Mini 1962: Magical Girls Mafia II (Day 4)

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me too

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What am I verifying?

Almost50 thinks you're town mainly because of the claim point argument D1.
I'm saying that's the type of thing you'd probably do regardless of alignment.

Is it?

^^^LLD you too.

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Nah, they didn't.

Mulch and I thought we were obvscum the whole game lul. We were just covering each other because a few things we did only one of us could "fake".

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Shea's ability cop practically guilties me and panzer becuz we have "scum abilities"

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Ali's ability pseudo guiltied too in a way iirc.

+ 2 all town nhoods + conditional IC + A50 gettingmeta confed

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I mean being obv is fine if ur always the second choice.

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Is it quick's quote.

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Is it quick's quote.

I like this one more, can u quote im on phone.

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Go read our gladiate, its conflated with forced redirect.

They also see all of panzers forms including ninja i think since the active is transforming.

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On phone.

But i think the disagreement is that I think town players correctly reading ppl in their nhood is expected play while you think its good play.

Probably because we're each signifigantly better at opposing alignments?

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Only skimmed but I think i've have a 100% nhood readrate over a nontrivial samplesize so i'll politely disagree for now

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Only skimmed but I think i've have a 100% nhood readrate over a nontrivial samplesize so i'll politely disagree for now

You are also a Paragon nominee.

I'm telling you that us town plebeians can't do that shit.

Yeah

, I am the poster child for the mason gambit, claiming neighborhoods are masonries. Yeah, my success rate so far is disproportionately high. However, I'd be the first to admit. My "masonries" being so? Purely luck of the draw. Not skill. I don't have a magical, mystical, reads-my-neighborhood-correctly, skill. I just treat them as if they're town and most of the time because statistically speaking players are more likely to be town I end up being right.

My neighborhood accuracy reading-wise rate would in fact be exactly what you'd expect it to be. 60-80%, leaning more towards 75%. 3/4ths of the time townreading them I'm right, but sometimes I am disastrously wrong. If I tried to actually read my neighborhoods rather than just assuming they were town. I would encounter trouble every single time. Because I CANNOT read them nor should anyone claim they can.

Yeah

, there are certain neighborhoods where you can read the people just fine. If I got a neighborhood with Ginngie, fuck yes I'd be able to tell she was town or scum from it. But if you're paired with some random scummer, as I was this game? NOPE. Noooooooot a clue. We figured it out EVENTUALLY, but it took in-thread posting for us to do so because we don't have that close connection with them.

My point is that it's easier to read ppl you're in a nhood with than ones you're JUST in the game thread with just because you're able to try more stuff. I think you agree with that?

I find all-town nhoods VERY scary as scum because it's really hard for us to manipulate what's going on in them. It's not like a neighborizer where they have to choose a player, there's just a bunch of players in their own universe who are able to do godknowswhat that we have no influence over.

So yeah, I think their being two all-town neighborhoods is certainly something that helps town a lot and their existence is the main reason why we felt poe'd at some point. Balance-wise it certainly wasn't net zero. Imagine if the nhoods just didn't exist. This would have been more onesided.

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Lolu

"balancing things"

But honestly I think that's a mistake.
I don't know how to count mixed alignment ones.
But from experience it's realllly easy to figure out when a hood is all town and it's creating a scum-free space that intrisically-exists even if the players don't know it from the get-go

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No, I don't. I disagree. It is ONLY easier to read the person in the neighborhood if it is someone you hold a degree of intimate familiarity with--otherwise, the neighborhood makes sorting their alignment genuinely harder, rather than easier. (That's one of the motivating factors behind my mason gambit, in fact: I would just rather assume town than put in the effort of sorting the player because I find it difficult to impossible to sort the player.)

ehh, I think you're doing it wrong then.
We can talk about this more out of thread if you want but that's a pretty big fundamental disagreement so.

Neighborhood bias was absent this game. I repeat.

I HIGHLY doubt that for the neighborhood that you weren't in and I certainly don't think they're suspicious for it.

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idk if you remember but back in the day I took neighborizer everytime I could in PYP or anything similar because I basically think of it as a delayed cop + masonizer if they're town.

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I mean you only think they're net neutral because you don't think it makes it signifigantly easier to read people. That's where our core disagreement lies.

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idk if you remember but back in the day I took neighborizer everytime I could in PYP or anything similar because I basically think of it as a delayed cop + masonizer if they're town.

Yeah.
NEIGHBORIZER.

Not neighbor.

Neighborizers get to choose their neighbor--this means that, depending on who they pick, they can get a really good read on the player.

Neighbors you get no choice. You're stuck with who you're stuck with, regardless of their alignment or role. And if you have little in the way of baseline for them...then you have extra nothing in terms of reading them.

You have everything you would have had to read them with if there wasn't a neighborhood PLUS the neighorhood.

I don't see how that could make it anything but easier and at my personal statistics fall in line with that.

Maybe I'm the anamoly and we can check people's read accuracy on people they're in nhoods with sitewise vs. there normal read accuracy but I'm far too lazy for that.

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Yeah I disagree there.

I think it makes it signifigantly easier to read any arbitrary player.

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I mean the whole human nature thing is why my first and primary line of investigation (time permitting) is as close to purely data-driven as possible. Often time my job in thread is just to generate the shit I need to analyze if other people are doing it for me already. A neighborhood only helps with that. Think about it this way: A well-programmed AI learning mafia would almost certainly want and perform better with more data (in this case the extra posts it would have access to in a neighborhood).

Also, the whole "more information is not necessarily good because most humans are bad at it" argument is one I find silly. A big part of this game is finding and adapting techniques that work and don't work and overcoming natural human tendecies is a big part of that. I actually think if everyone had this mindset being scum would be much harder because they have to find the metrics town are using first to adapt to them while town just has to find metrics that work and keep said metrics hidden. Just because most people don't bother trying shit to overcome what they're naturally not very good at doesn't mean that said techniques don't exist.

But I'll concede what you saying is probably true for most players and they're probably what games should be balanced around for the most part.

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Nhood QT's and Dead QT and any other QT's plzplz

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Main argument me and the French maid are making is that all town neighborhoods are good for town. I'll agree that on average scum in neighborhoods are able to outplay the town in them.

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You don't have to do anything to warrant a wagon lol.

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The whole concept of "I need to have done something I understand to have been scummy to warrant being lynched" is kinda silly tbh.