Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[Xdaamno]

Confirmed.

[Xdaamno]

Random

Vote: Blazerunner

Hi.

[Xdaamno]

Hmm...

Unvotes Shin Hatsubai

Votes JDodge

Very scummy, indeed.

I don't even want to respond to this. I mean, it's just too easy

[Xdaamno]

Just checking in. I'll post later.

[Xdaamno]

Clue me in here; what has JDodge 'lied' about?

[Xdaamno]

Then I believe we have reached an impasse.

Clue me in here; what has JDodge 'lied' about?

Read the damn thread.

Uhm... apologies that I only had a minute or so to post at the time? I'll read it tommorow, since I'm still busy.

[Xdaamno]

Unvote: skitzer, vote: Xdaamno

Asking about something without knowing the context of it.

If it was about anyone else but you, you probably wouldn't be voting me now (foresight bladeblah).

I wanted to post

something

, so I thought it would be a decent idea to have a setence or two about the events from their perspective.

If you think I'm scummy just for that, you're a terrible scumhunter (Which I'm pretty sure you're not), or scum yourself, so IGMEOY.

[Xdaamno]

Unvote: skitzer, vote: Xdaamno

Asking about something without knowing the context of it.

If it was about anyone else but you, you probably wouldn't be voting me now (foresight bladeblah).

I wanted to post

something

, so I thought it would be a decent idea to have a setence or two about the events from their perspective.

If you think I'm scummy just for that, you're a terrible scumhunter (Which I'm pretty sure you're not), or scum yourself, so IGMEOY.

Don't post anything until you know what you're posting about. All it does is muddy the waters. And by your logic, I'm scum already - why are you being such a votewimp?

And gogo Blazerunner for also proving he isn't reading the game by not noticing that Daamno started the game - didn't replace.

Vote: Blazerunner

.

I'm not voting you because everyone makes mistakes, and I think you made one.

[Xdaamno]

Really Daamno? Then why not list "made a mistake" amongst your points? Why was it "terrible scumhunter" or "scum"?

The

drama

I apologize, I made a mistake, I should of listed mistake too.

[Xdaamno]

Why do I feel like we are running around each other in circles while the scum are sitting back laughing.

I agree with this. This is a large game, and only like 5 or 6 people have posted in the last 2 or 3 pages.

[Xdaamno]

Blazerunner, you're not even going after me - how could this possibly be OMGUS?

Unvote: Daamno

Satisfactory. Now read the damn game and post some suspicions.

Calm down, and why are you voting me?

[Xdaamno]

Here is a picture to entertain you.



Also, here's a picture I drew in Flash.

^.^

Also, Aaah. I'm in a spiral of I-will-read-later-itis. I'll make a good post today if it

kills

me.

[Xdaamno]

Hmm. I actually find the circumstances which Flameaxe and farside died seems to be a bit more helpful.

One was killed by an enemy that can use electricity. And the other was killed by getting "blown off the map" according to the death list on page two.

After looking at the Pikipedia, it seems like these monsters can potentially "blow pikmin off the map": Puffy Blowhog, Withering Blowhog, Man-at-Legs (blow pikmin away by explosives, maybe not so likely).

These can eletrocute: Anode Dweevil, Titan Dweevil, Anode Beetler.

Judging from the fact that there are Purple pikmin, Red pikmin, blue pikmin, and probably yellow pikmin and white pikmin. It is likely that there is an enemy that each pikmin is immune to. Yellow pikmin would've withstood the electricity and purple pikmin might've withstood the "getting blown away". So I believe there is a group of Blowhogs (probably 3) that only one can perform an attack at night (in this case the Puffy Blowhog decided to attack). And there might be a group of Dweevils (probably 2) that can either electrocute or poison (since Blowhogs can't do either) OR one Titan Dweevil (Serial Killer) that can burn, spray water, electrocute, and poison.

So the pikmin town might either be facing two separate enemy groups or one enemy group + an SK with multiple ways to attack.

Vote: JamesThePhox

for the above, + other vibes. I just don't see a townie thinking that way.

LAL = Lynch All Liars. It has nothing to do with the Gorrad vote, but more to do with an argument Jdodge made where he lied about his reasons for it yesterday. This doesn't seem like an appropriate instance to apply it anyways, so its pretty irrel.

Vote: armlx

for missing an apostrophe off the 'its'.

[Xdaamno]

On another note,

vote: Xdaamno

for not taking votes seriously enough today.

While this is right, its ironic you would be the one to say it. xd's play has been.... lacking to say the least this game, though if my IRC experience is worth anything its a town tell from him.

I assure you, all my votes are

very

serious.

That was a cold insult, armlx, and you know I play (at-least) decently when I'm serious. I'm not happy.

[Xdaamno]

I have yet to play a Scumchat/IRC game with you where, as scum, you were inattentive and unproductive. Has happened with you as town. I assure you, it was not meant in an insulting manner, just stating the facts.

That sounded nothing like what you said earlier, if it matters.

[Xdaamno]

Unvote JamesThePhox, armlx

Vote: Greasy Spot

[Xdaamno]

Unvote JamesThePhox, armlx

Vote: Greasy Spot

Nice...no reasons given. This is the best kind of vote to get.

I do remember posting 'They look town to me'.

:amnesiac:

[Xdaamno]

Limited Access until Friday/Saturday, at an obviously unfortunate time... :/

I'll drop in to post when I can.

[Xdaamno]

With three days for the deadline, these are feasible bandwagons:

7 Gorrad (JDodge, UROE, armlx, hasdgfas, Claus, Greasy Spot, Kison)
6 Greasy Spot (windkirby, Kison, PyroDwarf, hasdgfas, Gorrad, Xdaamno)
5 JDodge (windkirby, Kison, Gorrad, PyroDwarf, JamesThePhox)

And these are the people who are not voting for any of the top three bandwagons: (I think)

GhostWriter
skitzer
UltimaAvalon
Blazerunner
sonickid01

Any particular reason, guys? I would love to hear from you about these candidates.

I'm not exactly 'up-to-date', but this smells to me.

[Xdaamno]

Smells scummy?

No, smells of a deep sense of regret and inner turmoil.

Take a shower.

[Xdaamno]

Uhm, I feel as if I've gotten so lost on this game I can't catch up, which I really regret. I'll avoid asking to be replaced, especially while Mike's already searching for replacements now. I remember having scum tells on JTP, which I'm going to trust myself on. Since I'm voting myself,

Unvote, Vote: JamesThePhox

[Xdaamno]

Jdodge, do you think JTP is town?

I think he's a newb.

Scum can be noobs as well.

But not all noobs are scum.

JDodge is an asshole, and assholes are more likely to be town than scum

[Xdaamno]

Meh. The kison wagon is no more. Back to my other suspect then.

unvote. Vote JTP

Town tells.

Somebody ask me something.

[Xdaamno]

Responding to prod. Will keep an eye on this over the next 24 hours, then post.

[Xdaamno]

As irritating as it may be that JDodge is not giving his case, this is kind of what he did during Day Two in his previous role.

I'm starting also to suspect WindKirby and Kison less, based on a quick re-read of them both.

- My second choice would be kison - if only because he was at Jdodge's, GS' AND Gorrad's wagon by the end of day 2.

What changed here?

armlx, you've mentioned many times you dislike Pyrodwarf. What in particular bothers you?

Unvote

because I like JtP's post 586. WindKirby, how scummy am I?

Vote : xdaamno

. Lurking Master Mofo. Also, ignored my request of his other supposed JamesThePhox scummy vibes(May 22nd). Also has maintained JtP suspicion into today yet unvoted him yesterday after his weird JDodge + Kison vote. Not paying attention or simply placing votes he doesn't feel strongly about.

Not sure about JDodge/Pyrodwarf. I find Pyrodwarf's reaction to Zombie's lynch to be the scummiest part of his play. JDodge 2.0 is acting as dumb as JDodge 1.0. He needs to post his case, but it seems clear he lacks one. Wouldn't mind lynching him but I would prefer Xdaamno.

I understand you're most likely just trying to spur me into action, but I don't have a problem with that.

I'm not sure JDodge being annoying equates to him being scum. This annoying "Why should I tell you my case" thing doesn't seem scummy to me.

Smells of JDodge-Nightson scum pairing, though I don't like pointing this kind of tell out; it just seems

too obvious

.

For the last while I've only been pointing the odd thing out and not actually forming an argument, so I'll attempt to do that tonight.

Until then, I'm still too lazy to do anything more.

[Xdaamno]

Meh. I was just coming in to check on this thread, anyway.

Colour claims seem like a good idea in theory, but mike will likely have proofed them to an extent.

[Xdaamno]

Well Xdaamno was prodded and didn't exactly take a hint as to what we wanted him to do. Sadly it might require yet

another

prod to get him going.

It's called

timezones

, and is the explanation as to why I can't respond 10 minutes after every point.

So, we're colour claiming, and I'm up next, correct?

[Xdaamno]

I'm red.

[Xdaamno]

You know, I think we gain more info than we lose by not having an order.

[Xdaamno]

You know, I think we gain more info than we lose by not having an order.

What? I disagree completely.

Same.

Personally, I would find speculating on player order a lot easier than speculating on colour info, which is almost irrelevant (at the moment). Having a pre-set order restricts speculation to the player who designed the order, if anyone did.

[Xdaamno]

Oh wow, you claimed White and you don't even know what your own role does?

Vote JtP

Now THAT is a slip.

Agreed, though I'd like more clarification from him before we speculate.

[Xdaamno]

That admittedly looks very bad, but I really do think I'm onto something here. It rides rather heavily on GS, unfortunately.

How so?

[Xdaamno]

That admittedly looks very bad, but I really do think I'm onto something here. It rides rather heavily on GS, unfortunately.

How so?

Fos Xdaamno

for fishing for that before GS has claimed. Apply this FOS to anyone else who did this as I'm too lazy ATM to look it up (I know Jester was one),

I certainly wasn't fishing. Gorrad implied the reason why it rided on GS was public knowledge which I hadn't picked up. I wasn't asking for anything new.

All that said, I'm going to

Vote: Xdaamno

, on the reasoning that people later on the claim list would be less likely to fakeclaim such a full color.

I

never

said that. I said the information lost by fakeclaims seemed to be lower than the information gained by order speculation.

[Xdaamno]

I certainly wasn't fishing. Gorrad implied the reason why it rided on GS was public knowledge which I hadn't picked up. I wasn't asking for anything new.

No, he did not imply that. You were asking for something new.

Obviously, I read it as if it implied that - whether or not he did is irrelevant when trying to determine my motives.

[Xdaamno]

I dislike JtP pressure. Nightson has the right idea, I'm looking forward to hearing more.

QFT.

...

That is all.

[Xdaamno]

Sorry, sorry, chronic lurking indeed. This game is on my to-do list.

...

No, really, it is.

[Xdaamno]

The cool thing about scum chat and real life metas is that there is no way at all to check them.

I'm already wary of meta self-justifications, scumchat-based meta justifications are even worse.

After reading, I'm tempted to hammer.

I continue to say that, based on the claims if NOTHING else, this lynch is incredibly stupid.

Why so? Are you implicating Nightson instead?

[Xdaamno]

FTR, I just saw this thread open now.

I'm ashamed of this game, tbh - I've obv let you all down on content. Kison, here's some metas to prove my level of content is usually consistent as town or scum:

Scum:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5415
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6577

Town:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7846
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8018

Only two games as scum I can find :/

[Xdaamno]

Of the reds, then, who do you believe is scum and why?

Porochaz
Jester
dcorbe

If asked to indicate

one, specific

red as being scum rather than giving my opinion on everyone, I'd tell you to stop being such a twat. If pressed, however, I'd probably go for

schizophrenic

The Jester, because that's who everyone else is going for and therefore has, from the off, a larger chance of being scum than dcorbe or Porochaz.

Unless you actually want me to read players for a while, before making a blind accusation - in which case I'll widthold my judgement for a while.

[Xdaamno]

for a while, for a while ._.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: The reason I'm a little peeved, Kison, is you've been doing this all game to me (preview-edit: along with the fact I've had a bad day, so take this with a grain of salt). Asking difficult questions rather than letting me construct my own thoughts over time. It's not a scum tell on yourself, and you have the best intentions, but... :/

Hm. The more I think about it, the more I want to retract the last two posts ¬.¬

[Xdaamno]

Re-reading the Reds:

Xdaamno:
Post 6 - OMGUS Jdodge

Urgh. Did you even read what happened? I didn't vote - I didn't even indicate JDodge as scum whatsoever

Posts 7,8 - Backs off from the OMGUS on Jdodge.

See above, though it's worth noting I didn't "back off", I corrected a small mistake. Reading is -TECH-.

Post 12: Question - was the vote on Armlx serious?

Yes - I believe the use of apostrophises has a direct positive correlation to the chance of being scum /sarcasm

Post 15: Question - here you unvote JtP and votes GS. What was the rationale for the unvote?

Can't remember, though it's rather obviously not relevant. I had a reason, I remember that much.

Please don't pursue this point for the sake of it. I can't and won't be able to remember, and it's a null tell /meta.

/overdefensiveness-scumtell-is-flawed-meta

Post 18-19: What was this?

A joke, like post 12.

- Posts a bit more on the claim stage, but not really anything terribly exciting

Then I assume when you reply to this post you'll leave out this point, also.

- Except for the "no order suggestion" that was nice.

This one too.

- The "here is my meta" post today does not make me happy.

Now I'm confused. Why? If I was scum, I'd know any metas I gave would be certainly flawed, so I wouldn't post them, i.e. null or town tell.

Obligatory FOS: Claus, regardless of colour and whatnot.

[Xdaamno]

To clarify "overdefensiveness-is-flawed-meta", there'll be several places where I try and tide away a subject and I may appear to be trying to hide something. However, I'm doing that to shorten the length of the analysis by leaving out universally unimportant points, making it more manageable for everyone. If you have a very valid argument relating to that point, I obviously have no objections - otherwise I won't "mark you down" for not responding to every little thing.

[Xdaamno]

*tidy away a subject -_-

[Xdaamno]

Hmm, Xdaamno, I think you're reading a bit too much in my analysis. Afterall I'm voting Poro and putting dcorbe as the second. In particular, I'm not accusing you of "overdefensiveness" (which I agree is not a scumtell).

As for your question - I don't like self metas. What you say that "If I were scum I would know this is flawed" just don't follow. Someone posting their own meta reads to me like "Hey, this is the way I want you to think about me" - Then again, I usually don't like the use of metas much in general.

That said, other than that I don't see anything scummy about you right now.

Actually, I agree

PBPAs are always exaggerated (Yes, I'm guilty of that too). Sorry, swingy playstyle here, for some reason.

[Xdaamno]

Xdaamno (...) Seems to follow the majority.

Out of interest, what's the basis for this? If it's

only

my 'x, because that's who everyone else is voting' statement, then I don't think you understood what I was saying - I was going off statistics before I had analysed anything.

Which reminds me, I should probably analyse something. Hold on.

[Xdaamno]

I'm thinking either dcorbe('s replacement) or Jester here. If Jester's reasoning on my last post was indeed that single post, I think he was being jumpy. He was a lot more confrontational before these last two posts, not sure why.

I'm also not sure about Xdaamno, I'm getting more of the feeling he's simply lazy town than scum.

Right - though I want to play with you some other time, Kison, preferably not in a large game

[Xdaamno]

Received my prod just when I was logging in to post here.

armlx

This was done uber quick for my lunch needed to be quick

Against GS a lot. However there was one post where he did a u turn and it felt weird however it was the only thing I had fault with. He didnt make any direct comment about the colour change but it was obvious he had concerns. The one thing I noticed was he has 200 odd posts but many of them are 1 liners Id quite like to see some original analysis from him.

So scum list

This is in order from most to least...

Town

Kison
Claus
Fonz
Nightson

either

Armlx
jester
Skitzer

scum

[u/]

Xdaamo
Greasy Spot

vote Greasy Spot

if Im not already

Porochaz, what's the reasoning for me being that low down on the list -

apart

from the fact I haven't posted much? If that's the only reason I'd draw a conclusion that you didn't think I was

that

scummy, which defeats what the list implies. A list like that is useless if there isn't a noticeable increase in scumminess as you go down the list.

[Xdaamno]

This game has simply been hard for me to get into - partly because it's a large game. But really, this is all irrelevant because as I've shown before, there's no definitive correlation between my content level and my chance of being scum. If there is a correlation it's a coincidence, and not large enough to be the basis for a lynch - or even the basis for an

investigation

in my opinion.

I'm going to post atleast once a day from now on. You can rely on that.

[Xdaamno]

As the 82nd most frequent poster on site he must be posting somewhere

Fair enough.

But really, this is all irrelevant because as I've shown before, there's no definitive correlation between my content level and my chance of being scum.

I strongly disagree with this statement despite thinking XD is town.

Bearing in mind we're talking about

my

posting levels, where's your proof?

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: Right, that's imposible to prove, but I've given evidence to the contrary, so if you can prove there is more than 'no correlation' across all players, you'll have a point.

[Xdaamno]

Personally I thought I was going to be lynched soon afterwards... also your saying XDaamo's lurking is not a scumtell surely it cant be a towntell?

This isn't a black-and-white scenario. There's such things as 'null tells' and 'weak tells'.

[Xdaamno]

V/LA until next Saturday, I should be able to post occasionally.

[Xdaamno]

People should have waited for me to return before hammering ¬.¬

Personally I thought I was going to be lynched soon afterwards... also your saying XDaamo's lurking is not a scumtell surely it cant be a towntell?

This isn't a black-and-white scenario. There's such things as 'null tells' and 'weak tells'.

Yes it is. There are such things as pro and antitown actions. If people do antitown actions, then they are more likely to be scum and even if they're not, they're not helping.

I was on holiday when this was posted, but you've misunderstood what I meant. A scum tell could have a value from, say, 100 to -100. Obviously a tell is going to be either positive, zero or negative, but by 'not black and white' I mean it's not '50 or -50', it could be anything. A tell with a value of 1 is nearly irrelevant, despite being a scum tell.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: Also, I've taken it for granted that a red pikmin will be scum, but completely forgotten the reasoning. Could someone remind me?

[Xdaamno]

I had a dream last night that I died in this game.

[Xdaamno]

currently I think Xdaamo is better than the Jester for a lynch, but sticking with the opinion I had before, Im not sure I agree with the colour claim being useful.

I currently hate that we are being forced to make a decision between 2 people who have had limited participation.

Uhm... what? I've made a post a day, and kept to that promise - only one of those posts has been only vaguely relevant. I was (honest-to-god) telling the truth about that dream, which, if true, highlights that I have a decent chance of being killed - i.e. I'm a town player. I'm not using it as a defence, it was just... 'speculation' if you like.

You guys are so convinced that I'm not contributing it's starting to look like I'm not. Perhaps, rather than whining about my activity levels, you could find something relevant to talk about.

[Xdaamno]

Xd, please make a post with a full analysis of each other player.

Same goes for Jester.

That'd be strained. A scum tactic is to push townies into further content levels than they're comfortable with, to burn them out. I'll post if I feel like it,

[Xdaamno]

vote xdaamo

post properly or perish.

'Properly'? What's wrong with me posting like I normally would, without having to deal with silly challenges like this?

[Xdaamno]

That'd be strained. A scum tactic is to push townies into further content levels than they're comfortable with, to burn them out. I'll post if I feel like it,

Vote xdaamno

Your lack of content meta is being over ruled by deliberately avoiding posting content.

I'm

not

deliberately avoiding content. Why the hell would I do that? It's NOT a scum tactic in this situation, as I'm under an unreasonable amount of suspiscion for it already! The

only

reason to lynch me for that reason is a policy of lynching unhelpful players - and if you can't see why that isn't ideal at this stage of the game you're not qualified to argue the lynch anyway.

I've just come back from another long holiday. My posting has obviously been speculative and sporadic. But really, guys - you think that's reasoning for a lynch? If you're town, that's an insult to your character.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: By the way, this is

actual

content. I don't have to be all "Hey, look at me, I'm making a concrete pbpa" to be topical.

[Xdaamno]

Being topical and defending yourself != an analysis of other players actions that can lead to town winning the game.

What? A single analysis is

incredibly

unlikely to single-handedly win a game, therefore content usefulness is ideally measured in

how much

it helps the town. Just because my topical posting dosen't have a ridiculous outside shot to win the game dosen't mean it isn't (almost, technically) as helpful.

Content is content. I'm showing my feelings and allowing myself to be read - the fact another player is on the offense while I am on the defense is not a scum tell, as it could happen to any player.

An invalid response to the above would be 'but scum players are more likely to be attacked. This is incorrect as you'd then be saying that "You're more likely to be scum because I'm attacking you", which is obviously not a logical offense.

You're also twisting what I'm saying into 'defending myself'. That's far from an accurate description of my content, and just shows how you're being tunnel-visioned.

[Xdaamno]

Xdaamo, theres a flaw there though in that your posts simply arent helpful at all.

Despite the fact you seem to have no idea what 'helpful' means, can I ask how your posts are any

more

helpful at the moment? We're both discussing the same thing - the fact you were doing more scumhunting

beforehand

is irrelevant as I'm now going to be doing the same amount as you.

[Xdaamno]

A lack of analysis sure doesn't help the town win. That is my point.

Yes, it can do. A player that hammers a scum to win the game without analysing is being helpful. Preventing a town player from being lynched (without analysing) is being helpful - in this case I'm doing just that. Try thinking before posting.

Like I said, you're 'analysing' me, and I'm arguing against your point. Then saying the fact you're on offence and I'm on defence means I'm being unhelpful is just irritating.

Your arguments have absolutely zero logical basis - no exaggeration. You're literally just ignoring my posts and repeating yourself - you're

hurting

the town in this respect.

[Xdaamno]

A player that hammers a scum to win the game without analysing is being helpful.

They are being a lucky idiot.

They might be a lucky idiot. Or a player might have a mod-confirmed guilty result on them. It's an entirely plausible scenario - are you

seriously

still trying to stand by the idea that analysis of a player is the only possible way to be helpful to the town while posting? If you truly, deeply believe then I've lost a lot of respect for you, armlx.

Preventing a town player from being lynched (without analysing) is being helpful - in this case I'm doing just that.

The old "O BTW I is town". Yeah, not applicable. And defense without logic = fail.

Urgh. I'm not

claiming

that is my defence, stop trying to twist my words. It just shows that you're strawmanning me completely by ignoring my point and picking nits. If you're town

ACTUALLY READ

what I have written rather than pretending you can go for the weakest points while ignoring the rest without me noticing.

I'm giving you the option to back out of this argument. Grow some balls and take it rather than hurting the town with your craplogic.

[Xdaamno]

This is totally a sheepish town vs me argument which I clearly can't win despite being the only person

not

twisting anyone else's words. I screwed myself over with the absences, so I'm stuck in a whirlpool now; no player wants to be seen assosciated with me so it's impossible to make a convincing argument without proving myself town first, which I just don't have the heart to do.

So... fine. This is an unimportant discussion, and I'm publicly jumping ship for the good of the town. This is clearly the best theoretical move for a town player in my position, so I'm going to laugh if anyone calls me scum because of it.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: What's worse is that I won't get any satisfaction after the game either, as everyone will accuse me of providing a mis-lynch and hurting the town.

You know, I've just realised a self-vote in this time might be the optimal play. My lynch is nearly inevitable, and if I went out right now my last few posts wouldn't be in vain as some sane players might realise I was talking sense - then again, that would only be for my satisfaction as I haven't done more scumhunting. Hah...

[Xdaamno]

Don't ignore the above two posts because they're too lazy to read them - that's hurting the town.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: *You're

[Xdaamno]

Also, I obviously have an analysis coming later. As much as people like The Jester would like you to believe I'm retarded, I've just been holding back because I was occupied with another argument.

[Xdaamno]

All I can say is

armlx, I don't care whether you're town or not when you're answering my posts - I respect The Jester's effort, but this is just insulting.

[Xdaamno]

I forgot where I said I'd like people to believe you're retarded. From what I remember, you didn't want to post an analysis. So I'm not seeing how you "obviously have one coming later". But okay.

Wrong choice of words, I got myself worked up. You were just trying to convince people that I didn't have an argument coming.

I never said I didn't want to post one - just that I was too lazy and busy with something else. Yes, I'll do one as soon as I have the heart, but only to prevent myself getting lynched - it's pretty obvious nobody will actually listen to me.

You're in a whirlpool because you won't get out of it yourself. You just said "I'm holding back because I'm occupied." You've been saying you're busy through out the whole game, and haven't fixed it. If you were so busy, why not ask to be replaced?

I didn't mean busy with real-life issues in that context. I meant busy arguing to someone else - whenever I looked at this thread, I had something to respond to and so never decided to start an analysis. I could have fixed it, but I'm not putting

that

much effort into this game, which is hardly indicitive of my alignment.

[Xdaamno]

Jester, the unvote I'm talking about was where you unvoted JtP, stating that you would like to hear examples of where he'd seen bombs who were not told they were bombs, then later re-voted without explaining what you didn't like about his explanation. In fact, prior to placing your vote back, you made a post which looks like you were under the impression that you still had your vote on him. This strikes me as you not analyzing the situation very closely and simply following the flow in this situation.

You know, I've just realised a self-vote in this time might be the optimal play. My lynch is nearly inevitable, and if I went out right now my last few posts wouldn't be in vain as some sane players might realise I was talking sense - then again, that would only be for my satisfaction as I haven't done more scumhunting. Hah...

How would self voting result in people realizing you were making sense? Self voting typically is not a good move because fewer people actually have to come up with reasons to vote you in order for you to be lynched.

I was trying to reason that the chance of a town player realising I was town and listening to what I said would be higher if I died right now, having made that point out there.

I never said I didn't want to post one - just that I was too lazy and busy with something else. Yes, I'll do one as soon as I have the heart, but only to prevent myself getting lynched - it's pretty obvious nobody will actually listen to me.

'Only to prevent myself from getting lynched' coincides with the mindset of scum. If you think you'll be lynched, you should want that analysis out there. Either way, just please get it up? I'm going to refrain from voting until you do, unless it becomes clear that you won't.

I'm starting to agree that I've danced around the issue for too long now, so I'm getting something done tonight, when I get home.

[Xdaamno]

The willingness to self vote + not doing it makes me feel he is scum trying to use that to cast him in an aggravated pro-town light.

Every

single post you have made shows you are either oblivious to the meaning of my posts, or are trying to twist them in a false way - not even to help me get lynched, in my opinion, but just to prove your own worth. I am not willing to self vote. I was (obviously) not 100% serious, otherwise I would obviously have voted myself by now. I'm bewildered by the fact you thought I meant 'I am certainly going to self-hammer because there is no other option'. I just suggested the idea. armlx, you msy be town, but this is terrible play.

Tch new tactic! Link paragraphs together so you can't strawman them!

[Xdaamno]

Actually, I decided to log on to say I

was

going to self-hammer out of irritation if my analysis isn't recognized, but... now I feel like I want you guys to lynch me for that extra pseudo-malevolent in-your-face satisfaction.

Either that, or I'll look like an idiot for making a likely bad play.

Note the difference between

considering

hammering and

deciding

upon hammering.

[Xdaamno]

Xdaamno (in isolation)

Post 12 - he votes JamesThePhox for his thoughts about the game setup, because it didn’t seem like a townie would do this. He finds it suspicious here, but hasn’t said much about it when Gorrad and armlx have discussed it. Also in this post he includes a pretty random vote of armlx.

Hm... we've already been over the random vote. That's irrelevant, unless you have something new to bring to the table. I didn't notice any Gorrad/armlx discussion and even so I couldn't remember the contents of post 12, so I would have had no obligation to post specifically on that topic.

Post 38 - Kison asks Xdaamno who the scummiest reds are. Not sure about this, but he mentions every other red except himself. Attempting to elude pressure much?

Not at all - that list was of my possible suspects, not of who I thought should be analysed globaly.[/quote]

I'm not exactly an ideal target for buddying, so... I appreciate the fact skitzer was light here.

So... The Jester is my opposing red player... and yet, I have town vibes from him. Before I get into any meat-and-bones analysis, could you clarify this, armlx:

EBWOP: Also, I've taken it for granted that a red pikmin will be scum, but completely forgotten the reasoning. Could someone remind me?

Sheer numbers would unbalance the game depending on the order in which scum died.

For the record, I've almost provided as much content in the last few pages as the rest of the town combined. All complaints that I'm not being helpful enough can be directed up your arse. /lighthearted but serious point

[Xdaamno]

For the record, I've almost provided as much content in the last few pages as the rest of the town combined. All complaints that I'm not being helpful enough can be directed up your arse.

Its not content, its just defense of your lack of content.

Skitzer: I've explained the first thing at least once. The slip was worth following up on for a short bit to see if GS just folded. He didn't, it became worthless, the end.

And yours is just attack of my percieved lack of content - we're both talking on the same subject, and so are posts have roughly the same worth, and therefore I'm providing more content than you. I know you're never going to admit to this, but it's a blatant fact visible to any third party.

[Xdaamno]

Generic drunk message: I am away till the 5th. I will try and post in my newbie game tomorrow but thats it. Please dont replace me as I want to continue and finish these games however if needs must then fair enough thank you.

Xdaamo I am happiest with today atm.

No valid reasoning and an arguable repetition fallacy; I'm ignoring this post.

[Xdaamno]

armlx, you should read my posts rather than tl;dr'ing - it's quite frustrating for the guy putting the content out if nobody's there to listen to it, and even more infuriating when the same guy calls me out for not posting enough.

After you've found and answered my previous questions, answer me this: Do you think you have produced more content in the last few pages than me? No dodging the question.

[Xdaamno]

You accuse me of tl;dring.... Ironic. I've read all your posts. You have done little to indicate you have read the whole game.

If you claim to not tl;dr, then

WHY

are you blatantly strawmanning, like this? It's incredibly frustrating - you've

know

I've made several points in the past few posts I'd like addressed.

To clarify the red thing, the game can only have a certain number of each color as if there were more, the scenario of scum ending up with a bunch of people they can't kill would be too likely.

Xdaamno, the issue is the only content you have given is related to yourself, and only in response to other people's content. I believe the past few pages we have been equal on content, but in no way has your content been proactive. You have yet to really post about any other player's actions other then your own.

Haha. I have a habit of defending myself when attacked; if I was not being attacked my posts would be focused elsewhere. Sure, that dosen't make the current situation any better, but that fact nullifies any 'scum tells' based on my content level because this is situational. Claiming we have been equal on content is just insulting, too.

armlx, you are not thinking about this objectively; you're being tunnel-visioned, arguing against someone for the sake of not losing your pride, rather than catching scum (as this argument is almost irrelevant). You 'admit' my content level is atleast as high as yours, so here's a chance for you to actually make a logical post rather than a spontaneous accusation: if you can prove the fact that, in an argument and in this context, a player on one (more defensive) side of an argument is more likely to be scum than another player on the other (more aggresive) side.

If you can prove that, I will concede the fact my content levels give me an increased chance of being scum in the eyes of the town, and we can move on to something more productive (read: something other than this argument) at which point my comments can be more relevant to what you percieve as helpful.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: I'm narrowing your argument down to that one point because it is your only logical standpoint. You cannot actually attack me based on content levels as you would contradict yourself, therefore it must be the content of my content in relation to the content of your content that would make me scum.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: Oh, also, I read your first line wrong. The reason my 'tl;dr'ing' was far less relevant is because I was not actively involved in any arguments and therefore causing no

direct

damage against the town. Now that I am personally involved I have the obligation to read every post carefully - and so do you.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP:

I have the obligation to read every post

relevant to my argument

carefully - and so do you.

[Xdaamno]

xdaamno, how about you STFU about yourself and make a post about the other players in the game. A good one too. Oh wait, you refused to do that.

And that is why I am voting you.

I

cannot

believe this. I haven't told you to STFU. I haven't been rude at all. I've

provided

the fucking content and you're

directly

ignoring it. I haven't even 'refused' to attack other players - I just have not being doing so as much because I had other, more important things to do and that I feel content is content regardless of who attacks and defends.

This game is affecting my personal health. I am contributing

far

more than you, but your

fucking

pride keeps you stumbling on in this ridiculous argument. What reason do I have to continue providing the content if nobody is

fucking

reading it? Huh? I hate flipping out like this. I see it as an immature trait. There is literally no hope for me -i t's phsyically impossible for me to provide your specific brand of content because there is one feasble suspect for me who I happen to have zero fact-based scumtells on.

I was having a conversation with a friend earlier today about mafia, and what I see as it's flaws - no player will ever concede an argument if they have invested a significant amount of time into it. Armlx, you've blatantly

ignored

my logical posts, made illogical accusations that are completely ungrounded (I mean, I openly refuted the fact I was not posting content and then your next post says 'you are not posting content, that is why I'm voting you'? Seriously?) and you're beginning - no, not beginning, continuing to piss me off.

If you don't have the free time to read and respond to all my posts, then whatever. Just say so. But if you completely ignore them you do

not

have the right to continue your argument. It's offensive - I've put my time into this game, and I deserve to have it recognized.

As a last note, I will REPEAT myself. If you can prove that the content I am providing is completely unhelpful to the town (And I'm going to laugh in your face if you say 'Because you're scum') then you will finally have a logical argument. Otherwise, you can fuck off.

[Xdaamno]

Tssk, just read the V/LA. Hopefully we can put this on the backburner until you get back.

[Xdaamno]

Alright then, I've made my mind up.

Vote: Xdaamno

I value personal time and health above a general reptuation of not self-voting.

[Xdaamno]

I still disapprove of the inclusion of the Bulbmin role, but Mike refused to let me uproot it from the game. Too much powah!

And yet, even with that role's ability being used twice, the town still lost.

As a rule, I don't like that argument. PEMN.