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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:15 am

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In post 149, Mathdino wrote:tl;dr read the setup again so we can get back to the game
Well, I'm completely fucking stupid... I thought the scum had those PRs but also had the ability to change the switch. Hence, if they wanted to switch then they cannot use their ability, and if they want to use their ability, they cannot perform the night kill. So the SK isn't as powerful as I thought and eliminating them will reduce the number of night kills by 1. My mistake.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:30 am

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Vote Count 1.04Bins (2) - Mathdino, Almost50
Maxous (2) - Lalendra, Sauce
mutantdevle (2) - Elmo TeH AzN, Maxous
Elmo TeH AzN (1) - Bins
havingfitz (1) - Chip Butty
Raya36 (1) - Not_Mafia

Not Voting (3) - havingfitz, mutantdevle, Raya36


With 12 votes, it will take 7 to reach majority.

The deadline is Thursday, January 4, 2018, at 8:00 AM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2018-01-04 08:00:00).

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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:31 pm

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@Mod V/LA Till 12/30
Stats not in the wiki. I'm That Crazy Panda.
I Speak Engrish Not English Leave My Grammar Alone.


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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:21 am

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Prod dodge. Merry Christmas!
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:26 am

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Prodge probably won't be on until tonight or tomorrow
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:25 am

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Pridging in response to all prodges.

Merry Christmas everybody

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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:50 am

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Merry Christmas

I have a gift for you.
Spoiler: Unwrap Gift
Sauce:
Not_Mafia
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Mathdino

Not_Mafia:
havingfitz
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Bins
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Elmo TeH AzN

@@ mutantdevle:
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Maxous
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@@ Maxous: Lalendra, Sauce
Mathdino:
mutandevle

@ Elmo TeH AzN:
Mathdino
, Bins,
Raya36

@ havingfitz:
Almost50
, Chip Butty
@@ Bins: Mathdino,
Maxous
, Almost50
@ Raya36: Not_Mafia

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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:53 am

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It's the wrong size, do you still have the receipt?
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:15 am

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So, were probably going to lose power any minute now...
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:14 am

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I'm still stuck mobile posting but I should say something for now. Merry Christmas also :D
In post 134, Chip Butty wrote:First complete readthrough: A50 is town. MD is 70% town. Bins is 70% scum. Mutant could well be SK. Lots of boring setup talk, to which I will now add my two cent's worth:

If I knew right now who the SK is, I would lynch them without a second thought. Even if it is in their interests to work with town for now, they're still more likely to shoot town than scum. We're looking at potentially 3 deaths per day/night cycle, and could lose real quick.

More reads soonish, I hope.
If you agree with my logic even before when I didn't backtrack on it, why are you scumreading me?
Do you have other scumreads?
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:15 am

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In post 149, Mathdino wrote:Bins: Notice that she only started contributing to the conversation after I got people to pressure her. I actually agree that her confusion is genuine, but that's not alignment indicative.
Actually, I started contributing to the game after my first post. You realize you have been pressuring me since RVS?
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:18 am

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OK must go but I'll be back home tonight wee
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:02 am

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In post 150, mutantdevle wrote: Well, I'm completely fucking stupid... I thought the scum had those PRs but also had the ability to change the switch. Hence, if they wanted to switch then they cannot use their ability, and if they want to use their ability, they cannot perform the night kill. So the SK isn't as powerful as I thought and eliminating them will reduce the number of night kills by 1. My mistake.
Please respond to the other part of my post about Raya and Bins.
In post 160, Bins wrote:Actually, I started contributing to the game after my first post. You realize you have been pressuring me since RVS?
Eh I called you null-scum during RVS as a throwaway read, and following that, the majority of your posts have been engaging me in a discussion I've been pretty clear I'm not super interested in xD.

I actually think this is a point against Bins so I'll explain:
was initial random vote.
was questioning my read on her.
was a mutant townread, a me townread (continuing to engage me), and a Elmo scumread.
is AGAIN trying to defend against my 2 player wagon against her.
, Maxous scumread.
Then, hilariously, , , , , , and to some extent the 5 posts of setup discussion that are most of the rest of her ISO, are all continuing to centre her game experience around my pressure on her.

This is a massive majority. I've said multiple times that I'm not interested in rebuttals/defences because that's not what's going to change my read. Scummy scum tends to try to act less scummy when pressured, big surprise. What I didn't expect is for Bins to act MORE scummy by seriously ramping up her activity/posting effort just to keep fighting me.

@Bins:
The cases I make on you are directed at other players, not you. I don't know what you expect or want out of responding to them all the time, and I certainly don't see how this helps town; you literally have 2 votes on you. Try to ignore that for now and focus your energy on something productive. Like I said, I'd rather work with you/your reads.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:40 am

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In post 149, Mathdino wrote:You should be looking at motivation behind posts, not quality as a player.
I look at both.

I understand your points on both of them but that doesn't convince me they are scummy. You've convinced me that I shouldn't be town leaning them for it but I am yet to believe the scum intent behind their actions.

Bins is defensive. I don't scum read her for that because I am also a defensive player. I am starting to see slight scum in responding to points not directed at her, but that alone isn't enough to make me scum lean. She is null for me now.

I don't really see what you see in Raya tbh, but I don't think she is as town as I thought.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:54 am

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Fair enough, I'm satisfied.

Can you give a reads list again (updated if any updates are applicable) and sell me on your scumreads? Your nullreads (fitz, Max, Chip, Elmo) have posted since then I think. Any thoughts on them?
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:22 am

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In post 164, Mathdino wrote:Can you give a reads list again (updated if any updates are applicable) and sell me on your scumreads? Your nullreads (fitz, Max, Chip, Elmo) have posted since then I think. Any thoughts on them?


Town:

Almost50
Mathdino


Town Lean:

Bins - Thinking about it, I stick by my town lean on bins. Originally, I was just taking Math's word for it that bins was defending hereself against points about her that weren't adressed to her. But when I looked back at it, I'm not so sure I see that. It seems to me that the defence he is refering to is actually bins just explaining her confusion. @mathdino, mind pointing out in which posts bins is defending herself against points that aren't directed to her?


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Lalendra - Their lack of contribution has dropped their town lean to a null.
Raya36 - Thier lack of contribution and how easily they backed off of Elmo without much explanation has dropped their town lean to a null.
havingfitz - Hasn't said anything since last list.
Maxous - Hasn't said anything since last list.
Chip Butty - Hasn't said anything since last list.
Elmo TeH AzN - Hasn't said anything significant since last list.


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Not_Mafia - Hasn't contributed anything to the discussion at all. Wouldn't surprise me if they replaced out.
Sauce - Everything they have done is incredibly minimilistic.


Scum:

None.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:46 am

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In post 165, mutantdevle wrote:@mathdino, mind pointing out in which posts bins is defending herself against points that aren't directed to her?
Sure. I'll be more specific.

was flippantly calling my slight gut read on her into question.
had a random bit of self-meta defence against my (again, slight) read on her.
unnecessarily interjects into a meta discussion/question I had for A50.

The rest was in response to me talking more directly to her.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:29 am

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In post 166, Mathdino wrote:
In post 165, mutantdevle wrote:@mathdino, mind pointing out in which posts bins is defending herself against points that aren't directed to her?
Sure. I'll be more specific.

was flippantly calling my slight gut read on her into question.
had a random bit of self-meta defence against my (again, slight) read on her.
unnecessarily interjects into a meta discussion/question I had for A50.

The rest was in response to me talking more directly to her.
They all seem quite minor to me.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:09 pm

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In post 162, Mathdino wrote:@Bins: The cases I make on you are directed at other players, not you. I don't know what you expect or want out of responding to them all the time, and I certainly don't see how this helps town; you literally have 2 votes on you. Try to ignore that for now and focus your energy on something productive. Like I said, I'd rather work with you/your reads.
As mutant said, it was more me explaining my reasoning and confusing. I wasn't doing it because you were scumreading me, I was doing it because you were telling me I was wrong lol which is something that bugs me more because I hate being wrong. Especially not about game theory.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:09 pm

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*confusion, blah!
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:10 pm

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Maxous' last post is hard to call scum motivated because he was about to jump on my face and it would have been easy to but he didn't, so I think that makes me lean towards staying on Elmo more. Who I still have no reason to townread.

Not moving to Raya, if that's what you want.


But I agree with mutant there's a bunch of nulls just because of lack of content.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:12 pm

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Back on deck, and rereading in a few hours, with any luck.
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:13 pm

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I should be able to put more effort into the game now...
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:17 pm

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Power just got back! I'll get some posts up in a bit
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:23 pm

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Meh okay. I guess I'm not sure what an experienced high-effort player could even do to get you to scumread them. There won't be any smoking guns and the ones who are currently being scumread are gonna be on their best behaviour going forward. I'm 80% sure you doled out townreads for me and A50 because of playstyle more than anything.

Regardless, I do recommend placing a vote. Obviously I'd prefer Bins (nothing wrong with sheeping your only strong townreads lol) or Raya but more things happen in games when you take stands.

@Elmo/Maxous
: I really don't see how mutant's evolution on his Bins read could be read as anything but town. Do you guys have an argument more than "gut", being low-key useless, and subpar logic? Cuz I'd argue the same thing to you that I did to him -- player quality/logic quality are non-alignment-indicative.
Are there any other scumreads you guys have that aren't on my town list?

PEdit: This game rubs me the wrong way. There are no clear wagons, and I'm confused by a lot of players' apparent unwillingness to vote for certain other players (despite not townreading them). Come on guys, gimme a wagon that doesn't suck. Or a wagon at all I guess. Would help with analysis.
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