Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[UC Voyager]

. . .

will get to reading later!

[UC Voyager]

Finishing up page 7

The case on Elmo seems very vague and not good enough for a page 7 l-1 wagon. Just not enough to it

Ectomancer is pinging me as scum due to the fact They put Elmo at L-1 that early! Plus, they were saying they didn't like havingfitz who i think is townie because of the fact they were not on the Iceguy wagon. They didn't even list reasons on why to think Havingfitz was scummy

Transcend isn't even making a case at all. he is just saying elmo is scum! this is ringing so many red alarms!

Mutant is topping the scum charts! he said he isn't targeting anyone in particular, but then moves on to make a case and target Elmo! It looks like he is trying to be friendly while guiding an easy misslynch!

[UC Voyager]

Ok.

Luca is playing his town meta. i am familiar with it. i disagree with some of the things he is saying, but it is something i would expect from Luca

Transcend is continuing to be useless and isn't contributing to the town! I find it beyond insane!

He is townreading Fish, but i don't see why so far. He had not posted a ton

[UC Voyager]

DeasVail jumping everywhere is pinging me as scum! he was voting for iceguy until Iceguy omgus and then he seemed to get a little afraid or somthing and unvoted in hope that iceguy wouldn't make a case on Deas.

[UC Voyager]

Transcend and Mutant trying to end the day fast! SORRY! the day is meant to be for the town! if the town were to end the day short, then they could't do as much scum hunting!

Transcend isn't even worth noting anymore! his posts should be ignored!

[UC Voyager]

boring(4) - Luca Blight, mutantdevle, Transcend, Ectomancer <----------

wagon of the gods

. . .
Transcend(3) - sheepsaysmeep, Fishythefish, DeasVail <-----------

moron centrale

???????why
kelbris(2) -

IceGuy, Yuria

<-------------

hands down at

least one scum

here this is fucking awful

IceGuy(2) - boring, kelbris <---------

deece vote, but boring being on it is ughhhh but boring is capable of bussing

sheepsaysmeep(1) - Rem <--------

a vote that the scumclaimed viomi slot has taken with no stance to this date

Ectomancer(1) - havingfitz <--------

fitz no

why not?

not voting (0) -

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
(expired on 2017-11-12 15:00:00)

Edited to fix colors, I think this is what the poster intended.

[UC Voyager]

This formal posting style is not usual for Voyager and is instantly making me suspicious of him.

format?


tbh.

i just thought i would try something new and read the game thread and make updates as i went. . .

[UC Voyager]

Transcend is definitely scum. He is the one who claimed JK, causing Yuria to CC and ultimately making town lose a PR which is NOT something a town-aligned player would do.

VOTE: Transcend

did he really?

[UC Voyager]

i'm the jailkeeper.

boring, Rem, and IceGuy are scum

If one of these is wrong, Yuria is scum

Everyone else is town.

Oh and also Im a jailkeeper so don't lynch me.

Unless you want a dead jailkeeper ofc.

i think if someone wants to cc me they should hide

but yes i'm the jailkeeper

damn....

[UC Voyager]

i'm the jailkeeper.

boring, Rem, and IceGuy are scum

If one of these is wrong, Yuria is scum

Everyone else is town.

Oh and also Im a jailkeeper so don't lynch me.

Unless you want a dead jailkeeper ofc.

i think if someone wants to cc me they should hide

but yes i'm the jailkeeper

damn....

that wasn't the best move. lol
VOTE: transcend
because he is obv scum at this point. everything i have read so far has said he is scum!

im honestly done with the updates as i go along thing. . .it is just to hard.....: p so i will catch up and make posts then!

[UC Voyager]

i just read most of the thread. i use the word most because i did go through it a little fast but i did get an idea of what all happened

Transcend is scum because of his random pushes that the didn't back up at all, the fact he claimed JK as well as not contributing. Everything he has said and done has been scummy in some sort of fashion

[UC Voyager]

I really wish Yuria had waited until at least today before CC'ing - the situation probably would have taken care of itself.

The problem is if Transcend is Town then it's basically a wet dream come true for scum.

this is true. I have a hard time believing scum would risk fake claiming day one. But i do not see why town would do unless he was trying to be night kill bait.

[UC Voyager]

That is the only explanation from a Townie perspective, but unfortunately that possibility was ended with the CC.

I'm leaning Town because it would be an incredibly ballsy move by scum, especially as they'd know a JK was in the game. No way would they want to trade one of their team for a JK on D1.

so why would town do that?

im asking because there is no reason for townie to do that! I don't get the logic for either alignment!

[UC Voyager]

was trying to be night kill bait.

which leads to the next question

how did you know there was a jailkeeper?

[UC Voyager]

so why would town do that?

im asking because there is no reason for townie to do that! I don't get the logic for either alignment!

Being assigned a town role doesn't always lead to civic-mindedness. I'm still in the Transcend-is-town camp.

I don't like that there were no scum wagons yesterday (assuming I'm reading Transcend right). Scum got a free ride yesterday, which points to those just who were just floating along. I could go for either DaesVail or Ectomancer today. Possibly kelbris, Fitz, or rem. I'm feeling a little tinfoil for Fish, but I think my potential scum pool is big enough without him. Voyager's entrance was okay. I felt okay about Sheep too, so I'm putting him in Fish's pond.

Basically, I'm only feeling good about Transcend, Luca, and mutant right now.

VOTE: DaesVail

what is the case on daesvail

[UC Voyager]

what is the case on daesvail

It hasn't changed much since my first assessment of him. He's playing like either fairly disinterested town, or careful scum. A good scum game is totally neutral, with no posts that give away alignment. Town is clumsy because we're uninformed, so we shit all over the place. I think careful scum is more likely than disinterested town right now.

I "COMPLY". . He has been on site for a long time, so i doubt he would be a bad town, but do you think he was searching for town credit by not being on the Iceguy wagon?

[UC Voyager]

ereas Viomi continues to post after

this is another thing i have to agree on

In fact, i have never kept posting in a thread after i requested replacement. I want to iso Deas and see what i find

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Transcend

This naked vote scares me.

[UC Voyager]

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

[UC Voyager]

i clearly said in my post tho for no one to cc me

Yeah...how'd that work out?

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

He's voting the same wagon you are. Why the

I hope this is a joke because
1. Naked vote
2. Self vote
3. Scummy player
And so on

[UC Voyager]

I just read DVs iso and reread some id the game.
UNVOTE:
I will explain my thoughts when I'm not mobile

[UC Voyager]

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is
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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!
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He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!
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he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day
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He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.
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He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!
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Im not sure if i think that transcend could be scum buddy, but im starting to think he isn't

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: UC

968 is such a bad case I think UC must have started with a decision to jump on the DV wagon and gone from there. (I can go into detail some time if nobody else rips it apart first, but right now it's time to sleep)

hmmm.

A random jump if you ask me.

[UC Voyager]

I say that because I agree with a lot of points everyone is making. But everyone is accusing each other. Hence I can see scum in everyone’s play and therefore I’m not really trusting of anyone right now.

I also feel like people’s views on me are dropping. Perhaps because I’ve been fading away into the background and becoming less and less relevant.

I will give some reads tomorrow wen I can properly define my opinions on people.

that is what people do in this game. what else do we do?

[UC Voyager]

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is
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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!
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He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!
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he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day
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He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.
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He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!
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Im not sure if i think that transcend could be scum buddy, but im starting to think he isn't

Did you read my posts properly or not really? This is actually an important question that I need you to answer honestly.

yes i read them.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Deas
this isn't just it. I want to look into a few more case.
Also
thi is't naked. i stated my first case a lil ago.

[UC Voyager]

I’m at work, but

VOTE: Elmo

Deas, what would be your thoughts if Elmo flipped Town?

I don’t have time right now to go through things with an Elmo-town mindset (and I tend not to read things with the assumption of a particular alignment until there’s a flip because I’m a slow thinker and also a bit lazy), but I would look at things like how people interacted around the wagon. With an easy mislynch I’d expect scum to feel almost guilty about being associated with it and see if that were betrayed by their posts. I’d also pay attention to more generic things that could be amplified by the situation, such as an increased self-consciousness and care put into how they look with anything Elmo-related. And if someone is avoiding the wagon, why are they avoiding it. Do the reasons feel informed? Are they trying to look town by not mislynching Elmo? It’s difficult speaking in general terms like this without examples, but that’s the best I can do.

I also think it’s very unlikely that Elmo is a town PR and I don’t think kelbris is as likely to be scum.

he votes for Elmo in 353 with a naked vote, but turns around and explains why he is town in 374. Then he unvotes in a few posts, but says "UNVOTE BORING". This is an easy way to get some town credit while still pushing theiggest wagon. and the unvote is probably so people didn't notice.

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[UC Voyager]

@Voyager

- do you feel like answering Fishy's case against you?

responding to a case won't help me scum hunt!


Also, i do kind of find it funny how you placed the format thing on me, but realised the only game we are in together was the one where i was scum, so different format isn't really a bad thing.

one sec. i want to look into a few posts

[UC Voyager]

DeasVail
How did i missread your posts. It seems to me Like they meant something different then you say they do. if you could explain that to me

[UC Voyager]

So yeah, UC's case on DV is just impressively bad.
- Some of it is things that just aren't scumtells
- Some of it is places where UC has misread DV, or is misrepresenting him badly
- In one juicy bit, I think UC slips that he knows boring's alignment
I think this case clearly came from a UC deciding to vote DV, and then justifying it - I just can't imagine it being a genuine read from DV's posting. That's not something town never do, but scum do it a hell of a lot more.

Luca

: what do you think about UC here?

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is

UC doesn't explain why these are scummy, but hey, this is gold dust compared to the rest of the case.

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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

These posts are 6 pages apart with massive wagon context UC ignores.

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!

That's just not true. DV did

unvote

IceGuy, which I guess was what UC saw here.

He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!

The point about DV saying scum are emotionally involved while being a backseat player himself kinda sounds good, but read it in context. Firstly, DV said scum are

less

emotionally involved. Secondly, DV said that about Viomi replacing out. There's no reading of it where it is relevant to people who aren't getting upset about the game. Go read this in context.

he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day

Going on V/LA is just not a scumtell.

He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.

Huh?

Does UC know boring is town?

I don't see how else this makes sense.

He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!

I don't know what this means.

@UC:

what lynch were you talking about here, and who are you referring to when you talk about bussing?

meh. i might as well

1) how am i miss reading it?
2) how is it artificial
3) i didn't slip. i was just finding it scummy he said he scum read someone, but then voted for someone else. I don't see how i could imply that i knew Borings allignment

[UC Voyager]

Hi! Haven't read much yet, but I should get to it tomorrow.

finished reading yet?

[UC Voyager]

ng the fact that you were conf scum to me in that game for longer than you've been in this one, and the fact we have two other completed games together in which you were Town.

In that other game, i was literally forced to bus, lol, i still don't like the idea of it!

Im sorry. i forgot we were actually together in Mini Normal: Flairs, but im not sure of any other FINISHED game we were in together

[UC Voyager]

The Mandela one.

oh yea!

[UC Voyager]

Also,

VOTE: Ectomancer

@Ecto - I don't understand why you're holding out to be the hammer for Deas. It's an abrupt change from your D1 MO. Why not just vote, and then try to rally more votes?

Because at that position I can either drive the train forward or apply the brakes. It sort of depends upon how it arrives at that junction. It puts me in a stronger position of control than kick starting a wagon and rallying the troops. That's sufficient for D1, but not really optimal for D2.

What happens if I never get to L-1?

Then you will neither be led to nor saved from the hangman's noose by me.

Why this change in MO?

In the military, if you have two guys to do a job, one of them does the job and the other one supervises. Why? Because the guy doing the job is down in the trenches with a narrowed focus. The other guy can keep his eye on the big picture and make certain that the job is done safely and properly.

this is a game of mafia. not the military. I don't even see the point in this. It is just filler

Now I realize that I didn't ask for the privilege and you might express your displeasure at my creation and assumption of what is essentially a power role (a no controversy town hammer). And even assuming that it would be a no controversy hammer is controversial without a confirmed town status (they would take over the hammer role if that were to occur).

i don't understand this

But the fact is that I get emotional when first person in the discussion and that hampers my objectivity.

So this is the role I intend to play. I'll ignore any votes on me and in fact won't even acknowledge that they are there. I won't claim and won't give an analysis until I am ready, even if pressured with an L-1. Said L-1 would be scum pressure anyhow as we have game deadlines and I would certainly be obligated to deliver it be then. Until said analysis I'll simply be guiding the conversation onto interesting paths without becoming one of the direct participants.

so you like ATE. I just got out of a scum game where i used ATE to get myself out of L-1. You won't acknoledge votes on you. it is decent to scum hunt and defend yourself at the same time. scum can easily ignore cases on them, so they can scum hunt and draw attention to someone else. you will "GUIDE" the conversation away from you, and to someone else

hmmmmm
I don't know what to think of this. I do think that i should reread some stuff and see what it looks like if i read it w/o iso. My case may be a little weaker

[UC Voyager]

How do you feel about these folks? kelbris, mutantdevle, havingfitz

I have not been liking mutant. a few of his posts have been raising red alarms

[UC Voyager]

Elaborate

He said he didn't trust any of us because we were "scum reading each other". The scum team would love for us to not be scum hunting.


A few of his other posts did raise a few alarms

[UC Voyager]

Elaborate

He said he didn't trust any of us because we were "scum reading each other". The scum team would love for us to not be scum hunting.


A few of his other posts did raise a few alarms

[UC Voyager]

I say that because I agree with a lot of points everyone is making.

But everyone is accusing each other

. Hence I can see scum in everyone’s play and therefore I’m not really trusting of anyone right now.

I also feel like people’s views on me are dropping. Perhaps because I’ve been fading away into the background and becoming less and less relevant.

I will give some reads tomorrow wen I can properly define my opinions on people.

this is implying you don't like how people are scum hunting and making reads.

[UC Voyager]

Let's get more votes on UCV.

why?
there is barely a case on me? Im still trying to get my feet in the game. I have barely made reads and i need to reread to understand everything. Fishythefish made something of a case on me, you just said im scummy as either alignment. thats barely a case. moving on

[UC Voyager]

here is a few things that stand out in Mutant's ISO

VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN

I’m also currently willing to vote for havingfitz if the wagon was to switch to him. Both of these players strike me as scummy but as Elmo currently has a bigger wagon on them, and I just see them as generally less useful for the town, that is where my vote lies.

I'm getting bored. Why isn't Elmo dead yet? :3

1.
what the hell. like. So you didn't show much reasoning for voting Elmo before then you give him a vote

2.
He had the bigger wagon?!?! OPEN SCUMMING. like hell. that is super scummy

3.
He stops scum hunting (not that he was before), then complains about the day not ending. wow.
-trying to get the day over faster
-trying to lower the amount of scum hunting.

give the replacement a chance to claim...

This is a bad idea for 2 reasons.

The only thing that would prevent most of us from lynching the spot would be if the replacement role claimed as a power role. That is bad as it would result in a counterclaim exposing one of our PRs. If Elmo was a PR they would have role claimed by now. Overall, it would just be unfair on the replacement or do damage to the town.

Second of all, it's impossible for us to know if Elmo genuinely doesn't want to play anymore or this is the tactic the scum have come up with. Giving the replacement a chance is exactly what the mafia would want us to do to steer us off the scent of Elmo's slot being scum or delay the game as much as possible.



@Elmo if you genuinely don't want to play then vote for yourself. You would no longer have to commit to the game and it would prevent time being wasted on finding a replacement.

1.
so you risk lynching a PR when he can claim and give the town a chance to get an actual scum and not a PR. Plus town PRs will often try to last as long as they can without claiming. even if the spot light is on them. Generally, you claim PR when you get down to L-1 and someone says they will hammer you.

2. so you shouldn't give him a chance to play better? how would that help town. That makes no since. that only helps scum because i have been scum in a game of replacements. it makes everything harder. it would be easier to just lynch the replacment before they could do anything different than the person before them.

VOTE: boring

Sorry :/

VOTE: Transcend

naked votes????????

Ugh fine. But you guys better be right about this because I really don't see it. I feel like that regardless of what IceGuy flips people are still going to be after boring tomorrow.

VOTE: IceGuy

Also @Yuria, please just get damn lucky and jail the exact person who tries to shoot you.

casually jumps on biggest wagon even though he has no reason to, plus he had not shown any signs of scum reading him, then says we should go after boring tomorrow.

I also noticed this was a lolhammer! hey Luca. remember Newbie 1826 Basketball where i was scum and i

1. lolhammered (twice)

due to a lack of defense on his case, i agree to hammer assemble

VOTE: assemble

this isn't because i wont be active. this is because he just wont post and try to defend his case. he is just trying to lay back and hope no one finishes him. we know he has been online, but yet he doesn't post when all this pressure is on him?????we have given him to many warnings...

2. tried to guide another misslynch while lolhammering

What the hell

If she flips town, I really want everyone to consider blackvoid. Who I have been trying to get lynched. I am convinced CT is scum now.
VOTE: cheekyTeeky
Please flip scum

3.notice the similar wording.

Ugh fine

. But

you guys better be right

about this because I really don't see it. I feel like that regardless of what

IceGuy flips people are still going to be after boring

tomorrow.

VOTE: IceGuy

Also @Yuria, please just get damn lucky and jail the exact person who tries to shoot you.

What the hell

If she flips town,

I really want everyone to consider blackvoid

. Who I have been trying to get lynched. I am convinced CT is scum now.
VOTE: cheekyTeeky

Please flip scum

green:

saying somthing like fine/whatever/what the hell/why not

blue:

trying to be hopeful for the payer to flip scum.

red:

trying to guide the next misslynch. he didnt say he wanted to, but I feel like he is trying to give everyone else the midset that boring should be lynched tomorrow.



I have been thinking about mutant being scum for a while, and currently, he is actually starting to look similar to me in the one noobie game where i was scum!

[UC Voyager]

So why the switch from Deas? Are you no longer scumreading Deas or do you just think Mutant is more likely to be scum?

Where do you stand on Transcend right now?

im not sure what to think of transcend. He is super scummy, but that isn't unusual for him

[UC Voyager]

Just realised you're actually still voting Deas.

yea because he is my other scum read, but im close to voting mutant

[UC Voyager]

Right now my list of 'Most likely to flip scum' is as follows: (in no particular order)

UCV
Kelbris
Fitz
Pr0Hawk
Deas

This is close to my list; I'd sub in boring for fitz, but otherwise LGTM.

@UC:

what do you now think of Deas? You seemed very sure he was scum; has that changed?

@ProHawk:

your post doesn't really give any alignment reads on any people who are actually being voted for (Transcend, DV, UC). Is there any more you can say on them (maybe by reading them more specifically)?

I definitely think that DV could be scum with Mutant. My vote is residing there. I would be willing to change it to mutant if anyone else wants to look into that slot.

[UC Voyager]

I feel like UC is just ignoring me except when he wants to criticise me...

what fucking question?????I just looked through your posts, and you didn't ask me SHIT

[UC Voyager]

I feel like UC is just ignoring me except when he wants to criticise me...

what fucking question?????I just looked through your posts, and you didn't ask me SHIT

Ffs you really aren’t good at reading things. I don’t mean you’re ignoring my questions I mean you seem to be ignoring my posts in general. You seem oblivious to the points that I and a few others are raising against you. The unanswered questions I am referring to have been asked primarily by other players but I’d also like to see those questions answered. If you can’t be bothered to reread to find those questions then I will make a list of them tomorrow.

It’s time you stopped ignoring the wagon that’s forming against you and start explaining your actions and your ignorance.

ID be happy to address those points, if they EXISTED!

[UC Voyager]

I feel like UC is just ignoring me except when he wants to criticise me...

what fucking question?????I just looked through your posts, and you didn't ask me SHIT

Ffs you really aren’t good at reading things. I don’t mean you’re ignoring my questions I mean you seem to be ignoring my posts in general. You seem oblivious to the points that I and a few others are raising against you. The unanswered questions I am referring to have been asked primarily by other players but I’d also like to see those questions answered. If you can’t be bothered to reread to find those questions then I will make a list of them tomorrow.

It’s time you stopped ignoring the wagon that’s forming against you and start explaining your actions and your ignorance.

ID be happy to address those points, if they EXISTED!

i would be happy to answer questions, if you ASKED THEM

[UC Voyager]

So why the switch from Deas? Are you no longer scumreading Deas or do you just think Mutant is more likely to be scum?

Where do you stand on Transcend right now?

im not sure what to think of transcend. He is super scummy, but that isn't unusual for him

You said he was 'obvscum' not long ago - what changed?

he is still really scummy, but i just iso him. i didn't consider the gap between the posts which changes things. i still think he is scum

[UC Voyager]

So why the switch from Deas? Are you no longer scumreading Deas or do you just think Mutant is more likely to be scum?

Where do you stand on Transcend right now?

im not sure what to think of transcend. He is super scummy, but that isn't unusual for him

You said he was 'obvscum' not long ago - what changed?

he is still really scummy, but i just iso him. i didn't consider the gap between the posts which changes things. i still think he is scum

oh. i was thinking of DV. : p


I think transcend could be scum, but his "trying to attract the NK" made since!

[UC Voyager]

Just generally regarding UCV, I’m leaning town. I’m trying to avoid bias based on his read of me, which I felt was pretty bad, but there was a pretty clear lack of trying to look good when he was questioned about it.

So despite UCV's bad case on you, you're leaning Town on him based on this post?

DeasVail
How did i missread your posts. It seems to me Like they meant something different then you say they do. if you could explain that to me

somebody once told me "someone agreeing with you doesn't mean they are the same alignment as you, and someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are the other alignment!" -AcidPhoenix. (not the exact wording, but it is still true!)
study the quote carefully

[UC Voyager]

lets not meta read. thanks

and that isn't true. i have been in about 9-11ish games. you have been in 3 of those. 1 of those i was scum. the other 2 i was PR. Stop treating me like a fucking noob. it gets annoying. Do you know how many times i see "UCV is scummy as town". idk how the fuck i am because i always seem to do fine at finding at least one scum. I didn't win the one scum game off "being scummy as town". i actually played. now you are being an asshole about it. you don't even know shit about my town play that is changing

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mandela effect, i was not playing my normal meta. why? because i was pissed off at the fact i was a PR and everyone seemed to be out to get me there. I played hella differently. the other game i was in with you, you replaced out early, i made it to day four, then was NKed. i was conf town most of that game. I am sick of your "he is scummy as both alignments" to say im scum. it is shitty reasoning. You act like you know shit about my meta.

I dont mean to go off on you, but I think you need to shut the fuck up about "he is scummy as both alignments", and make a real fucking case. thank you

[UC Voyager]

You're continuously mislynched as Town, and the only reason you survived in that scum game was because people know you're always mislynched as Town and put your scumminess down to poor Town play.

I'm not having a go at you, I'm just stating a fact: whether you like it or not, you are scummy as both alignments - hence why I don't want to point out all the scummy shit you've done this game (there's a lot of it) as it can all be dismissed with

"but he's scummy as Town also"

. I'm looking deeper, at the intricacies between your scum and Town play, and I believe this is your scum game. Nothing so far has lead me to believe otherwise.

FUCKING SHIT

no. what fucking went down day 2 is that they started to realize there was no resistance to my wagon, so unless the scum team with me/plot or me/peaches, i wasn't scum. day four, me and Thor bussed, so end game, Toto thought the scum team was either me, nsg or thor, Luca, so he asked you to move your vote to NSG, then i quick hammered. the fact im scummy a lot was a discussion, not reasoning.


if there is so much scummy stuff i have done, point it out!!!! i don't know why you havn't all ready god damnit. you don't know shit about my scum play. considering i have only been scum twice, and in both of my scum games, i have played differently!

look here
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73733
here. i played more lurky. i stayed away from the major wagon, and did some statistics talk. I was not on the lynching wagon

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73448
here, i desperately defended myself against the people trying to lynch me, then did some serious band wagon and lolhammered twice!

hmm where are some town games where i wasn't scum read
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73520
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73654 (i was a little here, but there was never much of a wagon on me. I actually endgamed here)

town games where i was scum read a little, but not a ton
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73370 (i was scum read at first and had something of a wagon. day four, I was only scum read by the scum team!)


Luca, despite the fact you havn't been that scummy in this game, im hoping you are scum and not just a jerk. This is getting annoying!

[UC Voyager]

what do you mean. i try harder here. I AM NOT! im putting an equal effort.

[UC Voyager]

So @UCV, here is my list of all the times you have failed to answer a question, not answered a question adequately or been ignorant to calls against you. Sorry about this wall but I think that just reflects how your play has been:



913 - At the top of my post I asked you a question. The second one was, of course, rhetorical but I would have liked an answer to the first question. Overall, you didn't really react to my post here at all.

945 - Boring asked who you were leaning town on based on your initial read of the thread. You never replied. Your next post after this simply promised thoughts on DV which didn't address either my nor boring's questions.

948 - I reinforce the idea I want you to answer my question in 913 yet you continue to ignore it.

970 - fishy votes for you and says your attack on DV was bad. You made no attempts to justify your attack on DV after this and you claim fishy's vote on you was a random jump. This is blatantly ignoring how someone is seeing scum within you.

993 - fishy makes a proper case against you and calls you out as scum. He made several points in this post which you chose not to address for a while. Furthermore, at the bottom of the post, he asks you a question based on something you wrote in post 968. You have yet to answer this question and clear the confusion with the point you were making there.

994 - Luca says he agrees with fishy which clearly shows there is some support against you. You completely ignored this additional pressure.

1001 - Luca asks if you are going to answer fishy's case against you and in post 1003 you straight up tell us you are not. So you are purposely avoiding any pressure put on you with the excuse it doesn't help you scum hunt which is such a bs point to make.

1005 - You make a complete u-turn on your stance of not answering fishy. But instead of addressing each of his points you simply ask a few questions to reject the points made against you. I do not feel you answered fishy, you just tried to make it seem like you did. If that was genuinely your defence against him then it is a very poor defence and does no one any favours.

1012 - fishy points out your response wasn't good enough and asks you to answer each point he makes individual which you have not done. He then asks if you read the boring vote in context which you also have not replied to.

1014 - Deas asks you to elaborate on your read on him by explaining the inaccuracies within it. You do not answer.

1025 - You completely ignore everything that has happened beforehand here to take a weak shot at Ectomancer. You make no reference to any of the mounting pressure on you and seem oblivious to everyone's points against you.

In posts 1038 and 1040 you are purposely ambiguous over what I am doing to raise alarm bells for you despite Transcend's call for you to elaborate. 1040 was hardly an elaboration as you briefly state 1 new thing followed by a reiteration of your previous post.

1059 - Luca votes for you which you seemingly do not care for and you choose to ignore.

1068 - I call you out for a 2nd time for not answering my question in 913. I also make reference to how you inadequately answered fishy's concerns. Finally, I directly call you scum in this read and state how I intend for there to be a wagon upon you. You make no attempts to address any of this reiteration.

1069 - At the top of this post I make a statement of how you could be in a scum team with boring and kelbris. Not one of you three have addressed this thought and it makes me wonder why you'd choose to ignore it. Boring even quoted the rest of what I was saying in that post so she purposely left out the part where I call the 3 of you out. Would you like to address your relationship with boring and kelbris now?

1077 - You claim there is barely a case on you yet both fishy and Luca are voting for you. Furthermore, I had put forth and interest in voting for you as well as generally being against you. Finally, DV had also questioned you to some extent. If all of that is "barely a case" then it must take the entire town to be against someone before you think they are being opposed.

1082 - Luca asks you 3 questions here. You only answered 2 of them. You are still yet to answer whether you think myself or DV are more likely to be scum.

1088 - I asked you about whether you are reading in context which you have not answered. It is still unclear now if you have read things in context. I also mention how you had not answered my original question for the 3rd time as well as reference how you haven't been answering other people's questions as well.

1091 - Luca aks you what made you change your thoughts on Transcend. You ignored this question for quite some time.

1096 - I vote for you, which you also ignore. Would you still consider being halfway towards a lynch as barely a case?

1103 - I make a detailed post as a defence against the points you made against me. This is the kind of thing you should have done when fishy called you out. Furthermore, if you are genuinely trying to push for a wagon on me like you suggest later then surely you would respond to my defence by addressing each point I make? So are you serious about trying to lynch me or what?

1109 - You answered fishy's question in 1108 basically immediately whilst ignoring the huge post I made about you and the other concerns players have such as why your view on Transcend had changed.

1111 - You get angry with me because apparently I had never asked you any questions. Not only have I asked you many questions but I've also stated you're not answering other's questions. You claimed you looked through my posts and couldn't find anything which makes me doubt this claim since I mentioned that you hadn't answered a question 3 times; 4 if you include the question itself. Furthermore, this post makes it clear that you've acknowledged my calls to answer questions but have ignored them every time. Even if you didn't know what questions I was referring to you have had at least 3 opportunities to inquire as to what I meant. But instead you maintain ignorance against most of the posts that call you out.

1117 - You finally answer Luca's question in post 1091, at least, it appears that way. You stated in the next post that you were actually thinking of DV so that invalidates your explanation of why your Transcend vote changed. You then stated your reason for the change which was kinda strange if you ask me. You stated the change was because his reason of trying to attract the night kill made sense to you but his alleged motive of trying to attract the night kill would have been something you would have read before you gave the initial read on him if you truly did read the thread as you claim.

1156 - You ask us not to meta read you. Why, is there something in your meta you have to hide? Meta is a good way of scum telling players if their general play style is consistent. At least you have started to address concerns against you in this post and post 1158 but the way you are doing so is coming across as aggressively anti-town and as though you feel backed into a corner. Besides, you still have a lot more to answer to.



That's 25 points against you. Do you see why both myself and others see you as scummy? I expect you to adequately answer everything I have brought up here. If you feel like that's too much to answer all at once then you should have been answering these concerns as the game has gone on. I doubt you're going to answer much of this though since you never do.

for the 1,000,062ed time, i will answer a question WHEN I SEE THEM!

I have not seen a question from you I havn't all ready answered. do you need me to iso you and quote all your posts to show you this?

[UC Voyager]

im looking over, and your response to my case on DV makes me rethink a lot! I reread and im less confidante in scum!DV
UNVOTE: DV

[UC Voyager]

I'm sorry everyone, but I'm just crazy tinfoiling Fishy. I've been trying to trust my gut more, and I can't get him out of my head.

VOTE: Fishythefish

gut reads dont usually work. just personal experience with them

Meta reads are trash. meta reads is one way i got myself so far as scum. the issue with met reads i scum will try to replicate their town play. therefore, people will see your town meta when your playing s a scum.

[UC Voyager]

DV, but im thinking about mutant. though i plan on rereading the entire thread and iso a few players

UNVOTE:

[UC Voyager]

v/la today and tomorrow

[UC Voyager]

This will be my first time flipping scum.

Congrats town. You got one.

I should have known Luca was going to death tunnel me. Tbh, his case was bad.

Though the scum team will probably win.

Luca, I was doing a very good representation of Mandela effect. I am sure you would have gone after me if I were town. Luckily for the town, I wasn't.

GO SCUM TEAM

[UC Voyager]

From my experience even if they're scum they normally still pretend they're Town anyway until the flip.

How would you know? This is my first time being lynched as scum

[UC Voyager]

Hmmmm.
It would be hard since I'm mobile. Plus, how would that help me.

[UC Voyager]

I honestly don't know where I went wrong to. One sec, I was fine. The next, bam. Luca was lucky I was scum. Because he was going to target me no matter what alignment I was. He is probably still mad because of the one game.

[UC Voyager]

He was. Do you think my partners wouldn't bus from early on though. It was very apparent I was going to be death tunneled.

[UC Voyager]

I was not really beyond saving either. If i wasn't vla, I could have pushed my way out of the situation.

[UC Voyager]

UCV for me where you went wrong was not answering questions and ignoring any conflict directed towards you. If I was to give feedback on your scum game it would be to reply to more posts that address you directly.

Lol. What questions. I would have answered them. But I looked hard for them. I could not find them. I put a lot of effort into my scum games. I would have found them

[UC Voyager]

Transcend just needs to be insta-lynched Tomorrow regardless, or vig-killed preferably.

I will confirm there isn't a vig. Do you think the scum team would have given the town a vig?

[UC Voyager]

I love the dumbtell

[UC Voyager]

Though I never intend to play with Luca again. This game was bullshit. I really wish I was town just so he could be smacked in the face for lynching me.

Mutant: if you would have pointed those out to me when i wasn't hammered, I would have answered.

[UC Voyager]

So is the other PR the tracker or the cop?


Btw, if you are the cop, once you use your investigation you should role claim. This will basically make you and the person you checked innocent children just not confirmed as such. Unless of course the person you checked was scum, then we lynch them and you get 100% town confirmed.

Classified.

Props on the dumbtell

[UC Voyager]

Also consider I was vla this past day or so.

[UC Voyager]

I assume dumbtell is the term used for when you make it seem like you don't know something that you actually do?

In this example, you're saying that my questioning of you is pretending that I don't know the answers because you're calling me out as scum.

Well that would make you obv town. In just keeping things interesting. I did some bussing today. Just fyi.

[UC Voyager]

Should I continue to bus. Mabye it will dig scum Even DEEPER.

[UC Voyager]

I honestly should have claimed PR so they out themself.

[UC Voyager]

Ehh, I guess. But they could have been bussing.

I'm not so sure though since Transcend needlessly almost got boring lynched several times. I don't think Transcend would be selfish enough to sacrifice his own teammate just to make himself look town; wouldn't surprise me though.

I guess the fact that Elmo quit because of Transcend also means that they couldn't have been on the same team.

So okay yeah, I'm willing to consider boring conf town at this point.

Good point. Tbh, I was going to die either way today so should have claimed as I went on vla.

[UC Voyager]

UC, your play was scummy dude, it wasn't just Luca. I read through your scum game at the insistence of Luca... I was trying to find something that could have pointed toward you as town... I couldn't lol which was when I decided to change course.

no, I played Mandela effect play. bad move on my part because i was hella scum read in that game. I was trying to appeal to Luca's meta read on me. saddly, Even if i was the towniest of towns, he was going to go for me. i could be IC confirmed by the mod and he would have gone for me.

met reading is terrible btw, it gets townies lynched all of the time!

[UC Voyager]

holy shit. good job town. i am truly impressed