Mini Normal 1980: TwoInAMillion - The First Game(Town Win!)

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Sephiroth for using my love of the character to pull the wool over my eyes when you were scum

[Lalendra]

I don't think hes trolling but I also don't think there's an acceptable reason to put someone at -1 when you think they're town. Maybe he is a jester, who the fuck knows.

unvote, vote: flavorleaf

I think he is definitely a jester, if you look at posts 1 and 2. Otherwise I'd be voting him for putting Frogger at L-1.

[Lalendra]

Also UNVOTE: since my vote on Seph was just RVS.

[Lalendra]

Especially when half of them were to say that RVS votes were forced...it's RVS, of course they are. smh

[Lalendra]

Prodge. Will try to catch up and post meaningful stuff tonight... Sounds like I missed some epic raging

[Lalendra]

Okay, I'm back and caught up. Happy New year!

I don't like that stitch came back to a wagon and didn't even bother to comment. Seph, skitter and mulch all feel town to me based on limited meta and their reactions seeming genuine. Frogger also feels town, and transcend is too good for me to read right now. Null on everyone else so I'd say as of right now stitch is my biggest scum read.

Don't want to vote yet as I want to re-read and do an ISO first.

[Lalendra]

I was waffling on Mulch/FL but I am inclined to believe the neighbor claim. My first thought was that it could be scum using neighbor as a way out but I don't think FL would have come right out and said he just won a scum game with a fake neighbor claim if that was his gambit here (unless he felt someone would check his meta and pre-empted it by doing that, which is WIFOM but would still make the claim risky). My problem now is figuring out who is scum because I now have to re-evaluate their interactions with basically everyone in light of this new information. I was also thinking Seph might be scummy but I think that's just lingering paranoia and that his interactions with mulch/FL are TvT.

I'm glad Transcend at least recognizes that I am lynchbait, and scumread in every game regardless of alignment.

For now I think I'm okay lynching in Fro99er/stitch/CoA.

[Lalendra]

Woooow, okay why does every game devolve into this personal shit?

VOTE: Fro99er

p-edit: Clearly it wasn't bullshit since I just voted you.

p-edit again: Oh cool, Creature's your scumbuddy. Maybe my read changed because a lot has happened since I last posted that I felt you were town?

[Lalendra]

after I call BS votes me to "prove their read isn't fake"

I was already voting you in that post. Clicked submit, saw that you called my SR bullshit, and wrote the p-edit. So this point is incorrect.

[Lalendra]

She doesn't always operate rationally

Rude

[Lalendra]

FWIW, I explicitly do not believe the neighbor claim as stated. Namely, FL might be a neighbor, but I don't think Mulch is his neighbor if he actually is.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the mechanics but I'm not sure what you mean here. Isn't neighbor inherently town? And if Flavor Leaf is a neighbor, and mulch is not his neighbor, then wouldn't he call mulch out for fake claiming neighbor? I guess I'm saying I can only see this working if they are both scum, but you say you believe the neighbor claim which I thought had to make him town.

[Lalendra]

Like I think she actually might be this clueless/disengaged.

Ok you guys are mean

[Lalendra]

VOTE: uzi

Why? I TR both of you (LUV has redeemed the slot)
Also UNVOTE:

[Lalendra]

Thoughts on Stitch?

Scumlean. I could vote there. I'm just very underwhelmed.

[Lalendra]

Neighbors aren't inherently town.

Mulch has already admitted to not being his neighbor.

I only vaguely believe the neighbor claim.

Saw that after, I was still catching up. But now I'm really not sure what to make of it. Why would FL go along with it when mulch said it? Why did mulch say it? I'm so confused and it's SO much wifom.

[Lalendra]

why unvote?

your read didn't change on me did it?

Nope, was going for a reaction and I liked your reaction.

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, did you realllllly mean it as a reaction test? bh.

*nodding* no

[Lalendra]

So you decided to do a reaction test on a townread in the form of voting him?

I was scumleaning because I didn't like his interactions with Seph. He didn't react the way I thought he would to the vote so it tilted my read back. So I guess not a pure reaction test but that was essentially how it functioned.

[Lalendra]

Don't expect me to play like a pro, I'm clueless disengaged lynchbait remember

[Lalendra]

Honestly I was really trying before but no one takes me seriously + everyone scumreads me as town so fuck it.

[Lalendra]

pagetop

FTFM

[Lalendra]

It's not just you, I have been scum like twice I think and I am universally scumread/mislynched in pretty much every game just because of the way I play. It just gets old eventually

[Lalendra]

My problem is that my feelings are always genuine, I just suck at letting other people see the process inside my head. I'm very much a gut player and don't always broadcast it when my reads are evolving so I come in with a new vote thinking it's perfectly clear why I'm doing it and everyone (probably rightly so) goes wait, what

but anyway

skitter, you're basically locktown for me (please don't betray me thx) so what do you think of a FL wagon? I would be down for that.

[Lalendra]

Lil Uzi Vert CultOfAthena- Uzi is scum although athena was supre towny

...what

[Lalendra]

Okay I'm caught up but I really have no idea who to vote. I'm not getting super towny vibes from anybody rn and I have no idea what to do.

Someone who's town tell me who to vote

[Lalendra]

Someone who's town tell me who to vote

K, you die next.

I said

town

.

[Lalendra]

Okay I'm caught up but I really have no idea who to vote. I'm not getting super towny vibes from anybody rn and I have no idea what to do.

Someone who's town tell me who to vote

Hey Lalendra mind linking a town and scum game for me ty

Honestly I would have to go back literal years to find a scum game. You were in my last completed town game, 1963.

[Lalendra]

I feel like Lalendra is scum's designated mislynch for today.

Correct, and you pointing this out actually gives you town points because obviously if you were in on it you wouldn't have pointed it out. Also Transcend is definitely town for that rant.

[Lalendra]

+1 skitter. I really don't think Transcend is scum here.

Mulch can you explain your push on skitter? I'm not feeling it

[Lalendra]

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Why?

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

Leaning towards scum. Why do you ask?

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Because I couldn't tell if you suspicious of the logic or the player.

Unfortunately Stitch's ISO isn't as helpful as it might be otherwise given how few posts he has, but of the posts he actually made, a number of them were directed toward Yoshi. I've been uncomfortable with this slot all game so VOTE: Yoshi[/unvote]

[Lalendra]

skitter I townread you hard so tell me why they aren't? Yoshi is my strongest SR right now but that's not saying much as I'm having difficulty sorting this game so persuade me

[Lalendra]

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Why?

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

Leaning towards scum. Why do you ask?

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Because I couldn't tell if you suspicious of the logic or the player.

Unfortunately Stitch's ISO isn't as helpful as it might be otherwise given how few posts he has, but of the posts he actually made, a number of them were directed toward Yoshi. I've been uncomfortable with this slot all game so VOTE: Yoshi[/unvote]

Because a *lot* of people were calling him out as scum, and I could scum hopping on for the towncred once his wagon picked up again.

@Lalendra: I actually don't think those posts are partner-indicative tbh

skitter I townread you hard so tell me why they aren't? Yoshi is my strongest SR right now but that's not saying much as I'm having difficulty sorting this game so persuade me

You presented the evidence, skitter asked the question, now you answer the question.

What? Skitter didn't ask me a question. If you're going to misrep at least make sense.

[Lalendra]

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Why?

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

Leaning towards scum. Why do you ask?

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Because I couldn't tell if you suspicious of the logic or the player.

Unfortunately Stitch's ISO isn't as helpful as it might be otherwise given how few posts he has, but of the posts he actually made, a number of them were directed toward Yoshi. I've been uncomfortable with this slot all game so VOTE: Yoshi[/unvote]

@Lalendra: I actually don't think those posts are partner-indicative tbh

skitter I townread you hard so tell me why they aren't? Yoshi is my strongest SR right now but that's not saying much as I'm having difficulty sorting this game so persuade me

Ugh wrong quotes above, these were the ones i wanted to reference.

[Lalendra]

@lalendra: I was townreading yoshi for most of day1, although I dislike a lot of his posts from tonight tbh. I actually think that's an easy thing to townread someone for, and he was doing it to provide content, not to especially try to give a partner a townread. Why do you think they're partner indicative?

States townread of Yoshi, asks Athena how she feels about Yoshi, explains reasons for townread and brings Athena's attention to those reasons like he is trying to convince her to TR him.

[Lalendra]

Unfortunately Stitch's ISO isn't as helpful as it might be otherwise given how few posts he has, but of the posts he actually made, a number of them were directed toward Yoshi. I've been uncomfortable with this slot all game so VOTE: Yoshi[/unvote]

This is actually the worst thing I've ever seen. You ctrl+f'ed "Yoshi" in his ISO, saw my name showed up 12 times, and was like "Hah! Caught ya!"
No. That's not how it works.

How about you reference the push he made on me? Where's that quote?

Lol or I read his whopping 21-post ISO and realized that you were the only player who came up in roughly 25% of them (there was one more i didn't quote)

[Lalendra]

What? Skitter didn't ask me a question. If you're going to misrep at least make sense.

Okay, well, you posted those because you thought they were partner-indicative. You should be saying why it's partner-indicative instead of asking why it isn't to her, given you didn't explain it yourself.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree because i read that as a blatant misrep, like she asked a question i was avoiding when that's not at all what happened

[Lalendra]

Oh and i messed up my tags before so VOTE: yoshi

[Lalendra]

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Are you disregarding the possibility that Yoshi and Frogger are scumbuddies?

Yes because chasing associatives so early in the game is pointless. If it came to that it'd be better to lynch Frogger first anyway (who I'm not scumreading to begin with).

There were more so let me just respond to them all. Which one do you think "meant something"? This one, where he acknowledges Athena's suggestion that you could be scum but still expresses a preference to lynch someone else?

Also, 129 confused me for a second – I forgot Lalendra was in this game.

This reaction doesn't look real to me.

too lazy to quote this again but I agree with Athena's posts not having a lot of purpose. There's stuff like "I think Frogger is town as well, but the self-wagon is a poor reason to think so." that has no reason to be there, it's not like she's trying to start a conversation with it so its pretty weird.

VOTE: CultofAthena

This one, where he throws shade at and votes CoA after her saying she scumreads you?

Something about Yoshi's responses to it bothers me too but I need to look again

This one, where he half heartedly throws shade at you but never explains why?

I really need to stop avoiding this thread.

I've thought about it for a while and realised the part that bothers me about Yoshi is that they're very cautious with their posting. They always seem to have an alternative reason for why their conclusion might be wrong. This is something I think is more likely to come from scum because it gives them flexibility to bounce to a different read while still having some ground for it in the past and generally scum are more aware of the flaws in their cases than townies are (or else townies wouldn't be voting them). Their vote for Mulch in particular bothered me for this line:

I don't understand why you would blow up like this. This honestly makes me feel it too scummy to be scum, but this has reached a level past THAT.

It reads to me like Yoshi just REALLY WANTS to vote Mulch in this scenario rather than being a genuine reaction to Mulch's posts.

VOTE: Yoshi

This one, where he finally votes you

I've thought about it for a while and realised the part that bothers me about Yoshi is that they're very cautious with their posting. They always seem to have an alternative reason for why their conclusion might be wrong.

Honestly, that's just who I am and how I play regardless of alignment. I'm extremely self-conscious regardless of alignment. I won't always post what comes to mind because of what I can only call social anxiety. It's weird, that I play this game about communicating with others yet always feel nervous about sharing my thoughts. When I'm comfortable with a person or group of people, this isn't an issue, but the recent... emotion that has been conveyed through the thread isn't helping. I'm still relatively new to mafia (I think this is my 8th? game) and I am 16, and I know both of those characteristics tend to draw some unwanted attention.

"Are you fucking stupid? Blah blah blah"
Surprisingly, no one has really antagonized me for my age, but I feel like it goes through some of your minds when you interact with me, and it just comes out naturally because you're twice my age and I'm just an inferior teenager on his laptop sitting on his bed.

And some of you who have played with me may notice I tend to sheep often, and that's why. Not making an excuse if I tend to do it this game because I'm working on it, but... yeah.

Part of that paragraph came straight from another site where I played a mafia game (as scum albeit), one player here should recognize it. I used it because it really does epitomize what I want to explain. I don't feel like revealing the site though, so you'll just have to take my word and potentially the word of whoever played with me that game.

*takes deep breath*

Alright, rant over.

I'll take you at your word because of personal experience. Fwiw I didn't think you were a teenager or anything if it bothers you that much, don't worry about that. I would like you to explain why Mulch went beyond too scummy to be scum because that's the main part of your content that bothers me now. It feels like a very easy stance to take and I can't really see your thought process there. I can see later content like #705 as town though

Also @ is Stitch an alt I have offsite experience. This game is way different to main site stuff and tbh it's pretty hard to process when I ended up with more commitments than I expected. I don't really know how to respond to votes on me when most are pretty small to begin with.

FL, why would you ever play intentionally non-townie outside of concealing a power role (which you really aren't now). I don't get how the question to Seph was relevant to your vote on him. It was a loaded question where you could have voted for him after in disagreement by saying "yeah then if that's not your normal behaviour" and I don't understand why you would out that you have this very-townie-neighbour-friend but only halfway. If you were going to defend the slot outright it would be a different thing but I don't see what you would gain from doing this as town.

I don't care about Lalalalala at all. They haven't done much and what they have is null which bothers me because UCV is in a similar vote but asks questions without following up on them/drawing any conclusions which just looks like he's coming up with them as fake content. Probability posts are among the easiest things for scum to fake because they don't even have to lie a single bit about it.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Or this one, where you two have an utterly unconvincing exchange and then he moves his vote off of you?

[Lalendra]

Lalendra: I found these posts that may suggest Stitch and Yoshi are partners.
skitter: I don't see it.
Lalendra: Why?

Why is it scummy that I didn't give my reasons right away when i said the posts were suspicious, but not scummy for skitter to not give reasons when they said they weren't?

[Lalendra]

HEy Lalendra I need a town and scum game ty

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63531
My last scum game.

[Lalendra]

guilty lalendra...

still salty

[Lalendra]

/in if anyone here is modding a game, I only have one game going on atm </3