Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[yessiree]

VC 1.24

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Creature (5) [L-2] -

JaydragonKing, Hawk, Impede, momo, Mathdino

Impede (4) -

Kop, havingfitz, Almost50, Srceenplay

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

UnabombaH (1) -

- RedFlavor

Not voting

- Creature, sheepsaysmeep

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[momo]

pagetop

Fixed that up

[Almost50]

Intent to hammer Creature

[Srceenplay]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

Before this you are saying you are not ok with their lynch but you leave the door open to lynch the if creature flips green.
Feels a little disingenuous

[momo]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

Before this you are saying you are not ok with their lynch but you leave the door open to lynch the if creature flips green.
Feels a little disingenuous

Which is still pretty strange because there is a clear link in between them

[Mathdino]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

Before this you are saying you are not ok with their lynch but you leave the door open to lynch the if creature flips green.
Feels a little disingenuous

i no longer agree with that statement, i'll be relatively un-okay with lynching impede tomorrow unless he starts acting scummy

at the time though i was mostly arguing with whoever suggested that impede/creature are scum together, and i was being like "no that sounds wrong, impedescum is consistent with creaturetown"

Edit: congrats you found my "nullreading then scumreading with the consensus then townreading upon actual analysis" behaviour

[Srceenplay]

can we just not wall in general

The case on Impede was wrong. I'm factchecking it. I'm afraid that a few players (cough you, and me earlier) are just skimming well-written cases and being swayed.

If you wanna go that route, trust this tl;dr:

1. The case took a bunch of things out of context
2. A lot of things that make Impede scummy are actually just playstyle, and I can confirm this
3. Impede gets much better and much more readable on D2

Therefore Impede is a bad lynch and we should lynch Creature instead.

Check the votecount and L-1 or declare "intent as of Assemble's replacement showing up".

If his case is wrong and out of context, why don’t you vote them?
But
Instead you vote creature?

[Srceenplay]

I agree with you, but I also want a claim out of Creature ASAP so we have enough time to re-organise a lynch.

This reads to me as role fishing.

[JaydragonKing]

I'd doubt whatever he claims anyway.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Dino

[JaydragonKing]

Oh man am I gonna love talking to you day 2, Screen.

[Mathdino]

You're hilarious, dude. On the bright side, sheep and A50 mean we can still get a lynch without you.

His case being wrong and out of context: I'm townreading A50 for that. If you actually read my ISO and a couple of my walls, you'd see why. You think I should just vote anyone I think is wrong? That's surface level scumhunting. Hilariously, that's what you're doing.

Role-fishing: You weren't here the whole game, so I'll give you a pass on not understanding the context behind my panic. There are a few wagons that have been very difficult to get off the ground, and there are quite a few people that literally only have one person scumreading them. Creature is, at this stage, the only lynch we can actually achieve (I will admit part of this is due to me blocking off the Impede lynch). So if he's a PR, we need to know absolutely now so that we have time in the 3 days remaining to get a lynch. Unless you think we should just hammer him without a claim?

I don't know whether I can townread you or scumread you for this, because I don't know the depth to which you've actually gone and read the game. I'll leave this one to other players.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I don't know whether I can townread you or scumread you for this, because I don't know the depth to which you've actually gone and read the game. I'll leave this one to other players.

if you dont know this do you think the other players know

[JaydragonKing]

Well that means you only think Dino can solve the game, Sheep.

[sheepsaysmeep]

no it doesnt lol

[JaydragonKing]

Then how elsa an I supposed to enterpret 937 then?

[Mathdino]

I'm a shitty tonereader; I read based on motivation and general psychology. My read on his motivation is fundamentally based on exactly how much reading he's done, and now that I've said that, Srcumplay would just lie about it.

I defer to people who are provably good tonereaders/gutreaders and people who've played with him before.

@momo:

I was bored and reading mafia games, came across the end of Surreptitious Mafia. Everyone suggested Creature was the town MVP and had amazing reads, but badly communicated them.
Do you feel like this is our highest utility lynch? (aka do you think his game will improve)
Do you think he's playing against his town meta?

[sheepsaysmeep]

screen catches up like i do as town
he also has quite a few original thoughts
tr'ing him

i dont fall under good tone/gut readers tho

[Srceenplay]

You can follow along from the progression of my quotes to see how much I’ve read.

[Srceenplay]

Oh man am I gonna love talking to you day 2, Screen.

Why not now?

[sheepsaysmeep]

lolrip

[Srceenplay]

I'm a shitty tonereader; I read based on motivation and general psychology. My read on his motivation is fundamentally based on exactly how much reading he's done, and now that I've said that, Srcumplay would just lie about it.

I defer to people who are provably good tonereaders/gutreaders and people who've played with him before.

@momo:

I was bored and reading mafia games, came across the end of Surreptitious Mafia. Everyone suggested Creature was the town MVP and had amazing reads, but badly communicated them.
Do you feel like this is our highest utility lynch? (aka do you think his game will improve)
Do you think he's playing against his town meta?

So how much more has creature given you to gain a read than I have?

[momo]

I'm a shitty tonereader; I read based on motivation and general psychology. My read on his motivation is fundamentally based on exactly how much reading he's done, and now that I've said that, Srcumplay would just lie about it.

I defer to people who are provably good tonereaders/gutreaders and people who've played with him before.

@momo:

I was bored and reading mafia games, came across the end of Surreptitious Mafia. Everyone suggested Creature was the town MVP and had amazing reads, but badly communicated them.
Do you feel like this is our highest utility lynch? (aka do you think his game will improve)
Do you think he's playing against his town meta?

After playing in surreptitious (quite poorly) I know that even though he didn't communicate them, Creature at least had reads...Creature is a good player but he is not charismatic in the slightest....

However, this game, he doesn't even have the bare bones...this is different than surreptitious, so yeah, I would say Creature is still scum

[JaydragonKing]

If he doesn't want to get lynched, he better freaking start with the world's best defense.

"I just don't got the motivation rn" isn't cutting it this time, especially with two people seeing you have motivation in another game just now.

[Mathdino]

You can follow along from the progression of my quotes to see how much I’ve read.

So you've read every page up to this point?

So how much more has creature given you to gain a read than I have?

Well, Creature's given us almost 40 pages of uselessness and total lack of reads.
You have 1 page of bad reads. I have hope for you yet