Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop yay

[momo]

But what the heck about me, Momo?

it's not really a read if it's confirmed by a claim...but since i read the claim you can be a town read too i guess

townreads, townreads everywhere

[Almost50]

@Dino: Explain Impede's behaviour around Una considering all 4 cases (i.e. TvT, TvS, SvT & SvS). You may even toss in the possibility of Impede flipping SK for your own amusement. More to it: 1- Give enough reason to think Una could be Town if Impede is scum, and 2- why would Town!Impede would act like that towards a suspect.

Notice that I'm not talking about "this is NAI but i scummy" kind of remarks. I'm talking about EXPLICITLY Scum reading someone yet NEVER voting them nor interacting with them AT ALL.

[Mathdino]

That's L-2. Just want to be clear in that I'm not okay with this lynch, and sheep and momo should both check my response to A50. I know you trust momos alignment (I do too) but do trust my experience of Impedes meta.

My vote was a test that got out of hand and I'm annoyed that Impede is going to (somewhat fairly) blame me for it on his deathbed.

Edit: haven't read the above, might change my mind idk yet

[momo]

Impede and Creature are both at L-2

Nobody is to vote either of them without explicitly saying the phrase "L-1" in that same post...nobody is to hammer without stating intent

While I think both are scummy ... i think impede flip, no matter what it is, provides more information which we could use right now

Pedit: Md 728 Will reread now, not committing to anything

[Almost50]

Impede and Creature are both at L-2

Creature is @L-3, as I was on him before I switched to Impede.

[sheepsaysmeep]

UNVOTE: until i read dino's response

[Mathdino]

@Dino: Explain Impede's behaviour around Una considering all 4 cases (i.e. TvT, TvS, SvT & SvS). You may even toss in the possibility of Impede flipping SK for your own amusement. More to it: 1- Give enough reason to think Una could be Town if Impede is scum, and 2- why would Town!Impede would act like that towards a suspect.

Notice that I'm not talking about "this is NAI but i scummy" kind of remarks. I'm talking about EXPLICITLY Scum reading someone yet NEVER voting them nor interacting with them AT ALL.

Good point.

Benefit of the doubt.

I'm gonna meta Impede for that specific behaviour. If I find that he always does this shit (he has no completed scumgames), I'm going to consider your case null. If I find no evidence of him behaving like that previously, I'll accept the lynch.

[yessiree]

VC 1.21

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Impede (4) -

Kop, havingfitz, momo, Almost50

Creature (4) -

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor, Hawk, Impede

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

Not voting

- Creature, Assemblerotws, Mathdino, sheepsaysmeep

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[JaydragonKing]

Almost switched to Impede, so Creature actually has only four votes now, Momo. But at this point, that doesn't really matter with how quick we can switch between the two.

I will also say I can and will move my vote to hammer Impede if the case is strong enough. Which it really is, but I'm just letting you know I'll wait if you want me to wait.

--- Post Edit ---

Well now I think there both at four, so okay. They're equal again.

--- Post Edit 2 ---

And The Mod posting that made me correcting the vote count all but meaningless now. Dang nabbit.

[momo]

The question we need to ask ourselves is, how much will Impede flipping green hurt us...how much will Impede flipping red give us

Impede flipping red practically confirms Creature as scum

Impede flipping green however, won't change much as far as reads go

Creature flipping red will give us confidence to lynch Impede

Creature flipping green will make us doubt the impede lynch a lot, might also indicate that impede is actually town, makes us have to rethink all our reads

We need to decide what is important to us right now,

Even writing this makes me want to lynch Creature, actually...an Impede green flip leaves us confused, while red confirms something we already know...Creature read will make it so that we get of the fence with Impede and green will tell us we are still approaching this game wrong

In fact, UNVOTE: Impede

VOTE: Creature

L-2

None of you are hammering without further discussion and stating intent

[sheepsaysmeep]

btw momo this isnt a newbie

[momo]

btw momo this isnt a newbie

What?

Who said this was a newbie...I was just presenting an argument in a clear, easy to follow way

[sheepsaysmeep]

Impede flipping red practically confirms Creature as scum

no

[Mathdino]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

[momo]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

What about Creature flipping red...I see an association

[JaydragonKing]

Or I can just shoot the one who we don't hang and make everything easier.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm trying to dig myself out of my tunnel and focus my next reread on RedFlavor, Kop, Hawk, havingfitz.
I feel like Mathdino/A50/momo form the bulk of the actual conversation, and I'm constantly paranoid of them creating the whole picture for everyone else to see (NAI, but destroys original ideas and organic reads).
I still haven't been able to keep up posting-wise, but I have been reading more than three times a day.
Will be able to devote a lengthy time for only posting before D1 deadline though, probably Tuesday.

[sheepsaysmeep]

btw jay dont let scum know who youll shoot

[sheepsaysmeep]

una's paranoia seems genuine?

[UnaBombaH]

I still think lynching in a slot like Creature D1 is fine, but I think people are overestimating the association reads we get from such a flip.

[UnaBombaH]

Or I can just shoot the one who we don't hang and make everything easier.

Please don't do that. OR if you do, don't say you do.
Doo-doo.

[JaydragonKing]

It was only a suggestion, and not a commitment. But if it means the Mafia waste their roleblocker or strongman on me to make sure I don't screw them in the future, then so be it.

[UnaBombaH]

I also just realized there isn't a single doable lynch that I really approve.

I want the monkeys and the such dead, maybe even a gangster or two..but no.

[UnaBombaH]

It was only a suggestion, and not a commitment. But if it means the Mafia waste their roleblocker or strongman on me to make sure I don't screw them in the future, then so be it.

Just don't shoot me when you're flailing around gun in hand..