Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Almost50]

If I were the hider, I would hide behind Creature.

You scumread Creature at this point A50? Is that why you chose him as your target?

Obviously! He was not contributing much back then, and is still doing zilch now!

[Almost50]

And I was only 3rd (if I recall correct) to state my hypo-target, so I literally had 80% of the playerlist up for grabs.

[yessiree]

VC 1.14

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

JaydragonKing (4) -

havingfitz, sheepsaysmeep, Impede, momo

RedFlavor (2) -

Almost50, Mathdino

Creature (2) -

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

Impede (1) -

Kop

Not voting

- Assemblerotws, Hawk, Creature

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[momo]

Okay so we need 3 more people for the Jay lynch...

Counting on mathdino so that's two...

pretty sure we can get A50 on this lynch (right A50)

Creature, hawk, would you be willing to be the last vote...

[sheepsaysmeep]

momo's also hopping up on my readlist for me, the questioning jay just isnt faked

[Assemblerotws]

I've legit already made it to LyLo in one complete game already, if you must know, Kop. And that one time I did, I won as scum. I will be a wonderful addition to LyLo.

You should only worry about me when there is NO active suspicion on me. That's when shit seems to be going scums way, regardless of me being scum or not.

Jay, you were a detriment to town in what would have been MYLO if there hadn't been a Bulletproof in my game, and you're being a detriment now. And that's not counting your reactions to Momo's pressure, which are bad.
VOTE: JaydragonKing
L-2.

[Mathdino]

Purely for the irony of modeling Jay's playstyle, I'm reserving the hammer on him for myself.

That means that

if anyone puts him at L-1, consider this intent to hammer

.

[momo]

I've legit already made it to LyLo in one complete game already, if you must know, Kop. And that one time I did, I won as scum. I will be a wonderful addition to LyLo.

You should only worry about me when there is NO active suspicion on me. That's when shit seems to be going scums way, regardless of me being scum or not.

Jay, you were a detriment to town in what would have been MYLO if there hadn't been a Bulletproof in my game, and you're being a detriment now. And that's not counting your reactions to Momo's pressure, which are bad.
VOTE: JaydragonKing
L-2.

Assemble? Is that you? Did you actually posts?

Nah, jk.

Good to see you and good vote.

However, you will remain null due to lack of content.

However, your reasoning...you said you are voting due to Jay being detrimental...not scummy...Are you voting because this slot is anti-town, or because this slot is scum?

Pedit: Alright mathdino...A50, I am assuming you are ready to vote here

[Mathdino]

I mean yeah Assemble's vote is literally the scummiest on the whole wagon.

But I've said it before. This fiasco isn't gonna end til Jay is lynched. It's gonna be today or tomorrow.

@Kop:

I've switched to momo's side on this because of the argument that Jay is a higher-info lynch than RedFlavor, with all the available associations. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.

[sheepsaysmeep]

assemble's vote is a policy vote?

expecting this not to be answered for a few days

[momo]

Quick thing, I picked fitz first and I encouraged everyone to pick different hider targets so it wouldn't draw the NK to any one person in particular.

Impede case isn't bad. It's convinced me out of a townread. Hasn't convinced me into a scumread. I see a lot of flak for his interaction with Jay, which I actually like. Seems natural to me.

How do you read Impede right now?

I understand you have your sights set on Jay, and I do agree with you with what you are saying, but personally I'd rather go for someone who can give us more information going into day two so we can get a stronger read on others, I feel lynching Jay on day one, isn't going to give us anything and reads won't be as strong as they would by lynching someone who gives us more. Jay will never be shot, so that is going to obviously be in the back of everyones mind and someone we don't want in LYLO, but he can easily be done on day 2 or 3 if we aren't further forward in lynching scum.

A few pages later , do you still scum read Impede (as heavily as before to the point you want to lynch him) after everything..especially my 423

[Almost50]

@momo: Jay is very likely Town to me. They're just being stubborn and overly confrontational (which is annoying somewhat, but is most certainly a TOWN trait). I also liked their reads, so I'm not really feeling scum!Jay here.

Instead, I invite you to check this out:

Wow what a snoozefest. All the theory talk isn't game-advancing at all. I know Math is posting up a readslist, so I'll do the same. This is mostly gut off of reading the past 2-3 pages.

Momo, Jay
Math, A50

Kop, Hawk

Una, Fitz
-

Everyone else is

null

for lack of content.

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

These quotes are only just over 6 hours apart.

From then on he starts throwing shade on me for everything I say, pushes Jay (and votes him), shades Mathdino, agrees with Una while actively maintaining a SR on him, but never votes him, and totally ignores the discussion when I ask him how he would have had me phrase my thoughts (about Creature) w/o them sounding "overly aggressive" to him.

THIS IS SCUM. Una IS his partner. It's painfully obvious I am astonished others can't see the link. At least Jay agrees Impede is Scum, and both their readlists (they posted two versions) and their progression feel like Town reads/progression, plus -a I said earlier- they're being too confrontational I can hardly see them flipping Scum (only a few select players are that bold as Scum).

So, if Redflavor isn't promising I'm switching to Impede, because Dino obviously won't let me lynch Una first. I'm good with either Una/Impede (and YES, even before Red whom I'd be reevaluating my read on if I'm still alive by tomorrow).

VOTE: Impede

P-edit: I was just thinking to myself the nex vote on Jay would come from Scum. I never saw it to be from Assemble though.

[sheepsaysmeep]

a50, is there anything you dont like about assemble's vote besides that it was the next vote

[Impede]

Obviously! He was not contributing much back then, and is still doing zilch now!

And I was only 3rd (if I recall correct) to state my hypo-target, so I literally had 80% of the playerlist up for grabs.

But these two posts were made within 5 hours of each other, during which time Creature did not post, and no discussion was had about him. How did you change from no read to scumread?

It's too early in the day for me to give up on my own reads and sheep you, Mathdino. Would you care to restate the case on Redflavor?

I'm currently working by PoE, and granted there are also mixed reads, but I have no reads on Finn, Kop, Fitz, Una & Creature, so I need them all to speak more.

If I were the hider, I would hide behind Creature.

[sheepsaysmeep]

you dont necessarily hide behind sr's

[JaydragonKing]

... *sigh*

I've been the target of today's Lynch since page fucking one. I've said all I can, honestly, about my innocence before I had took my nap. Whether it's by scum read or policy Lynch, half of you want me dead.

But just humor me while I'm alive, okay? If I flip Vigilante, how much do you want to be sold on the scum team being Impede/Creature?

[sheepsaysmeep]

this is a hardclaim? amirite?

[Impede]

you dont necessarily hide behind sr's

I just got done asking him if he hid behind Creature because of a SR and he said yes. Read.

[sheepsaysmeep]

can we not have everyone pushing their own scumteam d1

[Mathdino]

Yeah that's definitely a hardclaim. Shoot to prove.

VOTE: Assemble

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: red
i'll read the impede case later

[Impede]

... *sigh*

I've been the target of today's Lynch since page fucking one. I've said all I can, honestly, about my innocence before I had took my nap. Whether it's by scum read or policy Lynch, half of you want me dead.

But just humor me while I'm alive, okay? If I flip Vigilante, how much do you want to be sold on the scum team being Impede/Creature?

The hell? Why would you hardclaim now. Sigh.

UNVOTE:

pedit: I think this is the only way to get content out of him. Sheep!
VOTE: Assemble

[sheepsaysmeep]

Why would you hardclaim now?

ftfy

[Mathdino]

Couple things for Jay on playing power role:

1. Do not say who you're going to shoot. This gives potential mafia bus driver an opportunity to swap your target with some random other person.
2. If it's incredibly obvious to everyone who you're gonna shoot (I'm not gonna coach you on vig strategies but a few things are pretty obv), a tactic I sometimes like to use is dice-shooting from a publicised list of 2 or 3 targets. This also gives hiders the opportunity to decide not to hide behind someone you might shoot.
3. The fact that you exist makes it more likely there's a Mafia JOAT who'll roleblock you. So if you get RB'd, and you're still alive, you'll get another chance to shoot on N2. If you haven't shot by then, we're obviously lynching you.

Edit: Hardclaim was the right call. By posting intent to hammer I was essentially asking for one.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i am fairly certain that you will not increase assemble's activity by pressuring him