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@MOD if you know how to spoiler this without ruining the other spoilers please do so
for the rest of you i'm sorry.
also i'm not giving reasoning for any of these, so don't ask.
miller claim + this post = locktownIn post 12, Creature wrote:Forced.
Null.
Alright...In post 4, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm bready to playGenuine.
Smocaine-Indicative.
Null.
Meh.
You-tried.
Bad,
Forced.In post 11, drealmerz7 wrote:how about get baked with me?
hmmIn post 28, Gorkington wrote:i can pretty much promise you with some degree of certainty that with the two posts creature has already made in this game, hes probably never flipping scum.hard agree
i think scum reaction not sure, he took this way to seriously where town probably doesn't actually believe this read early game.In post 34, drealmerz7 wrote:
huh?In post 30, Gorkington wrote:creature cant post like that as scum.
what? fuck you're terrible at this game
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When you say "can't", are you saying you don't believe he would post that way as scum, or are you saying there's some other reason he physically cannot post a specific way as scum?In post 30, Gorkington wrote:creature cant post like that as scum.
Do you have any examples?
dreal + etl?In post 48, drealmerz7 wrote:
this post is meaninglessIn post 44, Smocaine wrote:Dreal's vote is bad
why do you think it is bad?
I think me and ETL are the only 2 players who have actually shown thought behind their votes
learn what bad means pls
this game can't possibly be this easyIn post 71, Fenraiser wrote:@Worm
RvS to answer your question.
I feel like I already explained myself with creature, so I'll clarify. Miller claims are either lynched early on or widely townread (depending on set-up in addition). It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.
I don't exactly see how playing off-site would help, but yes, I have played off-site more than on MS.
both of these are townIn post 72, Wormhole wrote:
I mean, scum fake claiming miller is a thing that happens day 1. He never got lynched.In post 71, Fenraiser wrote:It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.
And here's another day1 scum!miller claim that didn't get lynched for several days
I could prob rustle up some more examples, but those are the two instances I knew about off the top of my head.
So scum fake-claiming miller day 1 is def a thing that happens.
I do believe that it's town-motivated to claim miller early, as miller claims on later days are kinda dangerous, but I wouldn't give someone a townlean solely because of a miller claim on page 1.
And since we agree that both scum and town can claim miller, I'm not really seeing why you think Creature's claim here is more likely to come from town.In post 33, Fenraiser wrote:It looks nice, and while both scum and town can miller claim, I'm more inclined for the claim to come from town more than scum imo.
--swow that dreal wagon died quick and 4 people voted etl in a row. dunno what to make of it, but theres not more then 1 scum in those 4 (smocaine, creature, fen, mcmenno)
i could read this as trying to take pressure off etl, but that might be a bit confbiasIn post 150, Wormhole wrote:
(There's two of us btw. Me and BV).In post 98, Fenraiser wrote:I never said the bolded. Your parner (s) seemed to misread my earlier words regarding creature and the miller claim.
Fair enough. I read that as you saying that you thought miller claims were null, so I didn't get how you went from 'early miller claims are null' to 'creature claimed miller early, so he is a townlean'.
I guess I can kinda follow this, but not really? The context of your unvote is kinda bothering me, given that you make a post reaffirming your reason for voting Dreal (79), and make it seem there like you want more info about Creature's meta before you can determine if Dreal's suspicion is warranted, and then unvote before you hear from Dreal. The unvote really stood out as being really out of place given the context, especially since you didn't yet get that elaboration of Creature's meta and Dreal didn't post in that time.In post 98, Fenraiser wrote:Regarding Dreal, it's not that I don't realize he can have a different opinion, it's that I want to understand his opinion about Creature better, and that is why I've been asking him questions about Creature to clarify things. Initially, I thought he jumped the gun on Creature, but I looked back at his posts and saw that he voted Creature after Creature didn't say flavor after the claim and he implied that Creature strayed from their town meta. So, I kind of see the progression and I unvoted, although I wanted to see more elaboration on the Creature meta.
I don't get this. I don't think it betrays too much concern of how people see him, so much as showing that he's very self-aware of how he'd react as scum in that situation and why he wouldn't do that as scum. I don't really see self-preservation or worry about he's being perceived. This seems kinda reachy to me.In post 98, Fenraiser wrote:It does not ring well. I can understand if Creature was straight up scumread by Wormhole, but I don't think a null read can give this type of response because it betrays too much concern of how people sees himself/herself, albeit very slight. There seems to be a bit of self-preservation thrown in there as well in the bolded lines.
And you went from voting Dreal for having a scumread on Creature you didn't understand, to unvoting Dreal before you heard from him, to voting Creature with Dreal.
I dunno. The progression is weird and doesn't make much sense to me.
VOTE: Fenraiser
What does the bolded mean?In post 102, MisaTange wrote:the problem is
I was voting Wormhole, not dreal.
I ain't voting anyone that I don't think we'll get information out of.
You weren't. I'm nulltown on you. BV's concerned that you don't match the towngames he'd seen with you, but he's tending to thinking that you're town here. Neither of were scumreading you at any point.In post 124, Creature wrote:Where was I scumread by Wormhole btw?
I think she's v/la on weekends. Although the question mark post was a tad odd, I agree.In post 132, Smocaine wrote:VOTE: especiallythelies. This dude has 3 posts and voted someone for adding a question mark to their post. I think that's scummy as hell.
Spoiler:
It was never self-preservation in the first place, so I don't really get why you framed that post that way. Still hate your Creature vote; like I said above, I think that post is really reachy. And you ceding that point here is kinda weird after you made a big thing about voting Creature here for it.
Unfortunately Fykus prodges a lot and isn't super-high content. It also isn't AI for him.
I don't especially like how fast this ETL wagon built tbh.
--svery random
also kinda forgot i replaced into fen's slot while writing this so i may or may not of put some of fens posts in here by accident.
that's pages 1-10
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i know what you're thinking but i'm not that badIn post 566, Firebringer wrote:Dunker knows Fykus is town. Flash mob dunk now pls
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wormhole is commenting a lot on how they are talking to each other and agreeing or disagreeing in (i assume) a private thread or something, and it makes me suspicious because they could just be talking about it in the thread, them keeping in secret makes me think they're scum planning out what to say/do next.
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In post 687, Gorkington wrote:kind of disappointed that it wasnt a hammer.
wormhole are you opposed to this lynch?In post 688, Firebringer wrote:Is it really not hammer?- Dunkerdoodles
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ok?In post 782, Firebringer wrote:In post 548, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i would've hammered but i'd get quick lynched tmr and that's no bueno
still waiting on a claimThis is why people scumread you btw
Not just for wanting to hammer but being so self for one of not wanting to be hammer vote and thinking Fuji’s was a mislynch
You didn’t even bother giving a single reason for Fykus
i'm sorry?
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1. the tracker isn't confirmedIn post 867, Firebringer wrote:In fact I think a scum motion detector is highly probable and more likely than a town motion detector given we already have a tracker
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i don't understandIn post 957, Chickadee wrote:Since you suggested it, what did you have in mind Dunk?
if you mean my reads
i still think wormhole is scum but no one believes me
fish and gork both make good points on each other, honestly itfeelstvt but i couldn't tell
i think dreal could still be scum
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i'm also somewhat-confirmed role wise so
on the fykus thing, i probably worded it badly, so that's my fault. i ment to say if he does flip town i would be lynched most likely cause i hammered him. if he flips scum i obviously wouldn't be in as much trouble, i thought that was obvious when i posted it so i just said what would happen if he flipped town- Dunkerdoodles
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kind of agreeIn post 1003, Chickadee wrote:Part of me thinks we should just lynch Dunk, because we're wasting time focusing on him. But I really think there are better things we could be doing with our time.
like i'm trying to convince yall im town but fire isn't listening and yall seem to think im scum no matter what so
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yeah ik but they're still scumIn post 1047, Gorkington wrote:dunk.
read mcmenno's misa progression.
read it.
and then vote him.
because hes scum.
there isnt a world in which worm is getting lynched today. especially not without a case.
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lol locktown cause this is funny
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In post 1085, Fishythefish wrote:A confession: I'd misunderstood Dunker's role until he asked me how it was powerful. I thought it detected who went in or out, rather than just motion. So I think his reason for softing strong PR to draw the NK makes sense.[/b]
1. why the contradiction?In post 1087, Fishythefish wrote:So, where my reads are right now:
{Wormhole, Chickadee, Firebringer} - town
{Wheme, dreal, Smocaine} - weak town
{Gork, Dunker, McMenno} - scum pool
The main changes to that since my initial reread are:
- Wheme up to probtown for role reasons.
- I'm no longer anywhere near as confident as I was in my Gork read. His response has been pretty good - some points in my case I don't think are scummy any more, and he's feeling town in how he's approaching things right now. In particular, I feel like he's genuinely trying to work out what alignment I am in this argument. I still think he may well be a competent scum player who was exposed by a less skillful buddy.
@Firebringer:please could you answer the question halfway down this post about Gork's meta?
My dunker read is kind of complicated. I think the relevant things are:
- Possible slip in post 584 - moderately scummy
- Softclaiming - mildly scummy. dunk's explanation of drawing the NK is possible, but "scum avoiding the NK" is more likely
- Thinking his claim would get him lots of towncred - mildly townish
- Fenraiser's play - scummy
- Claim backed up by Wheme - I don't actually think this says much about dunk's alignment. But I'm waiting on Wheme to answer a question on that.
Overall, I think dunkers is a good shout for scum.
I'd like to hear what McMenno has to say about Gork's 1018. An early push against Misa, then completely ignoring her for the rest of the day, is a pretty good fit for a partner.
@McMenno- you said early on that you would "keep an eye" on Misa. How did you read on her change during the day?
So to summarise, where I am is:
- If Wheme's role doesn't clear dunkers, I think he's the most likely scum.
- Otherwise, I'd be torn between Gork and McMenno.
VOTE: dunkers
2. how does "scum avoiding the nk" make sense?
3. why are you voting a rolecop-cleared person
4. why would wheme claim rolecop to defend me if he was scum?
basically there are 4 scenarios
1. me and wheme are scum pulling an awesome gambit - i wish but no
2. wheme is scum whiteknighting me - also unlikely, scum!wheme would probably just let me die
3. wheme is telling the truth and i am scum motion detector - possible, but scum motion detector is a really weak role and doesn't exist.
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