Micro 767: Spyro the Dragon Mafia - Game Over

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: rad rat
3 wagons consisting of 2 votes!

[UC Voyager]

Ok. Who still needs to post, so we can finally leave RVS?

[UC Voyager]

is this trolling or

trolling or what?

[UC Voyager]

. . .

[UC Voyager]

Exactly why are people so eager to townread Rat?

Garaputo maybe this is just your style but I think you're trying to cover up your scumminess with the jokey attitude.
VOTE: garaputo

That isn't a lot to go off of for a vote. is there anything else that you find scummy about gara?

[UC Voyager]

ew

VOTE: bu

this feels like a newbie game :/

can you explain this vote.

[UC Voyager]

yea. i kind of agree there.

he had not responded to my question. : p

[UC Voyager]

if you agree why are you not voting him?

because I only found the one thing scummy about him.

[UC Voyager]

UC Voyager is second scummiest.

agreement

Can you explain what is scummy about my posts?

[UC Voyager]

@garaputo, that's more of a function of me only having one completed scumgame than me being town.

by the way, i'm already townreading half of the playerlist.
VOTE: ucv

Then voting someone without reason. . .

[UC Voyager]

Then voting someone without reason. . .

you're obviously in the other half.

who do you think is scum, ucv?

If I had to say right now, bujaber

Tbh, I don't have any solid reads. I still have to sort people

[UC Voyager]

UC Voyager is second scummiest.

agreement

Can you explain what is scummy about my posts?

Stuff like spending time and energy asking people why they think they are scummy. Especially with no (now 1) votes/pressure on them. Scummy people tend to worry more about how scummy they are.

I also can't figure out a reason you would need more evidence of scumminess to move your move to BuJaber.

A. im just scum hunting right now. im not concerned about how scummy i am! imo, you are reacting a lot to questions
B. it is page fucking 3. why would i be voting on page three when RVS Is over? especially with only a post or two i find scummy!

[UC Voyager]

garaputo, why are you acting so different compared to your completed towngames?

what is different

[UC Voyager]

UC Voyager is second scummiest.

agreement

Can you explain what is scummy about my posts?

Stuff like spending time and energy asking people why they think they are scummy. Especially with no (now 1) votes/pressure on them. Scummy people tend to worry more about how scummy they are.

I also can't figure out a reason you would need more evidence of scumminess to move your move to BuJaber.

A. im just scum hunting right now. im not concerned about how scummy i am! imo, you are reacting a lot to questions
B. it is page fucking 3. why would i be voting on page three when RVS Is over? especially with only a post or two i find scummy!

A. Okay. But you literally were asking what is scummy about your posts.
B. I don't know. I'm voting you to find out more about your philosophy about mafia to determine the reason behind your actions and inactions. Why aren't you asking why we are voting on "page fucking 3" if it's a ridiculous thing to you?
C. Do you curse often or did I hit a nerve?

C. meh. depends. you didn't make me mad or nothing! I just felt like it made the sent enc more . . .complete.

[UC Voyager]

UC Voyager is second scummiest.

agreement

Can you explain what is scummy about my posts?

Stuff like spending time and energy asking people why they think they are scummy. Especially with no (now 1) votes/pressure on them. Scummy people tend to worry more about how scummy they are.

I also can't figure out a reason you would need more evidence of scumminess to move your move to BuJaber.

A. im just scum hunting right now. im not concerned about how scummy i am! imo, you are reacting a lot to questions
B. it is page fucking 3. why would i be voting on page three when RVS Is over? especially with only a post or two i find scummy!

A. Okay. But you literally were asking what is scummy about your posts.
B. I don't know. I'm voting you to find out more about your philosophy about mafia to determine the reason behind your actions and inactions. Why aren't you asking why we are voting on "page fucking 3" if it's a ridiculous thing to you?
C. Do you curse often or did I hit a nerve?

C. meh. depends. you didn't make me mad or nothing! I just felt like it made the sent enc more . . .complete.

D. i also can't type to save my life!

[UC Voyager]

Exactly why are people so eager to townread Rat?

Garaputo maybe this is just your style but I think you're trying to cover up your scumminess with the jokey attitude.
VOTE: garaputo

Are we planning on lynching today?

I'd assumed Kublai would be doing the desperado thing since it only works today.

Let's go with you.

VOTE: Radical

The post I quoted makes me think he's scum. I want to encourage the pressure on him and possible lynch.

Can someone explain the town intention here?

I mean. The rest of his posts show no scum hunting or town hunting either.

[UC Voyager]

This is fair
UNVOTE: rat it was RVS
VOTE: Bu

[UC Voyager]

In fact
VOTE: BU

[UC Voyager]

Meh. That doesn't make up for the fact that he has done no scum hunting or town hunting. Also the fact he keeps pushing lynches and barely explains why.

[UC Voyager]

i wonder why

[UC Voyager]

it only works day one.

[UC Voyager]

with no nights, i do not see the harm in mass claim. it would only narrow down our lynch pool

[UC Voyager]

I still wanna lynch bu

reasoning 101 lol

[UC Voyager]

Same argument. Unless you are scum, you have no idea what the scum know or don't. The mod has explicitly stated "Power Roles were decided by flavour, VTs were then randomised from a list of characters, the left over characters were then given to scum as fakeclaims,
it is impossible to break the game via flavour"

Okay. That quote doesn't support your argument.

Once upon a time way back in the early days mods would design games around a theme where the good characters are town and the evil characters are scum. As a way to get the benefits of massclaiming but reduce the downsides, clever players suggest a mass flavour claim. So everyone would claim what character they had (keeping their role secret). Mods didn't care for that since it broke their games, so one way to stop that was to do what Not_Mafia did.

Massclaiming is a valid tactic, but the downside has to be acknowledged.

In your best case scenario, the town tell the truth, the scum lie, and pick bad lies. Even in that best case scenario the scum gain more correct information than the town does.

Okay, right. Succinctly put. But in the worse case scenario, scum still has more information than town does. So, that's moot.

Here's the wrinkle: I am an Innocent Child, but I'm also a Day 1 Desperado. What that means is that I'm a Day 1 Dayvig. If I vig scum, then I survive and continue. If I vig town, then I die instead. I can only vig Day 1 and if I don't, then I also die along with the lynched (town or scum).

I've been selfish in wanting to mass claim because I think it gives me more information. I don't need any votes to pressure anyone to go along with the plan, but I think it's a waste to vig based on playstyle/philosophical differences. I wanted to debate the plan before claiming because I thought I could have more honest discussion, but both Wisdom and garaputo seem entrenched in a counter-position. Which could be either for philosophical differences or because they fear claiming badly as scum. garaputo seemed at least willing to engage, although not totally convincingly.

Alisaes French Maid stayed out of discussion, then diplomatically sat the fence. So that's pinging my scumdar as well but a lesser extant.
Radical Rat is coming off very town.
I'm very wary of UC Voyager's claim because it seems to be a check of sorts on my power. If someone gets voted to L-2, then UC Voyager could potentially speed-lynch town and kill me off as well. His claiming it unprompted is completely not-scummy through. So there's a possibility that he's actually town and it's a pitfall against competing aggressive town not co-operating with each other. Which pushed me towards the mass-claim plan.

Wisdom... well, he put up 3 terrible arguments against mass claiming ("stupid", "against spirit of the game", and "scum hide in 'let's claim' posts"). If deadline were tomorrow, then I'd be taking a shot at Wisdom unless he wants to abandon the low-verbiage shtick and explain himself.

UNVOTE: both
Why would I speedlynch?

[UC Voyager]

because youre shallow and think posting means town

This isn't a Kingmaker game.

Why would I speedlynch?

If you were scum...

Oh.

[UC Voyager]

will catch up later

[UC Voyager]

lol.

[UC Voyager]

hell yea. hard claim prod immunity!
now i want to do some DKA. day kill analysis

[UC Voyager]

ok. looking through AFM's iso. they town read radical rat. that was earlier, so im not as confidante in that eing AI for rad rat. I think that gara is probably town based of the DK. and i might want to iso a few other people and look for interactions

[UC Voyager]

OKAY guys. gets your heads out of your asses and reads BU's case on me then listen to this.

im already suspicous of him. now he is after me. the double voter. also consider this

how OP would a day 2 day voter be with a day one double voter.

sanario. double voter hammers town
then day 2 day vig snipes double voter and is "conf town".


there would be literally no balancing that.

I think scum is in BU, radical,

[UC Voyager]

What I know about setup is that I had to publicly state my dayvig. Looking at Alisaes French Maid's role PM, she did not.

UC Voyager's double vote is accounted for by the mod (7 alive, 5 to lynch). Which means that we (as town) have to convince UC Voyager to go along with a lynch. If UC Voyager was scum, then it's really odd that we'd have to convince the last remaining scum to vote a certain way to get a lynch.

If UC Voyager is exactly what he says he is, then he is a VT tomorrow and we can deal with that later.

Right now, with the remaining time, I'd like to encourage a wagon on lurking Wisdom.

We did get that intensely powerful contribution when prodded of "here"

I don't know if we want to deprive ourselves of such insight.

Please explain what you mean

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: both on rad rat

I have explains my suspicion of him and believe this is justified.

[UC Voyager]

Beeboy town read the fuck out of rad rat. That is another thing

[UC Voyager]

Prod dodge.
I will get around to this game later.

[UC Voyager]

Because I've been playing a lot of games with UCV and may have mixed up his posts. It's a silly mistake and I feel idiotic and I understand if that means you can't trust me this game.

Yea. This makes since

[UC Voyager]

no. i only have one now.

[UC Voyager]

OK.
I am thinking i will vote wisdom because if this POE is correct. then it is either me or wisdom.

if wisdom flips town, i will have to do some serious rethinking.

my current reads are

Gara town

BU null

wisdom scum

and of course town read the IC

[UC Voyager]

OK.
I am thinking i will vote wisdom because if this POE is correct. then it is either me or wisdom.

if wisdom flips town, i will have to do some serious rethinking.

my current reads are

Gara town

BU null

wisdom scum

and of course town read the IC

VOTE: wisdom with both

[UC Voyager]

i dont see north in your list

north is null and your hammered btw

[UC Voyager]

oh am i? well lynch north and then bu and you should win

? i am assuming you mean you are town. . .

your not hammered btw. notice how i became a VT after day one ended.


your reaction was good

[UC Voyager]

obviously im town, duh

well then. i need to do some sirious rereading. I actually think that there is a scum micro managing this current POE.

so

BU
North
gara

i want to reread their iso's and try to find where exactly this POE came from because there is some serious bull shit with it

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: wisdom

Garaputo is next in case wisdom is town. Let's flip assumptions upside down.

way to set up the next misslynch.

Likewise garap. Yeah I've been townreading you forever, but that is what makes you dangerous alive if we don't lynch scum today, because you could be scum and the only way I'd know is through a guess or process of elimination.


This is frustrating. I get nsg's point. So I reread UCV's ISO. I should have done it earlier. UCV's ISO is lacking. His RVS vote seems too unrandom. From what I can see the only people he's suspected all game were Rat and me.
From what I gather there is also a meta change from his town game. Whether that definitely means he's scum I'm not sure.

It also occurs to me that just because I was wrong with rat doesn't mean I've been wrong about wisdom/garaputo. And it is very difficult to play if you never trust your reads/instincts.

Okay if UCV is telling the truth and town then he is just a VT now. So worse case scenario we hit another VT.

Because of how wisdom is playing his lynch will always be debated. So maybe we don't need to lynch him first.
Wisdom why are you suspecting nsg?

VOTE: UCV

okay guys. we should lynch UCV now that he is VT. because no it isn't a problem. . .

you would think if he thought i would scum, he would vote me when i had that OP ability

Ucv .. nsg ? Can you vote please?

wow. calm down. you don't need to rush or anything. unless your scum. then you would wan't people to shut up and just lynch people

Garaputo put your vote back. That way anyone can hammer. Normally time is on our side but people are only getting less interested in this game.

Also wisdom I don't think it's as black and white as you're implying .. scum could easiky lose interest when one of them is dead and there's a wagon on the other.


Pedit - yes exactly .. so gara moving his vote doesn't make sense.

continues to push lynches without trying to scum hunt or take any time

tbh we can just keep lynching until we win

scum dont seem like they can kill after all

My thought exactly, but does anyone else think if UCV is scum we're just screwed? I am not prepared to suspect him. With the exception of Khan and UCV, I will lynch everyone else one by one.

tbh Khan I wouldn't be shocked if nsg were scum, and it's not like wisdom will vote for himself.

hmm. i wonder where his 180 from me being town to me being scum came from. . .

VOTE: BU

[UC Voyager]

Wisdom's reaction was fucking gold. He gives a scum read and confirms he is town. Everyone currently voting wisdom should unvote.

My case works entirely in context.

The POE was total bullshit and it was formed by scum.


You are the person pushing us and where is your scum hunt. You just say "UCV and wisdom are lurking, POE". Lurking doesn't mean someone is scum.

[UC Voyager]

whatever. i'd like to hear kublai's thoughts, i might hammer bu after that.

@mod, prod kublai khan?

Wait so awesome people get prodded???? We got one hell of a IC here guys
Why would you do that ?

Because I'm awesome?

Sorry, was real busy. I'll get caught up this by this evening.

[UC Voyager]

whatever. i'd like to hear kublai's thoughts, i might hammer bu after that.

@mod, prod kublai khan?

Wait so awesome people get prodded???? We got one hell of a IC here guys
Why would you do that ?

Because I'm awesome?

Sorry, was real busy. I'll get caught up this by this evening.

Wait wait. A lot of formatting error.

"Wait so awesome people get prodded???? We got one hell of a IC here guys" was me. Not BU

[UC Voyager]

Hold up guys. Can we stop for second think long and hard about gara's band wagoning?

[UC Voyager]

if i did still have my double vote, wisdom would have been hammered. lol

fine. if you are going to lynch me have my reads list


town
wisdom
NSG
innocent child

scum reads
BU
gara

im not sure which of these is scu, but im pretty sure its one of the two

[UC Voyager]

this game makes me think "what is logic anymoe?"

[UC Voyager]

what is logic anymore