Mini 1968: Bread uPick: The Baker's Dozen: Endgame

[drealmerz7]

no, it's called having a point and trying to change is mind with it

[WhemeStar]

Dunker is town UNVOTE:

[McMenno]

tracker is a whole lot more powerful than motion detector

Dunker is town UNVOTE:

???

[WhemeStar]

tracker is a whole lot more powerful than motion detector

Dunker is town UNVOTE:

???

My role backs that up

[drealmerz7]

you mean you're scum and he's not a buddy so he must be town

got it

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Dreal

[Chickadee]

Wormhole

McMenno
Whemestar
Gorkington

Firebringer
drealmerz7
Smocaine

Dunkerdoodles
Fishythefish


This is where I'm at right now, with Dunk and Fish being my lynch pool.

Fire/dreal/smocaine are hard for me to read, and they're all somewhere in reach of null, some leaning more town and others scum, but it's all close enough I'm lumping them together.

[McMenno]

tracker is a whole lot more powerful than motion detector

Dunker is town UNVOTE:

???

My role backs that up

you're a cop with an inno?

[Smocaine]

Chick, you were willing to lynch Dreal yesterday. Now is the time for action!

[Dunkerdoodles]

why is mcmenno a townread?

[Chickadee]

Chick, you were willing to lynch Dreal yesterday. Now is the time for action!

I think dunk or fish would be much better options, however the day is still young.

why is mcmenno a townread?

I liked some of his votes and posting yesterday. Look through his ISO and tell me you don't townread him.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Vote was from RvS.

do you think drealmerz was in danger of being lynched? just unvoting and doing nothing else seems counterproductive to me tbh

VOTE: misatange

not a fan

I. I want to push Fen or Miss, but neither of them have been super active either recently.

you can still push them you know

Votecount 1.07

Fykus	L-2	Gorkington, Creature, McMenno, Smocaine, Whemestar
Chickadee	L-4	Fykus, Fenraiser, Firebringer
Fenraiser	L-5	Wormhole, Chickadee
Smocaine	L-6	drealmerz
Firebringer	L-6	MisaTange
Not Voting	---	CityElectric

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-28 02:15:00).

Phonevotecount, apologies if I made any clumsy errors and for lack of pagetop timing.

egh

VOTE: fenraiser

let's just kill something

[Firebringer]

How do you null read me when I shot scum?

[Firebringer]

Also this game is dumb and I am going to start trolling it because I hate most of you

[Chickadee]

I wouldn't put it past scum you to orchestrate that. You are one of the townier null reads though!

[Chickadee]

I suppose I can bump you up.

It doesn't change my lynch pool though.

[Firebringer]

I don’t want to be bumped

Put me at confirmed scum

[WhemeStar]

tracker is a whole lot more powerful than motion detector

Dunker is town UNVOTE:

???

My role backs that up

you're a cop with an inno?

Yep

[Gorkington]

VOTE: dunker

Dunker claim

[Gorkington]

need to replace out.

[Fishythefish]

TL;DR

{Chickadee, Wormhole, Firebringer}
{drealmer, Smocaine}
{Dunker, McMenno, Wheme}
{Gorkington}
VOTE: Gorkington

Gork is scum

• Gork's play around drealmer's early wagon is bad. Here, Gork townreads both of the wagon, and says dreal's play is "weird" without quite saying it's scummy. Gork then asks drealmer to be less combative. It really feels like Gork wants to push the wagon, without getting into conflict with drealmer - who was playing aggressively at that point in the game.
  
• I disliked the exchange with Firebringer which starts here. Gork is using his history with FB to push the latter out of a scumread, while simultaneously doing some buddying with FB. This really feels like something scum would be more likely to do; it's pretty manipulative.
  
• Gork fits really well as a partner for Misa. This goes in both directions, but for the bits which are Misa-driven, I just don't see her being a crafty enough scumbag to plant this link on purpose. Repeatedly, Misa is concerned about scumreads on Gork, in a way that she isn't for anything else in the game.
  • Misa explains a post of Gork's for no obvious reason.
    
  • She tries to defuse a conflict involving Gork.
    
  • She comments on Gork's argument with FB, initially not picking a side and then voting FB when pressed - with no reason for preferring FB over Gork.
    
  • Gork then asks about this - but not for long, and doesn't really do anything about it.
    
  • He later says here that Misa is "even harder to sort than Fykus". This feels really off; Misa had quite a lot that could be read, and it felt like Gork was prodding at it earlier. I wouldn't expect Gork to be putting her in an unreadable pile at this point.

Other reads

Town

Chickadee

. The mod says so.

Firebringer

. Claims a scum kill.

Wormhole

. Said what I was thinking a number of times as I reread, and both heads seem to be trying hard. BV's reaction to dunker's intent to hammer looked really genuine and townish. But the clincher is the windows into the hydra; it's like having access to a player's internal monologue, which I think is hard to fake and in this case obvtown.

Weak town

drealmer

• The opening, aggressive drealmer felt really, really different to the one game I've played with scum!drealmer.
  
• I don't see scum!drealmer picking a fight with someone who has just shot their scumbuddy.

Smocaine

- looks to believe in things and push them.

Weak scum

McMenno

- he's done very little. A few pushes here and there never got followed up, and the rest is just little jokes.

Wheme

- also not done much. A couple of things struck me as weird - his declaration that he wouldn't move off dreal felt forced, because it was so early in the game, and after hammering he declared who he'd be going after if the flip was town.

dunker

- I don't buy all that much of the case against dunker; lots of it is keenness on death, which annoys me but is fairly NAI. The one bit that sticks out for me is 548. This was clearly written with an assumption that Fykus was town. That is quite likely because dunker knows that for sure.

As I got near the end of this, I noticed that Wheme claims a cop inno on dunker. That naturally changes things somewhat, but I'm leaving as is for the sake of getting caught up quicker. I'm going to think about it next.

[Fishythefish]

@Wheme

: you say you have a cop inno on dunker. Is that from night 1? If so, why did you vote dunker and ask for him to claim today?

[jjh927]

Apologies about lack of VCs because I stopped existing.

Votecount 2.02

Dunkerdoodles	L-3	McMenno, Firebringer, Wormhole
drealmerz7	L-4	Smocaine, Whemestar
McMenno	L-5	drealmerz7
Fishythefish	L-5	Chickadee
Gorkington	L-5	Fishythefish
Not Voting	---	Gorkington, Dunkerdoodles

With 10 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-14 23:00:00).

[Firebringer]

That’s an interesting read

[Fishythefish]

Any thoughts on it? You have a strong townread on Gork - where's that coming from?

[WhemeStar]

Less taking more trusting Wheme