Mini Normal 1963 - List Mod Mafia Game Over
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 10, humaneatingmonkey wrote:VOTE: Flubbernugget
When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.
You meant he criticised flubber, not wave, right?In post 18, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
He criticizes wavemode for "telling him who he is", but then votes someone else.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
VOTE: Taco because it worked last timeIn post 20, Sergtacos wrote:
Vote HEM pleaseIn post 19, Sephiroth wrote:
VOTE: flubbernuggetFlubbernugget wrote:Not me
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me.
Also, why are you pushing a wagon on HEM at this point?- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 20, Sergtacos wrote:
Vote HEM pleaseIn post 19, Sephiroth wrote:
VOTE: flubbernuggetFlubbernugget wrote:Not me
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me.
That doesn't look like scum hunting to me.In post 46, wavemode wrote:"at this point"? Is it ever too early to scumhunt?- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Enquiring minds want to know.In post 75, Sergtacos wrote:
Whats it to you?In post 61, Sephiroth wrote:
Just to clarify...are you actually claiming miller?In post 54, Sergtacos wrote:hard claim miller
Also, why didn't you claim from the get-go?- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Skitter,
I've only voted/unvoted twice. First HEM. RVS vote but unvoted when his wagon took off for no reason. Taco also RVS, unvoted because of his claim, which I do have some doubts about.
Flubber: I don't mind people poking there. I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.
In fact, let's increase the heat a little:
VOTE: Flubber- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Implosion,
I'm not sure what to make of the miller claim. I played in that other game with the miller claim, with Skitter, HEM, and Taco, and the miller claim there was pretty much accepted at face value right away. I need to go back and see what the logic was, but i think it was along the lines of 'scum doesn't do it because it draws unnecessary attention'. Could be a gambit though, I guess. Overall, I'd rather leave it for another day.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
More scum than town but largely NAI early on d1 when there's not much solid to go on. Also reaction testing is a thing.In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Guys, how do you classify bullshit vote reasons? Scum or town?- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
It was mostly just early game pressure. Having said that, I don't think I've ever made that kind of joke as either alignment but i could maybe imagine doing it as scum. The thought being that maybe people would think along the lines that it might create the inpression of being town by virtue of being relaxed enough to make a joke like that. Hence 'pseudo cred', cred not based on anything real. As town i wouldn't want the aggro from the initial wave of suspicion because it would just distract from scumhunting.In post 102, skitter30 wrote:
What does this mean? Why would scum get towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion? And if people actually get towncred from doing this, why would town not do that to also get towncred? From this explanation, I don't get why what he did is AI or why you're voting him.In post 84, Chip Butty wrote:Flubber: I don't mind people poking there. I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.
In fact, let's increase the heat a little:
VOTE: Flubber
Like, this is blatantly not happening; most people are kinda sketchy on Flubber atm.
Everyone's saying that they don't like it but I still don't get why scum does this.
I'll catch up reading and see if i want to change my vote. I see wossi is the fashionable wagon now.
Same with current HEM opinion.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Is my flubber vote somehow worse than the other flubber votes? Can you explain why you singled me out?In post 177, Wickedestjr wrote:If I had another vote, it would probably go to Chip Butty. Looking forward to seeing him explain his bad Flubber vote.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Do you always signal your punches like this? If you were seriously scumhunting, you would wait for me to actually jump on that wagon. Same for skitter later. Do you think wossi is scum or not?In post 184, iDanyboy wrote:
UNVOTE:In post 181, Chip Butty wrote:I'll catch up reading and see if i want to change my vote. I see wossi is the fashionable wagon now.
Really don't like this, looking for a reason to get onto the wagon now that he is L-1, same with Srgtacos.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
It wasn't a bad push, it was an early d1 pressure push. Please return to the noob queue until you get the concept.In post 200, TwoInAMillion wrote:I thought the bad push on flub was more anti-town than then flub's idiot posting.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Eh, not sure about that. Toranaga was walling with great frequency and he somehow ended up being town.In post 253, humaneatingmonkey wrote:im partly joking but that's what i observed from the game skitter, chip butty, sergtacos, and i played.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.
VOTE: wave
This doesn't implicate wossi though, will wait until his return to assess.
Others looking scummy:
Taco for the miller thing. I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off. Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...
HEM. In our last game i strong townread him for a while before becoming paranoid and switching to scumread. I'm getting a scum vibe here too but not sure why yet.
Dany, skitter, wicked can be townish for now. Slight tl for Lalendra.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I feel neglectedIn post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny
I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.In post 337, Wossi wrote:
don't feel neglected.In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
I feel neglectedIn post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny
I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?
Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Oh okay. I thought "two-in-a-million" was your winning stats...In post 340, TwoInAMillion wrote: My 66% winning percentatge says otherwise.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Do you think he is misrepping you or not? If so just say so. If not why mention it? And why the "not mentioning by mentioning"?In post 343, Wossi wrote: I never said your pushing on me came out of nowhere. But I can see how my phrasing was unclear so I reluctantly won't call you out for manipulation/misrepping and I won't mention how you look like scum who threw all your chips on a mislynch and now need to reach to justify why you're still on my wagon
This is the scummiest thing you've posted imo. I can see why your wagon is still fashionable.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 345, Wossi wrote:In post 338, Chip Butty wrote:
I'd shoot the guy my vote is on (wave), obv. Kind of a non-question. Also for neglecting me.In post 337, Wossi wrote:
don't feel neglected.In post 336, Chip Butty wrote:
I feel neglectedIn post 327, wavemode wrote:wossi/seph/wave/skitter/serg towny
I would vote lalendra, tiam, wicked, possibly implosion
If you had an instant one shot bullet right now and had to use it, who would you shoot?
Also, what is the best strategy for reading somebody like TwoInAMillion?
First time playing with TIAM. Strikes me as a lynchbait type. Best way to read is through that filter.
I don't think it's a non-question
If you want to lynch someone, you've got to get six other people to agree with you.
If you could just insta-kill someone, you don't
Sometimes wagons just refuse to grow on scummy players...
Okay that's a fair point. Would prob still shoot wave but Taco is also growing stronger as a contender the longer he is AWOL.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Well, yeah. Given you admit to your unclear phrasing being a possible source of confusion on his part, you should probably stick to cut-and-dried. Sarcasm is probably best avoided unless you are good at making it clear in text.In post 351, Wossi wrote:
Wow I really gotta do cut and dry huh...In post 347, Chip Butty wrote:
Do you think he is misrepping you or not? If so just say so. If not why mention it? And why the "not mentioning by mentioning"?In post 343, Wossi wrote: I never said your pushing on me came out of nowhere. But I can see how my phrasing was unclear so I reluctantly won't call you out for manipulation/misrepping and I won't mention how you look like scum who threw all your chips on a mislynch and now need to reach to justify why you're still on my wagon
This is the scummiest thing you've posted imo. I can see why your wagon is still fashionable.
He might be misrepping me
He might have misread
There's no way to prove it either way
And I was being sarcastic- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Still sore because I snatched 1946 out of your hands, huh?In post 386, Mulch wrote:I can't read chip because I'm pretty sure he's negative value regardless of his allignment.
If there's a vig, shoot him. If he flips town or scum we benefit
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 466, wavemode wrote:Chip are you avoiding my question
Wasn't avoiding, just forgot. At that point wossi hadn't been past day 2 in a game here, so meta read on him is bs.In post 309, wavemode wrote:
Just to be clear, you think I'm lying? Or you think meta is not a sufficient reason to townread someoneIn post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Actually, thinking back on this game, the reason I picked Mulchy as scum was that a meta-dive revealed that manic hyperaggressive Mulch = scum.Mulch. I couldn't get town on board with it though.In post 488, Chip Butty wrote:And picked you as scum in open 698...
All three games I've been in with Mulch he has been scum, but I'm going to ignore the gambler's fallacy voice in my head and bet this is scum Mulch.
I'm not forgetting about wave though.
I also think a Mulch flip will be informative about Taco. These two were scum together in mn 1946, so will think about how they interacted there.
VOTE: Mulch- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
That's why i voted you, duh. Either you're lying or you are bizarrely optimistic about the worth of meta based on such thin data, and i don't think you're bad enough for the later, esp now 1950 has concluded. Which reminds me, i should go reread you in that game.In post 495, wavemode wrote:
So you think I'm lying. KIn post 490, Chip Butty wrote:Wasn't avoiding, just forgot. At that point wossi hadn't been past day 2 in a game here, so meta read on him is bs.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 617, Sephiroth wrote:Eh I guess Serg isn't really listening to you so much as continuing to roll the die and do whatever comes up. So really just chip following your coat tails.In post 616, Sephiroth wrote:Thats pretty funny considering how poorly you've played your intro to this game. From either alignment, you've completely screwed yourself over aside from gaining a following of loyal town idiots (chip and serg). You may be convincing to those who aren't paying attention but to anyone who is you've completely destroyed any semblance of credibility. Which makes the sense of superiority all the more amusing to me.
In post 608, Sephiroth wrote:To be fair I don't necessarily think Mulch and Serg are partners but I'm about 75% sure mulch is scum and Serg is literally just trolling. But I don't think its fair to completely dismiss the possibility given how easily Mulch abandoned his push on Serg...
What the fuck drugs are you on, moron?In post 492, Chip Butty wrote:
Actually, thinking back on this game, the reason I picked Mulchy as scum was that a meta-dive revealed that manic hyperaggressive Mulch = scum.Mulch. I couldn't get town on board with it though.In post 488, Chip Butty wrote:And picked you as scum in open 698...
All three games I've been in with Mulch he has been scum, but I'm going to ignore the gambler's fallacy voice in my head and bet this is scum Mulch.
I'm not forgetting about wave though.
I also think a Mulch flip will be informative about Taco. These two were scum together in mn 1946, so will think about how they interacted there.
VOTE: Mulch- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Have you noticed rhe way Taco has come alive in this game since Mulch entered? And not in a good (pro-town) way.In post 600, skitter30 wrote:You usually put in a lot more resistance than this, irregardless of alignment . . .
Preflips are bad yada yada yada, but I doubt Mulch and serg are scum together. (scum!mulch decides to enter the game and hardbus his partner?)- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
You conflated Taco and me? Now, that really IS insulting lol.In post 625, Sephiroth wrote:
The kind that made me read 611 as you. I apologize. This just makes the whole Serg + Mulch thing even weirder to me.In post 623, Chip Butty wrote: What the fuck drugs are you on, moron?
Either or both could be trolling the game. Either or both could be scum. Neither can be allowed to make it to lylo/mylo.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I didn't say you're bad, i said i didn't think you would be bad enough to make so much out of a thin meta read. But even if i did call you bad, i don't see how that would be amusing, given that in our only other game i copped Boon and got him lynched, pointed out LUV as scum but got nked before i could do anything about it, and even pointed out a sus associaruon from Boon to you. Only foot i put wrong was to help lynch UnaH who is lynchbait and admits it, and Porkens, who wasn't playing anything like town.Porkens in mn 1946.In post 572, wavemode wrote:
You calling me bad is mildly amusing but I'll let that go. I think you're town.In post 496, Chip Butty wrote:That's why i voted you, duh. Either you're lying or you are bizarrely optimistic about the worth of meta based on such thin data, and i don't think you're bad enough for the later, esp now 1950 has concluded. Which reminds me, i should go reread you in that game.
My Wossi read is genuine and it's based on more than just meta, as I've already explained repeatedly - so then what is my scum motivation for making up meta rather than just using in-game reasons (or, hell, no reasons. I would just say it was gut) to townread him?
Furthermore, Wossi himself could tell you if it were a lie, and I'd be running a risk coming into this game with that if it were B.S.
And Mulch also referenced the same meta but also cannot talk about it:
Now you're looking at a 3-person conspiracy if my meta is made up. Maybe simpler explanation is, I was just plain telling the truth?In post 560, Mulch wrote:
I feel as if this would be breaking site rulesIn post 559, Wossi wrote:
So explain where your meta on me comes fromIn post 558, Mulch wrote:I'm 15-1 in normal scum games- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Reading through the wossi ISO. LAL isn't a terrible policy, as someone has pointed out. If wossi has shown that policy in other games it would make him look better. Wossi, can you point to other games as town where you've been LAL?In post 37, Wossi wrote:
So why? Why would someone claim scum? Even in RVS, what might someone be thinking when they claim that?In post 36, TwoInAMillion wrote:It's possible I misunderstood, but even so, this is a game of mafia, and to beleive what someone says at face value during the RVS is a little ludicrous.
Town should never lie
VOTE: Flubbernugget
Scum claiming scum is scum and should be lynched
Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Not an unreasonable view.In post 90, Wossi wrote:In post 86, TwoInAMillion wrote:Miller claims are usually true unless there is a counter. A lot of risk involved in a scum Miller claim.
On the other hand, you probably don't want a claimed Miller in lylo unless it's someone you trust as a good player and it is an optimal situation. Too many ways the Miller claim cam divert attention in the wrong direction.
Do most games have millers? I don't think so.... it seems like it be pretty decent odds actually to fake claim miller and not get counter claimed.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Actually, looking at this I'm getting suspicious of flubber again. I need to check if he explained this "gambit". I mean, as an RVS joke I don't think flubber's scum claim is too terrible (albeit onv votebait in early game), but gambit I'm a bit uneasy about.In post 117, Wossi wrote:
please explain how claiming scum is a gambit.In post 111, Flubbernugget wrote:I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.
to anyone asking why I'm voting flubber and not skitter: there's power in wagons and there's more then one scum.
Wossi's other problem early game is with skitter. He sees skitter as overreacting to his observation that she started a wagon. I think probably overreaction on both sides, until further notice...- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Talking about his skitter push here, but seems inconsistent with the seriousness of his early flubber push.In post 329, Wossi wrote:In post 176, Wickedestjr wrote:
I said 'absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game' because I simply wasn't around. I disappeared for a whopping 22 hours and everything from Wossi that bothered me happened during that 22 hours. And you say that my vote is opportunistic, but you haven't made any effort to understand/ask about my reasons for voting Wossi. You're just making ridiculous statements about me. Let me know when you want to start listening to what I have to say.In post 152, wavemode wrote:Now WickedJr, who said absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game, then was suddenly Mr. "hey i think this Wossi guy is horrible and I believe these other four people who coincidentally are already voting him are astute mafia players whom I agree with wholeheartedly. Let me draw up some reasons Wossi is a scumlord and slap my vote there too" is the worst among them in my view. (aka Mr. I'm going to do nothing for a long time then vote Wossi 90 minutes after Nexus posts a VC showing him to be at L-3. Was the vote based on Wossi's play? Or opportunism?)
Also: I disagree with the people who are saying that Wossi gave reasons for his skitter scum read. There's a fine line between ambiguous interactions with skitter and explicitly stating reasons for scum reading her. The only comments that actually give insight into what he's thinking and why are the "I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum" and his Flubber/skitter theory.
this was on PAGE TWO! I don't understand how people seriously thought I was making a serious accusation on page two. No one catches scum on page two.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
314 seems fine.
[post=Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.]Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.[/post]
319 points out problems with implosion read, which wasn't as godawful as implosion's reads of me and Mulch. FoS at implosion.
321 points out tinfoil nature of his speculation.
324 points at wicked's vote at 108, which does actually look pretty bad.
Up to this point, I'm just not feeling the wossi wagon. More later.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 635, Chip Butty wrote:314 seems fine.
315 Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.]Has expressed clear views on several players. Views on flubber, serg, TIAM o broadly agree with. Skitter seems towny but she is good at that, certainly not locktown.
319 points out problems with implosion read, which wasn't as godawful as implosion's reads of me and Mulch. FoS at implosion.
321 points out tinfoil nature of his speculation.
324 points at wicked's vote at 108, which does actually look pretty bad.
Up to this point, I'm just not feeling the wossi wagon. More later.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
D'oh i should have remembered you don't have much meta here, because it's the basis of my scumread of wave. Have you played much mafia elsewhere?In post 642, Wossi wrote:
Nyet, because I have one other game and its ongoing.In post 631, Chip Butty wrote:
Reading through the wossi ISO. LAL isn't a terrible policy, as someone has pointed out. If wossi has shown that policy in other games it would make him look better. Wossi, can you point to other games as town where you've been LAL?In post 37, Wossi wrote:
So why? Why would someone claim scum? Even in RVS, what might someone be thinking when they claim that?In post 36, TwoInAMillion wrote:It's possible I misunderstood, but even so, this is a game of mafia, and to beleive what someone says at face value during the RVS is a little ludicrous.
Town should never lie
VOTE: Flubbernugget
Scum claiming scum is scum and should be lynched
Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched
Which is why its so weird that Mulch says his meta from me comes from somewhere other then that specific. If he says explaining further is against site rules, I'm not going to push it too much further. That said, it is odd that he could specify his meta didnt come from wavemodes game, but now can no longer discuss. It's a very convenient way to end discussion and avoid repercussions from an untrue statement.
Response to implosion when i get back.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Actually, one thing that struck me about the Mulch meta thinking about it more is that in his scum games i have seen, he has only been openly hostile to players who are scumreading him, and he often loses control under pressure.
Also, he thinks his town and scum games are indistinguishable, so he might be trying to play in a different style here as either alignment.
Finally he knows part of my meta read of him from Open 698, so the fact he attacked my ability so vehemently seems calculated to make me think he is scum, but why would he do that as either alignment? Thing is, i picked him as probscum in that game (and he was), but he failed to pick my PR.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I guess what i am saying is that I'm pulling back from my initial meta read of Mulch. His play here is similar to scum.mulch but now i realise it is different in some respects too. I have a visceral dislike for the way he has played here, and was probably influenced by that. Taco too, since Mulch joined the game.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Yeah, that's great. Why?In post 675, Sergtacos wrote:
I think Seph is town. I think Lalendra is scum.In post 671, Lalendra wrote:Not to mention that it would be fairly obvious bussing if BOTH of my scumbuddies were on my wagon. That, combined with the fact that I am so confident that they are town DESPITE the fact that they are voting me, should be all the evidence you need. I retract my earlier reads list; you are just manufacturing scumtells at this point, not to mention the blatant misrep re: my 580.
VOTE: Sephiroth- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 379, Mulch wrote:
I don't really care if you scumread me tbh. Also, if I were you I woild be sheeping people with better reads than you.In post 376, TwoInAMillion wrote:First thing you have to say is WIFOM? Doesn't exactly make me think you're town.
Finally you don't know what wifom is. Sorry budIn post 386, Mulch wrote:I can't read chip because I'm pretty sure he's negative value regardless of his allignment.
If there's a vig, shoot him. If he flips town or scum we benefitIn post 398, Mulch wrote:Skitter is your case really based on post 13? Really? Cmon man its page 1. Your kind of obvious town here but no offense that case is shitIn post 445, Mulch wrote:VOTE: chip
Gonna place this vote because i think he's useless as town too
Let's Lynch chipIn post 448, Mulch wrote:
Have you noticed that you have bad reads consistently throughout every gameIn post 447, TwoInAMillion wrote:Okay cool, three players to add to my townpool.
...
Ever wonder whyIn post 452, Mulch wrote:Anyway tiam sometimes you have to realize that if everyone else is "always" wrong, maybe ur just bad
No offenseIn post 472, Mulch wrote:
Love this, this is town,In post 469, implosion wrote:It's more than a little frustrating seeing the only reason given for Wossi being town still be invisible meta. Meta's a fine tool but I put 0 weight in meta arguments that can't be explained.
That said, I'm trying to take a step back on Wossi because I am starting to read what he's saying in a biased light. I can see potentially a bit of townpoints for him for the way he's reacting to his wagon as time goes on given his apparent willingness to lash out at every direction on his wagon. It's not good scum play to throw shade at everyone who's voted you (me, lalendra, idany, wicked, maybe others i've missed). It's not good town play either per se (it sort of reeks of OMGUS with the frequency with which he's doing it, which is not really a scumtell but is not good town play) but it's more understandable from town who's just mad at their wagon. I don't think this outweighs the reasons I've seen for him to be scum though.
Trust me on this?
Let's lynch Chip butty. What's the worse that could happen?In post 514, Mulch wrote:A) It's not policy because he's in my PoE but OUT of the people in the PoE, he's the most useless
B) Because day 1 scumreads are almost always wrong, plus yours is wrong casuse he had a perfectly towny day 1In post 604, Mulch wrote:
I meanIn post 600, skitter30 wrote:You usually put in a lot more resistance than this, irregardless of alignment . . .
Preflips are bad yada yada yada, but I doubt Mulch and serg are scum together. (scum!mulch decides to enter the game and hardbus his partner?)
It'd your fault your scumreading me, not mine
I found scum in chip and lalendra, your fault for not having better readsIn post 613, Mulch wrote:Ur classic bad at the game awful scum
@implosion: These are some of the posts that had me calling Mulchy hyperaggressive. You disagreed, which was one of the three points in your read of me. Maybe i just noticed it more because a good deal of it is directed at me.In post 621, Mulch wrote:
Your voting town and I'm voting scumIn post 620, Sephiroth wrote:Plus I scum read Lalendra also so maybe you should try reading...
Lmao
You are worse
Your third point was that info is not a good reason to lynch. I partially disagree: info is a good supplemental reason to lynch, which is exactly how i presented it.
Your first point was that my mulch read was 1 dimensional, and there is something in that, which i have since addressed. But until you've done your own mulch metadive i can't see how you could vote me because of mine. If you think my meta on mulch is actually misleading, based on your own, then fine.
So yeah, maybe 'godawful' was a bit strong, but i was/am pissed at mulch/taco's playstyle here so I'm probably reacting too strongly to criticism generally.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I responded to this in my mind, sorry.In post 498, Wickedestjr wrote:Caught up. Phew.
Can you explain the bolded part of this? You think that Serg would just maintain the lie as town?In post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Others looking scummy:
Taco for the miller thing.I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off.Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...
Can you explain this?In post 377, Mulch wrote:I doubt lalendra is scum,because my gut says that sergetacos would not be this obvious to break a tie. Probably one scum on lalendra, let me find them real quick
(Responding to Wossi next)
One thing i want to mention is that Taco said mn 1946 was his first scum game, so he is inexperienced scum, the kind who might jump into a miller fakeclaim without thinking through all the implications, and who might get cold feet when the claim met a lukewarm to hostile reception.
I'm going to rethink this. My initial post there w as based on me thunking scum might get cold feet, but unless something happened to make them suspect the presence of a rolecop or something, I'm not sure why they would get cold feet.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
I think if town has fakeclaimed miller and there has been no cc, the protown thing to do would be to stand firm and hope there is a cop variant who can clear you if necessary. You return green to cops so that's a fair chance. If you can sell it, you become a slot town doesn't worry about, and if you can't you can hope for a clearing check. But backtracking just creates confusion in town minds and detracts from the scum hunt. You might even draw the NK at some point if you are widely believed, which is good as long as you are vt.In post 684, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay can you explain the bolded part though?
So what Taco has done is scummy at worst and antitown at best.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
You've said elsewhere that Dany is on your scum list and Taco is town, but this post only makes sense if you think both are scum. Have you managed to resolve this apparent contradiction? What is your current position on each player, and this post?In post 362, Lalendra wrote:Dany - "Sergtacos claimed miller, a miller claim by itself is not a reason to suspect someone or is it enough to clear someone but it also doesn't require us to put our focus on it." It sounds as if you're basically saying that the Miller claim isn't worth discussing. It's not a reason to suspect, but it's not a reason to clear, and we don't need to focus on it. Why do you think the claim was made? What motivation can you see for it that warrants easy dismissal?- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Do you even know what locktown means? Okay, maybe you could read these guys as town, but locktown???In post 652, Lalendra wrote:
All three of us are locktown.In post 650, Wossi wrote:
I agree, two out of three. Lalendra is scum and Serg is town. Mulch, however, is scum- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
Can you give current reads for your four scum reads here please?In post 655, Lalendra wrote:I do still believe that Mulch/Serg are town though. So is flub. Scum is in chip/dany/tiam/wossi. The rest are null for me at the moment.- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
In post 306, Chip Butty wrote:Just did a complete reread of the game. Scummest so far is wave's 'meta' tr of wossi.
VOTE: wave
This doesn't implicate wossi though, will wait until his return to assess.
Others looking scummy:
Taco for the miller thing. I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off. Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...
HEM. In our last game i strong townread him for a while before becoming paranoid and switching to scumread. I'm getting a scum vibe here too but not sure why yet.
Dany, skitter, wicked can be townish for now. Slight tl for Lalendra.
Update:In post 307, Chip Butty wrote:Implosion and Sephi also towner flubber null TIAM scumlean
Dani, Sephiroth, implosion still towner.
Wicked slightly towner, and skitter down to neutral
Wossi neutral
Flubber neutral but I'm going to iso him next
TIAM still slightly scummer
HEM/Mulch, wave, and Taco still scummer
Lalendra now scummer- Chip Butty
-
Chip Butty Mafia Scum
- Chip Butty
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3943
- Joined: February 17, 2016
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty
- Chip Butty