Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Almost50]

/confirm

[Almost50]

VOTE: RedFlavor

They fled the last game and left us wandering in the darkness. It's payback time.

[Almost50]

VOTE: RedFlavor

They fled the last game and left us wandering in the darkness. It's payback time.

I don't remember that game but it is probably howl or magic girls
VOTE: almost50

The latter.

[Almost50]

@Kop: Likewise, mate

[Almost50]

How does Almost50 look town, what does town look like? He's made one RVS vote, and one filler post. How does that make him look town?

Hush-sh-sh-sh. I'm Masons with Mathdino. Don't tell scum about it.

But seriously, I think I know where he got his Town Lean on me, but I'll wait for him to explain if he wants to.

[Almost50]

A50: Town off gut. His random vote seems pretty natural and not the kind of hostile thing scum would go for early on.

Thank you. That's exactly what I thought your explanation would be like (within the limits of the rules).

[Almost50]

@Almost50:

Where the fuck do you think I got my town lean on you?

EXACTLY what you said. Even more precisely; the

reasoning

I put for my RVS vote on Redflavor.

[Almost50]

Aware? Yes.
Null? Absolutely NOT. Not unless you think my sole goal is to get TR'd by YOU specifically, bc nobody else would ever give a TR based on THAT.

[Almost50]

In short: You are CORRECT in your TR on me, but the reason itself is somewhat not reliable (rake that as a reference for future games), as I usually do have some cute reason to vote someone in RVS. I just made an enlightened guess as to why you would be TRing me this early and O happened to be spot on.

P.S. If you want me to be totally unreadable to you just say so. I could do that you know.

[Almost50]

Happy New Year, Everyone.

@Jay: Please pay more attention.

1- My vote on Redflavor has nothing to do with my alignment to ANYONE.. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF Mathdino. You might as well disregard that vote AND the subsequent back and forth regarding it between myself and Mathdino. It should be totally NAI to you.

2- Everyone who played with me before knows I can change my play style easily to become totally unreadable. Whether I want to appear Townie/Scummy/Unreadable has absolutely nothing with my alignment, but rather with (a) my ROLE and (b) my psychological state at the time.

You don't play PGO the same way you play Hider/Commuter. I can be SUPER Town as Hider/Commuter because there's no risk in TPRs targeting me anyway (talking about the Doctor) and the investigative roles won't bother because I saved them the trouble. Mafia will try to shoot me early and will miss. Towning it up as a PGO though does have the dangerous side effect of me killing the Town Doctor by mistake, so I'd have to find another way around that so I can draw the Mafia NK while discouraging the Doctor from protecting me.

I hope you now understand what I mean when I say I can be unreadable if I want to.

[Almost50]

Also if it's only relevant to Mathdino are you saying it's correlated to his alignment?

Not really, although the back and forth between us leads me to believe he is Town because he would not have paid this much attention to such a tiny detail if he was Scum. (and that's as much as I'm allowed to say w/o breaking any rules, so there's another hint)

[Almost50]

@Mathdino: Yes. momo's play style is usually this scummy. Check his play in this game for an example (he was a Town Neapolitan)

[Almost50]

What's up humans?

This is Finn's entire ISO! Assemble also posted once, but -at least- he said something game-related.

Let me lead by example

VOTE: BigFinn

[Almost50]

So? Either he comes in and plays or he gets replaced and we move on.

[Almost50]

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

momo TRs me for 2 reasons, the first of which is I acknowledged his play is usually scummy as Town and even provided reference, so -to him- I must be Town bc I did not capitalize on the fact he is lynch-bait.

The second reason I'd rather not go into, but I'd say it was a false assumption on his part.

So, both momo and Mathdino are correctly TRing me but for the wrong reasons.

[Almost50]

It's too early in the day for me to give up on my own reads and sheep you, Mathdino. Would you care to restate the case on Redflavor?

I'm currently working by PoE, and granted there are also mixed reads, but I have no reads on Finn, Kop, Fitz, Una & Creature, so I need them all to speak more.

[Almost50]

Unas town so there's 1/5 of your nulls solved

If this is true then I'm happy lynching any of the other 4 (assuming 3 Mafia + 1 SK).

I know I'm probably TRing one scumster (Scum to me = anti-town, not just group scum), but the chances are higher of hitting a baddie in these 4 still, as I believe Scum would be less motivated to be active during the holidays (it's a good excuse for low activity).

[Almost50]

VOTE: Redflavor

This is probably going to bite me in the rear, but I'm willing to test Mathdino's case on Redflavor.

[Almost50]

If I were the hider, I would hide behind Creature.

[Almost50]

Why do you feel this way? If your feeling that, surely you won't sheep?

I was sheeping my 2 strongest TRs though, as I had no better options myself. (I do now, but I won't be moving my vote just yet).

[Almost50]

List of hypo-targets so far:

momo @ Jay
Creature @ Hawk
RedFlavor @ BigFinn
BigFinn -----------------
Assemblerotws @ UnaBombaH
Kop @ Almost50
Almost50 @ Creature
UnaBombaH @ Mathdino
Hawk @ Kop
havingfitz --------------
Impede ------------------
Mathdino @ havingfitz
JaydragonKing @ NOONE

[Almost50]

Yaaay! I'm being suspected by Fitz, He must be TOWN!

[Almost50]

@Math: From the looks of it, this game is going to be heavily reliant on night action. There's not much to go by -so far- by day play and anyone could be scum or town, tbh. Which brings me to a point I didn't want to bring before (because it might result in a flame war):

If we're policy lynching, and if you agree the game is more reliant on night action, I'd rather lynch Creature today.

My one and only modded game featured Creature as the N1 Cop, and he didn't bother submitting a target for his ONE SHOT COP on N1, so he's going to be useless both by day and by night, regardless of his alignment.

If we have a better lynch though I'm all for it. If not, that's where I'd be lynching.

[Almost50]

I'm just not very inspired rn and you can see this is sitewide.

I rest my case.

[Almost50]

Almost50

,

momo

and

creature

are scumteam

1 in 3 rule. Calling our Red, Creature & Una for the Scum team.

[Almost50]

And it's damn too funny to call me scum with the guy I'm advocating a policy lynch on.

[Almost50]

Almost50

,

momo

and

creature

are scumteam

1 in 3 rule. Calling our Red, Creature & Una for the Scum team.

Where did I go from policy lynch to scumread?

I never said you were a TR?!! I just don't have a solid case on you because you're not even playing the game, so pushing it as a PL was much easier and more convenient. The fact id I do not PL my TRs. Only my nulls and SRs.

Now if I'm wrong and you are Town you need to show me something townie. Either convince me you're Town or bring a case on someone more scummy.

[Almost50]

They look more like VIs and easy mislynches for me.

Listen to you. You're making no cases, no effort to sort anyone. You're not voting, and you're defending whoever the majority thinks maybe good lynches w/o giving any rational reason for it nor providing an alternative.

Now I acknowledge I have seen you do this as Town too, but I'm not even getting that sinking feeling you're Town here.

Like why do you think I picked YOU as my hypothetical target if I was Hider?

[Almost50]

@Kop: Regarding the 3rd paragraph in #322, the idea was/is not for the Hider to claim. The idea is id they DIE over night we would know who they targeted and if that person isn't also dead there's a great chance they're scum.

[Almost50]

They look more like VIs and easy mislynches for me.

Listen to you. You're making no cases, no effort to sort anyone. You're not voting, and you're defending whoever the majority thinks maybe good lynches w/o giving any rational reason for it nor providing an alternative.

Now I acknowledge I have seen you do this as Town too, but I'm not even getting that sinking feeling you're Town here.

Like why do you think I picked YOU as my hypothetical target if I was Hider?

This is wolfy. I could see this being town trying to pressure a scumread, but it comes off as contrived.

You know what? I've just sneezed AND coughed. I bet "now you could see it being Town catching a cold", but it would still comes off as scummy sneezing/coughing to you. Right? Right!

[Almost50]

They look more like VIs and easy mislynches for me.

Listen to you. You're making no cases, no effort to sort anyone. You're not voting, and you're defending whoever the majority thinks maybe good lynches w/o giving any rational reason for it nor providing an alternative.

Now I acknowledge I have seen you do this as Town too, but I'm not even getting that sinking feeling you're Town here.

Like why do you think I picked YOU as my hypothetical target if I was Hider?

This is wolfy. I could see this being town trying to pressure a scumread, but it comes off as contrived.

You know what? I've just sneezed AND coughed. I bet "now you could see it being Town catching a cold", but it would still comes off as scummy sneezing/coughing to you. Right? Right!

I didn't hear you sneeze and cough, so it's hard to say. I do hear a lot of "woof woof" though.

OK, let's play. You acknowledge 311 could be "town trying to pressure a scumread", yet you say it comes off as "contrived". Why? What points to it being deliberately manufactured rather than a natural/spontaneous response?

Hint: "Gut" is not an acceptable answer. You're already deep in with your conf!bias mode, so every gut feeling you have is simply due your presumption I will flip Scum. I want an answer that does NOT take into account any presumptions, but rather objectively addressing the content of said post. Thank you.

[Almost50]

as you could have put him in the hotseat and forced him to be accountable for his lack of content without being opportunistically aggressive

How? Tell me how I could've better phrased my thoughts?

And you do realize I picked Creature for my hypo-Hider target LONG before all this, right?

You also realize he asked me when he became a SR rather than a PL for me more recently than when I did pick him for a target, yes?

But these are rhetorical questions, so let's go back to the one I do want you to answer, if you will. How do you propose I should've phrased my thoughts without being "opportunistically aggressive"?

Thanks in advance

[Almost50]

doctor/jailkeeper/whatever protective or bus driving role there is on me

If you're asking for the JK to protect you then you are no PR, and if you're no PR you're not worth the protection (nor the scum NK).

Let's leave it at that. I just wanted to point out something I thought was funny (and too obvious to missed by Scum, so

if there's a protective

they're better off targeting someone else).

@Impede: ^^ Scum post (mine, that is). Why would Town point out who is NOT a PR??

[Almost50]

Truly Town members: MathDino, Kop, Momo, Almost50.
Scum members: Impede and Creature.

So..uh..my top two scumreads, and the one gut-read associative I have with them are in your townblock..

Obviously they're a MUCH better player than you are. That or you're just outright SCUM (and I'm still leaning the latter).

[Almost50]

Tell me class, which faction lies when questioned, scum or town?

Are you asking in general or are you asking about ME?

[Almost50]

If I were the hider, I would hide behind Creature.

You scumread Creature at this point A50? Is that why you chose him as your target?

Obviously! He was not contributing much back then, and is still doing zilch now!

[Almost50]

And I was only 3rd (if I recall correct) to state my hypo-target, so I literally had 80% of the playerlist up for grabs.

[Almost50]

@momo: Jay is very likely Town to me. They're just being stubborn and overly confrontational (which is annoying somewhat, but is most certainly a TOWN trait). I also liked their reads, so I'm not really feeling scum!Jay here.

Instead, I invite you to check this out:

Wow what a snoozefest. All the theory talk isn't game-advancing at all. I know Math is posting up a readslist, so I'll do the same. This is mostly gut off of reading the past 2-3 pages.

Momo, Jay
Math, A50

Kop, Hawk

Una, Fitz
-

Everyone else is

null

for lack of content.

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

These quotes are only just over 6 hours apart.

From then on he starts throwing shade on me for everything I say, pushes Jay (and votes him), shades Mathdino, agrees with Una while actively maintaining a SR on him, but never votes him, and totally ignores the discussion when I ask him how he would have had me phrase my thoughts (about Creature) w/o them sounding "overly aggressive" to him.

THIS IS SCUM. Una IS his partner. It's painfully obvious I am astonished others can't see the link. At least Jay agrees Impede is Scum, and both their readlists (they posted two versions) and their progression feel like Town reads/progression, plus -a I said earlier- they're being too confrontational I can hardly see them flipping Scum (only a few select players are that bold as Scum).

So, if Redflavor isn't promising I'm switching to Impede, because Dino obviously won't let me lynch Una first. I'm good with either Una/Impede (and YES, even before Red whom I'd be reevaluating my read on if I'm still alive by tomorrow).

VOTE: Impede

P-edit: I was just thinking to myself the nex vote on Jay would come from Scum. I never saw it to be from Assemble though.

[Almost50]

Also, @those who hard TR momo, I'd be careful with that. I dunno if he is really that shallow or if he scum slipped multiple times, and I pointed it out "mildly" but nobody saw it, it seems.

momo asked for the protectives to be targeting him if Jay flipped Scum. Granted the condition is unlikely to be true from where I stand, but what I'm interested in is he mentioned both he JK and the Bus Driver.

Oh and btw, after this post, if Jay does flip scum, I am a likely NK so if jay flips scum, doctor/jailkeeper/whatever protective or bus driving role there is on me

First, if he is asking to be JK'd he definitely has no night action or has one he doesn't intend to use. That's definitely not the Tracker nor is it the Doctor/JK. It isn't the Hider and if he was Commuter he would've used that instead. He is also not a Vig, Role Cop nor a Gunsmith.

That only leaves the Vengeful, and Vengeful never seeks to be overly TR'd as their main objective is to get lynched and kill someone they SR. (Note that bthis is from the guy who claims to be the biggest lynchbait on the site, so Vengeful should REALLY be easy for him, AND no Scum would want to shoot a self-claimed lynchbait anyway).

That leaves us with momo as a VT. Now why would a VT ask for protection??

Never mind.

Another point is the Mafia JOAT has a STRONGMAN SHOT, so even assuming momo was a VT who is more interested in his own survival over TPRs it still doesn't work, and for someone who sets tricks for others about the setup I don't see him not noticing the Mafia JOAT had a Strongman kill. (Not to mention the SK has the option to choose between being 1-shot BP OR Ninja AND Strongman)

OK.. now let's talk about the Bus Driver! The ONLY Bus Driver I see is a MAFIA 1-shot Driver, and -AGAIN- I don't see momo missing that "little" detail. Now why would any Townie expect the MAFIA BUS DRIVER to help them out if they lynch MAFIA?? Does it makes any sense to you all??

The more I think about it the more I feel like momo has been baiting the protective roles (if any) to be on him so his team's shot on their target would go through w/o the need of using their Strongman Shot (if existent) or maybe because they don't have one to begin with. (I'm leaning the former though, because I would have saved my strongman shot to use closer to LyLo/MyLo if I was Scum).

Either way, with their target left unprotected the only way(s) the NK fails is if they target the SK (assuming they picked 1-shot BP), the 1-shot Commuter (if applicable) or the Hider.

To elaborate, both the SK/Commuter CAN be shot the next night, while the Hider they already know who everyone is targeting IF they were the Hider, so 3 people will be cleared from being Hiders (or maybe one will die already?? Who knows?)

What I'm proposing is Mafia have a BUS DRIVER and very likely a JOAT (That is TT, T, or 0Ts), but that doesn't help much TODAY, so let's keep it for later.

FoS momo and DEFINITELY don't want Jay lynched. I don't even know what to think of Mathdino if momo flips Scum at any point, as Dino's plan could still have come from sincere Town perspective or could've been inspired by Scum trying to detect a Hider if there was one.

P.S> There goes my own Town!Block out the window. Good job, myself!

[Almost50]

a50, is there anything you dont like about assemble's vote besides that it was the next vote

The fact he wasn't even active in the game before he popped out to vote?

[Almost50]

VOTE: red
i'll read the impede case later

GDI! Did EVERYBODY roll Scum in this game or are you all nuts? Is this a practical joke? Am I on candid camera? Why is everybody acting as scummy as they ever could?

To explain: Both myself and Dino were on Red for ages. You waited till we BOTH switched of him to vote there??? Really??? Only NOW does Red feel Scummy to you???

[Almost50]

The hell? Why would you hardclaim now. Sigh.

Because everyone was too blind to see a CLEAR CRUMB in #44, maybe?

Now I don't know if you're Town or Scum anymore. EVERYONE is acting up like they're being deliberately scummy (maybe the setup had KKKK and we actually have TWO VENGEFUL roles??).

Since we're all playing like shit (me included) I'd also like to draw your attention my #138 cpuld be interpreted as a cumb for Hider.

NOT GOING TO CONFIRM OR DENY IT

, but that's when Una started pushing me, so I figured he wanted to lynch someone he may not be able to shoot. That is also why I initially said I know why momo TR'd me

based on a false assumption

, as I didn't (and still don't) wish to confirm or deny me being Hider/1-shot Commuter.

Let's all be stupid. That's just fine by me. Let the Tracker/Role Cop/Doctor/JK claim too (if any or even all exist). That's be fun.

[Almost50]

3. The fact that you exist makes it more likely there's a Mafia JOAT who'll roleblock you. So if you get RB'd, and you're still alive, you'll get another chance to shoot on N2. If you haven't shot by then, we're obviously lynching you.

Not while I'm still alive. I'm not lynching a Vig who practically soft-claimed on page TWO!

[Almost50]

a50 can i have a tldr

tldr.

There you go.

But seriously, almost everyone in this game is bloody scummy beyond limits it wouldn't surprise me if they flipped scum (and by "they" I mean JUST ABOUT ANYONE BUT JAY)

[Almost50]

That leaves us with momo as a VT. Now why would a VT ask for protection??

'Cause at that moment I thought I had the game cracked open and scum would like to lynch a player like that....why would I ask for protection instead of a powerrole..call me selfish but I like to play and stay alive, enjoying this game and don't wanna die

That's probably honest, and is as .. erm.. naive as your play usually is. It is most anti-town though. You should always let the PRs do their own thing UNLESS there is a REAL NEED to draw their attention to something. *Sigh*

P.S. On a more personal note, I do NOT wish to hurt your feelings. I really think you're a nice person, so any harsh comments should only be perceived within the game context and only apply to this thread.

P-edit: Impossible my "back side". Check the wink page of the setup, under killing roles .. KKKK: Vengeful, Vengeful, Vigilante, Vigilante, unless you ALSO want to join the stupid party and claim something yourself.

[Almost50]

*WIKI page

[Almost50]

Can you respond to my 438?

No. I have the right to act as scummy as anyone else, so that it's a fair competition.

[Almost50]

If Una thought you were hider, wouldn't he just shoot the person you claim you're gonna hide behind, rather than try to solo a wagon on you?

What if that person is scum with Una? Would you let the hider die by targeting your Scum p or would you rather lynch him and "close the circle" with someone else? (Someone who would definitely NOT be a Hider bc -unlike the Vengeful- there can only be ONE Hider in this game).

[Almost50]

Bonus if you want to include your top 3 town reads/leans as well.

That would be giving scum a road map on whom to shoot, since almost everybody looks lynchable as of now, so I'd rather not give any TRs at this time.

Honestly, my TOP SR is still UnaBombaH. I just can't get over my initial read on him and he's not helping me improve that read at all.

It is hard to see who's scummier than whom elsewhere. I mean, I could say Creature, but that's probably me conf!biased. Fitz posp to say Townie things then disappears like a sea lion popping up to take a breath before they dive back in the big blue ocean. Kop could also be included, but I forgot how he plays in general (it's been a really long while since we last played together).

Probably SRing Redflavor more than I do Impede now, but it doesn't mean I TR Impede either.

Shall I go on??

[Almost50]

Forgo to add Assembler for his awkward vote on Jay. Probably me 2nd strongest SR after Una.

[Almost50]

ugh VOTE: Creature

What is happening to me

I can do that.

VOTE: Creature

[Almost50]

The RedFlavor wagon seems to have lost all momentum, even in my mind. Seems like there's always a better fad.

What do you make out of RedFlavor wagon losing steam?

What do YOU make of that?

[Almost50]

The RedFlavor wagon seems to have lost all momentum, even in my mind. Seems like there's always a better fad.

What do you make out of RedFlavor wagon losing steam?

What do YOU make of that?

I feel like the current wagons are just pretty malleable (everybody seems fine with any).

Again, that's totally non-committal. Let me help you:

1- Do you think Red is Town or Scum?
2- When you say "current wagons" which wagons do you refer to? (list the players names, please)
3- According to you, you have been working by PoE. Who do you still have in your lynch pool after removing your Town leans?

[Almost50]

1- Do you think Red is Town or Scum?

Not townleaning him anymore. Though, not very sure on him being scum.

2- When you say "current wagons" which wagons do you refer to? (list the players names, please)

Assemble, Redflavor and me.

3- According to you, you have been working by PoE. Who do you still have in your lynch pool after removing your Town leans?

I agree with the townblock besides Hawk, so that leaves RedFlavor, Assemble, Kop, you, UnaBombaH and Impede. I'd probably remove Impede by myself.

So, Assemble and Redflavour are in your lynch pool, but you think the wagons on them are pretty malleable?
Also, Assemble isn't even in the leading 3 wagons. Impede is. There are 3 quotes of the most recent VC within the very page you're posting in. Just a FYI.

I'm also happy to remove Impede and add Hawk to your lynch pool, so that's 6 players (one of which you called a VI and a mislynch earlier, bu I'll accept a change in reads too).

Now: Why are you not voting any of your 6 lynch candidates?

[Almost50]

please stop quote walling and pagetopping thanks

That is totally ineffective. If you want to have the maximum effect you should seize the next page top yourself with a HUGE wall quote, and have that exact statement/request below it as your only comment.

[Almost50]

Sheep are you an alt?

If so, of who

Don't go there or you might be asked the same.

[Almost50]

1. The whole point of .... etc.

3. You know how I play . Let me do my thing.

For someone who goes by

Mathdino

I think you really suck with COUNTING!

[Almost50]

no walls pls

Don' listen to them folks. MORE walls please (also some memes of you will).

[Almost50]

While you're here, I need another opinion on Impede.

Did I not give one already? Let me refresh your memory:

Spoiler:

@momo: Jay is very likely Town to me. They're just being stubborn and overly confrontational (which is annoying somewhat, but is most certainly a TOWN trait). I also liked their reads, so I'm not really feeling scum!Jay here.

Instead, I invite you to check this out:

Wow what a snoozefest. All the theory talk isn't game-advancing at all. I know Math is posting up a readslist, so I'll do the same. This is mostly gut off of reading the past 2-3 pages.

Momo, Jay
Math, A50

Kop, Hawk

Una, Fitz
-

Everyone else is

null

for lack of content.

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

These quotes are only just over 6 hours apart.

From then on he starts throwing shade on me for everything I say, pushes Jay (and votes him), shades Mathdino, agrees with Una while actively maintaining a SR on him, but never votes him, and totally ignores the discussion when I ask him how he would have had me phrase my thoughts (about Creature) w/o them sounding "overly aggressive" to him.

THIS IS SCUM. Una IS his partner. It's painfully obvious I am astonished others can't see the link. At least Jay agrees Impede is Scum, and both their readlists (they posted two versions) and their progression feel like Town reads/progression, plus -a I said earlier- they're being too confrontational I can hardly see them flipping Scum (only a few select players are that bold as Scum).

So, if Redflavor isn't promising I'm switching to Impede, because Dino obviously won't let me lynch Una first. I'm good with either Una/Impede (and YES, even before Red whom I'd be reevaluating my read on if I'm still alive by tomorrow).

VOTE: Impede

P-edit: I was just thinking to myself the nex vote on Jay would come from Scum. I never saw it to be from Assemble though.

[Almost50]

Give me something modern.

It's funny you should ask someone who's only 5 month away from celebrating his Golden Jubilee for something "modern" Mate, I was born over 13 months before Neil Armstrong even set foot on the Moon.

But seriously, I'm OK lynching Impede or Creature... OR UNABOMBaH! (Yes, I'm THAT stubborn)

[Almost50]

Reading someone's tone is one of my weaknesses. I rely more on analysis, associations, setup spec, VCA .. etc.

Like, I could do an ISO, but most of it WILL sound forced. Like, in #74 when he blatantly accuses Jay of being SK, then follows the revelation with "Game solved". Why would TOWN consider the game solved after lynching the SK?

But let's just say that was a joke, and let's also say it was a coincidence his RVS landed on none other than Una.

Now even ignoring the link between Impede on Una I still don't see how he got from 152 to disliking momo's TR on me in 161 (if you're confident momo's Town, why is it odd fro momo to be confident in his TR on someone you already had a Town lean on?)

In 171[//post] Impeded restates his scum lean on Una (See [post]152 for the first incident) yet never once did he vote or even try to interact with Una. (same applies to Impede on Fitz, btw).

In 274 he ONCE AGAIN says Una is likely scum, and STILL NO VOTE AND NO EFFORT TO SORT/PRESSURE Una AT ALL.

Now after having shaded me in 170 for no apparent reason (it's totally NAI.. but it's how SCUM would do it??), Impede agrees with his 3-TIMES A SCUM READ on me being Scum in 286. If this isn't standard distancing between 2 buddies I don't know what is.

The whole BS of accusing you of being fence-sitty on me is him indirectly trying to pressure you into voting me.

NVM, I'll stop righ here. Overall, Impede is being tricky and sly with his posts and votes. He did see Jay's soft-claim (btw, my personal interpretation of a crumb is something that is hard to spot at the time. Jay SOFT CLAIMED. It was too obvious to be called a crumb), and he was pushing there, but he also saw my "possible crumb" and realized lynching a Hider is of higher priority bc they could just shoot the Vig at night.

In general, when someone says "this is NAI.. but Scummy" (!!!!), or "I could see this coming from Town, but it feels like scum" (he did it both to you and me) it does give me the impression this is someone keeping all his options open. If Town is lynched .. "but I said it could come from town". If Scum is lynched .. "I also said it looked like scum".

tldr; Impede is +70% scum to me. The other 30% is him being a really bad player with a problem in his self-confidence (and from what I've seen people say I don't think it the case).

Once flipped, THEN I maybe able to see things better. If he flips Scum I will maintain my SR on Una with enthusiasm. If he flips SK, then we know where the "Jay is SK.. game solved" came from. If he flips Town, I'll just reevaluate my reads and go on, but I certainly won't be taking HIS reads into account after having SR'd both me and Jay.

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Ask me for more if you're interested.

Make a note to take about it tomorrow, maybe?

Again, help me interpret Impede's behaviour RECENTLY, not over half the game ago.

I can't. I admit to being already conf!biased as I think he is very likely scum (and I'm trying not to make it even more a blatant accusation. If I did I would have said "I think he is scum" (omitting he "very likely" bit).

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Okay... If you think Impede is the more informative lynch to you then I'll go there..

VOTE: Impede

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@Dino: Explain Impede's behaviour around Una considering all 4 cases (i.e. TvT, TvS, SvT & SvS). You may even toss in the possibility of Impede flipping SK for your own amusement. More to it: 1- Give enough reason to think Una could be Town if Impede is scum, and 2- why would Town!Impede would act like that towards a suspect.

Notice that I'm not talking about "this is NAI but i scummy" kind of remarks. I'm talking about EXPLICITLY Scum reading someone yet NEVER voting them nor interacting with them AT ALL.

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Impede and Creature are both at L-2

Creature is @L-3, as I was on him before I switched to Impede.

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There is no good way to respond to post 753

Yes there is. PM him with a list of the best XXX sites you know.

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@Jay: Happy Birdthday

Also, you should NOT have claimed a shooting pool. If I was a BusDriver and I had a partner in your pool I'd be switching YOU with them. (What a way for you to go)

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Well they'll have to guess which of the two/three I'm gonna shoot if that's the case. And I'm good at rock-paper-scissors so I think I'll win.

You're missing my point. I said if there was ONE of the three.. they don't care if you shoot the other two, obviously. It would -at least- have the potential of flipping a TPR, and even if not that's one less slot to worry about when they plan for their own shots in the future.

OK.. I'll shut up. Do as you will... it's only a game after all and is supposed to be fun.

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UNVOTE:

Hello

Hello & welcome

The first thing you should know is that we are running a HYPOTHETICAL Hider claim, were every single player has HYPOTHETICALLY claimed Hider and claimed their target for the night. Yours is UnaBombah. This way if we do have a Hider and they die at night we know who they were supposed to hide behind, and if that player isn't dead we know they're Scum.

Feel free to catch up at your own pace.

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Jay is the SK, that’s why he has a survivor wincon. Game solved. Great effort. Let’s go home guys

If any one knows that there is an sk it would be scum, right?

Nope. They can't tell on D1. 2 of the 3 possible Mafia team formation have a 50-50 chance of being accompanied by a Serial Killer each. The third one has a 33.33% of being accompanied with a SK.

TTTTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver
TTTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Serial Killer
TTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT (Roleblock, Ninja Kill, Strongman Kill)
TTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer
TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT
T = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer
0 Ts = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT

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So, both momo and Mathdino are correctly TRing me but for the wrong reasons.

Did that not bother you?

Nope. I could see them TRing me for those exact reasons, which is why I was telling THEM those reasons were not valid.

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And if you live till day 2 and he has important info, he'll hold it back for a 'reaction test'. You gotta confront him to get anything useful out of him.

Tell me about it. (Or DON'T!)

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Intent to hammer Creature

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I feel Creature's readlist is more of a "consensus" of everyone else's reads. His reluctance to actually explicitly SR anyone could point to him being the SK + "would rather not claim" after I sated intent could be ANY scum wanting to buy some time with more flips to decide on a safer fake claim.

In short..

VOTE: Creature

You're officially @L-1. Claim NOW

P-edit: That's an 18 months old game!

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That's an 18 months old game!

but it's the best example I remember.

i.e. You haven't been like this in the past 18 months.. i.e. "in most of my town games" was a blatant lie.

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WELL DONE, BOYS (AND GIRLS)

@Mathdino: YOU ROCK, my friend.