myself with creature, so I'll clarify. Miller claims are either lynched early on or widely townread (depending on set-up in addition). It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.

I don't exactly see how playing off-site would help, but yes, I have played off-site more than on MS.

It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.

I mean, scum fake claiming miller is a thing that happens day 1. He never got lynched.

And here's another day1 scum!miller claim that didn't get lynched for several days

I could prob rustle up some more examples, but those are the two instances I knew about off the top of my head.

So scum fake-claiming miller day 1 is def a thing that happens.

I do believe that it's town-motivated to claim miller early, as miller claims on later days are kinda dangerous, but I wouldn't give someone a townlean solely because of a miller claim on page 1.

It looks nice, and while both scum and town can miller claim, I'm more inclined for the claim to come from town more than scum imo.

And since we agree that both scum and town can claim miller, I'm not really seeing why you think Creature's claim here is more likely to come from town.
--s

both of these are town

Votecount 1.04

EspeciallyTheLies	L-2	Fykus, Smocaine, Creature, Fenraiser, McMenno
Smocaine	L-5	Gorkington, drealmerz
MisaTange	L-6	EspeciallyTheLies
drealmerz7	L-6	Whemestar
Not Voting	---	CityElectric, Firaja, Wormhole, MisaTange

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-28 02:15:00).

This isn't a pagetop! Are you trying to poison me?

wow that dreal wagon died quick and 4 people voted etl in a row. dunno what to make of it, but theres not more then 1 scum in those 4 (smocaine, creature, fen, mcmenno)

I never said the bolded. Your parner (s) seemed to misread my earlier words regarding creature and the miller claim.

(There's two of us btw. Me and BV).

Fair enough. I read that as you saying that you thought miller claims were null, so I didn't get how you went from 'early miller claims are null' to 'creature claimed miller early, so he is a townlean'.

Regarding Dreal, it's not that I don't realize he can have a different opinion, it's that I want to understand his opinion about Creature better, and that is why I've been asking him questions about Creature to clarify things. Initially, I thought he jumped the gun on Creature, but I looked back at his posts and saw that he voted Creature after Creature didn't say flavor after the claim and he implied that Creature strayed from their town meta. So, I kind of see the progression and I unvoted, although I wanted to see more elaboration on the Creature meta.

I guess I can kinda follow this, but not really? The context of your unvote is kinda bothering me, given that you make a post reaffirming your reason for voting Dreal (79), and make it seem there like you want more info about Creature's meta before you can determine if Dreal's suspicion is warranted, and then unvote before you hear from Dreal. The unvote really stood out as being really out of place given the context, especially since you didn't yet get that elaboration of Creature's meta and Dreal didn't post in that time.

It does not ring well. I can understand if Creature was straight up scumread by Wormhole, but I don't think a null read can give this type of response because it betrays too much concern of how people sees himself/herself, albeit very slight. There seems to be a bit of self-preservation thrown in there as well in the bolded lines.

I don't get this. I don't think it betrays too much concern of how people see him, so much as showing that he's very self-aware of how he'd react as scum in that situation and why he wouldn't do that as scum. I don't really see self-preservation or worry about he's being perceived. This seems kinda reachy to me.

And you went from voting Dreal for having a scumread on Creature you didn't understand, to unvoting Dreal before you heard from him, to voting Creature with Dreal.

I dunno. The progression is weird and doesn't make much sense to me.

VOTE: Fenraiser

the problem is

I was voting Wormhole, not dreal.

I ain't voting anyone that I don't think we'll get information out of.

What does the bolded mean?

Where was I scumread by Wormhole btw?

You weren't. I'm nulltown on you. BV's concerned that you don't match the towngames he'd seen with you, but he's tending to thinking that you're town here. Neither of were scumreading you at any point.

VOTE: especiallythelies. This dude has 3 posts and voted someone for adding a question mark to their post. I think that's scummy as hell.

I think she's v/la on weekends. Although the question mark post was a tad odd, I agree.

Spoiler:

What would you call it from your POV?

Probably a reminder.

It can't be self-preservation because there was no threat of me being lynched.

Alright. You do make a fair point in terms of self-preservation.

Prodge

I'm down to PLing this one if this behavior continues.

VOTE: ETL

It was never self-preservation in the first place, so I don't really get why you framed that post that way. Still hate your Creature vote; like I said above, I think that post is really reachy. And you ceding that point here is kinda weird after you made a big thing about voting Creature here for it.

Unfortunately Fykus prodges a lot and isn't super-high content. It also isn't AI for him.

I don't especially like how fast this ETL wagon built tbh.

--s

i could read this as trying to take pressure off etl, but that might be a bit confbias

ETL is bad lynch today[/quo
could see whemestar as scum

fire is town

competing lame lurker wagons go:
VOTE: fykus

very random

also kinda forgot i replaced into fen's slot while writing this so i may or may not of put some of fens posts in here by accident.

that's pages 1-10
i probably won't do the rest cause im lazy but ill still read it