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Then why would you make the original post in the first place?In post 597, Almost50 wrote:
What's it to you? If you think I'm the Vig you should either keep quiet about it (if you're Town) or just shoot me (if you're Mafia/SK). In other words, if I say I am the Vig I'm setting myself for the NK for sure, and if I deny it I'm giving scum one less target to worry about shooting, and I'm not about to give scum the satisfaction of knowing which it is.In post 594, mutantdevle wrote:
When you say that you know who the vig is, do you mean you are the vig or that you have a pretty good idea who it is?In post 592, Almost50 wrote:
I already know who the VIG is... SIR! Do you also want me to tell you where I got it from???In post 580, Sauce wrote:Stop vighunting. Nuff said.I mostly just lurk now.- Almost50
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Because I do! That's all I have to say about the subject for now. You asking for clarification on whether it's me or someone else IS vig hunting to me, but -of course- "nobody" else would even see it because they're too far in with their tunneling and too proud to admit they are wrong and were proven wrong already in their SR on the Town Cop.In post 601, mutantdevle wrote:Then why would you make the original post in the first place?
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Okay, here's how I'm looking at this now.
Question: why are Raya and Lalendra dead?
First, like I said before, I think mafia always shoots the cop there. I can see R or L as vig shots. L was pretty much innocuous town, and I think Math was trying to direct the shot there. The real question is thus: Why did the SK shoot into L/R?
I think if the SK chose immunity from NK, he/she shoots the cop most of the time. The exception is if they assume mafia will do it. Otoh, if they chose vig/cop protection, they don't want to kill the cop. I think we can say they chose vig/cop protection, which means they can only be townkilled by lynching. So the SK will want to kill mafia.
That might explain the Raya shot. But HavingFitz was runner-up in the vote, so would seem like a natural choice. Unless HF is the SK. Another possibility is that the SK just didn't buy the case on him. But then, why buy the case on Raya, which wasn't strong? I think HFis a good candidate for SK.
Inb4 "SK-hunting is scummy": Think about it. With 2 scum among 8 slots, eliminating one of those from mafia contention is a significant gain. More importantly, even though the SK will be gunning for mafia, chances are they'll hit town again, and at this point we need to stanch the flow of blood. Also, I'm going to use this assumption to hunt scum in the next few hours.
As of now, I'm down to
VOTE: HavingFitz- Chip Butty
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Thoughts incoming...In post 412, havingfitz wrote: Is it in town's best interest to eliminate Bins today?
If Bins is the sk...scum is going to want her out of the game for their wincon AND to stop her from f'ing with the switches. Mafia ABSOLUTELY want sk!Bins to be lynched today. If sk!Bins is left alive today...does mafia dare not shoot her tonight?
If Bins is fakeclaiming mafia...wouldn't the real sk be inclined to kill her? We could just let tbd!Bins last one more night and if she isn't killed (by mafia...or sk?) we could just insta-lynch her tomorrow.
If she is the sk letting her live through tonight would/should kind of handcuff mafia into killing her tonight. And or possibly handcuff a real sk to killing her. Letting her live just f's up scum plans this evening either way and frees town up to vote someone else today (ex. Raya or Maxous)...cause I doubt either of them is getting nk'd anytime soon.
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Okay, looks like it might be a genuine oversight...In post 430, havingfitz wrote:
You might have up to three correct. Good luck!In post 425, Not_Mafia wrote:Scum is Bins/Raya/Maxous/Fitz I think
I'm not wrong about mafia wanting sk!Bins lynched. But good point about mafia nk immunity. Looks like Bins it is.In post 416, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Wrong if she's guilty she would have nk immunityIn post 412, havingfitz wrote:Mafia ABSOLUTELY want sk!Bins to be lynched today. If sk!Bins is left alive today...does mafia dare not shoot her tonight?
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I think we both know the answer to the second question. But, I have to admit, less so here. I don't know what that means in terms of alignment.In post 586, mutantdevle wrote:In post 572, Chip Butty wrote:
Momo and Mutant share VI qualities...In post 551, momo wrote:Guys, the way Chip Butty and MD manipulated yesterday's lynch just makes me believe they are scum together
the way things are going
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Are you actually throwing shade at me over that? And what exactly is it that I am doing that is making you repeatedly refer to me as a VI?In post 573, Chip Butty wrote:Has anyone seen them in the same room together?- mutantdevle
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You've never actually explained. As I said earlier, being wrong does not make someone an idiot.In post 614, Chip Butty wrote:I think we both know the answer to the second question.I mostly just lurk now.- Chip Butty
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I don't think I ever replied to this, so ftr: It's called a "rhetorical question". Of course I didn't expect HF to reply "Oh damn! You got me! Yes, I am scum. Well done, Chip, nothing gets past you!"In post 65, Mathdino wrote:
Chip's "what does this have to do with scumhunting?" question was reasonable but the "are you trying to look busy????" is classic suspicion-throwing in the form of asking dumb questions that amount to "are you scum using [x] strategy?" which everyone will always answer 'no' to.- Chip Butty
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We probably shouldn't discuss it further atm. All right, I'll let up. You seem less VI-ish here anyway. Again, I don't know what that means for alignment, if anything.In post 615, mutantdevle wrote:
You've never actually explained. As I said earlier, being wrong does not make someone an idiot.In post 614, Chip Butty wrote:I think we both know the answer to the second question.- Chip Butty
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In post 264, Mathdino wrote:
Thanks Captain ObviousIn post 263, Raya36 wrote:Fair enough. Still not something I would likely do but I see more logic in it now. The way you posted it seemed like you were really confident but I'm correct it's more of a confirmation that your scumreads make sense. I was mostly asking this question since if irc ealier you said something about pre-flip associations being bad or you were scum reading someone for it.
VOTE: bins
I'll look back over things in a few.
I think with this claim our best shot is lynching bins.
Since we can't lynch town anyway, I'm actually more interested in lynching one of her partners today and having the vig or SK shoot her tonight. Lynching Bins is the lazy way out. We have 10 pages of associations to look over.
This is HF's first post after Math hardclaimed. I'm not crazy about it. He asks why Math isn't voting Bins, when Math answered that just a few posts back.In post 268, havingfitz wrote:
Not sure outting yourself, if true, was the best thing. Why aren't you voting Bins?In post 264, Mathdino wrote:Since we can't lynch town anyway, I'm actually more interested in lynching one of her partners today and having the vig or SK shoot her tonight.
With switches there's no guarantee Bins gets vigged...maaybe the sk does it? But if you're full of shit and Bins is town and we mislynch today instead of "guilty" Bins...and town Bins is nk'd...then idfk....town's pretty much really screwed. Plus if Bins is scum and turns out to be the vig switch....good for the town.
I'll wait till Bins responds before I consider moving my vote.
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This might be relevant...was Lalendra killed because of her likely d2 vote?In post 272, Lalendra wrote:Considering I was already scumreading Fitz and Sauce, I am probably not the best person to answer your question. But I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.
I would like to lynch confscum (I believe Math's claim and am willing to sheep someone I consider to be reliable town PR), but understand that it would be better to wait and see how much info we can get. Weird that all three went silent after Math's proclamation (aside from Fitz's single half-hearted retort) but could be coincidence. I'm hesitant to say we have it figured out but this is a good start.
tl;dr I'm down with voting Fitz, Sauce or Bins, don't particularly care in what order.- Chip Butty
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I don't like that last part about being reminded Bins could have been the vig switch. Of course, ANYONE could be the vig switch...In post 288, mutantdevle wrote:Oh shit, I genuinely thought Bins was townie. Guess I was wrong (obviously).
I made a mental note to myself earlier that I thought bins and sauce seemed friendly. But rereading the parts where they mention each other I have no idea why. Other than that, on gut I would say that from rereading Bins' ISO her potential scum partners are Elmo and maxous.
Btw, we should probably ignore everything bins says now. OFC she's going to try and throw us off and confuse us.
Oh and don't lynch Bins until the end of the day. I would have said to not lynch Bins at all until MyLo but then Fitz reminded me that Bins could be the vig switch. If she is, it would be VERY useful to have her lynched today.
So, Elmo and Maxous, huh? I'll be keeping an eye out for unjustified changes...- Chip Butty
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Flipped cop read.In post 289, Mathdino wrote:I've significantly warmed up to the idea of Maxous being scum lately.- Chip Butty
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Flipped cop read.
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Flipped cop read.In post 335, Mathdino wrote:Maxous is almost definitely scum then, if he was so adamant that Bins didn't scumslip.- Chip Butty
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This might have come out later, I can't remember, but why not voting Bins here?
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