Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Mathdino]

Also, in a very friendly way, screw you A50 for thinking that Jay breadcrumbed vig at all.

Or screw Jay for breadcrumbing vig as a VT in the first place?

Upon reflection (and I'm just assuming vig doesn't exist now because they didn't cc Jay), the most likely scenario is that mafia killed Jay and SK killed A50. Reason being that SK has a 1-shot BP and vig hanging around is much more likely to hurt mafia. Mafia on the other hand is actively afraid of vig. Especially after we have him leashed.

Also doctor doesn't exist because doctor would be on Jay. I might write up a few calculations on the mafia team distribution as a result of that. My hope is that Tracker is our only PR so we only have 1 more mafia to catch.

The most obvious culprit of A50's kill would be Una. I would be willing to examine Una's play from the perspective of SK hunting. Not yet but later. For now, my townread stands.

The second most obvious A50 killer would honestly be me, because A50's flip would stop people suggesting Math/A50, and it would leave me as one of few town leader types left.

So then it stands to reason that, because I believe Una and I are both town, the SK did the kill either
A. To frame one of us.
or
B. Because they were afraid of A50 later on.
or
C. Both.

I'm beginning to realise why I hate NKA. I'll analyse A50's ISO for signs at some point.

I did look for a breadcrumb in A50's ISO and I found nothing. One of these days I'm going to start looking out for that as town. If anyone finds a breadcrumb, my entire NKA is bunk.

[Mathdino]

Also, as a preemptive to claims that I'm SK being all cheeky with the "WELL WHAT IF HE'S SK SUGGESTING HE'S SK", I just wanna shut that down and say:

I'm not playing like an SK. I'm playing in a way that gets me shot all the time. Because of this playstyle, I've never made it to a mini LyLo as town (only ever made it in micros, and scum only needs 2 shots to get to LyLo). I'm townread by everyone except like 3 and I think I'm the most active player in the game. That's practically asking to either get JK'd or shot.

This argument doesn't apply to the possibility of me being mafia, obviously, as potential mafia-me doesn't know whether or not SK exists.

[havingfitz]

I agree with Math that Impede is likely town. Not so much for the competing wagon to Creature but more so for the L-2 vote he put on Creature and stayed committed to. IMO a bus is either going to be early with jumps on and off a few times (ex. momo) to hope for other alternatives or a late hop on for credit (ex. RedFlavor).

I like Srceenplay. I don't care for him in this game. He feels different.

Would a policy lynch for pagetops be frowned on? Because sheep is annoying with the useless posting. Not the haha jokey joke kind of annoying...the seriously annoying as fcuk kind of annoying.

I agree Jay did well drawing a kill. If he hadn't fakeclaimed he would have been a mislynch so we can thank him for getting Creature. He could be a Vig kill if there is a Vig in the game. Though if he was a Vig shot Jay's lie wasted the Vig's shot.

I don't recall anything changing my mind on Kop. Still have him as town. Would need a good case put in front of me to change that read I think. Still tr'ing Math. Hawk seems town. If Impede is scum bravo for the quality bus...I tr him for his Creature participation.

I think I was tr'ing Una...might need to relook him over.

My lynch pool is Srceenplay, RedFlavor and maybe momo (need closer look). In that order.

VOTE: Srceenplay

[Srceenplay]

I like Srceenplay. I don't care for him in this game. He feels different.

Tell me about those feels.

[yessiree]

VC 2.1

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Mathdino (1) -

Srceenplay

Kop (1) -

Mathdino

Srceenplay (1) -

havingfitz

Not voting

- momo, RedFlavor, sheepsaysmeep, Kop, UnabombaH, Hawk, Impede

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-01-23 20:00:00)

[UnaBombaH]

After reflecting for a moment, I think we go to VOTE: Mathdino.

A50's ISO doesn't seem to have anything resembling a crumb towards him being a Tracker, however..there is the off chance scum thought he really was the hider.
A50 hypoclaimed to hide behind Creature who was the lynch, and I don't think he ever claimed a 2nd target(?).

So scum could kill him off and there would be no risk for them being implicated.
Based off of this (and the kind of thinking I feel like the kill-decision took,) I'd say Mathdino killed A50.
The off-chance is that someone tried to frame him (read his previous post), but him saying that I'm the primary suspect for it is bullshit. (the only scenario where I killed A50 is the one where I'm a vig, never as scum)
Math was also "soft-defending" A50 D1, and his playstyle fits that of a buddying SK very well.

havingfitz is still a townread for me, same as Impede.
I'll try to sink in on sheep/Red next, but I feel like they are very difficult to read ever.

[havingfitz]

@Srceenplay...you just feel off to me. You haven't been lurking or anything...I just find your posting style to be different than my recollection of other games we've shared. Less effort? More terse? I don't get the Math push....I need to look those reasons over again.

My mafiascum priorities the next day or so are somewhere else. I'll refresh my thoughts on this game nlt this weekend. I want to look my other lynch pool players over more closely as well.


@Una...you mention A50 was perhaps targeted because someone thought he was a hider. Wouldn't they have targeted who A50 was supposed to hide behind if they wanted him out and get a twofer at the same time? If A50 actually WAS (i.e. had been) the hider, targeting him would have got his shooter/s nowhere.

[Hawk]

@Srceenplay...you just feel off to me. You haven't been lurking or anything...I just find your posting style to be different than my recollection of other games we've shared. Less effort? More terse? I don't get the Math push....I need to look those reasons over again.

My mafiascum priorities the next day or so are somewhere else. I'll refresh my thoughts on this game nlt this weekend. I want to look my other lynch pool players over more closely as well.


@Una...you mention A50 was perhaps targeted because someone thought he was a hider. Wouldn't they have targeted who A50 was supposed to hide behind if they wanted him out and get a twofer at the same time? If A50 actually WAS (i.e. had been) the hider, targeting him would have got his shooter/s nowhere.

I thought you didn't play a lot on weekends Fitz...
Did you and creature decide to be the most apathetic scum pair ever and see if town tears itself apart??

A50 hypoclaimed Creature as his hider target. So as far as Mafia knew they didn't know where he was hiding so shooting him would be the best chance tonight. Also Mafia would know if their is SK or not based off their role thread so shooting at a hider and missing would be fine cover if SK shot elsewhere

[Hawk]

Actually wait no I'm wrong... Mafia wouldn't know if there is SK, I can't read these damn setups -_- I assumed that there was no 3 or 2 setup with both SK and 1shot bus but there is.

[Mathdino]

What? No. Is everyone playing lazy?

At the very least Una and Hawk's total ignorance implies town because they'd have had time to talk about this last night.

We agreed that regardless of who we lynch, we'd "close the loop". That is, whoever claims they'll hide behind Creature will instead hide behind Creature's target.

Creature claimed he'd hide behind Hawk so that means A50 should've hid behind Hawk. He made a post earlier indicating that he completely understood this and I made a post directing all the hiders in twilight. I see absolutely no reason to believe he'd diverge from his plan.

So either BOTH scum didn't realise this or talk about it at night, or Una/Hawk are both town.

[Mathdino]

okay that also clears fitz

the question is do i believe that both mafia would be this lazy in their PR hunting

i'm amazing at PR hunting so i know i wouldn't but i legit don't know what people do as mafia without me

hmmmmmmmm

Okay so if I include all 3 of you in my townbloc that makes {me, Una, Hawk, fitz, momo} with outside nulltowner {Impede}. Creates a lynchpool of 4. {Kop, sheep, Screen, RedFlavor}.

Not satisfactory yet but this is actually a great start.

If anyone thinks that BOTH mafia are in {Una, Hawk, fitz} please say something

[Srceenplay]

Anyone ever play with Mathdino before?

[Mathdino]

momo (ongoing)
fitz (ongoing)
UnaBombah (ongoing and not at the same time)
sheep (i replaced him + ongoing)
A50 (ongoing and I will talk about this one later)
Kop (ongoing)
Impede (ongoing)
RedFlavor (ongoing)

i guess you could say that, yeah
no completeds tho

[Mathdino]

oh wait yeah jay was the only one who's played with me in a completed game before

but also jay knows nothing about my meta and thinks that my town meta is to lie and do nothing because he lynched a guy while i was still coming up with reads as innocent child

[Srceenplay]

Not helpful

[Impede]

VOTE: Mathdino

Off to sleep.
Told you he was the town scum leader.

i like that popin

Dumb. Dumb af. Math may as well be conftown. What’s your case?

[Impede]

VOTE: Mathdino

Off to sleep.
Told you he was the town scum leader.

i like that popin

That popin was eh.... Assemble looked bad... Screenplay didn't look better... But I will admit Dino has felt very awkward since the hammer, and I was expecting him to be dead...

Pedit: I'm probably going to sleep soon as well I got work in the AM and it's 11 here.

If I’m Scum PR-hunting, I don’t touch Math. He’s hardcore towning. Not exactly PR trying to lay low.

[Mathdino]

Dumb. Dumb af.

Math may as well be conftown

. What’s your case?

WAIT NOPE DONT DO THIS TO ME DUDE I DONT WANNA GET PARANOID ABOUT YOU

explain this

if it's literally just because you townread me that doesn't make me conftown

also give me a scumteam

Edit: are you rolefishing me now what

[sheepsaysmeep]

i dont have to agree to like the popin

[Srceenplay]

Math may as well be conftown.

What’s your case?

Bolded sums it up for me.

I’m open to think otherwise but it’s hard.

[Mathdino]

VC 1.17

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Creature (4) -

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor, momo, Almost50

Assemblerotws (3) -

Mathdino, Impede, Hawk

Impede (2) -

Kop, havingfitz

JaydragonKing (1) -

Assemblerotws

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

RedFlavor (1) -

sheepsaysmeep

Not voting

- Creature

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

I'm willing to bet, based on the trajectory of the day, that bussing isn't going on here.

That indicates to me that there's scum in {Assemble, Impede, Hawk}, scum in {Creature, RedFlavor, A50}, and then a final scum that's been in our townbloc the whole time. Probably someone in {Impede, Kop, fitz, Una}.

oh yeah and highkey though this probably still holds weight

caught the scum in {Creature, Red, A50} and i await momo's explanation for why CREATURE AND REDFLAVOR ARE DEFINITELY SCUM TOGETHER

but like, it's probably kop and screenplay honestly

can we get more kop votes pls

[Hawk]

Sure VOTE: Kop.

[Srceenplay]

Math,
Summarize Kop and Fitz for us.

[Mathdino]

Fitz is probably actually town. If you still want me to explain why he could be scum (or why I'm pretty sure scum's in {Kop, fitz}) lemme know.

Found this last night and this is a major pointer because I think I've found something that Creature wouldn't do intentionally. His apathy makes it unlikely to me that he was putting much effort into distancing.

3- According to you, you have been working by PoE. Who do you still have in your lynch pool after removing your Town leans?

I agree with the townblock besides Hawk, so that leaves RedFlavor, Assemble, Kop, you, UnaBombaH and Impede. I'd probably remove Impede by myself.

momo town
Creature town
RedFlavor can be lynched
sheepsaysmeep town
Srceenplay town I guess

Kop null

Almost50 paranoid of
UnaBombaH seemed town
Hawk I remember not liking
havingfitz I remember townreading, but not sure now
Impede I haven't decided yet
Mathdino town
JaydragonKing town obviously

this is very clearly horrible, Kop is his ONLY nullread but is also in his lynchpool

anyway that's the only mention of Kop in creature's ISO but i'll get to Kop himself in a sec

[Srceenplay]

I’m not asking for Poe or anything like that.
I’m asking for your opinion. Town null scum. Describe their play. What do you think about THEM.