It was pretty much right after I hit post on
587. I don't know how the timezone conversion works out for what you see but for me that was 1:20 am. I figured at this point I was done arguing with you for the main reason that we are generating these huge posts that were increasingly looking like a town-v-town that was actually going to make it harder for us all. EG every time Sheep refers to one of our pages full of posts and goes "I'm not reading that" is a credible explanation for why any scum player can get a free pass on "Yeah I haven't been paying attention because Sky/Dino walls". I'd laid out what felt like my best "Look at this blatant scum posting!!" and it felt like nobody cared. So that was kind of the point of acceptance where I resolved, OK, I can't get a lynch on Dino, but maybe I can leave a big smoking trail and get my revenge in LYLO when players look at my alignment flip and go "Well sheesh, Sky was right, let's auto lynch Dino." That exact motivation is what created post 587.
The point that had me start to reconsider my position was in your
581 when you said:
Like I said before, had you asked something like "I'm getting a lot of interactive tells suggesting sheep is scum because 1. reason 2. reason, can you analyse their posts so I can get a second opinion?" I'd have been a lot more trusting.
I had read it and re-read it a couple of times because I was going through your posts for that 587 but that point stuck with me and even in my incoherent towny rage, I had to accept that this was a fair point. I had no response accept to accept that it was true but I was just too angry to want to admit it. So I sidestepped it at the time. I was more concerned with being right and winning the internet argument than proving you were scum.
It was in this mindset that I started looking for ways that I could 'prove' I was town. I thought that the easiest way would be just to post information from the private topic which would provoke a modkill. Then I thought well probably the mod would hide my alignment information anyway, and carry the game on as if nothing had happened. Then I thought huh, but with 10 players, that is actually LYLO.
So I started writing a message to Llama that basically said:
Hey I am considering a tactical mod-kill on myself. The way I would do this is to post a direct quote from our private channel.
The tactical reason is to force the town to be at LYLO now so that we can get all this drama out of the thread and focus on the game.
I realise this is rule breaking and probably a bannable offense but
And I couldn't complete that 'but' sentence. So I sighed, deleted it all, and went to take a shower. However the idea of self destruct was in my head and later on the next day when I saw I was at L-2, and Blade was giving me trouble because damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don't, I thought, well it doesn't really matter where I put my vote Blade will always see it as scummy, maybe I should put it on myself because scum would never do that in this specific setup.
So the idea was there. But I went to sleep troubled by your 581 because that struck a chord with me and I felt that, I hadn't really accounted for that properly. That's the feeling that inspired
This sense of entitlement, that they deserve a please and thank you, doesn't come from town.
in my post
614 when I woke up. I think you can see the tone of 314/315 is markedly different even though the message is similar to what has come in prior posts. Then your 617 comes and
I'm not reevaluating my read on sheep/Tora because I'm so far in that reevaluating them or unlocktowning them would completely unravel any semblance of a strategy I have.
And I thought "ha ha got you now motherfucker, that's gamblers fallacy! After all I've invested, finally it's all gonna pay off!" and I started typing and I thought wait a minute it feels like I've been here before. And then I had to go to work and disappear so I just said, well, I'll get back to you when I can (and I guess that is what this post has become).
I had 'invested' so much into a Dino lynch to prove I was right that he/Sheep were scum that I was continuing to try to invest to get an even bigger payoff, so to speak. However that horse was not actually in the race. At first I thought it was just because I was failing to pursuade a largely passive audience that I had the right ticket but as the game has increasingly gone on, and I was starting to have more doubt, I felt that perhaps the reason nobody was agreeing was because my argument was wrong.
At this point I was starting to pursuade myself to dis-invest myself from what I had 'spent' so far and this is echoed in the following posts afterwards, hamfistedly typed up on my phone. These were partly motivated by seeing my partner Diamond make what appeared to be the same mistake - we had spent so much of our time going after Dino and not really focusing on the fact that there were two other scum players out there, and even if we couldn't find scum, we could still try and town sort. I sat down in good faith in 672 to do a full deep dive in response to your post
665 but I am married and my wife owns me so :V
(I am not confident I can complete a full iso of sheep in the next 24 hours but I do have Australian Sunday afternoon free specifically for this purpose.)
So when I came in this morning and saw with dismay Diamond's posts, I realised, that player is still in the same righteous rage state that I was in 24 hours ago. When he said;
I'm convinced that a town that would mislynch me is just laying down and letting the mafia walk all over them.
I thought that this is completely the wrong attitude and is easily lynchable because appeal to emotion and holy damn that arrogance. I wanted to vote him! And then I saw we were at L-2, and suddenly I remembered my self-vote strat, and so that is how post
738 came to be. When I saw you had been engaging Sheep it was like my light bulb moment and I realised, I need to support Dino here because this looks like TvT to me now and the only way through is to work together. Hence my comment in that same post that my opinion of your slot had improved.
Well that's the whole Westside story. I realise it's a lot more than you asked for, and not exactly what you were looking for, but I hope it helps you see my train of thought and derive useful information out of it.
I've learned my lesson about not shitting up the game thread with giant wall posts, I'm spoilering this whole thing now.
