Open 705: Polygamist - Game Over

[Toranaga]

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:16 am

I wasn't around Saturday tea time onwards and didn't sign back on till well after the topic was closed.

can we agree this game is broken?

In what sense?

I think you just cleared yourself with timestamps

[sheepsaysmeep]

too ez lolrip

[momo]

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:16 am

I wasn't around Saturday tea time onwards and didn't sign back on till well after the topic was closed.

can we agree this game is broken?

In what sense?

I think you just cleared yourself with timestamps

Bro, imma start documenting my login times so that I can do this....thx

[Mathdino]

It's not exactly clearing. It's possible BigFinn made those exact kinds of posts in the scumthread and Llama locked the thread at the same time as he did the rest of us, so Kop just lifted timestamps from the scumthread.

Possible. Not really likely. I prefer the arbitrary Lalendra/cy lynch.

Also someone who's doing legit scumhunting, please explain to me the scum motivation of Tora trying to town-clear the guy that his partner is voting for.

[LlamaFluff]

Consider this an open warning to all players regarding Private Topic information:

Summarizing content is fine. Quoting direct communication or timestamps will result in a modkill moving forward from this point. If you do not know if what you are posting will get you modkilled or not, ask me first.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

cytheflyguy (2) - MisaTange, Mathdino
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy

Not Voting (5) - Kop, RedFlavor, momo, manrock, Toranaga

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)

[Sky_Paladin]

Back from VLA but work so :/ will post a more comprehensive state-of-the-paladin when I get home proper.
Quick snapshots to Dino since I remember some things from my scroll through -
My town meta is different - quite likely; my last completed game as town was over three years ago.
See me online but not posting - I was vla on my five year wedding anniversary and couldn't really post except snippets, but I wanted to keep abreast of the game.
Thoughts about Cy - I've been playing the game through a 3" screen and mainly scrolling through everything. I scrolled past Cy because walls on an iphone don't work well however I do intend to revisit that.
I'm interested in the momo possible slip; I disagree with my partner that scumslips never happen. However 100% of scum slips I have ever personally found turned out to be simple mistakes on behalf of the player, as I myself have also made mistakes, so I am cautious. I agree that Kop/Momo having divergent opinions on their lover topic is alarming and in hindsight I can see why you would want players to claim their conversation topic, specifically because, presumably the scum pairs have the same topic and divergences should be punished. I view the 'nobody vote' Momo-comment as probably more severe than your dice rolling approach and do want to look closer at this slot.
I forgot the other thing you asked, feel free to repost anything you urgently want me to look at if I haven't gotten to it in a few hours.

I'm also interested in looking closer at Tora and now that other players are posting am looking for opportunities to engage with them. Nothing sorts faster than an angry internet debate.

[Sky_Paladin]

please explain to me the scum motivation of Tora trying to town-clear the guy that his partner is voting for.

It looks more towny when players have differing views from their partner - it leads credence to the idea that they are acting in the interests of town. If I was scum I would be doing everything in my power to not look anything like my claimed partner.

That said it is much harder to fabricate reads especially when you are further having to act around another player and the more a player believably does this the more likely I would see them as actually town.

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: cytheflyguy

Let's go!

[Toranaga]

vote: cytheflyguy

[DiamondSentinel]

Not liking this cy wagon much at all. Considering neither him nor his lover are really defending themselves, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Lalendra]

Honestly I've kind of given up, if I'm going to get lynched D1 because of arbitrary random voting and math, then what's the point in defending? Nothing I say matters if we're just playing the lottery.

[DiamondSentinel]

Honestly I've kind of given up, if I'm going to get lynched D1 because of arbitrary random voting and math, then what's the point in defending? Nothing I say matters if we're just playing the lottery.

Exactly my point.

[momo]

why not

VOTE: cytheflyguy

L-2

[Mathdino]

So the question is whether or not we can actually get our majority.

[Sky_Paladin]

Hey Dino, can you run your program again with the following parameters:

A - On day 1, if scum is killed, you don't roll again. Justification: Eliminate impossible scenario's from the decision matrix.

B - On day 1, if we sheep a scum player, odds of town win. Kingmaker scenario gone bad.

C - On day 1, if we sheep a town player, odds of town win. Kingmaker best case scenario.

By my math we're looking at around a 54.45 chance of a scum victory in A, a 72% chance of a scum victory in B, and a straight 50% chance of town/scum winning in C.

Random only
Kingmaker

Now doing my catch up post.

[sheepsaysmeep]

we're sheeping a town player

[Sky_Paladin]

Which player is that?

[sheepsaysmeep]

the player we're sheeping

[sheepsaysmeep]

Spoiler:

me

[Sky_Paladin]

You are partner with Tora though right?

[sheepsaysmeep]

yes

[Sky_Paladin]

What do you make of Tora's first content post of the game being a defence of Dino in 263, sometime after voting for Cy?

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm still going through, but I noticed you town read Cy in 159. What changed this?

[sheepsaysmeep]

i mean
this game itself has taken some time to produce actual content
idk dino can defend himself
what significance does "sometime after voting cy" hold