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Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:49 am

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VOTE: HEM

...so did I.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:43 pm

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In post 10, humaneatingmonkey wrote:VOTE: Flubbernugget

When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.
In post 18, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

He criticizes wavemode for "telling him who he is", but then votes someone else.
You meant he criticised flubber, not wave, right?
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Post Post #44 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:44 pm

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UNVOTE:

Mine was just a joke vote. Don't see a reason for a serious HEM wagon at this point...
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Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:50 pm

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In post 20, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 19, Sephiroth wrote:
Flubbernugget wrote:Not me
VOTE: flubbernugget
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me.
Vote HEM please
VOTE: Taco because it worked last time :P

Also, why are you pushing a wagon on HEM at this point?
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Post Post #48 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:12 pm

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In post 20, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 19, Sephiroth wrote:
Flubbernugget wrote:Not me
VOTE: flubbernugget
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me.
Vote HEM please
In post 46, wavemode wrote:"at this point"? Is it ever too early to scumhunt?
That doesn't look like scum hunting to me.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:33 pm

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In post 75, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 61, Sephiroth wrote:
In post 54, Sergtacos wrote:hard claim miller
Just to clarify...are you actually claiming miller?
Whats it to you?
Enquiring minds want to know.

Also, why didn't you claim from the get-go?
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Post Post #80 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:35 pm

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Ugh. Another miller game?

All right, I suppose

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #84 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:05 pm

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Skitter,

I've only voted/unvoted twice. First HEM. RVS vote but unvoted when his wagon took off for no reason. Taco also RVS, unvoted because of his claim, which I do have some doubts about.

Flubber: I don't mind people poking there. I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.

In fact, let's increase the heat a little:

VOTE: Flubber
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Post Post #85 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:12 pm

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Implosion,

I'm not sure what to make of the miller claim. I played in that other game with the miller claim, with Skitter, HEM, and Taco, and the miller claim there was pretty much accepted at face value right away. I need to go back and see what the logic was, but i think it was along the lines of 'scum doesn't do it because it draws unnecessary attention'. Could be a gambit though, I guess. Overall, I'd rather leave it for another day.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:40 pm

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In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Guys, how do you classify bullshit vote reasons? Scum or town?
More scum than town but largely NAI early on d1 when there's not much solid to go on. Also reaction testing is a thing.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:20 am

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Busy atm. Will be back in 8-10 hours. Will answer questions then.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:53 am

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In post 102, skitter30 wrote:
In post 84, Chip Butty wrote:Flubber: I don't mind people poking there. I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.

In fact, let's increase the heat a little:

VOTE: Flubber
What does this mean? Why would scum get towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion? And if people actually get towncred from doing this, why would town not do that to also get towncred? From this explanation, I don't get why what he did is AI or why you're voting him.

Like, this is blatantly not happening; most people are kinda sketchy on Flubber atm.

Everyone's saying that they don't like it but I still don't get why scum does this.
It was mostly just early game pressure. Having said that, I don't think I've ever made that kind of joke as either alignment but i could maybe imagine doing it as scum. The thought being that maybe people would think along the lines that it might create the inpression of being town by virtue of being relaxed enough to make a joke like that. Hence 'pseudo cred', cred not based on anything real. As town i wouldn't want the aggro from the initial wave of suspicion because it would just distract from scumhunting.

I'll catch up reading and see if i want to change my vote. I see wossi is the fashionable wagon now.

Same with current HEM opinion.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:55 am

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Maybe not right now though. I'm kind of busy, and tired.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:01 am

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In post 177, Wickedestjr wrote:If I had another vote, it would probably go to Chip Butty. Looking forward to seeing him explain his bad Flubber vote.
Is my flubber vote somehow worse than the other flubber votes? Can you explain why you singled me out?
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Post Post #201 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:23 pm

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In post 184, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 181, Chip Butty wrote:I'll catch up reading and see if i want to change my vote. I see wossi is the fashionable wagon now.
UNVOTE:
Really don't like this, looking for a reason to get onto the wagon now that he is L-1, same with Srgtacos.
Do you always signal your punches like this? If you were seriously scumhunting, you would wait for me to actually jump on that wagon. Same for skitter later. Do you think wossi is scum or not?
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Post Post #203 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:25 pm

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In post 200, TwoInAMillion wrote:I thought the bad push on flub was more anti-town than then flub's idiot posting.
It wasn't a bad push, it was an early d1 pressure push. Please return to the noob queue until you get the concept.
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Post Post #271 (isolation #16) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:47 pm

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In post 253, humaneatingmonkey wrote:im partly joking but that's what i observed from the game skitter, chip butty, sergtacos, and i played.
Eh, not sure about that. Toranaga was walling with great frequency and he somehow ended up being town.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:27 am

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Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.

VOTE: wave

This doesn't implicate wossi though, will wait until his return to assess.

Others looking scummy:

Taco for the miller thing. I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off. Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...

HEM. In our last game i strong townread him for a while before becoming paranoid and switching to scumread. I'm getting a scum vibe here too but not sure why yet.

Dany, skitter, wicked can be townish for now. Slight tl for Lalendra.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:29 am

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Implosion and Sephi also towner flubber null TIAM scumlean
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Post Post #336 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:16 am

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In post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny

I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
I feel neglected :cry:
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Post Post #338 (isolation #20) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 am

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In post 337, Wossi wrote:
In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny

I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
I feel neglected :cry:
don't feel neglected.

If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?

Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.

First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:41 pm

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In post 340, TwoInAMillion wrote: My 66% winning percentatge says otherwise.
Oh okay. I thought "two-in-a-million" was your winning stats... :lol:
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Post Post #344 (isolation #22) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:47 pm

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Taco hasn't posted for 2 days 19 hours. I really want to hear more about the miller fakeclaim...
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Post Post #347 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:57 pm

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In post 343, Wossi wrote: I never said your pushing on me came out of nowhere. But I can see how my phrasing was unclear so I reluctantly won't call you out for manipulation/misrepping and I won't mention how you look like scum who threw all your chips on a mislynch and now need to reach to justify why you're still on my wagon
Do you think he is misrepping you or not? If so just say so. If not why mention it? And why the "not mentioning by mentioning"?

This is the scummiest thing you've posted imo. I can see why your wagon is still fashionable.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:02 pm

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In post 345, Wossi wrote:
In post 338, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 337, Wossi wrote:
In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny

I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
I feel neglected :cry:
don't feel neglected.

If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?

Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.

First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.

I don't think it's a non-question

If you want to lynch someone, you've got to get six other people to agree with you.
If you could just insta-kill someone, you don't
Sometimes wagons just refuse to grow on scummy players...

Okay that's a fair point. Would prob still shoot wave but Taco is also growing stronger as a contender the longer he is AWOL.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #25) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:05 pm

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Wossi, your turn to answer your own question. And any reason to ask me in particular, or are you looking for answers from everyone?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:17 pm

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In post 351, Wossi wrote:
In post 347, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 343, Wossi wrote: I never said your pushing on me came out of nowhere. But I can see how my phrasing was unclear so I reluctantly won't call you out for manipulation/misrepping and I won't mention how you look like scum who threw all your chips on a mislynch and now need to reach to justify why you're still on my wagon
Do you think he is misrepping you or not? If so just say so. If not why mention it? And why the "not mentioning by mentioning"?

This is the scummiest thing you've posted imo. I can see why your wagon is still fashionable.
Wow I really gotta do cut and dry huh...
He might be misrepping me
He might have misread
There's no way to prove it either way
And I was being sarcastic
Well, yeah. Given you admit to your unclear phrasing being a possible source of confusion on his part, you should probably stick to cut-and-dried. Sarcasm is probably best avoided unless you are good at making it clear in text.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:40 pm

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In post 386, Mulch wrote:I can't read chip because I'm pretty sure he's negative value regardless of his allignment.

If there's a vig, shoot him. If he flips town or scum we benefit
Still sore because I snatched 1946 out of your hands, huh?

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Post Post #488 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:40 pm

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And picked you as scum in open 698...
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Post Post #489 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:42 pm

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Man, Mulchipoo replaces in, and now there's 8 new pages to read...
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Post Post #490 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:00 pm

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In post 466, wavemode wrote:Chip are you avoiding my question
In post 309, wavemode wrote:
In post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.
Just to be clear, you think I'm lying? Or you think meta is not a sufficient reason to townread someone
Wasn't avoiding, just forgot. At that point wossi hadn't been past day 2 in a game here, so meta read on him is bs.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:12 pm

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In post 488, Chip Butty wrote:And picked you as scum in open 698...
Actually, thinking back on this game, the reason I picked Mulchy as scum was that a meta-dive revealed that manic hyperaggressive Mulch = scum.Mulch. I couldn't get town on board with it though.

All three games I've been in with Mulch he has been scum, but I'm going to ignore the gambler's fallacy voice in my head and bet this is scum Mulch.

I'm not forgetting about wave though.

I also think a Mulch flip will be informative about Taco. These two were scum together in mn 1946, so will think about how they interacted there.

VOTE: Mulch
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Post Post #493 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:18 pm

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OMG, the entire mn 1946 scum team is in here now :eek:
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Post Post #496 (isolation #33) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:47 pm

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In post 495, wavemode wrote:
In post 490, Chip Butty wrote:Wasn't avoiding, just forgot. At that point wossi hadn't been past day 2 in a game here, so meta read on him is bs.
So you think I'm lying. K
That's why i voted you, duh. Either you're lying or you are bizarrely optimistic about the worth of meta based on such thin data, and i don't think you're bad enough for the later, esp now 1950 has concluded. Which reminds me, i should go reread you in that game.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:51 am

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In post 617, Sephiroth wrote:Eh I guess Serg isn't really listening to you so much as continuing to roll the die and do whatever comes up. So really just chip following your coat tails.
In post 616, Sephiroth wrote:
In post 614, Mulch wrote:
In post 613, Mulch wrote:Ur classic bad at the game awful scum
Town*
Thats pretty funny considering how poorly you've played your intro to this game. From either alignment, you've completely screwed yourself over aside from gaining a following of loyal town idiots (chip and serg). You may be convincing to those who aren't paying attention but to anyone who is you've completely destroyed any semblance of credibility. Which makes the sense of superiority all the more amusing to me.
In post 608, Sephiroth wrote:To be fair I don't necessarily think Mulch and Serg are partners but I'm about 75% sure mulch is scum and Serg is literally just trolling. But I don't think its fair to completely dismiss the possibility given how easily Mulch abandoned his push on Serg...
In post 492, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 488, Chip Butty wrote:And picked you as scum in open 698...
Actually, thinking back on this game, the reason I picked Mulchy as scum was that a meta-dive revealed that manic hyperaggressive Mulch = scum.Mulch. I couldn't get town on board with it though.

All three games I've been in with Mulch he has been scum, but I'm going to ignore the gambler's fallacy voice in my head and bet this is scum Mulch.

I'm not forgetting about wave though.

I also think a Mulch flip will be informative about Taco. These two were scum together in mn 1946, so will think about how they interacted there.

VOTE: Mulch
What the fuck drugs are you on, moron?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 am

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In post 600, skitter30 wrote:
In post 597, Mulch wrote:Pretty sure lalendra is scum

@Skitter

When i die
You usually put in a lot more resistance than this, irregardless of alignment . . .

Preflips are bad yada yada yada, but I doubt Mulch and serg are scum together. (scum!mulch decides to enter the game and hardbus his partner?)
Have you noticed rhe way Taco has come alive in this game since Mulch entered? And not in a good (pro-town) way.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:19 am

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In post 625, Sephiroth wrote:
In post 623, Chip Butty wrote: What the fuck drugs are you on, moron?
The kind that made me read 611 as you. I apologize. This just makes the whole Serg + Mulch thing even weirder to me.
You conflated Taco and me? Now, that really IS insulting lol.

Either or both could be trolling the game. Either or both could be scum. Neither can be allowed to make it to lylo/mylo.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:28 am

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In post 572, wavemode wrote:
In post 496, Chip Butty wrote:That's why i voted you, duh. Either you're lying or you are bizarrely optimistic about the worth of meta based on such thin data, and i don't think you're bad enough for the later, esp now 1950 has concluded. Which reminds me, i should go reread you in that game.
You calling me bad is mildly amusing but I'll let that go. I think you're town.

My Wossi read is genuine and it's based on more than just meta, as I've already explained repeatedly - so then what is my scum motivation for making up meta rather than just using in-game reasons (or, hell, no reasons. I would just say it was gut) to townread him?

Furthermore, Wossi himself could tell you if it were a lie, and I'd be running a risk coming into this game with that if it were B.S.

And Mulch also referenced the same meta but also cannot talk about it:
In post 560, Mulch wrote:
In post 559, Wossi wrote:
In post 558, Mulch wrote:I'm 15-1 in normal scum games
So explain where your meta on me comes from
I feel as if this would be breaking site rules
Now you're looking at a 3-person conspiracy if my meta is made up. Maybe simpler explanation is, I was just plain telling the truth?
I didn't say you're bad, i said i didn't think you would be bad enough to make so much out of a thin meta read. But even if i did call you bad, i don't see how that would be amusing, given that in our only other game i copped Boon and got him lynched, pointed out LUV as scum but got nked before i could do anything about it, and even pointed out a sus associaruon from Boon to you. Only foot i put wrong was to help lynch UnaH who is lynchbait and admits it, and Porkens, who wasn't playing anything like town.Porkens in mn 1946.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 37, Wossi wrote:
In post 36, TwoInAMillion wrote:It's possible I misunderstood, but even so, this is a game of mafia, and to beleive what someone says at face value during the RVS is a little ludicrous.
So why? Why would someone claim scum? Even in RVS, what might someone be thinking when they claim that?

Town should never lie

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Scum claiming scum is scum and should be lynched
Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched
Reading through the wossi ISO. LAL isn't a terrible policy, as someone has pointed out. If wossi has shown that policy in other games it would make him look better. Wossi, can you point to other games as town where you've been LAL?
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Post Post #632 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 pm

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In post 90, Wossi wrote:
In post 86, TwoInAMillion wrote:Miller claims are usually true unless there is a counter. A lot of risk involved in a scum Miller claim.

On the other hand, you probably don't want a claimed Miller in lylo unless it's someone you trust as a good player and it is an optimal situation. Too many ways the Miller claim cam divert attention in the wrong direction.


Do most games have millers? I don't think so.... it seems like it be pretty decent odds actually to fake claim miller and not get counter claimed.
Not an unreasonable view.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:12 pm

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In post 117, Wossi wrote:
In post 111, Flubbernugget wrote:I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.
please explain how claiming scum is a gambit.

to anyone asking why I'm voting flubber and not skitter: there's power in wagons and there's more then one scum.
Actually, looking at this I'm getting suspicious of flubber again. I need to check if he explained this "gambit". I mean, as an RVS joke I don't think flubber's scum claim is too terrible (albeit onv votebait in early game), but gambit I'm a bit uneasy about.

Wossi's other problem early game is with skitter. He sees skitter as overreacting to his observation that she started a wagon. I think probably overreaction on both sides, until further notice...
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Post Post #634 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 329, Wossi wrote:
In post 176, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 152, wavemode wrote:Now WickedJr, who said absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game, then was suddenly Mr. "hey i think this Wossi guy is horrible and I believe these other four people who coincidentally are already voting him are astute mafia players whom I agree with wholeheartedly. Let me draw up some reasons Wossi is a scumlord and slap my vote there too" is the worst among them in my view. (aka Mr. I'm going to do nothing for a long time then vote Wossi 90 minutes after Nexus posts a VC showing him to be at L-3. Was the vote based on Wossi's play? Or opportunism?)
I said 'absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game' because I simply wasn't around. I disappeared for a whopping 22 hours :o and everything from Wossi that bothered me happened during that 22 hours. And you say that my vote is opportunistic, but you haven't made any effort to understand/ask about my reasons for voting Wossi. You're just making ridiculous statements about me. Let me know when you want to start listening to what I have to say.


Also: I disagree with the people who are saying that Wossi gave reasons for his skitter scum read. There's a fine line between ambiguous interactions with skitter and explicitly stating reasons for scum reading her. The only comments that actually give insight into what he's thinking and why are the "I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum" and his Flubber/skitter theory.

this was on PAGE TWO! I don't understand how people seriously thought I was making a serious accusation on page two. No one catches scum on page two.
Talking about his skitter push here, but seems inconsistent with the seriousness of his early flubber push.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:54 pm

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seems fine.
[post=Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.]Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.[/post]
points out problems with implosion read, which wasn't as godawful as implosion's reads of me and Mulch. FoS at implosion.
points out tinfoil nature of his speculation.
points at wicked's vote at , which does actually look pretty bad.

Up to this point, I'm just not feeling the wossi wagon. More later.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:57 pm

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In post 635, Chip Butty wrote: seems fine.
Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.]Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.
points out problems with implosion read, which wasn't as godawful as implosion's reads of me and Mulch. FoS at implosion.
points out tinfoil nature of his speculation.
points at wicked's vote at , which does actually look pretty bad.

Up to this point, I'm just not feeling the wossi wagon. More later.
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Post Post #656 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:35 am

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In post 642, Wossi wrote:
In post 631, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 37, Wossi wrote:
In post 36, TwoInAMillion wrote:It's possible I misunderstood, but even so, this is a game of mafia, and to beleive what someone says at face value during the RVS is a little ludicrous.
So why? Why would someone claim scum? Even in RVS, what might someone be thinking when they claim that?

Town should never lie

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Scum claiming scum is scum and should be lynched
Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched
Reading through the wossi ISO. LAL isn't a terrible policy, as someone has pointed out. If wossi has shown that policy in other games it would make him look better. Wossi, can you point to other games as town where you've been LAL?
Nyet, because I have one other game and its ongoing.
Which is why its so weird that Mulch says his meta from me comes from somewhere other then that specific. If he says explaining further is against site rules, I'm not going to push it too much further. That said, it is odd that he could specify his meta didnt come from wavemodes game, but now can no longer discuss. It's a very convenient way to end discussion and avoid repercussions from an untrue statement.
D'oh i should have remembered you don't have much meta here, because it's the basis of my scumread of wave. Have you played much mafia elsewhere?

Response to implosion when i get back.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:47 am

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Actually, one thing that struck me about the Mulch meta thinking about it more is that in his scum games i have seen, he has only been openly hostile to players who are scumreading him, and he often loses control under pressure.

Also, he thinks his town and scum games are indistinguishable, so he might be trying to play in a different style here as either alignment.

Finally he knows part of my meta read of him from Open 698, so the fact he attacked my ability so vehemently seems calculated to make me think he is scum, but why would he do that as either alignment? Thing is, i picked him as probscum in that game (and he was), but he failed to pick my PR.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:53 am

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Mulch's usual strategy is to try to soft buddy me, and i initially found his playstyle easy to townread. But since i poked at him in Open 698 he has changed his tune to discrediting, since his old routine isn't working anymore.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:01 am

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I guess what i am saying is that I'm pulling back from my initial meta read of Mulch. His play here is similar to scum.mulch but now i realise it is different in some respects too. I have a visceral dislike for the way he has played here, and was probably influenced by that. Taco too, since Mulch joined the game.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:06 am

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Not to say i think Mulch is town now, just that I'm refining my neta read, and maybe giving it less weight in my overall assessment.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:07 am

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^meta
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Post Post #676 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:21 pm

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In post 675, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 671, Lalendra wrote:Not to mention that it would be fairly obvious bussing if BOTH of my scumbuddies were on my wagon. That, combined with the fact that I am so confident that they are town DESPITE the fact that they are voting me, should be all the evidence you need. I retract my earlier reads list; you are just manufacturing scumtells at this point, not to mention the blatant misrep re: my 580.

VOTE: Sephiroth
I think Seph is town. I think Lalendra is scum.
Yeah, that's great. Why?
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Post Post #679 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:06 pm

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In post 379, Mulch wrote:
In post 376, TwoInAMillion wrote:First thing you have to say is WIFOM? Doesn't exactly make me think you're town.
I don't really care if you scumread me tbh. Also, if I were you I woild be sheeping people with better reads than you.

Finally you don't know what wifom is. Sorry bud
In post 386, Mulch wrote:I can't read chip because I'm pretty sure he's negative value regardless of his allignment.

If there's a vig, shoot him. If he flips town or scum we benefit
In post 398, Mulch wrote:Skitter is your case really based on post 13? Really? Cmon man its page 1. Your kind of obvious town here but no offense that case is shit
In post 445, Mulch wrote:VOTE: chip


Gonna place this vote because i think he's useless as town too

Let's Lynch chip
In post 448, Mulch wrote:
In post 447, TwoInAMillion wrote:Okay cool, three players to add to my townpool.
Have you noticed that you have bad reads consistently throughout every game

...
Ever wonder why
In post 451, Mulch wrote:Name one game you've had good day 1 reads


One game
In post 452, Mulch wrote:Anyway tiam sometimes you have to realize that if everyone else is "always" wrong, maybe ur just bad

No offense
In post 462, Mulch wrote:Let's lynch



Chip


Butty
In post 472, Mulch wrote:
In post 469, implosion wrote:It's more than a little frustrating seeing the only reason given for Wossi being town still be invisible meta. Meta's a fine tool but I put 0 weight in meta arguments that can't be explained.

That said, I'm trying to take a step back on Wossi because I am starting to read what he's saying in a biased light. I can see potentially a bit of townpoints for him for the way he's reacting to his wagon as time goes on given his apparent willingness to lash out at every direction on his wagon. It's not good scum play to throw shade at everyone who's voted you (me, lalendra, idany, wicked, maybe others i've missed). It's not good town play either per se (it sort of reeks of OMGUS with the frequency with which he's doing it, which is not really a scumtell but is not good town play) but it's more understandable from town who's just mad at their wagon. I don't think this outweighs the reasons I've seen for him to be scum though.
Love this, this is town,


Trust me on this?
Let's lynch Chip butty. What's the worse that could happen?
In post 514, Mulch wrote:A) It's not policy because he's in my PoE but OUT of the people in the PoE, he's the most useless


B) Because day 1 scumreads are almost always wrong, plus yours is wrong casuse he had a perfectly towny day 1
In post 604, Mulch wrote:
In post 600, skitter30 wrote:
In post 597, Mulch wrote:Pretty sure lalendra is scum

@Skitter

When i die
You usually put in a lot more resistance than this, irregardless of alignment . . .

Preflips are bad yada yada yada, but I doubt Mulch and serg are scum together. (scum!mulch decides to enter the game and hardbus his partner?)
I mean

It'd your fault your scumreading me, not mine

I found scum in chip and lalendra, your fault for not having better reads
In post 613, Mulch wrote:Ur classic bad at the game awful scum
In post 621, Mulch wrote:
In post 620, Sephiroth wrote:Plus I scum read Lalendra also so maybe you should try reading...
Your voting town and I'm voting scum


Lmao

You are worse
@implosion: These are some of the posts that had me calling Mulchy hyperaggressive. You disagreed, which was one of the three points in your read of me. Maybe i just noticed it more because a good deal of it is directed at me.

Your third point was that info is not a good reason to lynch. I partially disagree: info is a good supplemental reason to lynch, which is exactly how i presented it.

Your first point was that my mulch read was 1 dimensional, and there is something in that, which i have since addressed. But until you've done your own mulch metadive i can't see how you could vote me because of mine. If you think my meta on mulch is actually misleading, based on your own, then fine.

So yeah, maybe 'godawful' was a bit strong, but i was/am pissed at mulch/taco's playstyle here so I'm probably reacting too strongly to criticism generally.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:28 pm

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In post 498, Wickedestjr wrote:Caught up. Phew.
In post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Others looking scummy:

Taco for the miller thing.
I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off.
Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...
Can you explain the bolded part of this? You think that Serg would just maintain the lie as town? :?
In post 377, Mulch wrote:I doubt lalendra is scum,because my gut says that sergetacos would not be this obvious to break a tie. Probably one scum on lalendra, let me find them real quick
Can you explain this?

(Responding to Wossi next)
I responded to this in my mind, sorry.

One thing i want to mention is that Taco said mn 1946 was his first scum game, so he is inexperienced scum, the kind who might jump into a miller fakeclaim without thinking through all the implications, and who might get cold feet when the claim met a lukewarm to hostile reception.

I'm going to rethink this. My initial post there w as based on me thunking scum might get cold feet, but unless something happened to make them suspect the presence of a rolecop or something, I'm not sure why they would get cold feet.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:33 pm

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I guess maybe an unexpected hostile reaction to their claim?
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Post Post #698 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:04 pm

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In post 684, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay can you explain the bolded part though?
I think if town has fakeclaimed miller and there has been no cc, the protown thing to do would be to stand firm and hope there is a cop variant who can clear you if necessary. You return green to cops so that's a fair chance. If you can sell it, you become a slot town doesn't worry about, and if you can't you can hope for a clearing check. But backtracking just creates confusion in town minds and detracts from the scum hunt. You might even draw the NK at some point if you are widely believed, which is good as long as you are vt.

So what Taco has done is scummy at worst and antitown at best.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:12 am

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Skitter, I don't see Lalendra as disengaged - she seems plenty engaged with her theory dispute with Sephiroth. Out-of-it - maybe. Said dispute has reached the point where it almost like she is deliberately not getting what Sephiroth is saying.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:28 am

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In post 362, Lalendra wrote:Dany - "Sergtacos claimed miller, a miller claim by itself is not a reason to suspect someone or is it enough to clear someone but it also doesn't require us to put our focus on it." It sounds as if you're basically saying that the Miller claim isn't worth discussing. It's not a reason to suspect, but it's not a reason to clear, and we don't need to focus on it. Why do you think the claim was made? What motivation can you see for it that warrants easy dismissal?
You've said elsewhere that Dany is on your scum list and Taco is town, but this post only makes sense if you think both are scum. Have you managed to resolve this apparent contradiction? What is your current position on each player, and this post?
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Post Post #725 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:31 am

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In post 652, Lalendra wrote:
In post 650, Wossi wrote:
In post 647, Lalendra wrote:
In post 629, Mulch wrote:Mulch town

Lalendra scum

Serg town
I think you're right on 2/3.

I agree, two out of three. Lalendra is scum and Serg is town. Mulch, however, is scum
All three of us are locktown.
Do you even know what locktown means? Okay, maybe you could read these guys as town, but locktown???
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Post Post #726 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 am

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In post 655, Lalendra wrote:I do still believe that Mulch/Serg are town though. So is flub. Scum is in chip/dany/tiam/wossi. The rest are null for me at the moment.
Can you give current reads for your four scum reads here please?
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Post Post #728 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.

VOTE: wave

This doesn't implicate wossi though, will wait until his return to assess.

Others looking scummy:

Taco for the miller thing. I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off. Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...

HEM. In our last game i strong townread him for a while before becoming paranoid and switching to scumread. I'm getting a scum vibe here too but not sure why yet.

Dany, skitter, wicked can be townish for now. Slight tl for Lalendra.
In post 307, Chip Butty wrote:Implosion and Sephi also towner flubber null TIAM scumlean
Update:
Dani, Sephiroth, implosion still towner.
Wicked slightly towner, and skitter down to neutral
Wossi neutral
Flubber neutral but I'm going to iso him next
TIAM still slightly scummer
HEM/Mulch, wave, and Taco still scummer
Lalendra now scummer
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Post Post #729 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:09 pm

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@Lalendra: You seem to be suspicious of Dany in that post. But why would scum.Dany pour water on a discussion about a Town.Taco miller claim?
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Post Post #730 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:10 pm

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...a discussion hostile to Taco?
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Post Post #734 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:19 pm

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I think the Sephiroth/Lalendra dispute boils down to this:

Sephiroth has his three top scumreads. Lalendra mistakenly says he is doing preflip associations.

Associations are where you say 'X is (prob) scum, and based on X/Y interactions, Y is scum too.'

Sephiroth says this is not what he is doing; rather, he has three infependent scumreads.

Endy story.

Ninja'd by skitter. I kind of agree but I'm finding it hard to believe that Town could be townreading mulch and taco so strongly. Otoh as Lalendra points out, it seems ridiculously straightforward if all threr are scum.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:29 pm

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In post 735, Wossi wrote:
In post 714, Lalendra wrote:I thought a normal would only have two factions?
Seph vs. Lalendra also happened because Lalendra doesn't realize (or wants us to THINK she doesn't realize) that there could be more then one faction of scum in normal.
Do you have any positive reason for raising the possibility of multibsll?
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Post Post #737 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:32 pm

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In addition to my reads above, I want to make it clear i regard Mulch and Taco as LYLOabilities, a word i just made up to describe someone who would be a liability in LYLO...
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Post Post #740 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 738, Wossi wrote:
In post 736, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 735, Wossi wrote:
In post 714, Lalendra wrote:I thought a normal would only have two factions?
Seph vs. Lalendra also happened because Lalendra doesn't realize (or wants us to THINK she doesn't realize) that there could be more then one faction of scum in normal.
Do you have any positive reason for raising the possibility of multibsll?
What? Am I wrong, is it not a possibility?

All I'm saying (and I believe Seph is saying too) is that Lalendra's assertion that three potential scum must automatically be a team together and therefore must be hunted as a unit is odd and flawed for multiple reasons and seems like a poor attempt to misrep Seph
Yes it is a possibility, but that seems like a very defensive reaction. Do you have reasons or are you just raising the theoretical possibility of multiball to counter Lalendra?

You and Sephiroth reach similar conclusions re Lalendta, but for different reasons. He is denying he is doing preflip associations, while you're exploring the multiball angle. You're right technically, but it seems like a slightly odd place to go when they are arguing about preflip/not preflip...
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Post Post #748 (isolation #66) » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:11 am

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Wossi: yeah, read my 740 again.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #67) » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:14 am

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It's a dispute about whether Sephiroth is doing three independent scumreads, or pteflip associations. Bringing up multiball displays misunderstanding of that interaction, in that you're buying into Lalendra's confusion(?)
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Post Post #751 (isolation #68) » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:36 am

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I'm gonna let the three of you thrash it out. Lalendra is misunderstanding Sephiroth and you're misunderstanding their misunderstanding. It's ultimately an argument about nothing, and not worth wasting further time on.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:07 pm

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@Wicked:

I agree cop wouldn't usually scan a miller claim d1, but a miller claim that has subsequently been abandoned is a different matter.

If Taco is a town pr, then i don't think claiming miller then backing down was a good way to play it.

I think Taco is more serious than he pretends. I don't think he'd fakeclaim miller for the lulz per se, but he might do it to fit his whacky stoner persona. I doubt it though, because he admitted in the aftergame notes to mn 1946 that he just fakes that, and he knows i read it because i replied. Still, wifom...

Both Taco and Mulch are going to have to do some actual gamesolving with transparent thought processes before i can clear them.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #70) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:12 pm

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Prodge. Catching up...
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Post Post #801 (isolation #71) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:13 pm

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Lol caught up. That took nearly ten seconds...
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Post Post #802 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:15 pm

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I too think a reread of f1 in the light of the wossi kill is indicated...
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Post Post #816 (isolation #73) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:16 pm

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In post 810, wavemode wrote:
In post 747, implosion wrote:Mulch is very probably scum who has accepted the lynch. Someone please just threaten a hammer so that we can see him probably refuse to claim so we can get on with it. I understand townreading his early play from certain angles but I don't understand how you can still townread him after the marked shift in his play in the past few pages.
In post 775, implosion wrote:2 days left until deadline.
Flubber wrote:oh good its time to hammer mulch now
In post 776, iDanyboy wrote:Intent to hammer today.
In post 785, iDanyboy wrote:VOTE: Mulch
In post 803, implosion wrote:Dany's hammer certainly merits some scrutiny. In particular: Dany, when you made your hammer, did you realize the sort of overt scumminess of it, particularly the tone of naked hammering Mulch 20 minutes after he called you scum? Did you realize what you were doing and just didn't care? I'm sort of confused by because I feel like it's obvious what serg is getting at (although of course he can correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not entirely sure what to make of the vote.
implosion correct me if I'm wrong but is this not a pretty open and shut case? I understand investigating the wagon but I guess I'm not understanding where your head is at with respect to the hammer itself, and why you consider it "overtly scummy"?

In addition, Mulch had already claimed VT, so I also don't understand the meaning of "naked hammer". Should he have said "Sorry" or "I now sentence thee to death" first?
This is good. It needs to be emphasised that implosion first calls for someone to threaten hammer ie declare intent, then casts shade on idanyboy when he does just that, and then follows through.

It doesn't make me feel any better that Taco is also pushing an idanyboy lynch.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #74) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:18 pm

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In post 815, Flubbernugget wrote:I've skimmed up to 22, and serg is pretty hard off the Mulch wagon.
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
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Post Post #818 (isolation #75) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:24 pm

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In post 743, Mulch wrote:Are you proud of me for not self hammering NExus
In post 752, Mulch wrote:Hardclaim vt bye
:)

Baby steps
In post 811, wavemode wrote:Also, this is the second time town!Mulch has replaced into a Mini I was in and got insta-lynched. He should work on that :P
This is pure speculation, but reading between the lines i think Mulch might have been told by the powers-that-be to clean up his act a bit. I mean, he calmed right down in this game after his initial burst of randomness.
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Post Post #851 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:38 am

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In post 553, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 551, skitter30 wrote:
In post 546, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 543, skitter30 wrote:OK, explain the town perspective?????
why should i explain it? if you were town you would try to see from it, however you're asking me to explain it, meaning you couldn't see it from a town perspective because you aren't town, which therefore you're scum.
wtf.

I'm trying to see it, but oddly enough I don't see a town motivation in replacing into a game and claiming a meta defense of a player based on a game that doesn't exist.
Spoiler:
reaction testing dur
Taco, you still need to explain this.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #77) » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:40 am

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Sorry, I've been focussed on other games. I'll put some effort into this one today...
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Post Post #865 (isolation #78) » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:16 am

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In post 782, Mulch wrote:VOTE: Idanyboy


This guy is scum and will push wossi tomorrow
Lalendra, Mulch said that about iDanyboy, not TIAM. Naughty, naughty...
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Post Post #893 (isolation #79) » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:51 pm

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In post 887, Sergtacos wrote:whats the vc?
You mean you voted without knowing? You were just 1 vote away from hammering... :igmeou:
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Post Post #894 (isolation #80) » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:09 pm

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I know I've been promising more effort, and haven't delivered so far. Sometime in the next 24 hours...
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Post Post #895 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:12 pm

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I'm not super convinced about the Lalendra wagon. Leaning toward 2IAM. Will ISO both if hammer hasn't come down first, as well as that Flubber ISO I promised some time back...
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Post Post #958 (isolation #82) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:21 am

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In post 792, Nexus wrote:
Votecount 1.14:


Mulch (7-LYNCH)
- Flubbernugget, Chip Butty, skitter30, Wossi, Sephiroth, implosion, iDanyboy
Lalendra (2)
- Sergtacos, Wickedestjr
Wossi (1)
- TwoInAMillion
Sergtacos (1)
- wavemode
Sephiroth (1)
- Lalendra
iDanyboy (1)
- Mulch

Not Voting (2)
-


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 3pm GMT on Sunday 26th November 2017 ((expired on 2017-11-26 15:00:00))

Mulch has been lynched. Flip incoming. wavemode and Lalendra have been prodded.
In post 904, Nexus wrote:
Votecount 2.3:


Lalendra (6-LYNCH)
- Sephiroth, implosion, iDanyboy, wavemode, Sergtacos, TwoInAMillion
Sergtacos (2)
- skitter30, Flubbernugget
iDanyboy (1)
- Lalendra
TwoInAMillion (1)
- Wickedestjr

Not voting (1)
- Chip Butty


With 11 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 8pm GMT on Monday 11th December 2017. ((expired on 2017-12-11 20:00:00))

Lalendra has been lynched. Flip incoming.
First thing i want to say is I can't figure out 2IAM's hammer. If scum it was incredibly blatant. I don't buy his excuse though.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #83) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:24 am

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Interesting factoid: Sephiroth, implosion, and iDanyboy were on both town lynches, consecutively and in the same order.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #84) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:26 am

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I didn't vote d2 as i was taken by surprise by the early hammer, but i did say i was leaning away from Lalendra and toward 2IAM.
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Post Post #961 (isolation #85) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:28 am

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The only one who offvoted twice was wickedest, who was town.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #86) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:30 am

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Mulch and Lalendra both voted iDanyboy before getting lynched.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #87) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:37 am

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Ignoring for the time being the possibility of an SK, the only unflipped ones not on rhe Lalendra wagon d2 were me, skitter, and flubber. Since i am town, that leaves the other two. Yes i know that's from my pov. Assuming 3 scum, at keast 1 is on Lalendra.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #88) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:39 am

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So at least one scum in Sephi, implosion, Taco, wave, and 2IAM.
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Post Post #965 (isolation #89) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:47 am

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D1 the only unflipped off voters were Taco, wave, and 2IAM. So either that is the scum team, or there is scum on Mulch's wagon.

Oddly enough, the off team is made entirely of people i have found scummy: wave, Taco, and 2IAM.

The unflipped guys from the Mulch wagon are me, skitter, Sephi, Flubber, and implosion.
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Post Post #966 (isolation #90) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:59 am

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Let's make the assumption that each night, there is at least one scum on the kynch, and one off.

D1:
On: one in [Chip, skitter, Sephi, Flubber, implosion ]
Off: one in [wave, Taco, 2IAM]

D2:
On: [Sephi, implosion, wave, Taco, 2IAM]
Off: [Chip, skitter, Flubber]
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Post Post #967 (isolation #91) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:06 am

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I suspect scum would be wary of being on both lynches, so a little town cred for Aephi and implosion.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #92) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:08 am

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Interesting factoid: me, skitter, and Flubber follow the same pattern. On the Mulch lynch, off Lalendra.
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Post Post #969 (isolation #93) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:11 am

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At least one scum must be in the one-on, one-off group, which is
[Chip, skitter, Flubber, wave, Taco, 2IAM]
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Post Post #970 (isolation #94) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:18 am

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Nothing damning yet. I'll be back in about ten hours. I noticed some questions to me while skimming through. Will answer after a proper read through of the latest.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #95) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:20 am

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I'm probably inclined to lynch 2IAM atm...
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Post Post #974 (isolation #96) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:21 am

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In post 971, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 968, Chip Butty wrote:Interesting factoid: me, skitter, and Flubber follow the same pattern. On the Mulch lynch, off Lalendra.
does this sound scummy? it does to me.
That we follow the same pattern, or that I pointed it out?
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Post Post #975 (isolation #97) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:22 am

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In post 973, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 969, Chip Butty wrote:At least one scum must be in the one-on, one-off group, which is
[Chip, skitter, Flubber, wave, Taco, 2IAM]
what do you mean by this and "one-on, one-off group"?
On one of the lynch wagons, and off the other.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #98) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:22 am

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In post 976, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 974, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 971, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 968, Chip Butty wrote:
Interesting factoid
: me, skitter, and Flubber follow the same pattern. On the Mulch lynch, off Lalendra.
does this sound scummy? it does to me.
That we follow the same pattern, or that I pointed it out?
The bolded part is what made it sound scummy to me.
In post 959, Chip Butty wrote:Interesting factoid: Sephiroth, implosion, and iDanyboy were on both town lynches, consecutively and in the same order.
I am convinced that, even if we play a hundred games together, I will never understand how your mind works(?) Did you think it was scummy when I used the exact same words here?
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Post Post #993 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:27 am

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Will read through properly later.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #100) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:33 am

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Lol by which i mean put some more thought into this. Taco has been right about Mulch and Lalendra. I...don't know what to make of that. I think we need to beware another easy mislynch, and I'm a bit worried about the push on 2IAM, while at the same time he does look scummy. Like i say, I need to read through again and think this out.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #101) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:35 am

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In post 990, Sephiroth wrote:Serg and Chip are the best bets for SK. Dark horse candidate is Skitter but I'm still pretty convinced Skitter is town.

TIAM is clearly scum.

Wave sure smells like TIAMs partner to me. Yesterday, right before quick hammer, Wave mentions that he could vote TIAM instead of lalendra (but really wants Serg) when there is almost no chance of a TIAM lynch. TIAM proceeds to quick hammer. Now suddenly, after a quick hammer and a nonsensical claim/explanation, and after he seems like the most likely lynch candidate, you lean town on him? While simultaneously laughing at his defenses? Sorry if I'm a little bit confused here, but how do TIAMs actions possibly turn him to a town lean?

TIAM's partners are Wavemode and one of {Implosion/{Serg, Chip}} (whichever one is not SK).

Boom.
This is another post I am going to have to put some thought into...
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #102) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:45 am

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In post 962, Chip Butty wrote:Mulch and Lalendra both voted iDanyboy before getting lynched.
I didn't think this through enough at the time, but it might be why Dany got killed. I'm really not feeling the SK angle, I just can't see how it would balance as either 9-3-1 or 10-2-1, unless there are some facy PRs on one side or the other, and there has been no evidence o that. I tbink we have ourelves a vig, and I fear this talk about an SK is scum motivated, at least by some. As in rolefishing. For that reason I am also wary of calls to mass claim. I think scum suspects a vig and wants him or her in the open. If there is a vig, you shouldn't out yourself.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #103) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 am

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Yeah, you would think 2IAM and Taco would be the natural vigbait in this game.
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:23 am

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In post 824, Nexus wrote:
Votecount 2.1:


wavemode (1)
- Sergtacos,
TwoInAMillion (1)
- Lalendra
iDanyboy (1)
-
TownInAMillion

Sergtacos (2)
- wavemode, skitter30

Not voting (6)
- implosion, Wickedestjr, iDanyboy, Chip Butty, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget


With 11 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 8pm GMT on Monday 11th December 2017. ((expired on 2017-12-11 20:00:00))
In post 897, Nexus wrote:
Votecount 2.2:


Lalendra (5)
- Sephiroth, implosion, iDanyboy, wavemode, Sergtacos
Sergtacos (2)
- skitter30, Flubbernugget
iDanyboy (2)
-
TownInAMillion
, Lalendra
TwoInAMillion (1)
- Wickedestjr

Not voting (1)
- Chip Butty


With 11 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 8pm GMT on Monday 11th December 2017. ((expired on 2017-12-11 20:00:00))
Lol, I just noticed something weird about these VCs (underlined)...Modslip?
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:27 am

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In post 1025, wavemode wrote:So why are you so skeptical of there being an SK
Balance reasons, as I said. Skitter makes good points, esp. in her final para.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:28 am

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Has anyone played in a 13er with an SK?
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:30 am

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Anyway, let's keep the focus on finding scum of any description, because we are very nearly in the shit either way.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:08 am

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Fair enough, though that was only a 1-shot SK, which addresses the balance question. Esp with 5 town PRs. Well, if it is an SK, let's hope it is 1-shot here too.
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:03 pm

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Mass claim is stupid and probably scum motivated. Taco is looking towner, and skitter and Sephi correspondingly scummer.
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:04 pm

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I guess 2IAM gets a pass for today for his role claim.
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:08 pm

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I never thought i would ever say this, but i think i trust Taco more than anyone right now. I...need to go away for a while to deal with that.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:10 pm

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Skitter has had some towny posts recently though...
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #113) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:29 am

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Okay, there seems to be broad support for mc, so it can't be all scum driven. Interesting that wave was absent for this discussion. So...
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:48 am

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I'm, uh, <cough> the vig. Sorry about the Dany shot, but let me explain...

See, I was recently vig in Open 698, and n1 and n2 I took the sensible, high-info shots, both being runners-up in the respective lynch votes. Both shots hit town, and town lost (At least partly because Ironstove gave the game to scum, but town was in a bad way d3). Anyway, I was wary of taking the same approach this time.

N1 i decided to holster. N2 i decided to take a chance on a shot. Why Dany? Partly because town.Mulch fingered him, and town.Mulch is supposed to be good at scumhunting, even if he struggles to look town. Also the way Dany leapt in in d2 twilight to point town at 2IAM pinged me, and his ISO seemed kind of neh, just going along with easy lynch trains and not contributing much that was original.

Take care out there skitter...
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 1073, TwoInAMillion wrote:I find it unlikely that he's town due to that he didn't use his shot early on. That would have been the town thing to do as his survival is not gauranteed.

SK motivation is to lay low and assume you'll survive to later on in the game and shoot then.

The fact that he didn't want to claim further incriminates him.
So, a vig should assume he won't survive until late game, and an SK should assume he will? Is this too dumb to be scum? I keep wavering on that question.

But skitter is right. I should have shot you, if only to stem the flow of dumb.
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:42 pm

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In post 1056, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: Chip[/b]

This is not optional. If you don't want to claim it's becuase you're scum and don't have a good fakeclaim.
In post 1071, TwoInAMillion wrote:That's a pretty convenient claim. He could still be a sk.
The correct answer is "Let's see if anyone counterclaims."
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 pm

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In post 1076, TwoInAMillion wrote:Scum/sk tend to lurk, while town do not.
I've made 117 posts compared to your 112.
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:18 pm

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I thought skitter wanted us to hold back from voting for the time being?
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #119) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:36 pm

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In post 1082, Sergtacos wrote:Yeah she does but like yall saying yall suspect 2 in a million, i do too, so vote. dur.
HMMMMM... :?
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #120) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:41 pm

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Exactly. We should take our time and try to get this right. If we hit scum with the lynch, we're right back in the game. Taco is acting blatantly suspicious now, and I'm not sure what to think.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #121) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:45 pm

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In post 1128, skitter30 wrote:They have to decide between shooting chip and shooting Serg . . . I guess Serg probably ought to not check Chip in that case? idk. Let him decide I guess.

K, I gotta go till tom night. I don't want the day to end before chip sees this and agrees (which is why I'm not voting right now).
Reading through now.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #122) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:00 pm

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Question for everyone: If i was SK and I knew the FBI detective was dead but didn't know there was a gunsmith, why would I make my life difficult by claiming vig?
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #123) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:04 pm

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I don't know what to make of Taco's latest claim. Wasn't he briefly a miller at one point?

Skitter's balance argument sounds right though. I'm down with the plan, I think. After my Dany shot I'm not confident of my reads here.
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #124) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:06 pm

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If 2IAM flips town, I shoot Taco, else holster. Right?
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #125) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:05 am

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Okay, I'm here and thinking about it...

Skitter, I need to reread to refresh my memory, but did you become locktown at some point?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #126) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:08 am

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Ah yes. So if you are really a gunsmith then skitter is town...
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #127) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:10 am

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So no point thinking about skitter until tomorrow...
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #128) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:15 am

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In post 1156, wavemode wrote:VOTE: TIAM
This vote looks bad from wave.

Right now I'm thinking wave > Sephi > implosion > flubber, but l I e I said I'm not that confident of my reads in this game. If you all care to wait a bit, I'll reread and post a revised list if necessary...
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #129) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:17 am

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That oder is most scummy to least scummy btw
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #130) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 1172, wavemode wrote:
In post 1138, Chip Butty wrote:I'm down with the plan, I think.
In post 1170, Chip Butty wrote:This vote looks bad from wave.
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I'm down with the plan, AFTER all the necessary discussion has taken place. Your vote looked opportunistic, like impatient scum going 'At last!'
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #131) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:50 am

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Skitter, you're confirmed not to have a gun by a guy I'm instructed to shoot tonight if his 2IAM read doesn't pan out, ie someone who is not locktown himself.

If 2IAM flips green and i shoot Taco and he flips red and I get NKed, at least give serious thought to scum.skitter.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #132) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:06 pm

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In post 1178, wavemode wrote:More specifically, explain to me in plain terms how you got the above from anything I've said or done today. Like, lay it out for me very simply because right now I'm flabbergasted
Aren't you overreacting just a wee bit?

It's an impression I got from the vote/unvote sequence between you, Taco, and skitter on the last page.

I actually think it is unlikely scum.Taco would put himself in a 1v1 with 2IAM at this point, so he and skitter are prob town. Then again, he's Taco. wave, why are you only expressing incredulity at my point against you, and not the one re Taco/skitter?
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #133) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:08 pm

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Also, discrediting attempts only serve to make me think I'm on to something. If you want me to death tunnel you, just do more of that.
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #134) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:18 am

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Okay, I'm back. Nothing much has happened, I see...
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #135) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:11 pm

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In post 1094, skitter30 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 338, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 337, Wossi wrote:
In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny

I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
I feel neglected :cry:
don't feel neglected.

If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?

Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.

First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.
In post 349, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 345, Wossi wrote:
In post 338, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 337, Wossi wrote:
In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny

I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
I feel neglected :cry:
don't feel neglected.

If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?

Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.

First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.

I don't think it's a non-question

If you want to lynch someone, you've got to get six other people to agree with you.
If you could just insta-kill someone, you don't
Sometimes wagons just refuse to grow on scummy players...

Okay that's a fair point. Would prob still shoot wave but Taco is also growing stronger as a contender the longer he is AWOL.
In post 628, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 625, Sephiroth wrote:
In post 623, Chip Butty wrote: What the fuck drugs are you on, moron?
The kind that made me read 611 as you. I apologize. This just makes the whole Serg + Mulch thing even weirder to me.
You conflated Taco and me? Now, that really IS insulting lol.

Either or both could be trolling the game. Either or both could be scum. Neither can be allowed to make it to lylo/mylo.
In post 737, Chip Butty wrote:In addition to my reads above, I want to make it clear i regard Mulch and Taco as LYLOabilities, a word i just made up to describe someone who would be a liability in LYLO...
In post 736, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 735, Wossi wrote:
In post 714, Lalendra wrote:I thought a normal would only have two factions?
Seph vs. Lalendra also happened because Lalendra doesn't realize (or wants us to THINK she doesn't realize) that there could be more then one faction of scum in normal.
Do you have any positive reason for raising the possibility of multibsll?


Chip, you wanna talk about these posts in light of your claimed actions?
What do you want to know, specifically?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #136) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:13 pm

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Wait, I missed the spoiler...
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #137) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:18 pm

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I guess the question is why I didn't vig one of the named players - wave, Taco, 2IAM? Main thing is, i tend to misdirect as vig, so my shots don't get traced back to me. At the very least, I don't shoot anyone I've made remarks of that kind about.

Also, at that point i don't think i was considering Dani specifically.
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #138) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:34 am

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Yeah yeah got it :roll: :P
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:10 am

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In post 1207, skitter30 wrote:If you're SK, I could totally see you taking some other shot and if the game somehow doesn't end overnight, tomorrow attribute it to Serg encouraging you to shoot elsewhere on the previous page.
Ah, the lonely existence of the vig. Feared and hated by scum, mistrusted by town.
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:35 am

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Hammertime!

VOTE: 2IAM[/vote

Can't touch this
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:36 am

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Fuck.

VOTE: 2IAM
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #142) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:42 am

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Well played scum team. Town too, for the most part. Taco, you played well except maybe for the miller fakeclaim. Skitter, you were solid. Sorry for shooting you Dany, if you're reading. Probably the low point of my vig career to date. I think i tend to choke a bit as vig. Having Mulch replace in certainly didn't help.
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