Mini Normal 1969 - Blessed Mafia (Werewolf Win)

[Flavor Leaf]

This is an Assemble game, with a claimed Backup Miller. Vig can shoot the millers, and Why can inno them causing for fun synergy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your need to justify the amount of sense your role makes in the setup is worrying. Not sure but I think you did stuff like that in Chocolate Mafia.

Probably. I do setup spec in basically every game, and the role I know most about is my own because it’s always confirmed. It’s kind of like me thinking out loud, but using another person as the base to figure out things and analyze.

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If setup speculation is fine, why the hell why I suspicious day one for trying to figure it out? I feel cheated.

Extremely little to setup spec with. Need the claims. Cleric opened the game up.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is an Assemble game, with a claimed Backup Miller.

Who?
Where?

If someone claimed that, they be scum!

If you aren’t a backup miller, you’re getting lynched today. There’s no other way your role implies miller before a miller flip, then you turn miller afterwards. There’s a cleric flip, you can’t have a variant.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you indirectly claim backup miller, or what is essentially backup miller, then I believe that’s the same as claiming it. Plus, I didn’t bring it up earlier because I didn really want to continue the Miller talk or push you at the time, but your crumbs start after the miller claims.

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I thought he implied Universal backup turned miller? That's why he was so annoyed earlier.

That doesn’t imply miller before a miller flip. In fact, generally, I think it would imply the opposite, as SS pointed or earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Universal backup should not have implied Miller, is what I’m saying, if that’s what the assumption was.

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Are you claiming Universal Backup then Unah?

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Because that absolutely does not imply miller.

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You’re incessant stating that universal backup implied existence of a miller is the exact opposite of what it should have been.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m shooting Unah tonight. Like, yeah, sorry, if youre claiming UB and not Backup Miller, I’m shooting you. I wasn’t gonna go trough with the backupmiller shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, Jay’s probably town confirmed now.

[Flavor Leaf]

im assuming one of boon or ari is scum because boon believed ari's claim so quickly? what seperates me from boon i believed it also.

Ari doesn’t do that as scum. Like, he just doesn’t. Call me out on using meta, but stop using that as an excuse. All of you know by now that I use meta for a lot of things, and I’m using meta here. I have defended multiple people here through meta correctly.

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Scum is in people who are bringing up the me believinng it so quickly.

What part of ScumBoon wouldn’t set up the trajectory for that?

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I’m shooting Unah. I’ve stated this.

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Only to cops, WhyMafia would have known that he successfully blessed him, knowing he would have been town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, Assemble put together a great miller game setup in a way I’ve never seen anyone do.

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Hey...vote Dunk.

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Because UB doesnt imply Miller at all, Archwing. He said his role implied Miller. I’m fact, UB implies the opposite generally in that you wouldn’t have a miller.

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Also, Unah has claimed UB officially now by stating that in the last post.

Why am i the only one that gets this?

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The MS wiki states that Miller is generally inherited by a UB. I don't see your issue here.

Generally inherited?

Any role can be inherited, that is not specific.

UB and Miller aren’t a thing that happens.

And I had basically claimed Universal Backup earlier this game, and unah didn’t push it at all.

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I’m probably just going to shoot Aristo.

Investigatives on me please.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I shot at Quick, not Unah.

[Flavor Leaf]

I realize he replaced out, but that’s where i sent my action. Let me ask if it still was received as EE.

[Flavor Leaf]

I realize he replaced out, but that’s where i sent my action. Let me ask if it still was received as EE.

I realized after this day started. I probably wouldn’t have shot EE had I thought about it more.

I think we lose.

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dude, Everything Else isn't dead.

I realize this. I never said he was. Don’t know what you’re going on about. I’m asking the mod if my action would have been received as targeting EE.

If yes, then something stopped the kill, if no, then I’m a Derp fuck.

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Actually, either way I’m a derp fuck.

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Also, happy birthday Something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Please hold on killing me off. Just wait for me to get clarification.

I understand I look really bad right now with both Unah/Dunker dead and town, and an unanswered for vig shot.

I chose Quick because if you check The game I have been referencing with Tchill’s miller claim, I stated him as a liability for town, and I saw him as a scum candidate.

I’m not this dumb as scum...

[Flavor Leaf]

My last vigilante game I thought I was SK. Vig is not my role.

[Flavor Leaf]

My last vigilante game I thought I was SK. Vig is not my role.

It is my actual role, but not like...the role for me. You guys got what I meant, but just clarifying.

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Thanks
VOTE: Ari

Why was the scum night kill night 1. Ari is a mislynch candidate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, fuck it. I’m a werewolf gunsmith traitor. I’m letting my partner know that it’s me with this basically if they hadn’t figured it out, as it’s our best shot at winning. I know the EE slot is scum since he has a gun. This is why I thought Unah was fucking with us.

If I’m lynched today, then there will be two night kills, where if we kill EE there will be 1, and mafia is end gamed basically. My partner definitely has a protective role, and I’m sure that EE does as well. This is also why I know that the miller setup is weird as hell because I’m a werewolf traitor.

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VOTE: Everything Else

Only one member of each scum team can make the kill, which is why there is the potential for 3 deaths in this game early because it might not be accessible later in game.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you lynch me today, then you go into 2-1-4, and will likely end up 2-1-2 where if you lynch my partner, mafia auto wins.

You can also end up 2-0-3 which is just lylo.

If you lynch EE, then there will only be one kill, and you can end up being 1 (without a kill)-2-3 or 0-2-4, and you have a free lynch in me, making it a 1-3 position essentially.

Pretty sure we shot at mafia last night, so yeah. This is why I’m stating this. If my partner didn’t hit EE, the nontraitor.

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I’m pretty sure Tchill is the other traitor.

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28] Scum

teams

may or may not have day talk. I choose to keep this hidden.

This is borrowed from my rule set, and he took off my multi ball rule later on.

I’m the WIFOM king, as you guys know, and I felt like my team was going to lose, so I had to make a play because I felt the mafia team was going to get us before we get them.

I’m getting all my thoughts out to my partner, so partner, good luck. I have faith.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sweet mother of god, you did A good job confusing the fuck outta me. I was only going to vote you because you said you'd shoot Aristophanes yesterday but didn't, but now your making me wonder what the fuck is going on.

I’m conf scum and EE is conf scum.

I knew Quick was scum yesterday.

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Sweet mother of god, you did A good job confusing the fuck outta me. I was only going to vote you because you said you'd shoot Aristophanes yesterday but didn't, but now your making me wonder what the fuck is going on.

I’m conf scum and EE is conf scum.

I knew Quick was scum yesterday.

Difference with this, I can’t kill, but EE can for his team.

I’m obviously not going to give you guys all the info for reasons that should be obvious.

[Flavor Leaf]

Assemble modified a double traitor setup like from BooneyToonz 3.

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If I’m lynched, my partner likely can’t kill EE, so the game is handed to mafia if I’m lynched today, as my partner will probably die.

My partner was likely shot Night 1 for reasons I’m not going to state. I’ve picked up that they are likely 1 shot BP’s.

I actually think my partner is going to bite the bullet toNight if I don’t get EE lynched, so I’m hail mary’ing this.

You now know I’m scum that can’t kill, so I’m dead. I was likely to be lynched sometime this game, so I’m trying to get out the player that likely knows who my partner is. Literally my only chance at winning, and not giving the win to mafia.n

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching me gives Mafia basically the auto win, lynching EE helps werewolves potentially win, but town gets an extra day to try and piece things together.

[Flavor Leaf]

And mafia is basically screwed after that.

[Flavor Leaf]

On the comments of multiball, i believe my larges were decent examples of good multiball, (but still multiball....so...yeah).

I told you it was like my larges, haha.

I also stated if it was multi ball, Unah was scum, but there was actually a UB.

UB does not imply that a miller would exist, stand by that.

But yeah, you could look at my constant multi ball comments. I’m not a variant, so i can be killed by scum teams, so I made sure the other team wouldn’t shoot me by potentially making them think I was their traitor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I understand the weariness of it all, and believe you me, I am up to something, but I kind of need the town to hit the killing mafia.

My partner shot at LUV most likely. That was a decent kill considering you likely didn’t put together I was your traitor yet, and a nice Quick frame kill.

Ari is either the other traitor or town wno got blessed. My partner was probably shot night 1.

I’m trying not to share way too much to not give away my partner with these posts, obviously.

[Flavor Leaf]

Important note to everyone who is not as familiar with normal games:

Flavor's claim is explicitly non-normal. According to the normal guidelines, a traitor is not part of the main scum group, and the main scum group must consist of at least two members.

Keep in mind, I’m incredibly aware of Normal game guidelines.

[Flavor Leaf]

Important note to everyone who is not as familiar with normal games:

Flavor's claim is explicitly non-normal. According to the normal guidelines, a traitor is not part of the main scum group, and the main scum group must consist of at least two members.

Chill for a second, please.

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You investigated me last night, right?

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Is that directed at me? Why would I do that?

Whoever my comment was/is to, thought i was picking up crumbs and was trying to get someone to investigate me. Was pretty sure i was. Was trying to be.

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Might as well ask the question I would like to hear the answer too the most then.

Flavor, What are my chances of living if I hang EE compared to hanging you?

Pretty high. You’ll be kept alive so scum can try to frame us as partners.

[Flavor Leaf]

You claimed a confirmable role in an effort to get people to investigate you?

I stated for someone to investigate me, haha. It would have been funny if someone gunsmith’d me.

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I believe that scum would try to frame me with my partners being either Jay, Archwing, or Aristo.

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Flavor, What are my chances of living if I hang EE compared to hanging you?

And the opposite... If we hang boon, then we die?

Yep, pretty much.

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I mean, not one hundo, but one of those three will die if I die, likely Jay or Arch.

I like to think I’m obv town by now, but I guess not.

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If it’s single ball, lynching me is a loss. If it’s multiball, lynching me gives the win to a mafia.

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Jesus Boon. How do we not know this is yet another fake claim, wifoming your way through the day?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73076

Look how many times I fake claimed in this game.

I ended up wrecking the scum team that game, only to get killed and the SK got super super lucky.

I was a town BP enabler there.

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Want to know why that’s a fake claim? He’s claiming a role that’s not seen too often and playing dumb with it, but voyeur wouldn’t exist with the Cleric.

How do you learn what action WhyMafia took? Voyeur learns what action the target took. What result would the voyeur give had he targeted WhyMafia? Blessed?

[Flavor Leaf]

Target *used

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I said it right the first time, what action the target took, but what would happen if he targeted the person that a Why targeted is what I meant to say. That’s even more complex and over the top.

EE is scum.

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Actually, after reading the wiki, it's the actions preformed on the target, but not who did it. Your thinking of Follower, Flavor.

Read under. I already fixed it.

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Okay, Tchill is EE’s partner.

I do crazier gambits as town than I do scum, and he knows it.

If you think I’m busing, then bus your buddy

[Flavor Leaf]

Tchill and I had just had a game where I called him and player Chickadee for busing each other in a very recent game, and then I hard pushed Tchill, then went and voted Chickadee trying to check his bluff.

Tchill’s playing off this, I believe, to try and push a “calling his bluff” sort of deal, but really, he’s voting his buddy here in hopes it will turn people onto me.

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I said it right the first time, what action the target took, but what would happen if he targeted the person that a Why targeted is what I meant to say. That’s even more complex and over the top.

EE is scum.

Scum =/= "complex" and "over the top". That's a pretty bad equivalence. Just because its not simplistic doesn't mean assemble didnt put it in.

Sure, but why would Voyeur be in this game with Cleric. EE’s banking on Tchill bailing him out.

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Or chill and boon are scum.

Meh, this is being manufactured by Tchill. He’s setting it up, so no matter if him or EE flips, I come out of it still able to be lynched.

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VOTE: FlavorLeaf

Okay, this is probably a third partner claim then.

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They are completely saving EE.

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Or chill and boon are scum.

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

The fact he says Chill and Boon then goes me proves it.

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It’s EE, Tchill, and Archwing. I am 100% correct. This is the start of my sweet spot for solving games. Look at how orchestrated Tchill/Arch’s pushes are.

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I only see this type of end game, manipulative confidence from scum. You almost have your perfect win, boon.

Then you haven’t played with me before

I’m super confident end game as town, and I’m pretty sure Tchill had stated that earlier.

He said if I don’t start solving the game by Day 3, I’m scum because I’m “too good” not to.

And now I solved it, so...

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Well I can guarantee you're wrong about me. I'm on board with chill, amd I'm suspicious about EE.

So you think i’m scum with Tchill and EE, and you just happened to choose to go after me exactly in a way where it directly supports both of them

[Flavor Leaf]

See, this is why you double check these things.

And all you voting Flavor, stop and vote Ari instead. Ari has to be scum for Boon to be scum, but the reverse isn't true.

This.

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It hurts how scummy they all are.

I’m a gunsmith, I know EE has a gun, and voyeur doesn’t have one normally.

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Ugggghhh, this sucks. Haha.

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Why the heck would scum block EE of all people?

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Scum didn't block EE. I did. That's why I was needling him about the no result.

So he's definitely an investigative of some kind, because he knew he was blocked.

But he has a gun.

Ari doesn’t have a gun.

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And if he's really a town voyeur like Occam's Razor says he probably is, then that's already 5 town PR's, and there's no room for Boon. Of course this is assuming Boon retracts his scumclaim anyway.

He’s not a town voyeur.

I’ve already retracted it. I feel like I’m obvtown at this point based off play alone.

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It’s why I’ve been pushing Ari is confirmed this entire time.

Like, sure, Ari and I could be doing some thing, but Occam’s razor is actually him and I are both town...-.-

[Flavor Leaf]

So you're claiming town gunsmith?

Yes.

Also miller isn’t really town PR, and the review group has been having a high amount of PR’s in games.

My last mini wouldn’t get passed until I had 6 town pr’s.

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How do you think two kills happened Night 1 then?

There’s a SK somewhere, or it’s 2-2. But I know Ari is town, so I know Why targeted him, which is why I had the multiball claim, and was trying to out a vig to figure it out. I claimed vig to try and pull a counterclaim, and nothing. Means no vig, means confirmed two killing roles.

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"I know Ari is town"

"There's an SK somewhere"

SK doesn't have a gun...

Ari’s not groupscum. Sorry. I don’t think he’s SK, either. What SK hammers Dunker there?

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EE is confirmed groupscum from my POV.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am hands down a scumnight kill tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, but to be fair, I thought you were a weak powered investigative.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you think Ari could be a traitor or a scum doctor?

You’re right in the sense that there’s probably one of those for fake guilties. I’m jumping ahead of myself, sure, but keep in mind, from my perspective, EE is lock scum.

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He’s probably actually a voyeur, just scum. Helps him get the head up on Why’s blessed.

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What scum plays the way I’ve played this game? I literally have multiple town games where I have solved games through playing like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

What was your slot's N1 action?

liz uzi with killed action

I’m going to flip a lid.

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Why would Town Quick target LUV Night 1 as a voyeur? That literally makes no sense.

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And EE replaces in so he doesn’t have to explain it.

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I’m literally going to flip a lid.

Did someone say that EE was Sergtacos?

Serg’s a Boon Babe. This is not how townTacos plays.

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Hey Boon.

Why did you want to policy lynch the miller if you could literally clear him.

I didn’t vote Esp until after he said he was replacing out for that reason. I did the same thing to Mumble a couple games back after stating he wasn’t lock town for me.

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You can go back and look, even when Quick was pushing me to vote the Miller, I didn’t.

See that? QUICK was hardpushing that under the radar.

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Like, if you were a gunsmith, I'd expect you to be hard against lynching the miller day 1 instead of ambivalent like you were. And I certainly wouldn't expect you to ever support it, even under the circumstances of the replace-out.

Quick was confirmed town in one of my last game, and I advocated for his PL Day 3 because it would help me catch scum by moving on the game.

I go Espe Day 1, and he gets lynched fast, moves on the game, and I get to investigate elsewhere.

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I’m very aware i didn’t play the brightest this games but I have always been looking for scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m literally giving actual reasons for him to be scum.

“This sounds scummy to me. I’m confident he’s scum.”

This should completely prove why he’s scum, and I’m not....

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Exactly. I’m just obv town because I’m obv town, I’m most definitely not doing obv town things.

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Ari can only be scum if he’s SK.

And that logic is flawed because you said you roleblocked EE and there’s a missing kill.

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From your perspective, if a SK exists, then EE should also be confscum to you.

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There’s absolutely no reason for Quick to voyeur LUV Night 1.

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Also, he has a gun.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I was pushing it for you, Ari.

Ari and I are in a neighborhood together, and I claimed his role earlier. He said he checked me Night 1 and got no gun.

[Flavor Leaf]

So, I'm a Gunsmith btw, but I was blocked last night!

VOTE: EE

Pretty sure he is a scum ascetic. I tried to check him!

He can’t be Ascetic. Something Smart blocked him and he knew.

[Flavor Leaf]

If the game has a 3 man, which I don’t think it does, the way EE, Tchill, and Arch played puts them as scum. If not, I still see groupscum there. Jay is town. Something is super town to me because he’s been pairing up Ari and I the entire game, and there was a connection between the two, so I get that.

I told Ari in the neighborhood not to claim his blessed until everyone else had. (He brought it up with me early in the day, so I asked him to let me push my gambit)

So I’m pretty solid on Ari, SS, and Jay being town meaning the four others, at the very least, is a 75% chance at flipping scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ari knew I didn’t have a gun, so when I stated I’d shoot him, I was looking at who would push me if I stated I was shooting at the person Ari was targeting. I was trying to completely catch out scum, and I basically did.

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Our third neighbor claimed vig night 1. But he’s scum/SK, so yeah.

I confirmed that with my trying to get another vig to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who's your third neighbor?

Chilly.

[Flavor Leaf]

When did Ari claim?

The same time he claimed he was blessed, basically. Then I went on and made everyone claim blessed/not blessed

[Flavor Leaf]

I also claimed my role first there, which is why I was so comfortable claiming all my other stuff.

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If he’s scum and it’s single ball, then I’m in a neighborhood with two scum, which is rigged if Assemble put me as the townie in that. If we’re all town, which our triangle of roles could work well with it, then I imagine that’s there to take out each other within the neighborhood/millers, which could explain Tchill wanting to him scum with his vig shot, instead of having to warrant shooting a miller.

The possibility of us being all town, even if 25% is why i’m going for basically conf scum EE. If it’s single ball, we’re in mylo.

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What's your real role and how is EE conf scum?

You, Ari, and Jay are 100% town from my eyes, and in general the way Arch and Tchill both acted in response to the EE wagon shows that i was barking up the right tree.

I claimed neighbor, and I’m assuming Ari checked me because he didn’t trust me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tchill, UCV, Arch, and EE are what’s left.

I scum hunt best by Poe and town hunting.

75% of those people are scum, Tchill and UCV are the ones I have less confidence in due to paranoia on Tchill, and UCV being not a big part of this game really so I don’t have a read. Arch’s Unvote gave me a little bit of doubt, but like, easily could have just been him trying to look townie.

EE i have no doubt. The slot fits on any potential scum team, as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who did Tchill shoot at last night? Can he shoot tonight?

He was being weird about it. I don’t think he’s full, but he never answered. He does this stuff as town and scum, though.

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Which is also immediately why I didn’t believe the voyeur claim.

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I don’t follow why he has to be town and not SK/group scum aware of SK. If Tchill shoots town, and scum kill (most likely you), then if it’s 3 scum, they win.

In theory he would shoot EE, though, so yeah.

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I said if it's singleball. As long as multiple killing factions remain we have a chance to survive a mislynch, so that's not the scenario I'm worried about.

Oh, fair enough.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you seem to think it's singleball given that you're looking for exactly 3 scum and you seem to be ascribing a cohesive motivation to all of them.

I’m counting SK within the 3 scum.

Isn’t that what we all should be doing? I look for the trajectory/hidden agendas in people’s posts. Pretty sure that’s what everyone should be doing at this point especially.

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VOTE: Everything_Else

I'm doing this to speed the game up and cause tension. don't mind me.

nah i dont mind

He gets put in potential quick hammer range, and he doesn’t mind...as town?!

[Flavor Leaf]

Here's the thing: miller is considered a PR whether it has positive utility for town or not. I don't believe the game contains a gunsmith and a vig in addition to my role and the three flipped. Tchill may actually be a vig, but I think Ari is scum regardless. There's nothing role-related that gives you a reason to locktown him, and his play has been lackluster to say the least. So why do you think he's town?

Why did you decide to leave out the voyeur claim?

He had no reason to state he checked me night 1 as scum. And he had no reason to claim he was blocked over a straight up guilty on EE.. I even was pushing a straight up guilty on EE, and he chose to come out and claim his thing himself.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tchill, shoot Ari tonight.

That’ll put us at 2-3 lylo if all kills go through, assuming EE isn’t lynched, and Ari won’t be in the picture.

I don’t feel like doing the math if SK, but we’re fine there too.

[Flavor Leaf]

10] Each Day phase will last for two weeks apiece and each Night phase will last for two days. Once there are less than eight people, each day phase will become only ten days long. I will post specific deadlines in the game thread at the start of every Day and Night phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mm, I guess Something Smart’s play can make sense as an EE partner. A lot if sense, actually. Regardless, denominator there would be EE has to also be scum, meaning yet again, another potential scum team with EE in it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I am. My brain went kaput when Flavor claimed Werewolf traitor and I still don't know what the hell is going on.

Better idea for me.

VOTE: Everyone but myself

Let's Lynch everyone but me and call it a day. Who's with me?

Lol, I’ve looked at this post a lot and didn’t realize it was a joke vote on the name Everyone Else.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I've went from EE is scum with flavor to EE is scum with SS...

Either way, EE is the optimal lynch, even SS stated him as scum.

Shoot Ari tonight to get rid of the slot.

EE is scum no matter the team. In theory, I feel i should be lock town after EE flips, but you know...whatever.

[Flavor Leaf]

SS said ‘might be scum’, my bad...

[Flavor Leaf]

You've provided a decent enough case against lynching EE, but I think scum!you would say exactly what you just said to save scum!EE.

Maybe so, but there are two possibilities here: either Tchill is scum with us, and the three of us carried out the most ridiculous and unnecessary scum theater ever, or he is vig/SK/opposite scum, in which case I'd be practically asking to be shot which would lead to EE certainly dying afterward.

To be fair, you have claimed roleblock.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynch EE, shoot Ari, i expect tomorrow to be 5 player lylo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, might be 1-1-3, but we should treat that as lylo even though we can win still in a mislynch if scum cross kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

The problem is that Tchill might not be a vig. If Ari is scum, then Tchill could also be scum covering for him, in which case an EE lynch would likely lose us the game. However, if we lynch Ari and he flips town, then Tchill is confirmed to have at least SOME killing ability and he can direct that toward EE.

There’s not two scum in a neighborhood, so I’m not worried about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

The problem is that Tchill might not be a vig. If Ari is scum, then Tchill could also be scum covering for him, in which case an EE lynch would likely lose us the game. However, if we lynch Ari and he flips town, then Tchill is confirmed to have at least SOME killing ability and he can direct that toward EE.

There’s not two scum in a neighborhood, so I’m not worried about that.

I guess that’s a bad sense of thing to say, but I think considering me as town, Tchill also is considered as town.

however, SS is also basically proven town unless some major scum theatre went down.

Ari and I are near confirmed Can’t both be scum together.

Archwing and EE are still my top two, which is why I feel Archwing is stalling yet saying he’s okay with EE or Ari. He’s Hoping for Ari so his partner doesn’t die

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Ee has turned to a complete POE read for me, tbh.

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Also, you didn’t make it difficult for people to see that you were implying he was blocked, so when he restated his result from his original statement, it isn’t as confirmed a thing as you were saying. My biggest issue was Ari claiming gunsmith and no result, which is also why you are town. As scum, that’s a crappy way to play it. Ari’s just town who got a no result. Ari should target Tchill and Tchill should target Ari. That way, scum has to make some kind of play anyways, and if Tchill is SK, he can get screwed over. That would make us a SK/Mafia/Town Neighborhood, which actually, I could see, but EE goes first to get to that situation. You have your roleblock, so that’s a good chance at blocking a person. Jay is town. SS is town. UC would only be groupscum, Archwing would be group scum. EE is groupscum.
Ari/Tchill are Mafia/SK if it’s not singleball, meaning it’s completely better to go EE first, as night actions will confirm everything, or at least let us see what’s happening.

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Does that make sense?

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It’s not. I brought up the Mafia/SK/Town Neighborhood possibility, and it still makes me want to go EE first so tchill/Ari can cross action.

Honestly, if we were all scum in a neighborhood, that would be awesome, but I know that’s not the case.

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Ari only makes sense to lynch today if we know it’s for sure not singleball. And I’m pretty sure EE flipping should clear me for lylo anyways -.-, unless you think i’m busing, which still takes us back to killing EE. If the scum team is like, EE, Arch, and IC, an Ari lynch would win the game for them, and that’s why Ari shouldn’t be the lynch for the day.

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You’re protecting EE really hard, which is weird because I feel he is clearly scum.

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My role is actually pretty basic, I’m just being facetious.

Lol, looking through my thoughts earlier to see how people responded to me, and I already had told you guys I had a basic role

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I’ll likely be conf town eventually, so that’ll clear itself up.

Gunsmith cleared me.

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I’ll likely be conf town eventually, so that’ll clear itself up.

Okay, well I was blessed. That was me trying to acknowledge it.

I still have to read up. Sorry about that!

Either this is our next conftown, or scum!Ari is trying to avoid being today's lynch.

Lets assume Ari did get blessed. 2 night kills implies multiball??

Could be a vig, but yeah.

I was explaining way back then about this stuff. EE is the lynch.

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You’re protecting EE really hard, which is weird because I feel he is clearly scum.

Ditto you with Ari.

Fair enough. But Ari conf town’d me; and it’s been obvious that I’ve been playing with that mindset ever since.

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Note to self: while scum, play the Elsa game.

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Unfortunately, mister Boon, your meta has been established, so they will call you out on that.

Plus I'm very pretty, so it works out better.

I’m also very pretty.

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Boon is 6/10 would one-night stand if Drunk.

I am a treat!

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Let me live till day 4 and we'll see if that's true then.

Not up to me. I’m not moving off of EE today.

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In the neighborhood, and even in thread, I’ve said that Ari and Tchill need to cross target each other, so that way it can auto clear them or auto catch them out of they are SK/Mafia, if they’re town/Town, Tchill’s vig shot will likely go through.

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Have you read ANYTHING I've said today?

This pretty much clears it up.

We’re probably going to end up no lynching, which isn’t necessarily bad, I don’t think? I’d rather just lynch scum, though

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I’d rather we lynch EE than no lynch. Or else I’m just going to be killed tonight, and EE’s going to get away with doing absolutely nothing.

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Jay’s super neutral so I can’t see him dying, and SS is in too many lynch pools for him to die. I’m not going over why the rest of you guys arent going to die.

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Optimal move for their scum team is to roleblock Tchill, Ari’s conformed there is a scum roleblocker, unless he was scum, which still , i see it as optimal play to block Chill’s kill, then gunsmith guilty on Tchill no matter what. Then Tchill or Ari can easily be a mislynch. With EE gone, this is a bit nullified because we’ll have EE’s flip and then get to see where people go AFTER Ee isn’t an option.

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This is also why Something_Smart is more than likely town. Because Ari claimed gunsmith no result.

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Wait a minute, why would Ari ever check Tchill?

If Tchill is SK, he won’t have a gun.

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That way, if Ari is scum, he has to clear Tchill.

Besides, Tchill is shooting at Ari, so it really doesn’t matter too much.

Why did you assume that the kill wasn’t going to go through and Ari was going to live?

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If Tchill is part of a 3 man scum team, EE would have been killed by now. UC/Arch/You would have went on them by now, which is another reason I know EE is scum. Even if Tchill is scum with EE. Tchill and Ari aren’t scum together, but like i said before, i could see chill SK, Ari scum. Does this make sense?

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Thanks

I'm also requesting that Boon and Tchill not post in the neighborhood (if it is open) until this is done.

Tchill doesn’t respond to me anyways.

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He’s scum.

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Like, he’s blatantly scum.

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Hungover Flavor here, saying good game all!

Unah, Dunker, and Something Smart....good work. You had us pegged.

In response to competent town lynches Tchill and doesn’t lynch miller Day 1, to be fair, both times all three scum were pushing those notions.

Great to team with Chilly and Aristo. I think we had great synergy and it allowed us to be crazy.

Also, I claimed scum over three times and got away with it.

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@Something_Smart - beautiful roleblocker gambit. I picked up on the fact I didn’t think you were a roleblocker near the end. It’s why UC was killed and not you. I talk about it a Little’s bit at the end of the werewolf thread.

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Thanks. It didn't really end up mattering because all you had to do was get ANY kill through, but if we had lynched Ari it might have ended up mattering.

It's funny that you RB'd EE in the same night though

We were killing you at first.

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That’s funny you rolled Ascetic in two setups pretty close together.

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Dunker reads me correctly almost every single time. Moreso than anyone I feel.

Yeah, we were playing all or nothing. We were accepting that if one of us went down we all went down.

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i knew tchill and flavor leaf was scum

I mean, yeah,

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I felt my main thing this game for me, especially near the end was talking with Something_Smart. I felt him and I were co captains of team, and we were trying to argue everything.

I felt like Something definitely knew I was scum the entire time, and then he’d prove me wrong on something, and I had to bs and gambit my way out of it, and he had to come up with another thing to try to catch me out.

Anyone see Death Note? I was Light and he was L, and it was so exhilarating playing against Something_Smart


Also, Assemble, great setup. I said it multiple times in the Mafia thread. I’m really impressed.

I’d def pre in for your large if I wasn’t backup.

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Let’s run some cool theme game setup sometime together, hah

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of course boon was scum. why did i expect anything different! im just going to autolynch you in every game from now on

You all lynched me in that one game on Morality and I caused WIFOM for days

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Doctor and doctor enabler were neat additions. They were both red herrings, and it worked out well. Subtle WIFOM like that is really neat in games. I enjoyed the fact we were wolves, too. I did that in one of my games.

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When ari claimed gunsmith with a no result, I laughed so hard. But somehow it made the neighborhood claim come out, and that worked pretty well for us.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed your play this game. I think you’re a really strong town player.

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Well half the game knew the scum team but couldn't convince anyone to Lynch scum....

Everyone's capable of a bad game here or there jaydragonking I wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't persue that play style though.

As long as the attempt of actually finding scum is still the overall primary objective I feel it’s not a bad playstyle every now and then. It just definitely didn’t seem like it was Jay’s primary objective, haha.

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I’d love to play with you too more, Archie.