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Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:41 pm

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/confortable
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Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:09 am

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ZombieSlayer: Random voting early game is the norm on this site as it sparks discussion in a way that does not leave role based info and can leave tidbits to look back on late game as early game random voting is influenced by personal biases often.

However, my vote is mildly serious at this point.

Vote UA


Self voting in the random voting stage

A) prevents the creation of the small tidbits I described. Such a cop out.
B) is a dumb waste. If you are pro-town, why would you vote for a confirmed townie?
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Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:09 am

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Lol at the simul post.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:11 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:HAHA...Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet.
You pikmins
are way too uptight. No wonder mod called you stupid.
Why would you refer to us as you pikmins GS? Slip up?
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Post Post #44 (isolation #4) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:18 am

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Unvote, Vote GS
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Slip + responding to arguments in an inflaming manner > self voting on scale of scummy.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:43 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:No I'm a pikmin alright, just not a stupid pikmin like the mod called you all.
Greasy Spot wrote:haha, made you go back and rear the story again didn't I?
I can see no other purpose for those posts other than to be inflammatory.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:02 pm

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Kison wrote:
Greasy Spot wrote:HAHA...Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. You pikmins are way too uptight. No wonder mod called you stupid.
Greasy Spot wrote:No I'm a pikmin alright, just not a stupid pikmin like the mod called you all.
Explain the contradiction I'm seeing here, please.
I endorse this post.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:31 pm

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ZombieSlayer54 wrote:[
It still gets me suspicious, even if it is self-voting.
There's not really reason to debate this in thread, but if you look back at the Mafia Discussion forum you will be able to find arguments showing why random voting is pro-town which also show why not doing it and self voting are anti town. They only apply to early game when there's no real reasons to vote though.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:10 pm

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Zombie seems odd. At first he's reluctant to vote, but now he has just wagonned twice.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:53 am

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After some consideration while I'm not marathoning and/or studying, and looking back at CotI and Muffin there, Zombie's behavior definitely lines up with newbie scum, not just newbie.

Unvote, Vote Zombie
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Post Post #121 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:56 am

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Errr, EBWODP, didn't realize CotI was still ongoing. Sorry. All the things I referenced in that game are about dead players, but if the mod feels the example shouldn't be discussed, feel free edit it out.

To summarize, Muffin was new, did the same "Don't want to vote, ok wagon time" and turned up scum.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:26 pm

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Current thoughts:

Just voting a bunch of people is not a good idea as it allows multiple band wagons simultaneously to grow quickly and potentially end up as "Oops lynch", as opposed to just one. Also probably will divide attention among players who are under the spotlight rather than letting us go case by case.

Jdodge's contradiction yesterday was odd, though I have to look a bit harder to see if it was him being him or him covering his ass.

I've come to realize since yesterday GS is just going to be dumb every game. Just trying to work out which kinds of dumb are scummy for him

I do not like Gorrad's last two posts, just slipping in an opportunistic vote after a (semi-valid) OMGUS. I'm putting Jdodge on being Dodge on the unexplained multivotes for now, though, you know, real cases help too.

The other 3 multivoters (UROE, Kirby, and Kison) all gave enough reasoning for their votes for me to consider them valid and not possibly just abusing the multivoting capacity.

So,
Vote Gorrad
, thinking more tomorrow when I wake up.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:45 am

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LAL = Lynch All Liars. It has nothing to do with the Gorrad vote, but more to do with an argument Jdodge made where he lied about his reasons for it yesterday. This doesn't seem like an appropriate instance to apply it anyways, so its pretty irrel.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #13) » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:18 pm

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Why do I feel like we are running around each other in circles while the scum are sitting back laughing.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:47 am

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Not liking Pyrodwarf right now, but I trust a meta-read over + multiple wagonning over just wagonning.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:31 am

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I'm definitely good with some more Gorrad leaning. Again, he is striking from the shadows with a vote on someone on whom pressure is building.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:43 am

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Gorrad, you are on 3/4 real wagons that aren't you.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:42 am

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Greasy Spot wrote: His death was a tragic loss for us pikmin but was a necessary evil for the game. The only time we learn who someone really is is when they die. Tragically he was a pikmin.
Do you really need to state he was a Pikmin that much?
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Post Post #277 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:41 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:
Greasy Spot wrote:No, I don't support my lynch. For the last time there was no hasty demise. Zombie had votes for a long time. It wasn't like they were all placed on him in a 12 hour span and I just waltzed in for the hammer. His death
was a tragic loss for us pikmin
but was a necessary evil for the game. The only time we learn who someone really is is when they die. Tragically he was a pikmin. You've stated your dislike for Jdodge for a while now but it seems like your on me because your an opportunist.
Kinda what armlx just said, but I find it odd that he has to emphasize for US pikmin.
If I would have said "the pikmin" you would have pounced on that saying if I was a pikmin I would have included myself. Semantics is grasping at straws unless it's an obvious slip up, not something you have to convince people to see.
K. Just double checking you in case you decided to say somethingdumb in response.

Minor FOS haskadfhkda
for jumping onto the reasoning. Would have been a full FOS if he was here for D1.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:43 am

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EBWODP: GS, it was also the necessity of the word Pikmin, rather than just saying us, I was interested in to be fair, but your response is what I would expect from you as town.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:53 am

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Blazerunner wrote:Yeah, Greasy Spot has gained some trust points by me after all. Im not sure if hasdgfas was intentionally trying to frame him, but his defense is right. If he hadn't explicitely included himself in the group of pikmin, people would say "hey, so you are not a pikmin". Now that he hasn't, people say "Hey, look how he wants to make sure he is a pikmim".

Nulltell
If he hadn't we wouldn't, but its clear from his response its just him reacting in a normal way to the issue on day 1.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:03 pm

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JDodge wrote: On another note,
vote: Xdaamno
for not taking votes seriously enough today.
While this is right, its ironic you would be the one to say it. xd's play has been.... lacking to say the least this game, though if my IRC experience is worth anything its a town tell from him.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:31 am

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I have yet to play a Scumchat/IRC game with you where, as scum, you were inattentive and unproductive. Has happened with you as town. I assure you, it was not meant in an insulting manner, just stating the facts.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:21 pm

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Claus: I am not trying to fight Jdodge, merely control his spread like a forest fire.

Unimpressed with Gorrad's reasons.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:46 am

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I support GS's stance here. The wagon is pretty BS'y IMO.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:37 am

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I'm very unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:07 am

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No, I'm actually pretty sure that 3/7 of the members on the GS wagon are scum, +/- 1.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:25 pm

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windkirby wrote:
armlx wrote:I'm very unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.
Nice show of snobbery, but I'm not going to move my vote just because it doesn't meet your "expectations." Besides, the slip is hardly the main reason I want GS lynched; just because I pointed out that the "you people" argument is crap, it doesn't imply that the "you pikmin" slip is the primary factor in my mind.
It doesn't meet my pro-town expectations. Saying that is hardly snobbish....
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Post Post #367 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:03 pm

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hasdgfas wrote:
Greasy Spot wrote:
Claus wrote:Is there any reason you're not voting anyone, GS?
I already said I thought Pyrodwarf was scummy and why. Besides I don't have to have my name besides a lot of peoples name to feel good about my decisions.
But voting is pretty much the only thing that townies have to help find scum, so use it.
2nd this post, but I don't really think his lack of voting is a tell either way.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:20 pm

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hasdgfas wrote:
armlx wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:
Greasy Spot wrote:
Claus wrote:Is there any reason you're not voting anyone, GS?
I already said I thought Pyrodwarf was scummy and why. Besides I don't have to have my name besides a lot of peoples name to feel good about my decisions.
But voting is pretty much the only thing that townies have to help find scum, so use it.
2nd this post, but I don't really think his lack of voting is a tell either way.
I wasn't saying it was, but it's not helping him in any way.
Again, I understand and agree.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:51 am

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That is definitely worth my second vote.

Vote James the Phox
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Post Post #377 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:00 am

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This is the issue with multivote days: I see no reason for Claus or Jdodge to have votes right now.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:04 am

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The last several posts have made me very happy with my current votes.

Windkirby would be my third suspect, but the logic backing his votes seems reasonable enough for now, though they are in scummy places.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:17 am

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Xdaamno wrote:
Unvote JamesThePhox, armlx


Vote: Greasy Spot
.........
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Post Post #402 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:29 pm

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I'm with Dodge here. This is definitely town GS to me, based on Adel's mountainous open.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:18 pm

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GS: That is not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip involves accidentally using an incorrect term which implies your true feelings rather then those you are portraying.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:37 pm

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I was referencing a game where GS acted similarily as town, namely Open 62 or something, run by Adel, called Mountainous Multiball. I was even scum and tried to push a GS lynch, and if a remember a lot of the other scum did as well.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #37) » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:39 am

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Lol, way to throw in I'm an inexperienced townie into your post.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:12 am

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Post Post #444 (isolation #39) » Fri May 02, 2008 10:47 pm

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Nothing really has happened to change any of my opinions so far. Gorrad and James are both pretty scummy, Jdodge and GS are being voted unnecessarily, etc.

150% agree refusing to claim is pretty scummy.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #40) » Sat May 03, 2008 7:03 am

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Confirmable claim, I'll
Unvote
. Unless someone familiar with Pikmin is fairly sure that a Bombrock kill would look the same as either of the MO's we've seen, Gorrad, kill someone tonight, presumably there will be more kills and/or the MO should differ from those we have seen and we will be able to tell you did it.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #41) » Sat May 03, 2008 6:50 pm

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Just wondering, is there any specific reason you are hesitating on JtP?
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Post Post #461 (isolation #42) » Sun May 04, 2008 8:32 am

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JDodge wrote:
armlx wrote:Just wondering, is there any specific reason you are hesitating on JtP?
Yes. Look at his posts.
I guess the first half of his posts are pretty pro-town, but after that its a pretty steep slope downwards....
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Post Post #463 (isolation #43) » Sun May 04, 2008 12:18 pm

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Edit: Mod does not like quote pyramids.


I feel you are letting your view on Kison bias your view on JtP too much.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #44) » Sun May 04, 2008 12:27 pm

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Edit: Mod does not like quote pyramids.

Hardly. It just seems with your view on JtP has changed in connection with his views on you and Kison. And I thought you were pushing a Kison lynch? Your post earlier seemed to. I guess your point is if you were being biased you would be pushing harder?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #45) » Mon May 05, 2008 12:32 pm

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I seriously doubt either of them will be lynched and disagree that either should be (same with vigging).
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Post Post #472 (isolation #46) » Mon May 05, 2008 12:39 pm

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Gorrad wrote:Ok, let me rephrase- I'll kill whoever's second in votes after lynch.
Much better.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #47) » Mon May 05, 2008 12:48 pm

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Sarnath'ed by a full 14 minutes there....
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Post Post #480 (isolation #48) » Mon May 05, 2008 4:15 pm

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GS isn't getting the newbie card at all. Its the "This is GS standard behavior" card.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #49) » Mon May 05, 2008 4:16 pm

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EBWODP: Also, second the prod.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #50) » Mon May 05, 2008 6:52 pm

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Also
prods on UROE (last post April 12th), UA (last post April 15th), Sonic (last post April 21st, said he would be back in a week from then, hasn't posted on site since)
. Did I miss anyone?
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Post Post #489 (isolation #51) » Tue May 06, 2008 10:14 am

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Sonic >>>> JDodge IMO so...

Vote Sonic


Much rather see a JtP lynch though.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #52) » Tue May 06, 2008 12:08 pm

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Oh shit, just realized at deadline if there hasn't been a lynch there is none.More Sonic votes, only a bit under 5 hours.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #53) » Tue May 06, 2008 12:51 pm

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Kison wrote:Ugh. Armlx is right.

Vote : sonickid01
I know how you feel. Default lynches are the nut low.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #54) » Tue May 06, 2008 12:55 pm

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Any claim for us? Or just not gonna bother.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #55) » Sat May 10, 2008 6:20 am

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Unvote, Vote Kison
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I've definitely come around to Jdodge/JtP's point of view on this. The blatant opportunism is astounding.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #56) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:35 am

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Kison wrote:I find it hilarious that you have the nerve to call me opportunistic considering JDodge was on seven people(BEFORE he unvoted some) at the end of yesterday.
I don't see your point. I'm not denying his voting practices were questionable at times, but what does this have to do with you?
In any event you really need to do your homework. First is that JDodge voted me because he disliked how I went after GS for his slip(again, no vote involved but rather the typical loving pressure you apply when someone potentially makes a slip that you can explain both ways).
You continuing to do so was opportunism.
Secondly, JtP voted me for my D1 "opportunism." There was no opportunism in any of my Day One votes. Again, my first two votes were random :
Kison wrote:
Vote : Greasy Spot
Kison wrote:
Unvote

Vote : Shin Hatsubai
Both placed on the same day. I just swapped them around, and neither lasted very long.
And both happened in response to building pressure on that person and you kept attacking both for an easy lynch. That is the definition of opportunism
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Post Post #508 (isolation #57) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:36 am

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Kison wrote:
armlx wrote:That is definitely worth my second vote.

Vote James the Phox
armlx wrote:Just wondering, is there any specific reason you are hesitating on JtP?
armlx wrote:I feel you are letting your view on Kison bias your view on JtP too much.
What triggered this change of heart? You
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My vote on JtP yesterday had little to do with his view on you and more how he just hopped on the Jdodge wagon.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #58) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:50 am

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Also, your application of LAL to Jdodge is sketchy at best.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #59) » Sat May 10, 2008 10:19 am

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Those knowledgable with the game, any enemies that could blow someone up like that?
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Post Post #514 (isolation #60) » Sat May 10, 2008 10:31 am

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K, that doesn't really help but ok. Unless there's some enemy that can blow people up I see no reason Gorrad isn't confirmed town.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #61) » Sat May 10, 2008 10:50 am

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A quick search for explode, bomb, and blow shows nothing.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #62) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:29 pm

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This is page 22, not page 2. Stop being dumb guys.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #63) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:32 pm

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Gorrad wrote: Yo GS, Kison is scum. We should totally lynch him!
Fixed.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #64) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:36 pm

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I can't really see the later so strongly right now, mainly b/c I've seen GS do a lot of this as town before and been attacked and almost lynched before and those that mainly did it be scum before.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #65) » Sat May 10, 2008 8:06 pm

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I originally voted based on that first swap, then kept it on due to the Jdodge wagon.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #66) » Sat May 10, 2008 8:20 pm

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If he had hopped votes at that time to pretty much anyone I would have voted him.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #67) » Sat May 10, 2008 8:36 pm

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His first post voting you lacked real content vs you and felt to me like a weak attempt at pushing a wagon and hopping off GS at that time, which was exactly what I was expecting from scum regardless of where they moved their vote. However, he ended up posting a real case that has convinced me otherwise.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #68) » Sun May 11, 2008 8:42 am

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JamesThePhox wrote:Also, I didn't really do vote "hopping" Day 2. I just voted all the people I found suspicious. :P
Voting multiple people at once is the same as vote hopping in a normal game, only you don't have to unvote in the middle.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #69) » Sun May 11, 2008 8:56 am

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Kison wrote:armlx -
armlx wrote:I'm very \\unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.
You also said on D2 that you viewed pressuring GS over his slip to be an acceptable move up to a certain point. I was perhaps the first to back down once I saw it was getting nowhere, but you've embedded this as part of my unacceptable manipulation. Any reason I am such an exception? Also, what do you think of WindKirby?
Pressuring the slip at first was fine to see if GS decided to dig his own grave, which he started to a little, but he stabilized and the pressure no longer was useful. Your vote here was suspicious to me by the way as you made it first then attacked/justified later.

You did not really step down from GS all of Day 1 in my opinion, just drifted away and snapped back D2.

The last 2 I can answer in 1 statement: Currently my top suspects are you, PyroDwarf, windkirby, and JtP. Of those voting GS D2, I'm ignoring hascows as I think I'll be able to determine his scummitude much better by the later stages then now, skitzer because he's pretty null in general and falling close to my default lynch category (though he actually makes good points unlike most of the rest of them), xdaamno for same reason as hascow, and Blaze as I can see blaze town doing this. You are at the top as you seem the most malicious of those, then Pyro as he has been pretty under justified all game, then WK and JtP. WK is lower than you as when he posted his logic behind really attacking the slip I can see the train of thought used there (albeit a flawed one), and JtP as he finally posted the case on you and his D1 play was neutral at worst.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #70) » Sun May 11, 2008 9:10 am

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I see no where you blatantly disagree with the sip pressing, and I can help but see a connection between both your GS votes.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #71) » Sun May 11, 2008 9:48 am

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Your post seems a lot more on the fence IMHO.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #72) » Sun May 11, 2008 11:40 am

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You were still attacking the slip, thats the flaw.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #73) » Sun May 11, 2008 11:49 am

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No, at the point he was doing it it was. He started on it during the D2 GS wagon.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #74) » Sun May 11, 2008 11:53 am

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A bit before I did, when ZS became a valid wagon.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #75) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:42 pm

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Its more a matter of how they hopped off. Those who simply unvoted and didn't go elsewhere weren't too suspect, neither were those who actually made a decent case to back their attack. However JtP's actual moving of a vote with little reasoning at the time struck me as extremely scummy.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #76) » Sun May 11, 2008 3:24 pm

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Yeah, thats why JtP is right behind Kison on my scum list.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #77) » Sun May 11, 2008 5:49 pm

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JamesThePhox wrote:Well, we did have the ability to vote as many people as we want. Why not vote someone you are mildly suspicious of?
I explained how that is bad because it just leads to things spiraling out of control in multiple directions with little focus. Have you ever been in a normal game with 2 large wagons at once? Imagine that with more potential for an oops lynch.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #78) » Mon May 12, 2008 11:23 am

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Skitzer, we already confirmed there is no Pikmin enemy that can blow people up. No clue why you still suspect Gorrad.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #79) » Wed May 14, 2008 7:33 pm

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Claus wrote: Your case on windkirby seems to consist mainly of him buddying up with Kison, who you think is scum. So why are you voting WK and not Kison?
I think thats understating his case a little, but I'm also interested in why he thinks WK > Kison.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #80) » Thu May 15, 2008 1:33 am

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JamesThePhox wrote:Well I considered the 4 possible scenarios:

1) WK and Kison are both innocent.
2) WK is innocent and Kison is guilty.
3) WK is guilty and Kison is innocent.
4) WK and Kison are guilty.

However, WK's interaction with Kison... and with everyone in general isn't really townie or maybe deceptively townie-like. He often "agrees" with people but never formulates his own ideas. If WK was innocent, he should be more "figuring things out" rather than going with general consensus, which is what I believe his case on GS and on JDodge has been. Kison potentially could be innocent, because his interactions against JDodge weren't very scummy, and had I been in Kison's situation, I would've reacted in the same way. The only scummy things I have seen Kison do was his voting opportunism, which is not as scummy as windkirby's strange pairing with Kison.

Because of this, I can only see 3 and 4 as possibilities, which pins WK as guilty in both situations. Especially since, Kison hasn't really "buddied up" with WK, at least not to the extent that WK has done. Also, the lack of a vote on Sonic yesterday was a bit scummy. I initially voted for GS, solely on his vote on Gorrad, who I believed was innocent. I found that I jumped the gun a bit, and feel that WK has done much scummier things in the posts mentioned in my last post.

Kison is a very vocal player, and I can see WK as trying to support Kison's cases to gain his trust, especially upon seeing that Kison was attacking JDodge heavily, who has now been revealed to be a Pikmin.

That's why I voted for WK rather than Kison.
This is a very good post. I keep agreeing with Jdodge's assessment of you more and more.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #81) » Fri May 16, 2008 1:46 pm

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I still don't see any good reason GS is scummier then a lot of people right now.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #82) » Fri May 16, 2008 4:21 pm

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Kison, Pyrodwarf, and you off the top of my head.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #83) » Sat May 17, 2008 6:40 am

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armlx wrote:
Kison wrote:armlx -
armlx wrote:I'm very \\unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.
You also said on D2 that you viewed pressuring GS over his slip to be an acceptable move up to a certain point. I was perhaps the first to back down once I saw it was getting nowhere, but you've embedded this as part of my unacceptable manipulation. Any reason I am such an exception? Also, what do you think of WindKirby?
Pressuring the slip at first was fine to see if GS decided to dig his own grave, which he started to a little, but he stabilized and the pressure no longer was useful. Your vote here was suspicious to me by the way as you made it first then attacked/justified later.

You did not really step down from GS all of Day 1 in my opinion, just drifted away and snapped back D2.

The last 2 I can answer in 1 statement: Currently my top suspects are you, PyroDwarf, windkirby, and JtP. Of those voting GS D2, I'm ignoring hascows as I think I'll be able to determine his scummitude much better by the later stages then now, skitzer because he's pretty null in general and falling close to my default lynch category (though he actually makes good points unlike most of the rest of them), xdaamno for same reason as hascow, and Blaze as I can see blaze town doing this. You are at the top as you seem the most malicious of those, then Pyro as he has been pretty under justified all game, then WK and JtP. WK is lower than you as when he posted his logic behind really attacking the slip I can see the train of thought used there (albeit a flawed one), and JtP as he finally posted the case on you and his D1 play was neutral at worst.
Thats the general gist of it, Pyro's been pretty snipy/lurky as well. If you want more on kison, just read all the posts I've made.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #84) » Tue May 20, 2008 5:47 am

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skitzer wrote:Still very confident with the GS vote.
Why?
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Post Post #615 (isolation #85) » Tue May 20, 2008 9:22 am

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skitzer wrote:Well, Sonickid defended Greasy Spot, and Sonickid turned out to be anti-town, so I figure Greasy Spot is probably ant-town as well.
This is actually the best reason I have seen so far.
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Post Post #619 (isolation #86) » Tue May 20, 2008 2:28 pm

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Claus wrote:
armlx wrote:
skitzer wrote:Well, Sonickid defended Greasy Spot, and Sonickid turned out to be anti-town, so I figure Greasy Spot is probably ant-town as well.
This is actually the best reason I have seen so far.
How good a reason do you think it is?
Not very in the slightest.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #87) » Tue May 20, 2008 4:17 pm

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Greasy Spot wrote:
skitzer wrote:Well, Sonickid defended Greasy Spot, and Sonickid turned out to be anti-town, so I figure Greasy Spot is probably ant-town as well.
When did Sonic defend me and what did he defend me from that I hadn't already defended myself from.
Not that I agree with him, but the point that he didn't add new defense doesn't really mean much if he actually did defend you.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #88) » Wed May 21, 2008 11:11 am

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I don't usually trust scum's pre-death posts as much of anything.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #89) » Wed May 21, 2008 3:34 pm

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There is a line between scum and town that shifts a lot in the context of a newb Claus, and I'm not so sure if JtP has crossed it or not.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #90) » Thu May 22, 2008 1:02 pm

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JDodge wrote:
Kison wrote:
JDodge wrote:And why isn't Kison dead yet?
Because he is Town.
Why are we to assume that Kison is town?

The issue herein is that your
only
defense the entire game has been "because I'm town". Why aren't you giving any other reasoning?
I have to collect data is those kind of posts (sry, I'm town) is a scum tell.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #91) » Thu May 22, 2008 1:33 pm

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Don't trust your data collection methods, and the first one is actually a role claim.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #92) » Thu May 22, 2008 2:36 pm

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You act like I'm supposed to or going to read more than that post.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #93) » Thu May 22, 2008 3:04 pm

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I never said it was. That post was more of an offhand comment then anything that most likely belonged in MD.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #94) » Thu May 22, 2008 3:24 pm

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Kison wrote:And I'm saying it's time to move on because it's not going to help your case.
And Jdodge and I are saying that post doesn't help your case.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #95) » Thu May 22, 2008 3:41 pm

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If you know its not productive and an appeal to emotion, why do you do it then?

The above is my logical process behind possibly being classified as a scum tell. However, I don't have statistics to figure if it shows up just as often as bad play as it does as a scum tell.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #96) » Mon May 26, 2008 6:28 am

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Nightson wrote:
Gorrad wrote:Correct.
Do you think scum is more likely to defend scum or town
in a post where they admit they know they are already as good as lynched
?
I would like to amend this slightly.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #97) » Mon May 26, 2008 9:09 am

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Gorrad: I don't think there's any reason to believe anything Sonic said in his last post was any kind of info as its just a world of WIFOM.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #98) » Tue May 27, 2008 6:37 am

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Gorrad wrote:I have yet to see any believable evidence otherwise, so yes.
Gorrad, if you weren't confirmed, I would think you are scum.
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Post Post #679 (isolation #99) » Wed May 28, 2008 11:42 am

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There are many people who have not given their position on a Kison lynch yet. Those who haven't should now/soon.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #100) » Thu May 29, 2008 12:36 pm

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Gorrad wrote:Now now, greasy scum, remember- when JD has a tell on someone, he doesn't need to explain it. It doesn't even matter if they're confirmed town! He has found scum!
This post is funny and wrong at the same time.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #101) » Fri May 30, 2008 6:47 am

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I feel so lonely :(
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Post Post #690 (isolation #102) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:38 am

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Xdaamno wrote:
Claus wrote:Meh. The kison wagon is no more. Back to my other suspect then.

unvote. Vote JTP
Town tells.

Somebody ask me something.
Or you could stop lurking. Since your last post you have made at least 50 posts in non-mafia forums.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #103) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:47 pm

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Still waiting on that case Jdodge.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #104) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:02 pm

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WK, we are talking about the same Jdodge here, right?
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Post Post #700 (isolation #105) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:09 pm

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JDodge wrote: And the lack of case this time is not due to meta-read, it's due to not having the time to post it.
Your post implies you have one.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #106) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:19 pm

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I feel it does. You make a vote and make statements that imply there is a large case behind it, and I will be interested in hearing what you have to say so I can respond.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #107) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:24 pm

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JDodge wrote:
armlx wrote:I feel it does. You make a vote and make statements that imply there is a large case behind it, and I will be interested in hearing what you have to say so I can respond.
No, not really. "Because you imply that you have one" is not a real reason for wanting one. If I had a bridge to jump off of, would you want one too?
What are you trying to say here?

How I see it:

You vote me and say you have a case.

I ask for said case.

You try to get out of giving said case on semantics.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #108) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:09 am

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skitzer wrote:You make a good point, Claus, but I'm still more convinced on the Greasy Spot case. Although it looks like we are heading towards a JTP or windkirby lynch.
I still support a dead Kison, though of those 2 I would prefer the later to the former.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #109) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:27 am

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Jdodge, you vote someone and claim you have a case of reasons, and people are naturally going to be interested in why you are voting that person. When you fail to come up with said case, it makes it seem a lot like you were voting off stone nothing.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:09 pm

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I never said the game could not move forward. I simply said I was waiting on your case. Apparently, other people were too.

Stop trying to straw man your way into a case you build as you go.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #111) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:10 am

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JamesThePhox wrote:I'd rather see a windkirby lynch. Personally. :P
I can see that as well as a jdodge lynch. I just connected that he was replacing Pyrodwarf.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #112) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:27 am

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I prefer a Kison lynch to both. I have stated why. If absolutely no one agrees with me, I'll move along with a case on both.

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Post Post #735 (isolation #113) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:01 am

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I never said I had a case on either. I said I would make one if no one agrees with me on my primary suspect, whom I have already posted a case on.

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Post Post #739 (isolation #114) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:37 am

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JDodge wrote:So you're suspicious of them, yet you don't have a case on either?
:roll:

Arguing with you is possibly one of the dumbest things possible.

I have reasons I have found them suspicious which I have already stated, but I do not have a full PBPA case on either.

rebelkidrules (3:11:26 PM): jdodge1019: uhjdodge1019: i acknowledge and concede points all the time
rebelkidrules (3:11:34 PM): this is the most incorrect statement currently in chat
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Post Post #752 (isolation #115) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:55 pm

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This is a piss-poor vote.
I made it a habit to yell at self voters. See R-1000 mafia and Chaotic Diablo.
He started that god-awful "it was a slip" thing. He soon thereafter (after getting a few people onboard of it) drops it in favour of this:
I did. As I have said, I found his responses adequate for the scenario and moved along.
This is patently and horrifically false.
Explain please. I explained with a valid logic, as pretty much all scum hunting is based on "People do X as scum, he did X".
This is a convenient way to distance himself from the now-failing slip line of logic.
If you care to view it that way, ok. I legitimately learned about GS's play style in between the not-slip and then however.
He was your prime suspect yesterday. Why is he now only a secondary suspect?
You said it yourself. He was really scummy all of early/mid yesterday, but redeemed himself at the end and was fine D1.
Armlx, meet Volatile Dweevil.
I'm lazy and did not research heavily. Multiple people told me said thing did not exist. Said role also seems mildly suicidal.
I find it slightly odd that you did not search for bombrock, considering Gorrad said he had the vig because he had a bombrock.
Bomb is a fragment of bombrock that would show up on search. Checked the Gamefaq's site thing.
You figured out which kinds of dumb are which?
I figured out that kind of dumb = town/null.
Using irrelevant, unprovable and in general poor meta evidence to affirm the towniness of another player who is lurking almost non-stop in this game. Note that said person was voting him.
I thought and still do think I have a sick read on him.
Why not the same adamancy then as there is now?
You promised a case before I even said anything this time. I said I wanted a case back then as well.
Why is this imperative?
I suspect Kison to be scum. I want all and any opinions on him now to see what people said after he is presumably lynched.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #116) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:19 pm

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It's important to note that my case against armlx is mainly that he starts things like the whole "GS slip" fiasco and then takes the opposite position later when he realizes that it's not advantageous to remain on that side.
Thats actually 100% true about that case. I pressed GS to see if he would implode. He didn't, I moved along as it was no longer good play to attack him for that.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #117) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:00 pm

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Unvote Vote WK


What he said.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #118) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:03 pm

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I'm pretty sure.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #119) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:29 pm

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armlx, the only reason you said you found me scummy was for going after the slip, yet I do believe I have explained quite thoroughly why I found it viably suspicious. Do you actually still find it contrived?
Yes.
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Post Post #774 (isolation #120) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:57 pm

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I think now might be a good time to claim though.
Probably considering deadline.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #121) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:52 pm

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I'd believe it, except the survivor part......
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Post Post #783 (isolation #122) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:40 am

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In Adel's nightmare, someone had a role that allowed them to talk to the dead and relay thoughts, also claimed his win condition was a 'survivor'. Of course that part was a lie, and he was really mafia.

I'm feeling the same thing is true here.
I'm pretty sure there are more scum who claim survivor then survivors who claim it.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #123) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:42 am

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Also, doesn't his role just completely violate our win condition? Not a pikmin, so I don't think we can win with him still alive, so he can't be a survivor.
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Post Post #791 (isolation #124) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:29 am

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Jdodge, on your points

1. We do not discuss Jesters.
2. Can't be town right now.

3 and 4 are valid.

Um, yeah, anyways though, more lynching is needed.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #125) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:48 am

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Gorrad wrote:
Vote: Armlx
Reasoning?
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Post Post #803 (isolation #126) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:04 pm

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JDodge was killed. There's no reason JDodge should have been killed, especially over ME (confirmed innocent). Who was JDodge pushing? You.
The level of WIFOM you are getting into here is pretty insane.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #127) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:57 pm

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If you are counting on an even split among colors, I doubt it.
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Post Post #809 (isolation #128) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:00 pm

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Also please keep in mind that if you actually intend to go through with this you will out every power role in the game, as they seem to have alternate colors.
Thats a legitimate concern as well.
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Post Post #811 (isolation #129) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:23 pm

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He's referring to the fact we are assuming that the Purple/Whites are power roles.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #130) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:30 pm

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Hmm, we'll see. I've managed to crack the setup. I'm 85% sure of it. I will definitely not say any more than that, as doing so allows the scum to organise their claims.
If you are counting on an even split among colors, I doubt it.
Otherwise, I support a mass claim.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #131) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:03 pm

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Not sure what you mean by white
There are white Pikmin. Thats what I mean.
hen that actually means some roles may be standard color.
Also assumed.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #132) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:19 pm

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Hence the 'may'
No, when I said that I meant we generally assumed that to be true, not that the fact it was an assumption is bad.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #133) » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:57 am

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Everyone should probably comment pre-claim btw. I want to hear reactions before anything actually starts.

Pro-
Gorrad
Nightson
Armlx
Kison
Skitzer
xdaamno

Undecided
the other 6
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Post Post #829 (isolation #134) » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:58 pm

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For good reason.
Agree.
FOS Jester
for prying. No reason to release the breaking strat just yet.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #135) » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:49 pm

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Pro-
Gorrad
Nightson
Armlx
Kison
Skitzer
xdaamno
Jester
GW
dcorbe

Meh-
Claus

Not responded-
JtP
GS

As the only 2 people who haven't commented are inactive, we should proceed with claims and
MOD, please prod GS and JtP
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Post Post #840 (isolation #136) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:13 am

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Ghostwriter is up, but on LA, so I think we should go ahead and go to Skitzer and have GW just claim when he's next on.
Second this motion.
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Post Post #851 (isolation #137) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:27 pm

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Gorrad, your "plan" relied entirely on there being a limit on how many pikmin there might be of one color? Doesn't that require an unhealthy ammount of mod outguessing?
Face + palm, on 2 parts. 1 saying anything, and 2 I have already expressed concerns about.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #138) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:41 pm

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Also Blue.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #139) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:04 pm

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IMO skip next two as they aren't posting.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #140) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:27 pm

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I rescind the GS comment, he apparently returning tomorrow.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #141) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:31 pm

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JTP hasn't posted on site in 2 weeks.
Replace please?
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Post Post #861 (isolation #142) » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:06 am

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GS has stated in other games and his sig that he will be back tomorrow.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #143) » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:12 am

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So should we wait for tomorrow for his claim before JTP claims?
Order is pretty irrel, but whatever.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #144) » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:25 am

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Whichever of the 2 posts first should claim.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #145) » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:02 pm

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JTP, please note that by claim, we mean only your color.
Good call, that could have been awkward.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #146) » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:22 pm

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Yeah, he could end up claiming a survivor blowpuff or something Rolling Eyes
I lol'ed.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #147) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:43 am

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You know, I think we gain more info than we lose by not having an order.
What? I disagree completely.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #148) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:58 pm

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It's going to degenerate into WIOFMy logic. The only way to verify someone's claim is to lynch them.
Not really, assuming Gorrad is right we can approximate scum per group and go from there.
Personally, I would find speculating on player order a lot easier than speculating on colour info, which is almost irrelevant (at the moment). Having a pre-set order restricts speculation to the player who designed the order, if anyone did.
Speculating on claim order in a free for all claim is way too speculative.
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Post Post #883 (isolation #149) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:30 pm

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That leaves Nightson, GS, and GW.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #150) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:50 pm

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This last page has been very interesting to say the least. Waiting on the last 2.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #151) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:18 pm

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I don't see where you are going with this, but I'm willing to wait.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #152) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:20 pm

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Oh wow, you claimed White and you don't even know what your own role does?

Vote JtP


Now THAT is a slip.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #153) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:41 pm

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Bulbmin are enemies that can be converted to pro-Pikmin from what I have read in the Wiki, not sure what JtP is saying.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #154) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:43 am

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Xdaamno wrote:
Gorrad wrote:That admittedly looks very bad, but I really do think I'm onto something here. It rides rather heavily on GS, unfortunately.
How so?
Fos Xdaamno
for fishing for that before GS has claimed. Apply this FOS to anyone else who did this as I'm too lazy ATM to look it up (I know Jester was one),
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Post Post #910 (isolation #155) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:00 pm

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All that said, I'm going to Vote: Xdaamno, on the reasoning that people later on the claim list would be less likely to fakeclaim such a full color.
What are your thoughts on JtP after that whole issue?
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Post Post #912 (isolation #156) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:31 am

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Not to outguess the mod, but I highly doubt we only have one white. JtP probably just got confused. Or, who knows, maybe there IS a white pikmin ability to kill those who kill them. Either way, our best bet is choosing from the claimed reds.
I lol'ed when you said the not to out guess the mod thing. You shouldn't do that when your entire plan is out guessing the mod.

That being said, if I was lynching one of the reds, I really don't know who I would lynch besides me standing by my read on Xdaamno. The 3 there other than him haven't really done much of anything this game.

Still sure JtP is straight up lying though.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #157) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:41 am

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I certainly wasn't fishing. Gorrad implied the reason why it rided on GS was public knowledge which I hadn't picked up. I wasn't asking for anything new.
No, he did not imply that. You were asking for something new.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #158) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:55 am

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I don't see any way you could have read it like that though.

That being said, I still don't think you are scum, that FOS was more of a watch yourself then an actual suspicion.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #159) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:38 am

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Therefore, at LEAST one of the claimed reds, I'd say two or three, are scum.
That is a valid point. I will definitely reread all the reds right now.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #160) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:44 am

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And my reread revealed nothing. Of the non-xdaamno people all of them have done almost exactly the same things.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #161) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:10 am

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I don't see why armlx is getting all the credit for getting windkirby lynched.
No one is giving me the credit. Where is this coming from?
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Post Post #934 (isolation #162) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 am

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Gorrrad is the confirmed innocent, listen to him.
Bad logic. Confirmed innocents can be and often are wrong. The only reason their voice holds more weight is it is known to be unbiased by alignment, which isn't as big a deal as you seem to think or are claiming it to be.
I don't think I need to bring this up but Short Days Hurt Town. And I don't think the town has gained anything from this day, except a soon-to-be Pikmin lynch.
False (future info from mass claim, plus your major slip) and also appeal to emotion.
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Post Post #936 (isolation #163) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:05 am

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So your defense is you assumed the mod was lying to you?
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Post Post #939 (isolation #164) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:19 am

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Yes, but from the looks of things, he is saying no to this lynch while a group of 5-6 people are saying yes. It's like no one is listening to him at all. Your logic is the bad one.
I don't see how this proves any points. It's just a lime saying "Ur BAD!" for no reason. If one person disagrees with 5-6, default is not that the minority is right. I agree with him the reds are a good place to look for scum, but that will be once we lynch the better sub-set of scum (hint: it might be you).
If you agree with the mass claim, then does that also mean that you believe there is only one White Pikmin in this entire game. If you think so, why?
Right now I do, mainly because your post where you speculated on what your own role did in the abstract.

And mod hiding part of your ability without hint is pretty close to lying.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #165) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:35 am

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If there is a tomorrow.
Umm, I can't help but LOL at this. The only way there is no tomorrow is if

A) There still is a full 5 man mafia alive.

B) Cult with all successful recruits and none dead yet.

Doubt it.
The hint I got from the mod was that I wasn't explicitly told that I didn't have another ability. So I don't think the mod is lying to me at all, assuming I did have a latent bomb ability.
:roll: I don't buy this one bit. By that logic any of the basic townie PM's could be a bomb as they only say they have no night choice.
Also FALSE: If a person uses Appeal to Emotion, s/he is scum.
It's not a for sure deal, but it certainly falls under defending yourself with circular logic.
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Post Post #952 (isolation #166) » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:30 am

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If the white pikmin were bombs, wouldn't that basically make them equivalent to a suicide or one shot vig?
I think he's trying to imply super saint actually.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #167) » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:03 pm

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Sorry, JtP, not buying it.
This.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #168) » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:31 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:
Nightson wrote:James hasn't said anything in contradiction with the white role pm. Not that it would be hard to guess what such a townie pm would look like. I'm not sure about him right now.
Didn't you mean to say, "Not that it would be hard to guess what such a
townie
WHITE role
pm would look like.".

Slip much or is this your first time?

FOS: Nightson
"such a townie" = White role. Not a slip.
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Post Post #965 (isolation #169) » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:53 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:It could be if he is not a Pikmin.
Was this serious or poking fun at me?
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Post Post #977 (isolation #170) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:21 pm

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Basing assumptions about setups and roles on ScumChat is pretty much a bad thing. I'm willing to consider behavioral metas from it, but game design on there is a far cry from game design in a forum.
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Post Post #982 (isolation #171) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:43 pm

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L-2, anything else to claim JtP?
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Post Post #993 (isolation #172) » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:38 am

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No, he's saying, that based on the role claims, having 2 white pikmin seems more reasonable than having 6 red pikmin (2 dead + 4 claimed).
Yes, but based on your actions we don't think you are a white Pikmin....
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Post Post #995 (isolation #173) » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:48 pm

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a game that we already know has some freaky mechanics.

It does? Seems pretty clean cut to me.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #174) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:07 pm

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Kison wrote: I can't fathom why one moment you'd insinuate that Armlx shouldn't be given recognition for going after Windkirby, then the next use that very point to defend him.
I can. Who am I voting right now?
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #175) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:22 pm

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so, you're using bomb as if they were a PGO?
Doubt it, PGO usually kills anyone who targets them.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #176) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 pm

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Bomb can also mean kills the attacker on NKs. I'm assuming that was at least part of JtP's intent.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #177) » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:15 am

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Kison wrote:Depends... Is a Bulbmin a Pikmin? :-)

(honestly, I don't know)
It is a predator that has been parasitized by a Pikmin, so yes?
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #178) » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:49 am

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Mod, can we get a replacement on Ghostwriter?
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #179) » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:57 am

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There hasn't been a deadline announced, correct? Don't want to run into an awkward scenario involving it.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #180) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:37 pm

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I'm so lost right now. The 3 possible scum (imo) reds are all people I am having difficulty reading (xdaamno is excluded for aforementioned reasons).
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #181) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:27 am

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because that's who everyone else is going for and therefore has, from the off, a larger chance of being scum than dcorbe or Porochaz.
You actually believe this?

Also, way to be useless xdaamno....
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #182) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:02 am

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I think I figured it out, but I'll wait to see how that player responds to Claus's PBPA to vote.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #183) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:18 am

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Claus wrote:Awww... I hate when people do that.
I do too, but if I said what I was thinking it would ruin it.
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #184) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:24 pm

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Claus wrote:*bump*
I concur.

I think I'm just gonna go ahead and
Vote Porochaz
. The issue was his lurking here, which reminds me a lot of his behavior in Weather Mafia as Mafia Godfather (post every few days with something really short and semi-relevant). Though it looks like a small sample size, I can see the pattern already developing. Also another ongoing to support this.
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #185) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:57 pm

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skitzer wrote:
Mod: dcorbe has not been on the site for quite a while. He needed replacement in my game, so maybe you should look for a replacement.


I'm still pretty content with my vote. Purple Pikmin are strong, so whatever the Purple Pikmin's ability is (if they have one) is likely to be strong. I don't think there would be two in a game.
I don't like this logic at all for infinite reasons.
FOS Skitzer
, I think he is just fishing for a lynch on an easy to lynch player.
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #186) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:29 am

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skitzer wrote:What makes Greasy Spot easier to lynch than others? I think he has been incredibly dodging lynches so I wouldn't call him easy.
How is his dodging lynches incredible? What has he done to deserve a lynch besides his reactions to the dumb wagons so far, which is what he does every time regardless of alignment hence him being an easy lynch.

Also, how is his purple claim questionable in the slightest? With the info we have about whites, why do you suspect purples have some kind of role too powerful to have 2 of in the game?
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #187) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:39 pm

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Replacement on Dcorbe is better, he was replaced elsewhere too.
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #188) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:40 pm

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Yes, better candidates, but you two seemed pretty certain(well, armlx, at least) that I was scum for a good while. I haven't heard a peep about it in a long time, which is strangely odd to me.
The mass claim changed things. We now have possible set up or role based things to add to behavior.

Your vote seems kinda OMGUS though.
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #189) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm

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What about The Jester?
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #190) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:59 am

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What Claus said about your first 2 points. And as said it was his death post that Sonic defended GS with so it means nothing due to WIFOM reasons.
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #191) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:20 am

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What I mean by the 2 point is that if GS is a purple pikmin, they are stupider than other pikmin. So he would be stupider than other colored pikmin, therefore that doesn't make sense.
Thats the dumbest argument I've heard against him so far......
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #192) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:01 pm

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Prozac, I believe both Claus and I have made points about your behavior.
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #193) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:30 am

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Ok, what about the things Claus stated. While most of them are GW related, that doesn't let you off the hook on them. Have you responded to this?
Post 5: Question: What was this post, exactly, a defense of GS or Skitzer?
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #194) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:35 pm

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I dont think the colour claim was a great idea tbh, if someone could explain what advantage that gave us in small words and possibly pictures it would help. I think to think that the pikmin distribution is even is very presumptious...
There is a definite balanced max to the number of each pikmin type assuming the enemy's kills are ineffective vs a certain type in order to prevent variance from taking place and leaving the scum in something like a 6 v 1 where they can't kill anyone.
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #195) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:01 pm

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Claus wrote:
armlx wrote: There is a
definite
quite likely
balanced max to the number of each pikmin type assuming the enemy's kills are ineffective vs a certain type in order to prevent variance from taking place and leaving the scum in something like a 6 v 1 where they can't kill anyone.
There, fixed it for you.
I guess. I trust MBF not to be an idiot thought.
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #196) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:08 pm

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Claus wrote:Making the scum lose their nightkills is not an idiotic choice, just a harsh one. There ARE nightless games afterall.

That said, I'm just wagging my chin, this isn't really relevant to the game now.
In order for that to be true there would have to be so many scum the numbers wouldn't cross the balanced threshold anyways.
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #197) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:49 am

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The Fonz wrote:Prozac, if you're town it's important to get as much analysis out there as possible. Both because if you die, it'll be useful, and also because it will help us get a correct read on you.
QFT, this also applies to anyone who is going to be lynched ever, assuming they aren't scum who just want to STFU and not share info.
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #198) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:36 am

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That's four votes, I belive.
No, its 5.
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #199) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:37 am

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The Fonz wrote:Five. You just put him at l-1.
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