Rude.
VOTE: mathdino
Eww, maths. But awesome, dinosaurs. Ugh I'm so god damn conflicted.
Rude.
Please tell me that you’re not seriously describing my joke post as an over reaction...In post 42, Maxous wrote:VOTE: mutantdevle
I don't like post #29 either
Seems like an over-reaction to only one guy kinda scumreading you
I mean, I could rub you the other way if you want me to?In post 44, Maxous wrote:Maybe 'trying a bit too hard to be jokey'?
idk, still kinda rubbed me the wrong way
I think that out of everyone here, Elmo would be your go-to person to get a read on me in regards to my meta. Though I can tell you that my current posts don't really match my meta too much since I haven't been taking this game seriously yet.In post 33, Mathdino wrote:The tone in both of these posts feels really bad. Robotic and shit. Can someone who's played with mutant before read this for me?
Probably Sauce. Their posts feel distracting and don't really contribute anything despite having the second most posts so far. Though I guess that's kinda hypocritical of me since I haven't really done anything yet. I had to re-read the entire thread to reach that conclusion though. The re-read has probably made me more interested in the game so I should be posting better quality now.In post 60, Almost50 wrote:@mutant: Gun to your head; where would you vote?
Why? The game is fresh and not really much has happened. I don't get why you'd want a wagon on Bins, any particular reason? I don't really see anything wrong with her posts, or anything at all for that matter. So if this wagon is simply just to apply pressure to her to make her talk more then I can get on board with that. If there's some other reason you are voting for her though then I'd love to hear it. However typically, I don't tend to sheep.In post 65, Mathdino wrote:Almost50, mutant, Elmo, Not_Mafia, sheep me, let's get a good wagon going.
I don't see why. Not only is my statement logical but surely you out of everyone here knows that this is the type of statement I am inclined to make?In post 109, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I really cant believe this.
What the SK has picked was not of concern to me when I wrote that statement. Regardless of what the SK picked, the fundamental fact is that they are required to kill the other scum before us in order to win.In post 114, Bins wrote:This sketches me out a little bit because it seems to imply that you feel SK definitely picked Vig/Cop immunity and not Mafia NK immunity. If they didn't pick Vig/Cop immunity, they would be working their hardest to switch the stuff off as well and wouldn't fuck with the Mafia's switches.
I'd say it is more that mechanic that would have almost screwed them over rather than the notion of keeping the SK alive. If a SK does not kill a fake claiming scum lord then we'd simply get a guaranteed successful lynch when the SK flips. All in all, I just think having the SK as the last person we lynch to win is the best case scenario as a mafia member fake claiming SK will equal itself out eventually if not immediately.In post 125, Almost50 wrote:@mutant: I'd disagree on the bit of letting any claimed scum live, as I'm against the idea of leashing scum in general (and I'm thankful Wisdom is not here to counter my argument).
The last a recent game I played (open 700) the town did just that (let the claimed SK live) and it almost cost as the game, as the "claimed SK" was actually the 2nd Mafia member!! Lynching them o the spot would have revealed a LOT of info (game mechanics dictated flips were hidden until the killer was flipped). The Mafia did help us in a way by actually targeting the real SK to end up in a 2v1 LyLo rather than a 1v1v1 in which case we would have lost regardless bc No Lynch wasn't even an option.
Regardless, I'm always against the leashing of claimed/guiltied Scum on principle.
I'm an ask and you shall receive kind of guy. If you ever want me to give my reads at any point during the game then simply just ask me. I'm not one for missing questions.In post 130, Maxous wrote:I should of stuck with my first vote
VOTE: mutantdevle
he ignored giving any reads or analysis and popped in just to talk theory.
Bins did not "scumslip"
i'm not convinced she's town but mutant is the first solid scumtell i have here so far
You realise the mafia have a vig right? We are facing up to 4 deaths per day/night cycle. If the SK dies, their vig basically has the freedom to have a guaranteed kill every night. The SK has at least a chance to hit scum. In contrast, a mafia vig is always going to hit town.In post 134, Chip Butty wrote:If I knew right now who the SK is, I would lynch them without a second thought. Even if it is in their interests to work with town for now, they're still more likely to shoot town than scum. We're looking at potentially 3 deaths per day/night cycle, and could lose real quick.
Sorry, but what exactly am I misunderstanding? As town, we share a common objective with the SK to eliminate the mafia. Furthermore, the SK is useful to us because of how they can mess with the switches. As soon as the SK dies, we lose all our PRs with them as the remaining scum will just activate the switches so that they can use additional abilities and we can't. If we knew who the SK was, we could save them until the end to lynch them. That way, we get to keep the 50/50 chance that our PRs get to use their ability. If you want another reason to keep the SK alive, then consider that the SK counts as town in regards to the mafia having to gain a majority to win. I'm not saying we should hunt for the SK specifically, but if they were ever to reveal themselves to us then we should keep them alive until the very end as the scum would be in a far stronger position compared to us when the SK is dead.In post 143, Mathdino wrote:I don't believe his blatant misunderstanding of the setup is intentional.
Bins: She casually mentions her reads which is always useful for reading her and is engaging in conversation more so than most. I think her confusion with the switching mechanic is fair enough and not something that is scummy. Her only scummy action is how she thought we should be prioritising finding the SK. To me though, that looks like a genuine thought spawned by the logic that 1 less night kill = better for town. Obviously, this logic has since been proven to be flawed due to the SK additional switch abilities but Bins has stated she didn't recognise that the SK had such a strong power which I believe to be the truth on her part. I do recognise the possibility that she is faking the confusion as a way of getting out of such a scum slip which is why she is a town lean for me rather than a town read.In post 143, Mathdino wrote:mutant, talk to me about Bins and Raya. I obviously disagree with you so you should explain where you're at in reading them as town.
I thought I removed that from that post... obviously, they are town (and also dead).
Well, I'm completely fucking stupid... I thought the scum had those PRs but also had the ability to change the switch. Hence, if they wanted to switch then they cannot use their ability, and if they want to use their ability, they cannot perform the night kill. So the SK isn't as powerful as I thought and eliminating them will reduce the number of night kills by 1. My mistake.In post 149, Mathdino wrote:tl;dr read the setup again so we can get back to the game
I look at both.In post 149, Mathdino wrote:You should be looking at motivation behind posts, not quality as a player.
In post 164, Mathdino wrote:Can you give a reads list again (updated if any updates are applicable) and sell me on your scumreads? Your nullreads (fitz, Max, Chip, Elmo) have posted since then I think. Any thoughts on them?
They all seem quite minor to me.In post 166, Mathdino wrote:Sure. I'll be more specific.In post 165, mutantdevle wrote:@mathdino, mind pointing out in which posts bins is defending herself against points that aren't directed to her?
48 was flippantly calling my slight gut read on her into question.
56 had a random bit of self-meta defence against my (again, slight) read on her.
81 unnecessarily interjects into a meta discussion/question I had for A50.
The rest was in response to me talking more directly to her.
I never said I wasn't capable of giving my reads without someone asking. My point was that the vote wasn't necessary as to get any information out of me all you have to do is ask.In post 180, Maxous wrote:you only have one completed game on this site but this does *not* check out buddy
you were perfectly fine giving your own reads there without anyone asking.
I never said I wasn't capable of giving my reads without someone asking. My point was that the vote wasn't necessary as to get any information out of me all you have to do is ask.In post 180, Maxous wrote:you only have one completed game on this site but this does *not* check out buddy
you were perfectly fine giving your own reads there without anyone asking.
I'm inclined to agree. It makes sense that a SK would scum read everyone since they know that every single person in the game is against them.In post 191, Mathdino wrote:i don't know much about SK hunting but this reads a LOT like SK
I'm also a player that tends to hammer anyone as a compromise lynch. The only time I refrain from hammering is if either the wagon is on someone I am 90+% sure is town or I believe they are a town PR. Currently, I don't have that level of certainty on anyone.In post 210, Mathdino wrote:Not_Mafia: mutant/Bins/Raya/fitz and would presumably be willing to hammer anyone (classic N_M)
In post 219, Chip Butty wrote:@MD: Is there anything much other than meta behind your Raya vote?
Can you not use 'MD' as an abbreviation for Mathdino, please? It's incredibly confusing, kek.In post 221, Chip Butty wrote:I've looked at the ISOs of MD, NM, Raya, and A50 just now, but I still need to go back and do a proper readthrough. Will answer any questions / comments addressed to me then.
Can you please explain why you want me dead so much? You never did when I questioned your vote.
In post 351, mutantdevle wrote:'Tis L-1 I believe.
Well I'm stupid. I though N_M's vote was a new one.In post 354, Equinox wrote:Bins (5) - Almost50, Mathdino, mutantdevle, Not_Mafia, Lalendra
Oh lol
I mean, this sounds awfully confident that you don't think maths claim was correct.In post 316, Maxous wrote:Tell you what, if Bins flips scum feel free to give me shit.
Until then, I don't care
Wait, so was it actually a gambit or what? Do you have a legit investigation or...? Are you even actually the cop? I'm so god damn confused.In post 379, Mathdino wrote:i'm just trolling don't read into it
I'm too tired to tunnel right now...In post 394, Chip Butty wrote:Lol he didn't answer your questions. Now you can go into tunnel mode.In post 385, Mathdino wrote:noIn post 383, mutantdevle wrote:Math can you just clarify the following questions
Why are you defending yourself against I point that we have already nullified due to my poor logic in making it? Like seriously, I pointed out my own flaw in the argument I made here. This point would only be valid if mafia knew the outcome of the switches. I don't really understand why you'd need to bring it up?In post 415, Lalendra wrote:Except I moved my vote to Bins as a result of his claim...I wasn't even considering her before, just Fitz/Sauce.In post 375, mutantdevle wrote:Also, notice that Lalendra didn't really react as though anything was revealed to her with Math's claim. As scum, she would know that math had no way of knowing if bins was scum or not and as a result, the claim would not have affected her reads.
You mean watcher right?In post 442, Not_Mafia wrote:Guys, I have a confession, I'm actually the Town Tracker, I tracked Maxous to Jodaxq
That sounds sarcastic to the point of rejectionIn post 446, havingfitz wrote:Ha.In post 443, mutantdevle wrote:Fitz knows what I'm talking about.
Probably yeah. So the SK killed Lalendra. The kill could be random but I'd assume the SK would kill based on who they felt most threatened by.In post 486, Not_Mafia wrote:Vig killed Raya, it's obvious
If this is true, then the SK is either Fitz or Sauce; out of the 2, I'm more inclined to believe it would be Sauce. I'm not so certain it was a threat elimination kill though since Lalendra was reading them specifically as scum buddies rather than individual scum. Furthermore, Lalendra wasn't exactly the most vocal townie so I don't understand too much as to why she would be seen as a threat. Regardless, FoS on both of them.In post 489, mutantdevle wrote:Probably yeah. So the SK killed Lalendra. The kill could be random but I'd assume the SK would kill based on who they felt most threatened by.In post 486, Not_Mafia wrote:Vig killed Raya, it's obvious
Could you elaborate on your logic here? Obviously I am glad that you think this but I did defend and buddy Bins a bit so it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to conclude we share the same alignment. I don't see how my interactions with Bins would make the opposite unlikely unless you are going by the logic that scum wouldn't so openly associate with each other like that.In post 492, Maxous wrote:All I'll say is I think mutant is unlikely to be a scumbuddy
Let's not start that again Chip Being wrong about things doesn't make someone a VI.In post 495, Chip Butty wrote:Oh yeah, and the recurring question: Is Mutant scum or VI, or both?
Not when the cop is dead...In post 505, Sauce wrote:Cop switch was the most valuable scum role.
When I read this post I was heavily confused because I was just thinking "when did I ever say the SK shot the cop? I literally do not say that anywhere". I had to re-read my post 3 times before I realised I had accidentally used the word 'mafia' rather than 'SK'. I was heavily tired at the point of making both of those posts (I posted each of them at almost 2 AM if you don't believe me). So in reality, I was making no assumption in my original post as I simply just used the wrong word. My second post was realising that ofc Raya was shot by the vig since Lalendra was heavily considered town and Raya was considered scum. This is also something that I did not fully process at the time due to tiredness.In post 516, Almost50 wrote:I don't like these two quotes. First, mutant appears to be sure the SK shot the Cop (means the SK in immune to Mafia shots and not Town action). Then he realizes his slip and corrects it in the second quote stating the SK shot Lalendra which directly contradicts his first "assumption".
Unless they felt threatened by Lalendra, which would point to Sauce or Fitz. But I'm not going to blindly follow that since I fail to see how Lalendra could be a threat at all.In post 527, Almost50 wrote:Lalendra, which -again- makes no sense as a SK target,
I'm not voting Chip because I don't see a case on him (You never explained why you are scum reading Chip?). I am not voting you because you are my strongest town read. And I'm not voting N_M because he isn't my strongest scum read. In general, I just don't tend to vote until the second half of each day.In post 529, Almost50 wrote:The question is why is your vote not on Chip (or me or N_M if you don't TR one of us)? Or do you believe the whole wagon on Bins was all town??
In post 529, Almost50 wrote:However, IF I chose to trust you here then I have to vote Chip.
In post 529, Almost50 wrote:This only leaves Chip (5th vote) and you (6th) to suspect for the usual busing partner.
In post 544, Almost50 wrote:One of Chip/mutant is MAFIA. The other could either be Town or the SK.
Maxous/fitz also have one Mafia in them. The other could be the SK or a Townie.
In post 545, Almost50 wrote:Between Chip and mutant I think I'm more suspicious of Chip still.
What happened to change your mind about the scum being (me OR chip) AND (maxous OR fitz) to (me OR maxous OR fitz) AND (chip OR sauce OR elmo)?In post 552, Almost50 wrote:One of fitz/mutant/Max is scum + one of you/Chip/Elmo.