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VOTE: wosi

As skitter noted, they waited until it felt safe to hop on my wagon before voting.

I also scum read chip butty. In 44 they remove their rvs vote, but in the subsequent post place a new rvs vote.

Sephiroph, I think you are town, but I don't like the activity precedent you are trying to set, and I'm being upfront now about probably not following it.

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Hey guys, for the sake of town's best interest, I just want to he upfront about the fact that my favorite color is red

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Skitter

Why did you wait to vote wosi?

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Lalendra

My point to tiam is that town withold a lot of information from a game due to it being irrelevant to finding alignments.

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Also I don't think Sephiroph has done anything ate worthy aym

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*at the moment

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I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.

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I'm not 100% clear on why humaneatingmonkey is scum reading me.

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Not good enough if he's trying to push me to L1

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I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.

please explain how claiming scum is a gambit.

The risk is in getting a town mislynched.

The reward is getting a wealth of discussion to analyze.

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That second part is a thing I did immediately after "claiming scum" btw so as weak as a gambit it was it still ultimately paid off.

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Implosion,

I doubt the whole scum team is on my wagon. Where else is a good place to look for scum?

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I'm not lynchbait

This town is just attracted to shiny objects

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Wave, I disagree with every point in 138

Sorry dude

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I feel bad for skitter constantly having to repeat themselves.

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I need to catch up. Not many posts, but they are substantial, and I'd like to reread some of the skitter interactions.

When I first played with wavemode, I dismissed them as stupid town. They were scum. From skimming the others' posts about him, it sounds like he's playing the "stupid town" card again. I will confirm this with my own eyes on catch up.

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Wavemode's misrepresentation of skitter's scum read on wosi as a function of time as opposed to events is extremely dishonest. I expect a wosi scum flip to implicate wave.

Hard reminder that tells based on a timespan are ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHITTY ASS GARBAGE AND IF YOU'RE USING THEM YOU SHOULD FEEL REALLY FUCKING BAD ABOUT YOURSELF.

There are a couple of interactions between wavemode and skitter that I didn't bother to read. It is probably safe to assume they're rehashing their points back and forth.

Sephiroph, what post are you arguing with tacos about? It's probably one of the early ones.

There's a lot of tunneling in this thread atm, and I don't think it's particularly useful. The most substantial reads atm are still from before page 5ish.

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Dani

Your point is fair. I shouldn't have conflated word count with substance.

I think that skitter is town. I liked skitter's point against wossi, and they are still interacting with other players.

Wave is probably town because I'm only taking issue with one of their pushes. Even if I don't like their pushes, as per their recollection of the game I played with him I'm willing to offer the benefit of the doubt that there's a method to their madness.

My scum reads on wossi and chip butter have not changed much, if at all.

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I might add lalendra to my scum pool. I think it's fair to be frustrated with a change in site meta in regards to reading post timing (which is a frustration I've already hinted at btw), while still being apathetic to this game. Throwing suspicion on me and then voting for my counterwagon also doesn't make much sense. Their "scum read" on wossi also looks like role fishing.

The only reason this isn't a hard scum read is because lalendra is known to be lynchable.

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I don't think I threw suspicion on you, in fact I think I was defending you when others were suspecting you because of what you posted, but that's fine.

Blatant lie.

Really not liking Flub's last post, it's really aggressive on the one hand while also admitting to not really giving a shit about the game on the other. If you're town imma need you to do better than that.

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Cool I have three scum reads now

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Skitter

I note pre flip associatives sometimes, but it would be stupid to incorporate those into my reads.

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Humanmonkey is really long winded yet his reads are just gut

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Wicked, I answered Danny's question somewhat implicitly. I pretty much flipped that part of my read on him once he cited I had his alignment backwards from the game I played with him.

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Catch up soon.

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OK, that's it for today. I'm going to be pretty low effort and low time to this game.

VOTE: sergetacos

I do think his Miller claim is towny tho.

You're going "low effort" after having a scum pool of *nine* people and voting for someone you don't even have a solid scum read on?

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VOTE: Mulch

In addition to the post cited above:

-> ISO is FULL of wishy washy language around his reads.

-> x read because meta means "i need room to fabricate reads so I can strategize my lynches"

-> Has tried to invoke policy reasoning on both of his votes. Also somehow considering chip butty less useful than tiam is absolute bullshit.

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Since when is indecision scummy?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAfart

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"why is making sure my options are open for the lynch scummy"

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Wicked, I don't like that the best you can come up with to vote wossi is looking all the way back to the beginning of the thread.

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I mean, it's not

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Wicked, I don't like that the best you can come up with to vote wossi is looking all the way back to the beginning of the thread.

I'm not going to give him a free pass for something just because it happened early on. His explanation doesn't make sense. After what page number can I look for reasons to vote someone?

It's not about page numbers. It's that scum does more than one scummy thing, and giving early game reasoning the benefit of the doubt is usually a good thing to do.

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I'm not scum reading wossi any more. Literally everyone trying to push him can only point to his early game play. That's suspicious.

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prodge for now, hope to get to this tomorrow

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oh good its time to hammer mulch now

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I'm going to review from Mulch replacing in onward.

No eta at the moment, sorry.

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Implosion's most recent post is bad. He is questioning a hammer on the player he agreed was to be yesterday's lynch, and is now open to considering the majority of the game to be scum.

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While i was reading more, Mulch pinged me town af. If Mulch is scum this game then gg but so far I have him town locked.

UNVOTE: Mulch

If you are scum reading serg, I would like to know whether or not you think this is a white knight.

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I've skimmed up to 22, and serg is pretty hard off the Mulch wagon.

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I have to prodge, sorry.

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I was going to vote for lalendra but that wagon build up was fast as hell.

VOTE: serg

He's been a very controversial and scum read slot, and I'm going to consider his reaction to the mulch wagon a white knight. It's not lining up with his recent omgus plays

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Am I not allowed to question a vote on someone just because I also suspected them?

I was pretty clear that the part of what I found questionable wasn't just the brute fact of him voting Mulch. It was the fact that it didn't even acknowledge the fact that Mulch had just called him scum.

You're allowed to do whatever you want. I'll judge it accordingly. I don't see a reason to acknowledge someone you're about to hammer calling you scum.

Your point about having more focused scum reads inside who you are considering for scum is fair.

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Cool

Your scumbuddies tell you to say that?

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VOTE: tiam

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Hngh

UNVOTE:

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I'm drunk and I have a small little notepad of things I want to say to you right now and I'm pretty sure they would all get me banned

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I guess that means the troll wins then

Life is a bitch

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I respect you guys wanting to try and solve the game but there's no way to infer anything from TIAM's hammer. All we really have is that this game is a lost cause if they're town.

I'll vote in a few days because there's a few good posts here like chip's most recent ones but I'm not expecting much and I'm kinda demotivated atm.

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I need to prod dodge, sorry.

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At first I was thinking that massclaim would be tomorrow if lynching tiam didn't bring us to endgame

Now I'm thinking it might help determine their alignment.

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I'm VT

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7 days to deadline means very little time to discuss the massclaim

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i really wanna quit but know whats funny? I might die tonight know why? Because I lied about being a VT, I'm a gunsmith, 2 in a million has a gun.

Why the FUCK did you wait till the day was halfway over to say this

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Setup is balanced. I don't think scum attempted to fakeclaim pr's here.

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Well...maaaaybe tiam isn't a roleblocker, but he really just needs rope

I guess I should have said scum is in the VT's

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VOTE: tiam

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Two days to deadline.

Stop the circle jerk

Start the votes

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self vote would make me happier

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Lol towninamillion

Confirmed bastard setup

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So I don't think tiam was ever in bussing territory until that quick hammer

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Nor was he ever wagoned
hnnngh

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I'm going to try to read through last day phase by the end of today

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Where did scum doc come from

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Yeah I don't believe wavemode

-> setup was balanced at massclaim and wave didn't challenge it.

-> tiam tried a shitty role gambit that I don't think he was smart enough to conjure up himself. That means he was coached. It makes sense for scum wave to be consistent with role gambiting.

-> Sephiroph has been a town read of mine for the majority of the game.

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Skitter said something that led me to believe implosion is the second scum. I don't remember what it was though.

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Like if scum!VC!wave gets a 'not vanilla' result on townie!PR!Seph, I feel like Seph would just claim PR, but didn't.

Wave,

This is what actual circular reasoning looks like

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The idea that a single investigation is more valuable than properly working with the town through massclaim is what being crackbrained actually looks like

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If you're town and genuinely think you would have been killed, you just cost us a vig at mylo

Don't be this stupid and then act surprised I guess?

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You'd have a FUCKING GUILTY

***IF***

you're town.

The only way you would be town right now is if you're incredibly stupid. I don't think you're stupid, but you're welcome to argue to me otherwise.

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The idea that a single investigation is more valuable than properly working with the town through massclaim is what being crackbrained actually looks like

I mean . . . .Serg was hoping to do the same thing yesterday.

If you're town and genuinely think you would have been killed, you just cost us a vig at mylo

And that vig was suspected to be a maybe!SK, and decided to shoot a guy who was townread instead of the guy who quickhammered, so yeah.

Plenty of people have done idiotic things this game, so wave not claiming yesterday doesn't raise that many red-flags for me right now tbh.

The player that comes off as less competent than wavemode came to their senses sooner than wavemode. That doesn't tell you something?

Wave openly admitted that scum needed to kill chip, and is still arguing that scum would have killed him instead. You're arguing things for wave that he didn't believe in.

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You keep doing this gaslighting thing where you're obtusely arguing from the premise that you're town. Stop doing that.

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Town doesn't backtrack on their words like this with a facade of insults to cover it up.

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I think I believe wave's claim, on the premise that I'm not entirely sure what it buys him as scum.

A successful fake guilty literally buys wavemode the game.

This is a bold faced lie.

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The opinion that town getting a guilty on scum in mylo of all places vs killing scum OR lowering the mislynch pool is stupid.

I'm not letting wave repeat himself until someone listens.

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It's "bald-faced lie"*

i think you're on the wrong trying of thought here

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I mean, if the scumteam know what's good for them they should shoot Chip regardless of his alignment.

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mine is bigger

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THAT'S WHY NOT CLAIMING YESTERDAY WAS EITHER SCUM MOTIVATED OR FUCKING STUPID.

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I don't understand why you're fence sitting on such a blatant lie in this game.

Do you think wave has the win rates in his sig from making really bad plays?

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We weren't as worried about serg's claim for several reasons, notably:

-> it aligned with his competence and his experience with irl mafia, where gambits like that make more sense
-> The motivations behind it were less sinister. If we believe wave, we lose *now.* Believing serg gave us time to flip his confirmation if need be

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The way you're trying to case me reeks of desperate to not be lynched.

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extend deadline

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I'm trying to find the posts that made me think you were the investigative so that I can see if this matches the way you were behaving day 3, but I can't pin it to specific posts :/ I think it was a subconscious thing.

This is textbook confirmation bias.

The only thing wave has used to try and prove his claim is a really bad crumb. That's extremely telling.

Remember jjh's recent game? That's what playing to a power role looks like. Hinting that the neighborizor needed to be offed regardless of alignment played to my role. Immediately trusting the D1 pr claim because of how it played to my role. Wave has done nothing close to that, and if he had, he would have noted it.

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I had to make a survivalistic case as scum a few games back. I'll pull it up and compare it to implosion's soon

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viewtopic.php?p=9169439#p9169439

So here's that scum case I was talking about.

Several points:

-> You can't cross reference everything that's been stated because of the sheer volume of granular points
-> Those same granular points are easy to fake because a townie with confirmation bias can come to similar points looking at each individual detail from the perspective of the accused being scum.
-> Many points only make sense in a bubble (of course my read on wossi was flipping. He had a hard time playing to his inactivity. Can you think of another player that has this issue...?)

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Also, saying "I guess I'll make a case on flubber since I need one to win" vs "I am thoroughly convinced by my own alignment and POE that flubber is scum" is extremely telling.

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How do I "play to" odd night vanilla cop beyond catching people lying in massclaim

And I suppose remaining patient on implosion in the early game

-> don't have a high presence in the game

-> don't make bad crumbs

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Also everyone's reads are so transparent atm that any night kill analysis should probably be dismissed as wifom.

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It's only meaningless because it caught you sweetheart <3

Play better next time

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comparison with something he did once and then claiming that I'm doing the same thing is just asinine

Why

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Calling my case on him a collection of a lot of granular points is just an excuse to not respond to the very coarse main focus of why I think he's scum

Oh so you have one granular point instead of several?

Looks like my scum game is better than yours!

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which is his reads having no cohesion from moment to moment.

See my trajectory is actually townie giving the context you continue to ignore, but considering you need a mislynch I understand why you're hiding it

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1388 is also asinine; "I would have phrased it this way" is completely meaningless. I do, in fact, need to convince skitter that Flubber is scum to win this game (assuming I'm correct).

I already answered this but I'll do so again

Town find scum one way

Scum "find" scum another

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Do you see how this works now?

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mylo as scum is a lot more exciting than mylo as town

Don't let wave not caring about his family influence this game and he can get fucked for playing that card post-game too

VOTE: wave 22 hours to deadline

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Looking back I'm astounded town flubber could actually justify taking that position

Like, wow

And if you ever did that again I would make the same decision.

Cops are not supposed to be around in mylo/lylo

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Regardless, sephiroph and implosion played an exceptional game. I had no suspicions of them until late game.

Thank you for modding nexus

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I don't think it's reasonable to call someone "bleeding town" and then pick apart their fakeclaim in the same post.

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Ehhh..., what I'm really trying to say is don't be so hard on yourself.