Micro 767: Spyro the Dragon Mafia - Game Over

[northsidegal]

i don't think that being against the massclaim necessarily implies that people are scum – i wouldn't even say that it's a scumtell in itself.

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.07

Alisaes French Maid (1)-

garaputo

garaputo (2)-

Radical Rat, northsidegal

northsidegal (1)-

Alisaes French Maid

Wisdom (0)-

Radical Rat (1)-

BuJaber

BuJaber (1)-

Wisdom

UC Voyager (1)-

Kublai Khan

Kublai Khan (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

UC Voyager

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-10 13:15:00) - Jan 10th 13:15 GMT

Spyro Trivia

The Japanese version of Spyro the Dragon came with a Tamagotchi like game which allowed you to power up Sparx on a Japan-only peripheral called the Pocket Station

[garaputo]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

[Kublai Khan]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

[garaputo]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

Depends, is your goal to kill town?

[Kublai Khan]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

Depends, is your goal to kill town?

You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.

[garaputo]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

Depends, is your goal to kill town?

You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.

I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.

Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.

[Kublai Khan]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

Depends, is your goal to kill town?

You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.

I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.

Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.

So, do you want to comment on any of it? I mean, I'm not sure how tongue-in-cheek stuff is helping. We need to come up with a Day 1 plan instead of dicking around.

[garaputo]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.

Would it be a bad idea to vig you?

Depends, is your goal to kill town?

You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.

I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.

Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.

So, do you want to comment on any of it? I mean, I'm not sure how tongue-in-cheek stuff is helping. We need to come up with a Day 1 plan instead of dicking around.

I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.

I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.

If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.

[Kublai Khan]

I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.

I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.

If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.

Okay. I'm trying to work with you. But none of that was helpful.

Think beyond "how does this affect me personally" and think about how best to get town to win this game. I want to give you a hand in choosing who I vig, but in return you have to reveal your role. That's the deal.

You can choose not to and you'll be a potential vig victim. In which case (since you still didn't read my "noise"), you would still be alive and mod-confirmed town and I would be dead.

[garaputo]

I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.

I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.

If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.

Okay. I'm trying to work with you. But none of that was helpful.

Think beyond "how does this affect me personally" and think about how best to get town to win this game. I want to give you a hand in choosing who I vig, but in return you have to reveal your role. That's the deal.

You can choose not to and you'll be a potential vig victim. In which case (since you still didn't read my "noise"), you would still be alive and mod-confirmed town and I would be dead.

I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.

I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.

[Kublai Khan]

I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.

No deal.

I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.

Why are you putting off responding to it?

[garaputo]

I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.

No deal.

I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.

Why are you putting off responding to it?

I'm not, I am actively saying I have nothing else that I plan to respond to in that post. It's not like it's full of questions for me to answer. You stated some information. I responded to the part of that post that had to do with what we were discussing.

[Alisaes French Maid]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

Tbh I don't mind being shot.
I am pretty confident in my ability to find a town that isn't Rat and just POE.

Ima play this game tonight when I am done talking to someone btw.

[Alisaes French Maid]

My finger is kinda healed, not really but I can type I think?
Prolly not the healthiest thing to do for it but whatever!

[garaputo]

Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.

Tbh I don't mind being shot.
I am pretty confident in my ability to find a town that isn't Rat and just POE.

Ima play this game tonight when I am done talking to someone btw.

Case 1: You are town and are advocating another town dying to put a big target on your back.

Case 2: You are scum, in which case, nice bluff I guess?

Either way wanting to be vigged here seems sort of, unwise.

[Alisaes French Maid]

Either way we are left with 1 conf town.
It isn't a big deal to me tbh + being an IC would be nice.

[Alisaes French Maid]

Like the game is nightless its not like the conf town among KK's target / himself is going to die if he shoots correctly or incorrectly.

[Kublai Khan]

Either way we are left with 1 conf town.
It isn't a big deal to me tbh + being an IC would be nice.

You know what's better than a dead towny and you being a conftown?

A dead scum.

Your "shoot me!" bluff is scummy WIFOM. Being pro-mass claim would be town.

[Alisaes French Maid]

I mean I guess?

I think the mass claim is going to go one of 2 ways.

We are vanilla setup with your role being the town power in which case we all say "VT".
Or scum have some way to interact with us and claiming is bad.

[Alisaes French Maid]

There is no world where we claim real roles and having a mass claim not be a bad idea.

[garaputo]

Either way we are left with 1 conf town.
It isn't a big deal to me tbh + being an IC would be nice.

You know what's better than a dead towny and you being a conftown?

A dead scum.

Your "shoot me!" bluff is scummy WIFOM.

You had me til here.

Being pro-mass claim would be town.

Not so much this.

[Kublai Khan]

I mean I guess?

You know that mafia is a numbers game, right? Scum win when they outnumber town. How does someone, as town, immediately jump to a plan of "hey, let me get shot so Kublai dies and I can be conftown" and think it's a good plan? It's a net loss of 1 town.

Just as scummy as when Wisdom offered the same plan. And both of you are anti-claiming. Hmm.

[Kublai Khan]

Being pro-mass claim would be town.

Not so much this.

Okay. Let's break this down because I honestly don't know what you hang-up is.

Let's review basic facts:
In an 8 player game, there's probably two scum. Could be three, but that's very unlikely.
Scum can daytalk and tell each other their role.
My role was mod-confirmed at the start of the game. Anyone with an ounce of desire to win the game, likely went to the mafia wiki and learned what a Desperado was if they didn't know already.
UC Voyager demonstrated his role unprompted.

So, if I assume UC Voyager is town (and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then they know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly.

By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up. Right now, then have a marginal one at best.

Since I have to ask you a direct question for you to comment instead of ignoring my posts as noise: @garaputo - Is any of the above incorrect?

Continuing...

Since I have the penalty that I die if I don't dayvig, that means our lynch is eliminated for today. In fact..

Unvote

Which means everyone can argue and make their cases and convince me to shoot a certain person. Or we can do a massclaim so that we can work out a plan together.

The only reasons I can think of not to massclaim today under these conditions is either because your role is mafia or because you're entertaining dreams of being a hero who survives an breaks important game info at the last minute to nail scum.

So, @garaputo - Are you a team player, a hero, scum, or.... something else?

[garaputo]

Being pro-mass claim would be town.

Not so much this.

Okay. Let's break this down because I honestly don't know what you hang-up is.

Let's review basic facts:
In an 8 player game, there's probably two scum. Could be three, but that's very unlikely.
Scum can daytalk and tell each other their role.
My role was mod-confirmed at the start of the game. Anyone with an ounce of desire to win the game, likely went to the mafia wiki and learned what a Desperado was if they didn't know already.
UC Voyager demonstrated his role unprompted.

So, if I assume UC Voyager is town (and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then they know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly.

By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up. Right now, then have a marginal one at best.

Since I have to ask you a direct question for you to comment instead of ignoring my posts as noise: @garaputo - Is any of the above incorrect?

I'd bet yes.

Continuing...

Since I have the penalty that I die if I don't dayvig, that means our lynch is eliminated for today. In fact..

Unvote

Which means everyone can argue and make their cases and convince me to shoot a certain person. Or we can do a massclaim so that we can work out a plan together.

The only reasons I can think of not to massclaim today under these conditions is either because your role is mafia or because you're entertaining dreams of being a hero who survives an breaks important game info at the last minute to nail scum.

So, @garaputo - Are you a team player, a hero, scum, or.... something else?

I signed up to play a game of mafia. I'm here to do that.