Don't like this responce to being voted.In post 31, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Because you post walls a ton of them. But that's merely opinion.
So you vote me because of a null read.
So why your vote on me and not mafia who is unreadable is that for the whole game or just at the start?
What about Lalendra feels town to you? I have her as null.In post 52, havingfitz wrote:Lalendra feels town to me. Math probably as well.
You clearly explained that you were voting her because you read one of her posts as scum and one as town and you were voting as an attempt to sort her better. Her then saying why are you voting me, a null read, instead of NM, your other null read, comes across as overlooking the main point of the vote and a bit defensive. Your vote was clearly there just to get more out of her and from a town perspective I would expect someone to instead of responding to the post in a defensive way to post other things to help others sort them.In post 58, Mathdino wrote: I like you but all your reads except me are backwards. What about the response is weird?
You could be right about the defensiveness not actually being defensiveness. In my experience scum have been caught before for being too defensive which is why I brought it up but I probably wouldn't lynch over it alone. I'm also using the term defensive loosely. It might be better described as deflective. I still want to leave my vote here though at least until I get a stronger read on her.In post 65, Mathdino wrote: I love your reasoning on Elmo from a rhetorical standpoint but I think defenciveness is an overused scumtell, especially on experienced players. You're right that Elmo had no reason to be defencive about my vote. Which is why I don't think it was defenciveness, more confused flailing attempted scumhunting. The meta on this site is, in my experience, to just ignore early votes on you if you don't want to be scumread.
Looking this over again I noticed the use of the word "you" in 19 is a bit odd. Maybe I'm nitpicking over it not being "we". What do you think?In post 19, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Like Fitz just said though. Let's say the big takes a shot and misses. You then have what a 75% chance of nailing scum and then granted if I did quick math it's lylo but the odds are very heavily in towns favor for an actual win of the game.1st post reads town on gut. 2nd post reads scum because it's like it's talking to the town being like "Hey it's not unfair, you guys have a chance". 3rd post is ancillarily helpful in an unfortunately low effort way. At the very least I can appreciate the utility of the Elmo wagon pressuring her to actually do something, but her response leans town.In post 47, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Your Meta is to be a nit picky with your vote. And you like walls.
This is fair.Lalendra's actions all seem focused around getting scum. She pressures me and gets me to explain myself more instead of pouncing on me, then announces the results of that pressure.
The "what does this have to with scumhunting" is part of where the townlean comes from. The "are you trying to look busy" was rhetorical I think.Chip's "what does this have to do with scumhunting?" question was reasonable but the "are you trying to look busy????" is classic suspicion-throwing in the form of asking dumb questions that amount to "are you scum using [x] strategy?" which everyone will always answer 'no' to.
Haha thanks! Which post are you talking about? You're getting scum motivation from my post or a different one?I like Raya as a player (I read through your Newbie scum game with nancy, respect for that) but I'm getting a lot of scum motivation from that post. N_M's vote is good but I think better served on Bins.
I did this as worse case scenario. You're right about the scum partner thing. We'll just have to be careful in choosing our lynch candidate.In post 95, Mathdino wrote:Your Math is roughly correct but keep in mind lynches aren't random, and this hurts town. The very presence of scumpartner reduces the chances of a scum lynch. Plus, in 4v3v1, we've essentially already lost. Lynching SK gives mafia majority, and lynching mafia allows both to hit 2 more town. That all said, this is largely game irrelevant now.In post 93, Raya36 wrote:UNVOTE: Elmo
So we are down two town rn so there are 12 in the game total. There are three scum in the game and one sk which makes 8v3v1. Rn we have a 25% chance of hitting scum. So if we mislynch, scum get a kill, sk gets a kill and hits a townie, and vig misses we are now down 4 more townies. We'll have 8 total players 3 of which are scum and 1 is sk. We would be in a 4v3v1 situation. Lylo and a 50% chance of hitting anyone but town. About a 38% chance of hitting scum.
Did I do the same calculations as you?
Oh, it wasn't supposed to be in responce but I see how it looks that way now. I unvoted because I was only keeping the vote more to get more out of Elmo and she posted so I didn't see much use in keeping my vote there anymore.Your unvote in response to me pushing the shittiness of the Elmo wagon, without putting your vote somewhere else, doesn't really help your case tbh.
I'm not convinced on that being a scumslip. Town should be hunting scum not the sk but the sk is still a threat so her post is completely reasonable. There's just one sk and to eliminate them will remove an extra kill every night so I definitely see the logic behind the post. I think this is honestly just a poorly thought out idea coming from town. Bins 97 comes across as really genuine too.Raya if you want a good place to park your vote, try here.
awww thanks!In post 149, Mathdino wrote:Raya is a good player
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Nope. I just don't think it's a good way to go about finding scum and 99% of the time it will be wrong. Math has done tons this game but I think his energy would be better spent elsewhere than diving into meta and preflip associates to try to solve the entire game D1. The meta is fine and he's correct in saying that as scum I tend to avoid my partners in the thread but this info would be better used after a flip and not to try to solve the game solely based on assuming I'm scum.In post 238, Maxous wrote: ok, but are you suggesting Mathdino is scum because he's trying to force a scumteam so early?
or more likely to be scum at least
No, I get this and I'm not trying to say his read is bad but I think the attempt to find the team is bad.In post 248, Bins wrote: I don't think Math's main reason for scumreading you is because you fit in the scumteam he has.
1) had a bit of a defensive vibeIn post 274, havingfitz wrote:1) I didn't say I didn't believe your claim. FTR I'm inclined to.In post 269, Mathdino wrote:Thanks for not believing me.
2) I'm not going to blindly believe you...I've been burned before.
3) If we do decide to believe you I'd prefer the sure thing for today's lynch and discuss likely associations for vig (and sk?) to act on tonight following a Bins scum flip.
P.edit Lalendra looking worse every post she makes...smh.
1) "I didn't say that" and the "FTR" just made it sound imo. Anyone else getting this vibe too or is it just me?In post 285, havingfitz wrote: 1) says I'm inclined to believe Math in response to him saying I don't. HTF is that defensive?
2) I said why. I've been burned by jumping to believe claims before. No need to rush a claim reaction yet.
Nope. This is just you trying to discredit what I'm saying. Nice try.Your posts are bad Raya. Like you're just posting shit for the sake of posting.
234 is shade being thrown if I've ever seen it.P edit...what pish on Lalendra? Not liking her recent posts? Pointing out the flaws in her Sauce accusations? Smh....ok.....
