Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: Redflavor

This is probably going to bite me in the rear, but I'm willing to test Mathdino's case on Redflavor.

You would test?
Scum voting me because I called them scum lol


Btw I would hide behind BigFinn

[Assemblerotws]

If I were hider, I would hide behind UnaBombaH. It looks to me like he's bringing the fire here.

I'm also townreading Math for this idea. I do not see any possible way scum could benefit from this, as it massively enhances the power of a town role they have no way of knowing could be present.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm also townreading Math for this idea. I do not see any possible way scum could benefit from this, as it massively enhances the power of a town role they have no way of knowing could be present.

Agreed-o.

I mean, I CAN see how scum might try to abuse this in their NK planning, but if we manage to steer their night actions towards sub-optimal with theoretical claims, I still think its good for us.

[yessiree]

VC 1.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

RedFlavor (3) -

momo, Mathdino, Almost50

JaydragonKing (1) -

Creature

UnabombaH (1) -

Impede

Mathdino (1) -

Kop

momo (1) -

RedFlavor

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

Not voting

- BigFinn, Assemblerotws, Hawk, JaydragonKing, havingfitz

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[Creature]

I'd hide behind Hawk.

[Almost50]

Why do you feel this way? If your feeling that, surely you won't sheep?

I was sheeping my 2 strongest TRs though, as I had no better options myself. (I do now, but I won't be moving my vote just yet).

[Almost50]

List of hypo-targets so far:

momo @ Jay
Creature @ Hawk
RedFlavor @ BigFinn
BigFinn -----------------
Assemblerotws @ UnaBombaH
Kop @ Almost50
Almost50 @ Creature
UnaBombaH @ Mathdino
Hawk @ Kop
havingfitz --------------
Impede ------------------
Mathdino @ havingfitz
JaydragonKing @ NOONE

[yessiree]

BigFinn has not responded to his prod; seeking a replacement.

[yessiree]

sheepsaysmeep replaces BigFinn. Welcome!

[sheepsaysmeep]

wassup

[sheepsaysmeep]

catchup when im not in class

[yessiree]

VC 1.8

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

RedFlavor (3) -

momo, Mathdino, Almost50

JaydragonKing (1) -

Creature

UnabombaH (1) -

Impede

Mathdino (1) -

Kop

momo (1) -

RedFlavor

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

Not voting

- sheepsaysmeep, Assemblerotws, Hawk, JaydragonKing, havingfitz

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[JaydragonKing]

You really love the replacement queue, Sheep.

I guess we'll let you catch up, but can I advise not just spamming one sentence posts in a row so we don't have a cluster of posts from the same guy.

[sheepsaysmeep]

careful of oot pls
from skimming the first two pages, jay's talking abt motivation seems genuine enough for locktown
una also seems rlly relaxed
those two are in my townblock
74 if srs is pretty opportunistic

[sheepsaysmeep]

79 feels forced

[sheepsaysmeep]

I don't think that Mathdino is scum because posting reads this early will start a discussion and a scum would not do that.

good scum try to control the discussion

[sheepsaysmeep]

My vote stands on Mr. "Votes A Guy For Making A Reads List".

nice omgus

[sheepsaysmeep]

bookmark 110

[Mathdino]

79 feels forced

Yes, I force reads at the beginning of every D1. Builds a foundation on which I can develop future reads, gets my momentum going. And I guess it generates discussion or some shit; everyone's discussing it. I'm not so inconfident as to believe that I can't read early posts, but I'm also not so arrogant as to think that those reads won't change. And when they do change, I'll say so, so you guys can see the path of my thought process through the day. That's the point.
The only games where I don't do reads lists and shit is when I'm confirmed town. No point in giving you guys a record of my thoughts when you already know for sure I'm town.

See this. I prefer forcing reads in situations where I don't know what to do, than saying "whelp idk what to do".

I don't think that Mathdino is scum because posting reads this early will start a discussion and a scum would not do that.

good scum try to control the discussion

This is correct, and is why I didn't like RedFlavor handing me a townread for that. I don't think in general that making an early reads list is alignment indicative.

[sheepsaysmeep]

After stumbling my first game, I learned I like the way I play now, and it will eventually adapt, but that's for future me to deal with. What I don't get is the fact your already pushing me out as a liability, Dino. If you want to discredit me in the game, do it when I actually have something really tangible to push against.

Your also even more pushy then before, too. Thinking about what kop said, with you trying so early and yard to get out reads, I'm inclined to believe his statement until further evidence is given.

this moves jay from town to a scumlean
the first part is an overreaction
the second is a hard omgus/grasping for reasoning kind of

[sheepsaysmeep]

math, which reads are purely unforced?

[sheepsaysmeep]

I can agree with your momo point but I did the same thing with my very first post but that was a result of me skim reading, and not looking at the posters who were placing the votes. My mistake was genuine but I don't know about momo.

Same thing happened to me. The people who double or triple vote are trolling. Anyone can get caught up by that. In my experience, you should never double vote because it is antitown and confusing. The only plausible reason for town to double vote is to add emphasis after a stretch where there have been no vote changes. This definitely should not be happening in the first two pages of the game. All those of you who double and triple voted need to get your shit together and start playing towards the town wincon.

It was RVS and double votes were under the VC. You could easily check if they were double votes and I dont know how it is bad for town. For kop, he dont really try hard to look like town like momo did in his post. What I think is momo is trying to look townie here because he is scum.
VOTE: momo

What's up humans?

This is Finn's entire ISO! Assemble also posted once, but -at least- he said something game-related.

Let me lead by example

VOTE: BigFinn

Yes he have been really quiet and it started to becoming suspicious

red, can you elaborate on why he is suspicious? is it only for inactivity?
for the first part, dont town need to look towny too?

[sheepsaysmeep]

i disagree with momo's point on doublevoting

[sheepsaysmeep]

jay puts in no effort to try to solve anything, probably scum content with the wagons
i'd hop on red from where i am
bookmark 173

[Mathdino]

math, which reads are purely unforced?

I don't think I can really answer this. Like my thought process at the time was sitting down and going

Me: PolicyWagoning Kop is cool but doesn't really do anything interesting for us
Me: Bunch of people have posted, it's as good a time as any to do a reads list
Me: Nothing super stands out, I'll just ISO everyone and toneread them
*does so*

This is kind of the process of me coming up with reads lists in general. If you see me point out something in the moment being like "THIS SHIT IS TOWN" or "OH SHIT THAT WAS SCUMMY" that would be purely unforced. But forcing myself to come up with thoughts is part of my scumhunting process. And if I'm alive lategame, and there's a ton of material to look through, my process will be wiping myself of any preconceptions (bias is bad) and forcing potentially new reads on the ISOs of the remaining players.

Hope that helps you understand how I think.

Here's another example, as I was about to press submit, I was like "Huh, sheep's given material for me to work with now". So I read through your posts this past page and just decided you were town. Good to know.

sheep's probably town, displays clear pro-town reasoning and flow of thought, without opportunism.