Mini 1968: Bread uPick: The Baker's Dozen: Endgame

[Wormhole]

I mean, I'm voting you, so sheeping me is probably not in your best self-interest ...

Telling your scumread that you'd sheep them isn't really such a great look tbh.

Who do you actually find scummy (besides for myself, of course)?

--s

[drealmerz7]

we have 10 fucking days, why are people talking about compromises or alternative options and all that

need to just be scumhunting and voting who you think is most likely scum at this point

[Firebringer]

Ask a question for 20 questions

[drealmerz7]

wish you were a Dayvig

games need more Dayvigs

make them gated for D2, and LETEMRIP

[Firebringer]

I probably would have shot u for not voting dunker

[drealmerz7]

badkitty

[drealmerz7]

you should know I will never be coerced like that

[Firebringer]

Actually I would have just shot dunker
Shooting u would be stupid

[drealmerz7]

unless it is explicitly scummy like, playerA claimed a guilty on playerD and playerD flipped scum and now we're voting playerX because playerA said they have a guilty on playerX and me (playerQ) refuse to vote playerX, so then you (playerF) shoot me cause that legit looks like I"m scumbuds with playerD and playerX

[drealmerz7]

right

[Chickadee]

Actually, that one weird post is the reason I find your slot scummy.

can you quote what post you are referring to it's a bit unclear to me

Literally the only post from ecto that had anything going on. The one

everyone

thought was bizarre.

Spoiler:

Okay so I'm rolling along kind of reading backwards and feeling a bit lazy. I noticed that we have a couple claims? I think? Anyhow I was thinking "You know Smocaine is looking pretty town, let's call that out and ask for a synopsis from the town in general about these claims."

And then I see this post from Smocaine and start to both panic and get a bit pissed. Because it appears to show less than 21 hours before a deadline and it was a quote!

But it isn't true. I've posted the most recent one that I could find it it has 2 days and 21 hours.

This is what I call putting false pressure on the town. I don't know if it was intentional because it was a nested quote? But I am not happy about it and very much point a

fos

at Smocaine. Why? Because even though it isn't actually the most recent deadline post when you look at the vote count, it still gave ME that impression from a quick once over and DID give me a jolt and want to hurry up and do something before deadline.

Votecount 1.07

Fykus	L-2	Gorkington, Creature, McMenno, Smocaine, Whemestar
Chickadee	L-4	Fykus, Fenraiser, Firebringer
Fenraiser	L-5	Wormhole, Chickadee
Smocaine	L-6	drealmerz
Firebringer	L-6	MisaTange
Not Voting	---	CityElectric

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-28 02:15:00).

Phonevotecount, apologies if I made any clumsy errors and for lack of pagetop timing.

egh

VOTE: fenraiser

let's just kill something

Votecount 1.10

drealmerz7	L-3	Smocaine, Dunkerdoodles, Creature, Fykus
Dunkerdoodles	L-4	Chickadee, Firebringer, Wormhole
Fykus	L-4	McMenno, drealmerz, Whemestar
Chickadee	L-6	Gorkington
Firebringer	L-6	MisaTange
Not Voting	---	Ectomancer

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-30 02:15:00).

Ask a question for 20 questions

It is a alive?

[Firebringer]

It is a alive?

No

[drealmerz7]

is it tangible?

[Firebringer]

No

[drealmerz7]

answer:

your ire

[Firebringer]

What

[WhemeStar]

Fire why do you townread dreal

[Gorkington]

nvm i guess im still here.

work is garbo for today and tomorrow.
committing to reading more on the weekend/picking at fishy's stinkpiece on me.

[Fishythefish]

This town really does need to pull itself together. The two main things here are:
1) Gork is scum.
2) Wheme is probably fakeclaiming cop, and needs to fullclaim, retract his claim, or die.
Can we please focus on those things?

[WhemeStar]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop

You need to pull yourself together

[Fishythefish]

OK - so if you are a straight up cop, why did you vote dunker and demand his claim after investigating him?

[WhemeStar]

Hmmmmm maybe I'm not a straight up cop

[Fishythefish]

So, what are you? I find it very unlikely that you can't reveal enough of your role to explain this.

[Smocaine]

Stop Fishy

[Gorkington]

Gork's play around drealmer's early wagon is bad. Here, i) Gork townreads both of the wagon,

i dont really see the magnitude of any wagons, so no idea who youre referring to other than creature here. for creature, yes, having played with him, its literally trivial to parse his towngame from his scumgame. can ask other people in the game for confirmation on this.

and says dreal's play is "weird" without quite saying it's scummy. Gork then asks drealmer to be less combative. It really feels like Gork wants to push the wagon, without getting into conflict with drealmer - who was playing aggressively at that point in the game.

i) drealm has admitted hes playing weird this game.
ii) drealm engaged me about OOG stuff, i responded, he responded [being a dick] and i asked him to stop. literally none of this has anything to do with me pushing him or scumreading him. kind of a lazy assessment of that interaction. there was no "wagon" to push while avoiding it. why would i even care about that at the start of d1 anyways when a lynch is probably not happening that early?

I disliked the exchange with Firebringer which starts here. Gork is using his history with FB to push the latter out of a scumread, while simultaneously doing some buddying with FB. This really feels like something scum would be more likely to do; it's pretty manipulative.

i) i buddy people as town pretty often, especially people i like and especially especially people i like that i think are town.
ii) i wont lie that i was manipulative, but it was kneejerk and probably something i actually wouldnt do as scum because i would feel bad about it. i dont think about things before i do them as town. as scum im a nervous mess overthinking my every post. im not going to immediately go the bullying route if im being scumread by someone i consider my friend and firebringer and i have a lot of context outside of the game. pretty sure firebringer's townread on me is based to some degree on that? but i could be wrong.

Gork fits really well as a partner for Misa. This goes in both directions, but for the bits which are Misa-driven, I just don't see her being a crafty enough scumbag to plant this link on purpose. Repeatedly, Misa is concerned about scumreads on Gork, in a way that she isn't for anything else in the game.

i was going to rebutt against this, but rereading back, misa does this literally once that i can see. so. not really sure why youre exaggerating unless you just want the case to sound better?

Misa explains a post of Gork's for no obvious reason.

I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."

or trying to find something thats easy to jump into the game on.

She tries to defuse a conflict involving Gork.

no idea what this is referring to, unless its the answer to etl's question to misa about the aforementioned post:

I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."

So.... my question to you would be, why did you feel the need to answer for Gork?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯, though I think it could be more answering to me also feeling around for how Creature plays, and also this weird end-thought process of also "Okay, how so?"

might need to explain what you mean here more carefully?

She comments on Gork's argument with FB, initially not picking a side and then voting FB when pressed - with no reason for preferring FB over Gork.

having a reason to have a vote on someone to seem like she isnt doing nothing? its not possible to you that misa took some noisy tVt shit and used it to try to generate some content as scum, rather than immediately jumping to "SCUM IS PROTECTING THEIR KIN!"?
i feel that stuff doesnt happen as often with players like misa? honestly i would probably raise my eyebrow in a kneejerk way too with misa flip in hand, but if you think about this, should probably not be that cut and dry.

Gork then asks about this - but not for long, and doesn't really do anything about it.

does it seem like i really did much about anything in this game questionwise? ive been pretty fucked healthwise the last week and a half and burnt out to some degree mafia-wise. literally was not feeling confident about a scumread on anyone, which was pretty much a universal experience in this game. i would be surprised if there werent ten other questions that i threw at other people at some point during this game hoping to get a feel for them, which i didnt get something with, so i moved on. do it a lot as town. possibly less this game because its been a slog and wasnt at 100%.

He later says here that Misa is "even harder to sort than Fykus". This feels really off; Misa had quite a lot that could be read, and it felt like Gork was prodding at it earlier.

I wouldn't expect Gork to be putting her in an unreadable pile at this point.

why not for the bolded? she wasnt answering any of my questions with any degree of actual substance or insight into her thought process. i generally get reads based on understanding how people think. i had no idea how misa's thought process worked at all.

i get the misa/me connection because its flashy and she made some awkward posts that have my name in them and i appreciate the big catch-up post so quick after replacing in, but you missed a lot context and not putting quotes in your case made it impossible to follow what you were saying at points.

im legitimately not scum this game and im hitting a second wind motivation-wise and getting better health-wise so im probably going to have the energy to make it more clear.

god firebringer im sorry this felt like a mastina post but i needed to make it.
forgive me.
q.q

if i feel up to it and work isnt fucking me sideways will try to do a reread.
if not this weekend is a for sure commitment that if i dont hold myself to, you should probably scumread me for stalling. or at least tell me you will so i dont slack anymore in this game.