Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop

[sheepsaysmeep]

like i know that's not a wall and it's a few sentences but can i have a tldr

[Mathdino]

God Impede, you're so bad under pressure. Gonna explain myself real quick.

Last page, on after post 663, I did go spend 10 or 15 mins analysing your meta and the previous game. The connections that I thought I saw weren't there. In fact your play is 100% consistent with your town meta. I wasn't gonna immediately unvote though because the utility of extra wagon analysis outweighs the slight risk of getting you lynched.

In post 670, when I said "Let me do my thing", I thought you'd understand that I was testing a wagon on you. In 672 I wasn't even casing you and never got around to posting my review, because I already believed you were town at that point. Crumbed the reaction test wagon with "let the town do its thing".

Now I honestly don't know anymore. Your reaction in 682 isn't what I'd expect from town!Impede, as someone who respects town!Impede.
UNVOTE:

I'm so confused about this. The people who jumped on after I started the wagon are sheep and momo, both of whom I'm townreading (sheep loses points, I don't think momo can lose points in my book). I'm wondering if Impede is the token mislynch whose wagon consists entirely of townies, or if I'm just wrong and you're actually scum.

[yessiree]

VC 1.20

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Creature (5) [L-2] -

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor, Almost50, Hawk, Impede

Impede (4) -

Kop, havingfitz, sheepsaysmeep, momo

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

Not voting

- Creature, Assemblerotws, Mathdino

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[Almost50]

1. The whole point of .... etc.

3. You know how I play . Let me do my thing.

For someone who goes by

Mathdino

I think you really suck with COUNTING!

[Mathdino]

He made 3 PEdits, and #2 wasn't directed at me so I snipped it out of his quote. Check the post again lol.

While you're here, I need another opinion on Impede.

[Almost50]

no walls pls

Don' listen to them folks. MORE walls please (also some memes of you will).

[Almost50]

While you're here, I need another opinion on Impede.

Did I not give one already? Let me refresh your memory:

Spoiler:

@momo: Jay is very likely Town to me. They're just being stubborn and overly confrontational (which is annoying somewhat, but is most certainly a TOWN trait). I also liked their reads, so I'm not really feeling scum!Jay here.

Instead, I invite you to check this out:

Wow what a snoozefest. All the theory talk isn't game-advancing at all. I know Math is posting up a readslist, so I'll do the same. This is mostly gut off of reading the past 2-3 pages.

Momo, Jay
Math, A50

Kop, Hawk

Una, Fitz
-

Everyone else is

null

for lack of content.

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

These quotes are only just over 6 hours apart.

From then on he starts throwing shade on me for everything I say, pushes Jay (and votes him), shades Mathdino, agrees with Una while actively maintaining a SR on him, but never votes him, and totally ignores the discussion when I ask him how he would have had me phrase my thoughts (about Creature) w/o them sounding "overly aggressive" to him.

THIS IS SCUM. Una IS his partner. It's painfully obvious I am astonished others can't see the link. At least Jay agrees Impede is Scum, and both their readlists (they posted two versions) and their progression feel like Town reads/progression, plus -a I said earlier- they're being too confrontational I can hardly see them flipping Scum (only a few select players are that bold as Scum).

So, if Redflavor isn't promising I'm switching to Impede, because Dino obviously won't let me lynch Una first. I'm good with either Una/Impede (and YES, even before Red whom I'd be reevaluating my read on if I'm still alive by tomorrow).

VOTE: Impede

P-edit: I was just thinking to myself the nex vote on Jay would come from Scum. I never saw it to be from Assemble though.

[sheepsaysmeep]

that was long before impede's reactions

[Mathdino]

That was almost half the game ago, and in my opinion, Una/Impede is a dumbass theory.

Give me something modern.

PEdit: fuck you sheep

[sheepsaysmeep]

no walls pls

Don' listen to them folks. MORE walls please (also some memes of you will).

rip

[sheepsaysmeep]

PEdit: fuck you sheep

lol

[JaydragonKing]

It's still been my main idea that Creature should be the lynch today. His flip of red will give us all the evidence we need against Impede or even Flavor. That's also where I come in as well.

[Almost50]

Give me something modern.

It's funny you should ask someone who's only 5 month away from celebrating his Golden Jubilee for something "modern" Mate, I was born over 13 months before Neil Armstrong even set foot on the Moon.

But seriously, I'm OK lynching Impede or Creature... OR UNABOMBaH! (Yes, I'm THAT stubborn)

[Mathdino]

mfw unironically almost 50, nice

Okay but seriously please do read Impede's latest posts and gimme something that doesn't involve Impede being guilty by association with Una (blegh).

[Almost50]

Reading someone's tone is one of my weaknesses. I rely more on analysis, associations, setup spec, VCA .. etc.

Like, I could do an ISO, but most of it WILL sound forced. Like, in #74 when he blatantly accuses Jay of being SK, then follows the revelation with "Game solved". Why would TOWN consider the game solved after lynching the SK?

But let's just say that was a joke, and let's also say it was a coincidence his RVS landed on none other than Una.

Now even ignoring the link between Impede on Una I still don't see how he got from 152 to disliking momo's TR on me in 161 (if you're confident momo's Town, why is it odd fro momo to be confident in his TR on someone you already had a Town lean on?)

In 171[//post] Impeded restates his scum lean on Una (See [post]152 for the first incident) yet never once did he vote or even try to interact with Una. (same applies to Impede on Fitz, btw).

In 274 he ONCE AGAIN says Una is likely scum, and STILL NO VOTE AND NO EFFORT TO SORT/PRESSURE Una AT ALL.

Now after having shaded me in 170 for no apparent reason (it's totally NAI.. but it's how SCUM would do it??), Impede agrees with his 3-TIMES A SCUM READ on me being Scum in 286. If this isn't standard distancing between 2 buddies I don't know what is.

The whole BS of accusing you of being fence-sitty on me is him indirectly trying to pressure you into voting me.

NVM, I'll stop righ here. Overall, Impede is being tricky and sly with his posts and votes. He did see Jay's soft-claim (btw, my personal interpretation of a crumb is something that is hard to spot at the time. Jay SOFT CLAIMED. It was too obvious to be called a crumb), and he was pushing there, but he also saw my "possible crumb" and realized lynching a Hider is of higher priority bc they could just shoot the Vig at night.

In general, when someone says "this is NAI.. but Scummy" (!!!!), or "I could see this coming from Town, but it feels like scum" (he did it both to you and me) it does give me the impression this is someone keeping all his options open. If Town is lynched .. "but I said it could come from town". If Scum is lynched .. "I also said it looked like scum".

tldr; Impede is +70% scum to me. The other 30% is him being a really bad player with a problem in his self-confidence (and from what I've seen people say I don't think it the case).

Once flipped, THEN I maybe able to see things better. If he flips Scum I will maintain my SR on Una with enthusiasm. If he flips SK, then we know where the "Jay is SK.. game solved" came from. If he flips Town, I'll just reevaluate my reads and go on, but I certainly won't be taking HIS reads into account after having SR'd both me and Jay.

[Mathdino]

Fantastic, thanks. I don't need your case to be convincing, I just needed help with articulating what my subconscious was seeing.

Points you made that I didn't notice before:
- His interaction with Una. It's consistent with bussing but I'm townreading Una pretty strongly so I'm ignoring this for now. I asked for a case independent of Una
- Trying to pressure me into voting you. Interesting point, and consistent with idea of him buddying me, cuz I might irrationally subconsciously want to go after you in an effort to keep being townread.

Points you made that I've seen before:
- Seeing the possible crumb. You mentioned that and I still don't believe it. I'm only willing to believe that particular point if Creature flips scum. Ask me for more if you're interested.
- The tone of early posts. I'm similar in that I also suck at tone so I'm ignoring this (and did ignore this in my initial case).

- Reserving a whole section for flip-flopping/fencesitting/self-confidence.

Don't ask me how (rules), but I know Impede, and take it from me when I say that him constantly throwing out "well, this could be town, but this could also be scum" is exactly consistent with every town game of his that I've read through. In the time between making my initial push and then being like "Let the town do its thing, Impede" I did some meta on him and found exactly that kind of behaviour. IIRC (this was last night so I might remember wrong) I even saw some of the same phrases. "This feels town, although scum could say this".

Given that we don't have any scumgames from him, I'm calling that behaviour completely NAI.

His defence was absolute shit but I'm currently townreading him for it. Again, help me interpret Impede's behaviour RECENTLY, not over half the game ago. 284 is old news.

[momo]

God Impede, you're so bad under pressure. Gonna explain myself real quick.

Last page, on after post 663, I did go spend 10 or 15 mins analysing your meta and the previous game. The connections that I thought I saw weren't there. In fact your play is 100% consistent with your town meta. I wasn't gonna immediately unvote though because the utility of extra wagon analysis outweighs the slight risk of getting you lynched.

In post 670, when I said "Let me do my thing", I thought you'd understand that I was testing a wagon on you. In 672 I wasn't even casing you and never got around to posting my review, because I already believed you were town at that point. Crumbed the reaction test wagon with "let the town do its thing".

Now I honestly don't know anymore. Your reaction in 682 isn't what I'd expect from town!Impede, as someone who respects town!Impede.
UNVOTE:

I'm so confused about this. The people who jumped on after I started the wagon are sheep and momo, both of whom I'm townreading (sheep loses points, I don't think momo can lose points in my book). I'm wondering if Impede is the token mislynch whose wagon consists entirely of townies, or if I'm just wrong and you're actually scum.

Here's the way I see this...Impede is definitely not the scummiest person right now...that's not his value as a lynch. If we want to lynch the scummiest we go Creature and RedFlavor..either one...

Impede's flip, no matter what it is, provides us a lot of information to work with, I votes impede because it seemed to me the Creature wagon was losing traction and that impede was a fine new place to put my vote

My thought for the BEST LYNCH, is without a doubt CREAUTURE...he has more content than redflavor in the effort to make himself appear towny, but is scummy...this content provides us with additional information........

In fact, since the Impede wagon is losing traction again, (I think md taking his vote of has suddenly made it much harder for it to go through) I am going to ask you all to but your vote where it really belongs, on Creature.

UNVOTE: Impede
VOTE: Creature

[momo]

Reading someone's tone is one of my weaknesses. I rely more on analysis, associations, setup spec, VCA .. etc.

Like, I could do an ISO, but most of it WILL sound forced. Like, in #74 when he blatantly accuses Jay of being SK, then follows the revelation with "Game solved". Why would TOWN consider the game solved after lynching the SK?

But let's just say that was a joke, and let's also say it was a coincidence his RVS landed on none other than Una.

Now even ignoring the link between Impede on Una I still don't see how he got from 152 to disliking momo's TR on me in 161 (if you're confident momo's Town, why is it odd fro momo to be confident in his TR on someone you already had a Town lean on?)

In 171[//post] Impeded restates his scum lean on Una (See [post]152 for the first incident) yet never once did he vote or even try to interact with Una. (same applies to Impede on Fitz, btw).

In 274 he ONCE AGAIN says Una is likely scum, and STILL NO VOTE AND NO EFFORT TO SORT/PRESSURE Una AT ALL.

Now after having shaded me in 170 for no apparent reason (it's totally NAI.. but it's how SCUM would do it??), Impede agrees with his 3-TIMES A SCUM READ on me being Scum in 286. If this isn't standard distancing between 2 buddies I don't know what is.

The whole BS of accusing you of being fence-sitty on me is him indirectly trying to pressure you into voting me.

NVM, I'll stop righ here. Overall, Impede is being tricky and sly with his posts and votes. He did see Jay's soft-claim (btw, my personal interpretation of a crumb is something that is hard to spot at the time. Jay SOFT CLAIMED. It was too obvious to be called a crumb), and he was pushing there, but he also saw my "possible crumb" and realized lynching a Hider is of higher priority bc they could just shoot the Vig at night.

In general, when someone says "this is NAI.. but Scummy" (!!!!), or "I could see this coming from Town, but it feels like scum" (he did it both to you and me) it does give me the impression this is someone keeping all his options open. If Town is lynched .. "but I said it could come from town". If Scum is lynched .. "I also said it looked like scum".

tldr; Impede is +70% scum to me. The other 30% is him being a really bad player with a problem in his self-confidence (and from what I've seen people say I don't think it the case).

Once flipped, THEN I maybe able to see things better. If he flips Scum I will maintain my SR on Una with enthusiasm. If he flips SK, then we know where the "Jay is SK.. game solved" came from. If he flips Town, I'll just reevaluate my reads and go on, but I certainly won't be taking HIS reads into account after having SR'd both me and Jay.

Damn, a50 good case...I knew there was a reason I trd you after my push on me instead of getting salty...see this is what I'm saying, I'm stuck guys...\

Who do i vote for...

This is getting to be too much..

You know what

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Impede

Considering that it's D1, the additional information is more important than anything...and the case against Impede is really solid...

P.S. I really love this town..first game I have played in which there has been solid scum hunting from multiple players.

I know I said I wouldn't do this but a50, mathdino, consider yourself townREADS

[JaydragonKing]

But what the heck about me, Momo?

[Almost50]

Ask me for more if you're interested.

Make a note to take about it tomorrow, maybe?

Again, help me interpret Impede's behaviour RECENTLY, not over half the game ago.

I can't. I admit to being already conf!biased as I think he is very likely scum (and I'm trying not to make it even more a blatant accusation. If I did I would have said "I think he is scum" (omitting he "very likely" bit).

[sheepsaysmeep]

ew walls ew

[Almost50]

Okay... If you think Impede is the more informative lynch to you then I'll go there..

VOTE: Impede

[sheepsaysmeep]

shit is that a lynch

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh i dont think it is nvm lol