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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:29 pm

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i dont know who to vote s:
omg
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Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:45 am

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omg
i think creature is town
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Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:46 am

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In post 8, Fenraiser wrote:VOTE: gorkington
Use RNG.
what is rng
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Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:13 am

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In post 21, Fenraiser wrote:Random number generator.
i got 8 what do i do now.
fen wrote: Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.
hes town in general beyond that.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:34 am

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i can pretty much promise you with some degree of certainty that with the two posts creature has already made in this game, hes probably never flipping scum.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:36 am

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creature cant post like that as scum.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:24 pm

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In post 39, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:are you saying you don't believe he would post that way as scum
this 1.
and that the content in those posts gave me gutfeels that hes trying to do something in a way that i dont think i would get from his scumgame.
examples:
scums - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73434
towns - viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70415

moral of the story is that creature will have a lot to live up to as scum here and im pretty comfortable saying "nah dont fuck with this shit" right now.

wheme's also townish atm.
fenn is my lamest townlean.
i feel weird about drealm, but i remember feeling weird about him earlygame during his last towngame so.
mcmemeo wrote:you heard it here first folks never lynch creature ever again
harharhar.
etl wrote:So.... my question to you would be, why did you feel the need to answer for Gork?
cause im just that cool
people want to help me out.
(:

im still waiting to find out what to do with my #8 tbh.

p-edit: because its probably townCreature???
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Post Post #55 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:26 pm

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nah.
experience means context.
its the main reason im not confident youre scum for your opening.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:29 pm

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understanding why someone has done things in the past gives you context for why they do things in the present.
i used experience to guide my read on xiao in protomen.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:31 pm

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lol.
you seriously want to go a combative route right now?
like, why?
why are you doing this if you want to have an actually fun game?
stop?
please?
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Post Post #105 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:21 pm

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VOTE: smocaine
In post 73, Wormhole wrote:@Gorkington, I played with Creature about four times now. We were both town all four times and each time, it was increasingly easy to solidly read him as town. I haven't seen anything yet that makes him scream town. I've never seen him as scum though. The two wallposts Creature made so far seemed very unlike his normal posting and I also didn't have the same reactions to the posts he quoted. The miller claim is null to me as it's easily something I can see being planned in the mafia thread. Can you say more on why you are townreading him?
probably pertinent to look at his scumgame.

the wallpost catchups are something ive seen from townhim before.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 pm

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im counterclaiming your softclaim.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:34 pm

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youre a cutesy person smocaine.
its too bad you rolled scum.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:48 pm

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thats dumb.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #14) » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:16 pm

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lol.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:30 am

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nah. im just not really into the game yet.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:35 am

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slow pace + i dont really have any good scumreads + the etl wagon is kind of boring when shes not even really here to respond to it.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:37 am

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ten pages later and im universally townread and you yet again eat it for calling my earlygame scummy.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:38 am

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for real, just relinquish your right to read my earlygame because you literally are wrong every time you try.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:39 am

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yeah its not that this is the same old song and dance that you do with me when you actually play the game and we're both town.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:40 am

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seriously look at any game we've both been town in and you actually played the game.
this literally happens every time and you always realize youre wrong in 5 pages later.
lol.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:47 am

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nope.
i wont be a shitter about it if you want to call me scum though.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 199, Gorkington wrote:
you actually played the game.
key part.
nerd.
mcmenno wrote:who should I vote gorkington
you want to sheep me after alisae's game?
:neutral:
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Post Post #209 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:51 am

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In post 206, McMenno wrote:can you not
i mean i was being kind of a dick?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 211, Firebringer wrote:Die in a fire made of cow shit
violent.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:59 am

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competing lame lurker wagons go:
VOTE: fykus
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Post Post #221 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:13 am

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thats probably fair.
you should see how much dumber my reaction was last time you called me scum during the earlygame in biochem.
it might be possible that im improving on not being a total piece of garbage?
maybe?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:28 am

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i give mcmenno a wagon and he decides to make weird jokes instead.
ok.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:54 am

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In post 238, MisaTange wrote:fire vs gork sounds a little too casual imo. but nothing to address immediately.
care to explain to the rest of the class why youre potshotting fire and i while also simultaneously sitting on no vote?

only reason im seeing for you not having a vote right now is:
misa wrote:I ain't voting anyone that I don't think we'll get information out of.
is there just nobody in this game you feel like youre going to get information out of?
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Post Post #247 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:13 am

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walk me through what your thought process here is.
fire and i are both scum because you think we're being too casual with each other?
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Post Post #249 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:45 am

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previous quote is kind of ambiguous and question still applies even so.

i dont get why she thinks youre scum if shes saying youre just scum.
i dont get why she thinks we're both scum if shes saying we're both scum.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:35 am

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some specific posts please?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:12 am

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fire wrote:Guys what’s your favorite anime?
im a big fan of ping pong the anime.
misa wrote:that your casual tone feels forced
fos fire for being too serious just to throw misa off the scent.
chick wrote:gork [though I did not like his entrance post]
wtf.
what was wrong with my entrance?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:15 am

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also, fykus hasnt posted in half a day and he promised a catch-up "soon".
depending on your definition of "soon", this may or may not make him a liar.

i dont know about you, but im not particularly interested in giving him a chance to defend himself.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:16 am

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In post 260, drealmerz7 wrote:I really hate miller claims from town btw I think it is a terrible way to play it so am just inclined to think it is a scum who is trying to get away with shit

I mean, what's to lose for scum doing that if the site meta is for town to claim it out of the gate

anyway, it's HOW creature did it that makes me scumlean him up through that point that I voted him, combined with his short answers in that wallpost that to me were just easy/convenient LAMIST comments, for the most part - toneread him scum really hard up through that, and the "ohyah I'm miller" is blehhhhhh
i think my biggest problem with this post is that you have to be town to think someone is scum.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:56 am

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In post 252, Wormhole wrote:
In post 219, Gorkington wrote:competing lame lurker wagons go:
VOTE: fykus
To be quite honest, I don't really understand the point of pressuring people who aren't here anyways.

He lurks a lot. It isn't AI. I've never seen him react to activity-based pressure.
just remembered that i forgot to respond to this earlier so:
i) there arent really any active options that i would want to push right now in general.
ii) you can still get information from a wagon even if the person doesnt respond to it, especially when both of the wagons were being driven for similar reasoning.
iii) this game's gonna have a lot of dead weight. im much happier dropping it earlier when it isnt going to hurt as much to be wrong. if hes going to be a lurksack all game then i have no qualms lynching him if most of the active people in the game are coming across as town.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:46 pm

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if it means anything
i dont think youre bad chickadee.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:48 pm

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dreal is there a reason you feel extra memey this game?
kind of feels like youre not really taking the game seriously which is kind of different from what im expecting from you.
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Post Post #340 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:30 pm

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oh maybs.
i can buy scumETL from what she put into the game so far.
i just dont think chickadee is inherently bad as a person thats all
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Post Post #343 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:35 pm

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jah
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Post Post #371 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:28 am

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glad we got that cleared up.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:05 am

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for those of you following along at home, the joke is that misa's thought process is still very unclear.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:00 pm

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cant check vote count on phone
imagine my vote is on chick
claim claim claim
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Post Post #409 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:28 am

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VOTE: chickadee
In post 401, Wormhole wrote:I'm having trouble believing that townread on me is genuine.
why?
smocaine wrote:I'm bussing my whole team wheeeeeeeeeeeee
i dont really understand the point of this.
every time you scumread two people, do you erase your read on one of them because you dont think they can be partners?
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Post Post #410 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:30 am

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In post 393, Wormhole wrote:*I may shortly become interested in the Fykus wagon; depends on how he answers my most recent post
or whatever answer it later.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 406, Firebringer wrote:You had me at rims
i had a dream last night that you rolled scum in this game and that you were trying extra hard to pocket me to make me feel bad.
i think you should apologize for what dreamyou did.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:50 am

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creature if you could dayvig someone right now, who would it be?
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Post Post #417 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:33 am

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dreamyou was mean af.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:34 am

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also growlithe doesnt have pockets, so, no.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #49) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:36 am

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i'd like to retract all of my previous posts, please pretend this was my original post:
is that me in your pocket or are you just happy to see me
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Post Post #421 (isolation #50) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:41 am

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fire what do you think about fykus/the fykus wagon?
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Post Post #423 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:53 am

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In post 323, drealmerz7 wrote:fykus is a good lynch

so is fenraiser

and mcmenno

and smocaine

yep
have your reads changed at all since this post?
can i get some reasoning for any scumreads you have right now?
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Post Post #457 (isolation #52) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:39 am

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vote: drealm

In post 454, Chickadee wrote:I'm modified loud, and in this case modified just means "fits the theme better"
this variant of loud was in rfb (which jj was in), not that the claim really needs anymore credence.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #53) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 468, Creature wrote:Fykus
drealmerz7
Gorkington

MisaTange
Chickadee

Whemestar

McMenno
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Firebringer

Creature

Wormhole (skitter30 + BlackVoid)

Fenraiser
Smocaine

PoE's getting thinner, scum better do something quickly.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:06 pm

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though admittedly i am kind of underplaying.
given the poe pool im right now, kind of not surprised as it feels like a lurksack scumteam.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #55) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:13 pm

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i think misa might be even harder to sort than fykus.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:16 pm

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drealm is fine for now.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:43 am

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lol
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Post Post #520 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:35 am

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kind of feel like we should be getting a fykus claim now.
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Post Post #624 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:45 pm

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no you dont.
guess who has a computer again.
yay
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Post Post #626 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:55 pm

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haha were you worried i was going to take it again jj?
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Post Post #628 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:10 pm

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oh no
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Post Post #630 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:22 pm

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told you
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Post Post #632 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:31 pm

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im alright.
sad i have to work tomorrow.
you?
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Post Post #636 (isolation #64) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:59 pm

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smocaine
how sure are you that not-giving-a-fuck-drealm is scum-drealm
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Post Post #639 (isolation #65) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:11 pm

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In post 637, Smocaine wrote:his response to pressure this game has been underwhelming
ya true.

whatre some condensed cases for fykus/dunker?
like 2-3 points that are easy to digest easily pls and ty.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #66) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:22 pm

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vote: drealm

lolololol ok
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Post Post #644 (isolation #67) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:27 pm

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will the value suddenly become volatile though?
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Post Post #646 (isolation #68) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:29 pm

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i hereby dub drealm votes:
shitcoin
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Post Post #654 (isolation #69) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:53 pm

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In post 651, drealmerz7 wrote:wow, you people play really stupid
at least we're playing.
:V
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Post Post #655 (isolation #70) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:55 pm

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In post 495, drealmerz7 wrote:egh

VOTE: fenraiser

let's just kill something
In post 510, drealmerz7 wrote:sure, somehow I missed important details, like deadline and the VC

VOTE: fykus
as long as the something we're killing without thinking about it isnt non-entity slot drealmerz, then we're not stupid.
:V
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Post Post #660 (isolation #71) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:08 pm

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pretty clearly posting that votecount for another reason.
lameass shade.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:58 am

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kind of disappointed that it wasnt a hammer.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:07 am

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i mean, im pretty happy with any of fykus/dunker/drealm being lynched at this point.
i just dont want to feel personally responsible for choosing which if we're wrong.
(:
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Post Post #692 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:39 am

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VOTE: vote: fykus
follow creature to victory.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:42 am

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In post 679, Wormhole wrote:thinks he's generally town although she doesn't like his interactions with Fykus.
have i even had interactions with fykus this game?

the floating by vibe is pretty reasonable to find distressing from me.
im having an off game and its quite unfortunate.
i hope you can forgive me
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Post Post #695 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:52 am

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im a one track kinda guy.
if im not tryharding then im probably not going to follow up on stuff im not interested in anymore.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:58 am

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if you wanted specific reasoning for why i started voting chickadee over fykus, i thought, at the time, that his catch-up was okayish and that chick's posts that he pulled up did seem a little overreactionary, especially considering that fire seems pretty town to me.

to some extent i feel like i just dont really trust my ability to read people atm so im kind of going with the flow more than i normally do.

p-edit: *shrug* im probably getting lynched at some point this game, or at least, im sure im going to get hardwagoned at some point for not being town enough unless we win early.
hopefully pressure from that will help me make it obvious that im town this game.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:03 am

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also, creature is probably the best player in the game gutread-wise fmpov, so fykus is honestly probably just scum.
i would probably be voting drealm otherwise.
and not even because i think hes probable scum.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:08 am

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In post 682, Creature wrote:How likely this is made of?
im pretty sure fire is town this game.
fyi.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:22 am

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its a pretty low content, low impact posting game so far.
which is arguably partially my fault.

i think the longer we push back the flip because we want to figure everything out, the more the game is going to feel like a slog and people are going to not feel like posting/parsing things.
sometimes you just have to pick a scumread and go with it and not worry about the fact that you havent figured everything out yet.
especially when it comes to making sure that the general state of the game isnt becoming shitty.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:35 am

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haha good one mcmenno. looking forward to your next post in two days.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:03 am

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must be having an off month i guess.

haha mcmenno yeah every month is an off month good one.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:45 pm

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okay i will investigate gork for you.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:46 pm

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for some reason i was under the impression that my kneejerk gutfeels were actually reliable.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:00 pm

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and results?
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Post Post #756 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:36 pm

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might want to shoot someone else if you want it to work.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #87) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:37 pm

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sorry
but still might want to shoot someone else if you want it to work.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:16 pm

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why is wheme scum
what is your result from last night
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Post Post #774 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:17 pm

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In post 771, Dunkerdoodles wrote:wow look at that wagon form
obviously a scum wagon amirite
oh okay i guess you must be town then.
:v

you got your lame quickhammer after like 5-6 attempts yesterday.
do we get actual content from you now? or just stuff like this until the end of time?
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Post Post #776 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:23 pm

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worm wrote:I do think it's really weird that Dunker never even bothered to comment on the claim and just put down a vote
In post 694, Wormhole wrote: What I don't like with him is that he appears to be itching to hammer like anything that gets within hammering range (fykus and dreal); it makes me feel like he doesn't really care *who* flips or why, just that a lynch happens already. I also don't like the fact that he randomly kinda softed.

Also, did you notice that both dunk and fykus are tying you to a dreal lynch and are justifying the lynch because of your push?
control f in an iso really isnt all that hard.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #91) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:24 pm

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people are being frustratingly lazy this game.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #92) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:30 pm

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In post 780, Firebringer wrote:Have any New Years resolutions my smelly friend?
i would like to stop being sick.
does that count?
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Post Post #797 (isolation #93) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:08 pm

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2shot tracker is a really weak role.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:34 am

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In post 791, Wormhole wrote:BV's also played with scum!you and thinks you match your scum-meta, but I'll let him explain that.
bumping this.
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Post Post #892 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:36 pm

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In post 851, WhemeStar wrote:VOTE: dunker
In post 858, WhemeStar wrote:Dunker claim
:thinking:
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Post Post #893 (isolation #96) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:43 am

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need to replace out.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #97) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:03 pm

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nvm i guess im still here.

work is garbo for today and tomorrow.
committing to reading more on the weekend/picking at fishy's stinkpiece on me.
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Post Post #949 (isolation #98) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:04 am

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fishyguy wrote:Gork's play around drealmer's early wagon is bad. Here, i) Gork townreads both of the wagon,
i dont really see the magnitude of any wagons, so no idea who youre referring to other than creature here. for creature, yes, having played with him, its literally trivial to parse his towngame from his scumgame. can ask other people in the game for confirmation on this.
fishyguy wrote:and says dreal's play is "weird" without quite saying it's scummy. Gork then asks drealmer to be less combative. It really feels like Gork wants to push the wagon, without getting into conflict with drealmer - who was playing aggressively at that point in the game.
i) drealm has admitted hes playing weird this game.
ii) drealm engaged me about OOG stuff, i responded, he responded [being a dick] and i asked him to stop. literally none of this has anything to do with me pushing him or scumreading him. kind of a lazy assessment of that interaction. there was no "wagon" to push while avoiding it. why would i even care about that at the start of d1 anyways when a lynch is probably not happening that early?
fishyguy wrote:I disliked the exchange with Firebringer which starts here. Gork is using his history with FB to push the latter out of a scumread, while simultaneously doing some buddying with FB. This really feels like something scum would be more likely to do; it's pretty manipulative.
i) i buddy people as town pretty often, especially people i like and especially especially people i like that i think are town.
ii) i wont lie that i was manipulative, but it was kneejerk and probably something i actually wouldnt do as scum because i would feel bad about it. i dont think about things before i do them as town. as scum im a nervous mess overthinking my every post. im not going to immediately go the bullying route if im being scumread by someone i consider my friend and firebringer and i have a lot of context outside of the game. pretty sure firebringer's townread on me is based to some degree on that? but i could be wrong.
fishyguy wrote:Gork fits really well as a partner for Misa. This goes in both directions, but for the bits which are Misa-driven, I just don't see her being a crafty enough scumbag to plant this link on purpose. Repeatedly, Misa is concerned about scumreads on Gork, in a way that she isn't for anything else in the game.
i was going to rebutt against this, but rereading back, misa does this literally once that i can see. so. not really sure why youre exaggerating unless you just want the case to sound better?
fishyguy wrote:Misa explains a post of Gork's for no obvious reason.
In post 37, MisaTange wrote:I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."
or trying to find something thats easy to jump into the game on.
fishyguy wrote:She tries to defuse a conflict involving Gork.
no idea what this is referring to, unless its the answer to etl's question to misa about the aforementioned post:
In post 43, MisaTange wrote:
In post 40, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 37, MisaTange wrote:I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."
So.... my question to you would be, why did you feel the need to answer for Gork?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯, though I think it could be more answering to me also feeling around for how Creature plays, and also this weird end-thought process of also "Okay, how so?"
might need to explain what you mean here more carefully?
fishyguy wrote:She comments on Gork's argument with FB, initially not picking a side and then voting FB when pressed - with no reason for preferring FB over Gork.
having a reason to have a vote on someone to seem like she isnt doing nothing? its not possible to you that misa took some noisy tVt shit and used it to try to generate some content as scum, rather than immediately jumping to "SCUM IS PROTECTING THEIR KIN!"?
i feel that stuff doesnt happen as often with players like misa? honestly i would probably raise my eyebrow in a kneejerk way too with misa flip in hand, but if you think about this, should probably not be that cut and dry.
fishyguy wrote:Gork then asks about this - but not for long, and doesn't really do anything about it.
does it seem like i really did much about anything in this game questionwise? ive been pretty fucked healthwise the last week and a half and burnt out to some degree mafia-wise. literally was not feeling confident about a scumread on anyone, which was pretty much a universal experience in this game. i would be surprised if there werent ten other questions that i threw at other people at some point during this game hoping to get a feel for them, which i didnt get something with, so i moved on. do it a lot as town. possibly less this game because its been a slog and wasnt at 100%.
fishyguy wrote:He later says here that Misa is "even harder to sort than Fykus". This feels really off; Misa had quite a lot that could be read, and it felt like Gork was prodding at it earlier.
I wouldn't expect Gork to be putting her in an unreadable pile at this point.
why not for the bolded? she wasnt answering any of my questions with any degree of actual substance or insight into her thought process. i generally get reads based on understanding how people think. i had no idea how misa's thought process worked at all.

i get the misa/me connection because its flashy and she made some awkward posts that have my name in them and i appreciate the big catch-up post so quick after replacing in, but you missed a lot context and not putting quotes in your case made it impossible to follow what you were saying at points.

im legitimately not scum this game and im hitting a second wind motivation-wise and getting better health-wise so im probably going to have the energy to make it more clear.

god firebringer im sorry this felt like a mastina post but i needed to make it.
forgive me.
q.q

if i feel up to it and work isnt fucking me sideways will try to do a reread.
if not this weekend is a for sure commitment that if i dont hold myself to, you should probably scumread me for stalling. or at least tell me you will so i dont slack anymore in this game.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #99) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:21 am

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also want to note that i made that post with a trackpad and running on 3 hours of sleep.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #100) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:29 am

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fishyfish wrote:I was referring to wheme and fen here; they were the two people voting dreal at this point, and you townread them both with no explanation.
kk, honestly forgot i did this. neither of the townleans had anything to do with drealm, was just that i thought, at the time, that they seemed okay when they entered the game. a little while ago id had a really solid streak of just calling out scum on page 1 from awkward tone [enough so that it kind of got to my head and it kind of made my play suffer for making me think i could just rely on my gut to some extent], so im trying to kind of change that but ill probably always be willing to toss out those early gutreads during rvs.
fishyguy wrote:The bit about pushing him and avoiding the wagon was this from post 52: "i feel weird about drealm, but i remember feeling weird about him earlygame during his last towngame so.". There were two votes on drealm at that point - the two people you had unexplained townreads on in that same post. I think you'd care about avoiding being on it to avoid conflict, rather than directly because you'd look bad on a lynch.
kind of confused as to why youre taking the comment as me implying drealm looks bad, when to me it kind of clearly states hes more likely town or its a NAI feeling that im having. i dont really understand why i would point out that drealm's earlygame is weird as town if i wanted to fan the flames as you seem to think i wanted to here?

honestly just feel like youre stretching to find scum motivation where its probably more likely that i would be scum trying to mimic my townplay, if that makes sense? i dont really understand why i would be worried about what the wagon is at the start of the day given that the first wagon of the game almost never holds. for context, i can remember the rvs wagon going to lynch one time in my very first game on the site. usually people use the first day cycle to completion.
fishyguy wrote:Misa concerned herself for no particular reason about:
- dreal questioning your Creature read aggressively on page 2
- dreal arguing with you about meta on page 3
- You arguing with Firebringer
She seemed to care much, much more about arguments involving you than about anything else in the game.
okay makes more sense with a little more context. her iso doesnt make some of these obvious. (and also, hot tip, if you make a case and you directly pull examples like this, it makes it really easy to understand what youre trying to say, which helps for me to pick at and for other people to understand why you think im scummy)

i guess my biggest response to all of the misa stuff in general is i dont really think scum generally plays the way youre implying they play like here? these are a lot of associating posts for her to drop about me. some of them are super blatant.
do you, as scum, focus entirely on your partners? have you seen people do that? i really want to stress this part. i know sometimes you feel like something is scummy, but if you stop and think about how many times youve seen scum do something, you kind of realize that it actually is more of a feeling than an actual general scumtell.

at the end of the day, misa probably wanted to seem like she was generating as much content as she needed to, to look town. she wanted to seem like she was scumhunting, so she picked fire and i's conversation because it honestly does look weird to anyone who doesnt know us and then latched onto it in order to drop a vote on fire and look like she had a read with reasoning behind it. if you think im scum with her because she had awkward interactions with me while doing so, thats totally fine, i just think its a serious stretch to think that misa would have been protecting me, given that i was definitely not in any kind of trouble.

if you feel differently still, wont press the issue, just wanted to make my thoughts clear.
dunk wrote:fish and gork both make good points on each other, honestly it feels tvt but i couldn't tell
[/quote]are you sure you read what i was saying? because im not calling fish scummy.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #101) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:10 am

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i have a better challenge:

list your scumpool with your reasoning for why the people in your scumpool are scum.

im digging into this game tonight and making notes.
but if i put a shit ton of effort into this game and get consensus lynched because people just felt like it im going to be pretty disappointed.
at least engage me if you think im scum.

fish and i just had a huge back and forth.
if you think im scum you can pick at it, ask me something about it.
do something more than just say people are scum. its really tired in a game thats 40 pages long.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #102) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:53 am

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In post 1003, Chickadee wrote:Part of me thinks we should just lynch Dunk, because we're wasting time focusing on him. But I really think there are better things we could be doing with our time.
why do you think im a better lynch than dunk?
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #103) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:51 pm

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In post 101, McMenno wrote:
In post 96, MisaTange wrote:UNVOTE:

Vote was from RvS.
do you think drealmerz was in danger of being lynched? just unvoting and doing nothing else seems counterproductive to me tbh

VOTE: misatange

not a fan
mcmenno wrote:at that point it's not a policy lynch it's just a fucking lynch. why add a superfluous "policy" there

I am fine with this recent wagon though I will keep my eye on misatange still

VOTE: etl
mcmenno wrote:who should I vote gorkington
mcmenno not coming back to misa here is really gross.

VOTE: mcmenno
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #104) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:03 pm

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if i think dunk is most likely scum when im caught up, then dunk's where my vote will go.

the three mcmenno posts are the closest ive felt to having a lead this game q.q. just let me have my moment.
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #105) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:09 pm

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not really.
you want dunk dead. is reasonable to want to push people to vote for him.

do you think the mcmenno posts are bad?
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #106) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:12 pm

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if you read those three posts, do you think he seems comfortable voting misa and unvoting her? do you think its weird that he completely forget she exists after his initial vote and unvote after he said he was going to keep an eye on her and the rest of her play basically devolved into avoiding/barely answering questions before just completely lurking out?

p-edit: thats what i felt too.
i think the followup and unvote is bad too.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #107) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:06 pm

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the accurate wormhole result would suggest the claim is real.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #108) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:23 pm

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firebringer, chickadee
wheme
smocaine, wormhole, drealm
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fish
dunker*
mcmenno

is about where im at right now having caught up.

both fen and dunk feel like players that i need to really sit with in terms of an ISO/metadive. the mechanics stuff with wheme kind of make me want to put this on the backburner.

mcmenno feels kind of like a slam dunk to me in terms of POE, his read on misa going from confident that shes scum, to "we'll wait and see", to never mentioning her again. reads to me like early distancing and the lack of follow-up just doesnt seem real for someone who finds something wrong with her play and then just never revisits it, which is especially bad when shes being floated as a wagon option.
rest of his play isnt really particularly notable. theres no real reason for him getting on fykus, staying on it and trying to keep people on it. his vote on dunker is pretty much the exact same.

dont feel like mcmenno and dunk are partners either, so best guess atm is fish/mcmenno, where i dont really have anything objectionable to say about fish himself, but i remember ecto's post about smocaine being a garbage fire of a case.
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #109) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:38 pm

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would have been a ballsy as fuck result to claim with nothing to back it up.
drealm hasnt claimed his target.
worm could have a role.
theres a lot of unclaimed players.
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #110) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:48 pm

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people are doing this thing, where theyre talking, but they arent voting mcmenno.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #111) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:53 pm

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i should have been asleep forty minutes ago to try to not relapse into being sick again.
maybe another time.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #112) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:54 pm

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dunk.
read mcmenno's misa progression.
read it.
and then vote him.
because hes scum.
there isnt a world in which worm is getting lynched today. especially not without a case.
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #113) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:57 pm

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get his results tomorrow after we probably lynch scum today?
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #114) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:59 pm

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if theres only one scum left does it matter?
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #115) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:00 pm

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would shoot fish first personally.
smocaine's etl push is ridiculously blatant chainsawing of misa to a point of it not really seeming possible.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #116) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:01 pm

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additional reading:
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #117) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:02 pm

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plus fish called ME scum.
CONFIDENTLY.
and that hurt my feelings.
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #118) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:09 pm

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this is why fish deserves to die.
for sullying my good reputation like the scum he is.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #119) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:11 pm

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i wish i had the gun right now.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #120) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:03 am

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In post 1064, Smocaine wrote:VOTE: Fishy Dreal is sus and the fact that no one wants to lynch him despite being everyone's secondary pick last phase is also sus. It's not happening, so I'm cool to lynch the Ectomancer slot.
dreal kind of seems better with the context that he was trying to underplay because of his role to stay alive. his play today has been closer to what ive expected from town him, especially the firebringer vote.
can you talk to me about mcmenno and the posts i pulled?
In post 1068, Fishythefish wrote:On whether scum play like this: I think most don't; I certainly don't. But I think it's a scum reflex to care about your partners, and that newer/less thoughtful/worse scum might have well focus on a buddy. It would be a quite a coincidence if Misa's focus on you was just random; and I think it's very unlikely it's deliberate to set up this line.
and why exactly is it not coincidence? like, seriously lets run through all of these interactions and you tell me how it doesnt just read like her commenting on the soup de jour?
In post 1069, Fishythefish wrote:Agree that Wheme and McMenno are lynchbait-y and easy pushes if town. I have serious trouble sorting that sort of player; in a game where I have quite a lot of townreads, they are going to end up in a PoE scum pile, but it's not a pile I'm happy with.
are you going to address the posts i pulled about mcenno? because just ignoring them, saying mcmenno is lynchbait and reiterating that im scum is going to make me feel a lot more comfortable thinking youre both scum.
In post 1070, Fishythefish wrote:Why is 659 scum? And why is this the first time you've talked about it?
its an appallingly bad assessment of smocaine's post. you have to not read smocaine's post entirely to not understand why he posted the votecount, which suggests that ecto wasnt reading or trying to understand anything and was just trying to push something that he thought would look convincing.
i responded to it initially thinking it was shitty. i just reread the game, (which you should know, given that i have been promising a reread/i just made catch-up posts that youve conveniently chosen to not really read at all) and i saw the post again.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #121) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:11 am

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In post 1018, Gorkington wrote:
In post 101, McMenno wrote:
In post 96, MisaTange wrote:UNVOTE:

Vote was from RvS.
do you think drealmerz was in danger of being lynched? just unvoting and doing nothing else seems counterproductive to me tbh

VOTE: misatange

not a fan
mcmenno wrote:at that point it's not a policy lynch it's just a fucking lynch. why add a superfluous "policy" there

I am fine with this recent wagon though I will keep my eye on misatange still

VOTE: etl
mcmenno wrote:who should I vote gorkington
mcmenno not coming back to misa here is really gross.

VOTE: mcmenno
reiterating because at least four people have checked in without talking about this.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #122) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:50 am

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In post 1069, Fishythefish wrote:Agree that Wheme and McMenno are lynchbait-y and easy pushes if town
actually i need to bring this up again.
how is wheme lynch baity?

im pretty sure most people are townreading him and the way he went about his claim was really really town.

why are you lumping mcmenno and wheme together?
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #123) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:39 am

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chick why is fish scum?
and what do you make of mcmenno's misa read progression?
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #124) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:38 am

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can you lay out your thoughts on fish?
if youre voting him and you want him specifically lynched, you should probably be pushing specific reasoning to try to convince people to get him lynched, otherwise the game is just going to take its course.

for mcmenno, does it not bother you that he never mentions misa again, even when people are considering her as an alternative wagon?
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #125) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:18 am

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i guess i should probably think harder about the possibility of scumDunk having scum-motion detector as a role with a town scum-motion detector fakeclaim.

for some reason i was thinking that him having the role would confirm him as town, but probably wasnt thinking hard enough about that.
fishy wrote:I agree it's an appallingly bad assessment of smocaine's post. But where on earth is the scum motivation for it? Weird-and-wrong != scummy.
scum dont have the same incentive that town does to try and actually understand whether someone/something is scummy or not.
ecto basically had to not read the post, just see that smocaine posted an old votecount without trying to understand the context at all and then case him/vote him. its really the casing that makes me feel uncomfortable. if he had just asked him why he had done that, then thats potentially just a misunderstanding that he wants to clarify, but instead it just comes across as trying to generate busy content/push a mislynch.
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #126) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:26 am

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fish can you link your most recent scumgame?
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Post Post #1134 (isolation #127) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:13 am

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@bv, it kind of feels like other than smocaine, 90% of the reasoning for your reads is role-based.
is there a reason that it feels like youre kind of copping out on reading me/fish/dunk based on our play?
because i feel like my recent play should be especially readable and it seems like nobody has any kind of opinion on it. i keep getting the impression that people are dismissing me into null or POE scum because "oh his scumgame might be good" when i feel like thats really weak (and my scumgame isnt really all that good).
also dont really understand why the possibility of dunk being scum motion detector with a town motion detector claim isnt on the table for you as a possibility?
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #128) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:14 am

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also also, if youve gone into significant detail on drealm scum before, can you point it out to me?
all im really getting from this last big post was that you dont like his claim (and some words on why you dont like it might be nice) and that you think his play is underwhelming.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #129) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:57 am

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In post 1136, Firebringer wrote:This is day one all over again
fire, if theres no role reasons to think that dunker is town, would you be scumreading him more than mcmenno right now?
worm wrote:He has an early push on Drealmerz
this also never really happened ftr. @bv
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #130) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:12 am

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do you think its possible that dunk is a scum motion detector with a motion detector fakeclaim?
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #131) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:15 am

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would it though?
if dunk's fakeclaim is the same as his role, then he would still show up as motion detector to wheme
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #132) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:20 am

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@wheme
, can you ask the mod whether it would be possible for scum to have the same fakeclaim as what their actual role is?
hoping he'll answer given that its kind of pertinent to your role.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #133) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:27 am

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In post 1135, Gorkington wrote:also also, if youve gone into significant detail on drealm scum before, can you point it out to me?
all im really getting from this last big post was that you dont like his claim (and some words on why you dont like it might be nice) and that you think his play is underwhelming.
mfw its literally on this page.
i shouldnt post when im tired.
forget i asked this @bv.
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #134) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:30 am

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(:
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #135) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:18 pm

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In post 1107, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i read fish vs gork as tvt too
what happened to this?
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #136) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:02 pm

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i like avatar
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #137) » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:30 pm

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you know that just saying that theyre scum isnt really compelling ya?
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #138) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:40 am

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i dont really see any reason why we should drag this out.
voting fish tonight.
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #139) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:17 am

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hopefully gg?
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #140) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:55 am

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rough slot to replace into fishy, but you played well all things considered.
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #141) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:56 am

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also thanks for hosting jj.
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #142) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:06 am

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i basically claimed when firebringer said he was going to shoot me tbh.
i didnt realize he was joking.
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