Mini Normal 1980: TwoInAMillion - The First Game(Town Win!)

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Transcend
Hi.

[BigYoshiFan]

The last time someone was named UC Voyager, that player flipped scum.

vote: UC Voyager

Ah. Well, if I'm using that logic.
VOTE: Fro99er
Did I make a happy fro99er?

[BigYoshiFan]

UNVOTE:

[BigYoshiFan]

UNVOTE:

Why unvote?

This wagon isn't going anywhere. Why keep him at L-1?

[BigYoshiFan]

So am I supposed to think you're scummy or are you 'gambiting' or something?

I don't think hes trolling but I also don't think there's an acceptable reason to put someone at -1 when you think they're town. Maybe he is a jester, who the fuck knows.

unvote, vote: flavorleaf

Seems extra, but may Sephiroth hasn't played in a while.

[BigYoshiFan]

This wagon isn't going anywhere. Why keep him at L-1?

Are you saying you think there's no chance that Frogger gets lynched today? If so, it's pretty early to be saying that, don't you think? If not, what are you saying?

An early L-1 is a great way to start the game off. It gets people talking, gets reactions going. Given that the L-1 was made explicitly clear, anyone who quickhammers would scumclaim. What's the downside?

I'm saying I doubt this wagon will provide us with any information than it has already, if any. Frogger isn't gonna react since this wagon wasn't formed with any intent to lynch, also being the one to encourage its formation. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean anything to me, nor do I think it would for anyone else. Keeping him at L-1 has more potential for harm than I see good.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Sephiroth

[BigYoshiFan]

YoshiFan has an awkward initial post and also avoids voting on the Frogger wagon until later, not even joining any wagon initially. Doesn't seem to want to draw attention to himself – scumlean.

What about my initial post was awkward? Just saying "Hi." is so awkward you need to point it out and relate it to a scumread?

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Sephiroth

Why the unvote first?

Just wanted to get off the wagon. Then I found something, saw someone else vote for that player, and just followed suit.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Fro99er

What was the purpose of this vote?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm saying I doubt this wagon will provide us with any information than it has already, if any. Frogger isn't gonna react since this wagon wasn't formed with any intent to lynch, also being the one to encourage its formation. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean anything to me, nor do I think it would for anyone else. Keeping him at L-1 has more potential for harm than I see good.

I can see where you're coming from on the first point, even if I disagree. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean

anything

to you? Really? You can't find any meaning in that action?

Nope.

[quote="In post 62, CultOfAt

What about my initial post was awkward? Just saying "Hi." is so awkward you need to point it out and relate it to a scumread?

It's hard to explain in words. Most people make a joke or talk about some past game or just naked vote as their first post. Just saying "Hi" feels like you were trying to think of something to insert yourself into the thread with smoothly, which goes along with not voting anyone who was already being voted. Like I said – page one reads. They're just something to get the game moving.[/quote]
I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

[BigYoshiFan]

I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

Why are you lying?

So I said "Hi" and just that to blend myself in. Okay.

[BigYoshiFan]

It's just some nice humor; it's not scummy.

[BigYoshiFan]

I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

Why are you lying?

So I said "Hi" and just that to blend myself in. Okay.

If you said "Hi" to purposefully be awkward, why did you make 53, denying that it was awkward? You only claimed that it was intentional after I talked about how potentially scummy it was.

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

Okay, but was it so awkward that you needed to point it out? It was meant to be awkward but not so much for someone to point it out to this extent.

[BigYoshiFan]

TRANSCENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[BigYoshiFan]

Just wanted to get off the wagon. Then I found something, saw someone else vote for that player, and just followed suit.

OK, what do you think you found about Seph?

The seemingly ungenuine inquisitiveness of him. He questioned and elaborated on things I found unnecessary.

[BigYoshiFan]

If you said "Hi" to purposefully be awkward, why did you make 53, denying that it was awkward? You only claimed that it was intentional after I talked about how potentially scummy it was.

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

Also, was I supposed to claim that it was intentionally awkward before you pointed it out? It seemed fairly obvious to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is there any reason youre trying to flood the thread with non-game related posts right after you rolefished and tried to bluff your way out of it?

Ooooh, not sure you'll like Transcend either.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why do you think its pro-town to ask me for my role when theres no intent to lynch me? How does knowing my role help town? How is it painfully obvious that my role being known helps town?

Does this include when there is intent to lynch?

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, can you quote where people dismissed that vote as his meta? No matter who the person is, I wouldn't categorize it as a scum move, and I thought people were just following that train of thought.

[BigYoshiFan]

To be honest, I didn't pay attention to most of the game; however, I did leave thinking you were a decent endgame player. Early game I honestly don't know how you did. Either way, one game doesn't define your meta, especially if you're self-aware.

[BigYoshiFan]

Does no one else find fro99er scummy for asking me to claim for no reason?

No, not that either. Does anyone else?

[BigYoshiFan]

Wait, it doesn’t matter what I answer, it’s a pointless question and is actually the only reason i’m not town reading Seph.

So town players don't ask this? Its pretty NAI if you ask me. Last game I was in this was asked several times, and was also a pretty common thing to ask when I used to play.

"So town players don't ask this?" Lol.
Also, IT'S A USELESS QUESTION.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm asking because he said hes not town reading me for it. Its a reasonable question.

Sure, but sketchy with how you phrased it. Seems like you're focused on doing what a townie would do.

[BigYoshiFan]

There's one person besides myself that i Don't want to Lynch

Wanna guess who?

Is it me?

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, it might be the booze talking, but i think COA calling me fake is super forced

Those entire two wall posts sounded forced.

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, it might be the booze talking, but i think COA calling me fake is super forced

Those entire two wall posts sounded forced.

Explain.

I find COA to be the second-most towny player here so I want to see why you think that. I’m not seeing either as forced, let alone super forced.

She looks like she's asking questions for the sake of asking questions. I feel like it's such scattered and miniscule details she's nitpicking at that wouldn't materialize into anything.

[BigYoshiFan]

i'm everyone's favorite pupper if i'm honest

but you're not my tr boon

neither is yoshi

Wahhhhhhhh.
Is it the frog?

[BigYoshiFan]

She looks like she's asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Now reread skitter and tell me they aren’t doing the same thing, but worse.

Maybe the same thing but definitely not worse. Skitter is more commenting than asking questions for the sake of it. What makes the difference for you?

[BigYoshiFan]

She looks like she's asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Now reread skitter and tell me they aren’t doing the same thing, but worse.

Maybe the same thing but definitely not worse. Skitter is more commenting than asking questions for the sake of it. What makes the difference for you?

COA is actually pushing things, even if they are wrong things or dumb things at times. COA is looking at the game from more than one angle. Has considered things others haven’t which I found not only interesting, but town motivated. I’ve commented on one thing specifically and another I haven’t yet.

Skitter is mostly just bland or at best wishy washy commentary and generic questions.

What has she pushed besides me saying "Hi."?

[BigYoshiFan]

And I'm out. Goodnight.

[BigYoshiFan]

K.

Sephiroth has latched onto some things, and in the absence of substance besides those things, I find scummy. The FL putting Fro99er at L-1, Fro99er asking for a claim, neither of which mean anything to me honestly. Besides those things and posts directed towards him, he's only made reads on those who are generally inactive, which is a pretty easy position to take. I can agree to an extent that he had his back up against a wall, and defensiveness isn't exclusively scummy, not in this case I feel, but with nothing else of substance I can't find any reason to townread him. He's burnt out, the wagon died, I maintain a SR but willing to look elsewhere in the meantime.

Last night I thought about pursuing Clusk, because all I remembered was some pretty passionate sheeping and pocketing vibes. Then Wrangle came in with some expansive reads and an attitude to interact. I'm still confused about all of these logical pushes that came from CoA (I honestly can't find one besides the one on me, and that makes me weary since Fro99er said the same thing, it might be some subconscious sheeping), but I can find agreement with CoA being so "out there". Already had a TR on Fro99er for his tone and his compassionate interaction in the game, though I wouldn't define his early game as scummy. I can't disagree with what he's about me and my lack of read fluidity. Still hesitant to give him a TR because of his predecessor, whom despite only having 4 posts really pinged me while I thought of him overnight, and there are things in his reads which I feel could easily be fabricated.

Still stand with what I said about CoA. Don't see her pushes, and the logic behind said pushes. Her 364 has made me weary of Stitch though.

I'll explore skitter and the meta-case a bit later. I usually just skip over meta cases of that depth, but if it's supposedly good I'll take a looksy. One thing that stood out is that in 274 he claims Sephiroth as her strongest TR for his play in general, but voted Sephiroth in RVS and parked until post 163. Not something I find particularly scummy, but I want to know why she kept her vote for so long if Sephiroth's play in general read as town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hai Mulch/Wrangle!

[BigYoshiFan]

Anyways i tred clusk so I'm just gonna ignore mulch this entire game and bank on clusk being town

But clusk was replaced?

[BigYoshiFan]

Anyways i tred clusk so I'm just gonna ignore mulch this entire game and bank on clusk being town

But clusk was replaced?

Mulch slot is clutch slot

Oh. Wow I got mindfucked. Okay sorry lol

[BigYoshiFan]

I agree with all three Mulch's scumreads.

For his exact same reasons?

[BigYoshiFan]

People who are not pro-town: STITCH skitter frogger transcend

So these are your scumreads? Can you explain?

Also, holy fuck, I didn't know you could highlight part of a post before you pressed "quote" so that you'd only be quoting what you highlighted. Was that always a thing?!

[BigYoshiFan]

Not satisfied with my reads so far, so not sharing them rn.

Are you still at this stage right now?

[BigYoshiFan]

I didn't want to out this, but every scum game Skitter uses *like* about a fuckton times per game, and as town they don't use qualitative langauge at all. It sucks that I have to give up this meta tell, but I'm too pissed not to bury you right now

Why would you wait to say this?

QUALITIATIVE language likes, not "like"

No, you also said "like". Emphasized it with how I read it.

Ok then I'm policy lynching you. I don't think your scum anymore but if I was scum I would destroy you in this arguement just because you are so off. So I'm going to keep voting you to prove that my case is righter than yours

What... What.............

VOTE: Mulch

Harclaim VT

Lynch me bitches you don't deserve to get me to replace out

Town dosen't deserve to get me to replace out

I'm not conforming my play to bad play here

on Mafia universe I'm townread almost every game for my play, regardless of allignment, and towns have about a 10% higher winrate there and they don't use as many power roles

It's not a coincidence

Are you saying this exact same play of yours does better on Mafia Universe?

I don't understand why you would blow up like this. This honestly makes me feel it too scummy to be scum, but this has reached a level past THAT. This thing with an alt you keep bringing up makes no sense either. I thought you just wanted to try a different approach to the game.
VOTE: Mulch

I'll get into skitter now. I just had to focus on Mulch first.

[BigYoshiFan]

Mulch, why do I feel like you're trying to turn the topic of discussion away from the fact that you're being scumread and instead into one of:

a) the fact that you're taking the moral high-ground

b) that towns do better on MU

c) that town would have won 1963 if you hadn't been mislynched.

She's not wrong.

[BigYoshiFan]

Trying to push me as obvious scum on meta before you had a chance to talk with me was really, really stupid, given that you know a *real* tell for me, and not the 'like' one you tried pushing which is ridiculous: I panic-lurk as scum, especially under pressure. If I'm interacting in real-time (especially under pressure) I'm like never scum. If it looks like I'm lurking, I'm scum. If I post just before the prod-timer, I'm scum. You know this, and I'm having a really, really hard time believing that *you* bought the meta case Frogger was pushing.

I still don't get what you're seeing in Transcend.

I really hate when people talk about their own meta with such self-awareness. If you're so aware, you'd take every measure to avoid doing it again.

[BigYoshiFan]

I know that this is my main tell. I don't know how to fix it. I panic-lurk as scum under pressure and hate doing it but I have a ridiculously difficult time posting as scum in general and this holds even moreso when I'm under any sort of pressure.

I panic-lurk. I don't know how to not panic-lurk.

Okay, but if you are scum and this is such an obvious and prominent tell, you're not going to continue to do it. Right? I don't know, a lot of people do this kind of self-aware meta thing. Maybe I haven't played enough games to understand it.

[BigYoshiFan]

See the problem is coa isn't obvtown :/

Point still stands that he only had 4 posts, of very little substance might I add.

[BigYoshiFan]

Does Mulch blow up so easily as town? Not only do I find a lot of the things he said illogical, but it really doesn't strike me as genuine emotion for how minor a pretext it had. Maybe he's appealing to his meta?

[BigYoshiFan]

There's also the fact that before he was outed as an alt he was trying to pretend he was frustrated being unable to meta me...

I mean, if you've only played that game and this game for the past 5 years, then he's right that he can't meta you.

...even though he was in that game and initially scum read me before calling me obvtown. I'm definitely leaning scum on him.

Is this talking about his read on you from Mini 1963?

[BigYoshiFan]

To me the fact that he stresses he can't research past games when he had actually just been in a game with me feels contrived and something that town wouldnt say there. I think saying that this is my first game in five years is a lie that he wouldn't need to tell if he didn't feel the need to add fluff to his read.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not sure what else to say.

And yes.

So how are his reads from another game related to this game?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay so I guess I can't ask someone questions without someone harassing me about it. Back to not posting I guess.

I caught the dude in a lie and I'm not sure why you're defending it/preventing me from having a 1v1 with Mulch. You're entirely too invested in defending him and it seems like you're not interested in reading the game to compare the explosion so I dunno what to say. It seems like you're more interested in summarily dismissing any scum read on mulch then actually getting a read on him.

I'm not harassing you. I just don't understand your perspective.

And I'm not defending Mulch; I'm voting him, but the points you have make no sense to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Stitch

[BigYoshiFan]

That post just rubs me in the rightest of ways.

[BigYoshiFan]

Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound sexual. XD

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey UCV, are you actually gonna catch up?

Happy new years to all!

[BigYoshiFan]

happy new hyear I'm drunk as shit flavor I fucking love you

rofl

[BigYoshiFan]

I've thought about it for a while and realised the part that bothers me about Yoshi is that they're very cautious with their posting. They always seem to have an alternative reason for why their conclusion might be wrong.

Honestly, that's just who I am and how I play regardless of alignment. I'm extremely self-conscious regardless of alignment. I won't always post what comes to mind because of what I can only call social anxiety. It's weird, that I play this game about communicating with others yet always feel nervous about sharing my thoughts. When I'm comfortable with a person or group of people, this isn't an issue, but the recent... emotion that has been conveyed through the thread isn't helping. I'm still relatively new to mafia (I think this is my 8th? game) and I am 16, and I know both of those characteristics tend to draw some unwanted attention.

"Are you fucking stupid? Blah blah blah"
Surprisingly, no one has really antagonized me for my age, but I feel like it goes through some of your minds when you interact with me, and it just comes out naturally because you're twice my age and I'm just an inferior teenager on his laptop sitting on his bed.

And some of you who have played with me may notice I tend to sheep often, and that's why. Not making an excuse if I tend to do it this game because I'm working on it, but... yeah.

Part of that paragraph came straight from another site where I played a mafia game (as scum albeit), one player here should recognize it. I used it because it really does epitomize what I want to explain. I don't feel like revealing the site though, so you'll just have to take my word and potentially the word of whoever played with me that game.

*takes deep breath*

Alright, rant over.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh shit I've been revealed. noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, I'm back and caught up. Happy New year!

I don't like that stitch came back to a wagon and didn't even bother to comment. Seph, skitter and mulch all feel town to me based on limited meta and their reactions seeming genuine. Frogger also feels town, and transcend is too good for me to read right now. Null on everyone else so I'd say as of right now stitch is my biggest scum read.

Don't want to vote yet as I want to re-read and do an ISO first.

Already you're sounding like quite the opportunist.

[BigYoshiFan]

You have yoshi voting twice.

@Mod, also Fro99er's vote on Lalendra isn't there.

[BigYoshiFan]

i have a hard time believing boon rolled scum 4 times in a row in a mini normal. i know this is bad reasoning, but the odds are very low. i will still try to consider him scum because anything is possible

The chances of him rolling scum in this game are still the same as every other game. Having been scum in previous games doesn't decrease the odds of being scum in the next game.

[BigYoshiFan]

Shit I got sniped.

[BigYoshiFan]

I appreciate you, skitter.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Lalendra

[BigYoshiFan]

{---}

{skitter30}

{Sephiroth, Fro99er, Srceenplay}

{CultofAthena, Flavor Leaf, Creature, Stitch}

{Transcend, Mulch, Lalendra, UC Voyager}

{---}

{---}

Nothing strong yet.

Notable notes:

Spoiler:

Did a 180 on Sephiroth. They've been quite engaged, was the center of attention quite often, and I sense that they're posting without much self-consciousness that I would expect from scum.

UCV just doesn't seem very engaged and has vote-parked fro99er since RVS. He hasn't started sorting people at all.

Lalendra's only post of any substance looked opportunistic. Nothing else here, I need some more posts and advancement from her.

Transcend is being weird, but... pingingly weird: Claimed miller at 373; townread Clusk and consequently Mulch?; TRs Creature "because Creature", idk, I find that conspicuous. With some advancement I could TR this slot.

I have no fucking idea about Creature. Gun to head, I'd rather get shot.

I got kind of suspicious of Flavor Leaf because he has a lot of fluff, but eh... He's got reads and advancement, and has still yet to make a true reads post, and he's moving and busy with shit.

Stitch. Seemed opportunistic at first then not. Then someone brought up the idea that the game's stagnated because scum were complacent with his lynch, and that jived with me. They took on some unpopular opinions, which intrigued me, but then they never pursued it and I lost interest. Also on an unrelated note, is Stitch an alt???

Still suspicious of Mulch after he blew up. Don't like how they transitioned from skitter-scum to skitter-town during their 1v1. His reads are all meta-based, and he's not pushing anything, just cruising with whatever can get people off his back.

Back here: VOTE: Mulch

[BigYoshiFan]

Your forehead must be pretty red by now.

[BigYoshiFan]

Sorry, only yoshis can do that.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yoshi how do you feel your list compares to Sephiroth?

Not sure what you mean by "compare", but I'll just elaborate thoughts and hope it's what you wanted.

Firstly, writing people off in a separate column as "lurkers" seems non-committal. You can still get reads, and I feel like the emphasis it's placing on lurking could come from scum looking to keep their options open.

I don't understand the Creature read, from anyone for that matter since a lot of people are writing him off as town. I dun git it.

Flavor Leaf as town is weird. They had a skirmish with regards to the L-1 vote on Fro99er and something about meta, and if it doesn't infer a scumread then at the very least it doesn't infer a townread. There's nothing in their ISO that would suggest that he townreads him.

Fro99er I personally disagree with, but it doesn't stand out that much. Sephiroth got hung up over his request for a claim, and although that doesn't mean anything to me, I can see Sephiroth genuinely believing in this.

And overall there's a lack of read fluidity. If Seph hadn't posted this, you probably couldn't gather many of these reads. I feel that that is because they were too focused on their defense, but I don't find that particularly scummy. I mean, I don't think Seph focused on it because he's scum, but rather because he truly was caught up in questions and suspicion. Their posting style as I mentioned before still triumphs any of these scummy things I pointed out, and it's a step up that he's now formulating reads, I would like some more explanation though.

[BigYoshiFan]

Log is scattered

There are scum vanity votes

Log? Que?

[BigYoshiFan]

Your lacking bite

Why do I need a bite for a simple question?
Why do you feel the need to block it instead of letting it play through?

You----



Usually have snark as town

You have no snark

Therefore you are scum

[BigYoshiFan]

@ yoshi.
Here is what bothered me about their list.
Me and frog on opposite ends. I think post wise frog and my content has been about the same. It also seems to me our reads have been about the same. To put us at opposite ends just looked to me like someone throwing names around.

The they put trans at scum and right after appeared to try and engage Transcend. It felt fake and shallow to me.

I agree that your posts and reads are quite similar, and I'd have to guess that Fro99er's request for a claim made the difference. It's definitely a miniscule detail. I certainly don't agree with the read, but I can see him genuinely thinking that after being noticeably perturbed by Fro99er.

Does no one else find fro99er scummy for asking me to claim for no reason?

This right here seems like it's genuine.

Her attempt to engage Transcend could go either way for me. Specifically engaging Transcend among others seems off, but right before that list Transcend made a fluff post, so I can see why Transcend was singled out. The question itself is reasonable too, I feel. He's just parked CoA since the early game. What say you?

[BigYoshiFan]

And then talking about frog asking for a claim doesn’t feel genuine to me. It feels more like a shade throw and looking to see if it sticks.
And like you said. It’s something small in the grand scale and it puts us in the opposite side of the list.

He had the thing with FL putting Fro99er at L-1, and then the related, and elongated talk about meta. I think it's their style to inflate things like that. I don't know, it kinda aligns with the general feel I get from them as a player.

[BigYoshiFan]

I am perturbed by every time Mulch posts.

[BigYoshiFan]

I scumread you, you're just bad. I don't know why you'd rather do whatever you're doing instead of defend. You were fine as an alt, and then initially when you switched, but ever since you had your 1v1 with skitter you've just stopped giving content. Like, what the hell are you even doing right now?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay then, good for you if that's the case. I think I'll just leave it at that. Realize though that facepalms won't make the votes go away.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm having a bit of an identity crisis as a scumhunter this game. Most of my reads are based on gut. I'm having a hard time deciding between reading certain players two completely different ways. So yeah. Wish I could explain my reads better, but thats what they are right now.

I feel less good about srceen than when I made that post but meh.

You hardly explained them at all. You can't elaborate your reads any further than that? I'm perfectly fine with gut reads, and I pay them respect when used in moderation because sometimes that's all I can use to explain a read of my own, but this just sounds non-committal and frankly scummy. You don't have to decide between two different ways of reading players, employ them both and use it to come to a general read.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll eat my hat if both Athena and stitch are town

Did you eat your shit through your nose yet?

[BigYoshiFan]

I retracted that post immediately after i made it. Haha

Ah.

[BigYoshiFan]

I was waffling on Mulch/FL but I am inclined to believe the neighbor claim. My first thought was that it could be scum using neighbor as a way out but I don't think FL would have come right out and said he just won a scum game with a fake neighbor claim if that was his gambit here (unless he felt someone would check his meta and pre-empted it by doing that, which is WIFOM but would still make the claim risky). My problem now is figuring out who is scum because I now have to re-evaluate their interactions with basically everyone in light of this new information.

Wh- What?

[BigYoshiFan]

Is there a game where Lalendra was scum and played differently than now?

Also Fro99er just shitted town sprinkles all over the thread and it's getting pretty annoying to brush off.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Lalendra

[BigYoshiFan]

Will try to catch-up by tonight. Anything I should know currently?

Flavor Leaf claimed neighbor

pedit: I'm not scum seph

Prompted or unprompted?

It was a little of both. I was pushing something I agreed with from my neighbor.

So... unprompted.

Hai LUV!

[BigYoshiFan]

Wtf are these screen votes

[BigYoshiFan]

What makes Screen the wagon of the day?

[BigYoshiFan]

Are you scumreading him? Where did this new Srceen!scum sentiment come from?

[BigYoshiFan]

The hard part is trying to convey it with out sounding like an idiot. That hardly ever works.

Oh my god, my mafia career in less than 20 words.

So... this people-pleasing thing is a lot less developed to FL than I thought. I mean, it jived with me a little bit, and I implied that he found it scummy and that he thought Seph's read list was somewhat fabricated as a result. Then he said he wasn't sure if it was important and even unsure who it would be appealing to and now and it feels like unnecessary shade and/or he's backed off a push he knew he couldn't continue with.

And another thing he's pushed that I dislike is that there was no reason to townread him or Screen. There's quite the arrogant undertone in this I feel, that he can control everyone's reads and anyone who doesn't follow is suspicious. When someone reveals a townread, I don't think the natural route is to say there's no reason to townread them, but instead ask why and then counter the argument. This, again, feels like unnecessary shade.

Something about the neighborhood is pinging me too.
"There's no reason to lie about it right now."
Well, there was no reason to bring it up in the first place. It's not something I can articulate well, in fact, none of this is something I feel I articulated well, so I'll just leave it at that.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Lalendra

[BigYoshiFan]

I doubt you finished reading my post before you came to that conclusion.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hi.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh sorry, that was supposed to be awkward.

[BigYoshiFan]

If you’re town, take a step back. I’ll be the bigger man, but if you keep going, like, I’m going to respond. I get over things fast, but I’ll always respond if shaded.

Oi, don't be an ass.

[BigYoshiFan]

If you’re town, take a step back. I’ll be the bigger man, but if you keep going, like, I’m going to respond. I get over things fast, but I’ll always respond if shaded.

Oi, don't be an ass.

This was me actively attempting that.

[BigYoshiFan]

I commend your progress.

[BigYoshiFan]

*jumps behind fro99er*

[BigYoshiFan]

Just a waiting game at this point...

[BigYoshiFan]

Yoshi, what are your impressions of the exchange last night?

I've been meaning to be less blunt about this, but I think someone's ego went to their head. From what I remember, I thought both you and Seph made sense while Flavor Leaf, not so much, but I think how Flavor Leaf played last night is more reminiscent of his ego more than his alignment.

However, this neighborhood claim is fishy as hell. At first, completely unprovoked, and because he wanted to say someone else agrees and wanted to push their reads? Then, after being self-proclaimed king of mafia and obvious townie within a matter of days, he reveals his neighbor. Not following this process at all.

[BigYoshiFan]

A full town roleblocker, huh?
VOTE: UC Voyager

[BigYoshiFan]

He didn't do anything, why not?

[BigYoshiFan]

I mean still. At this moment I don't have any decent scumreads.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll support a Transcend wagon, actually.
VOTE: Transcend

P-edit, fuck meta.

[BigYoshiFan]

I feel like it's beneficial for you to full claim instead of passive-aggressively accuse if you were cop. But that's just me.

[BigYoshiFan]

I feel like it's beneficial for you to full claim instead of passive-aggressively accuse if you were cop. But that's just me.

or we can WIFOM scum.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, if at least you full claim before the end of a day or before a potential mislynch.

[BigYoshiFan]

These arguments are stupid. Let's just lynch the dog.

[BigYoshiFan]

Transcend feels too detached from any interaction that happens in-game. I don't like how he said absolutely nothing about stitch and proceeded to vote him after begging someone else to convince him, which really wasn't much convincing at all. I'll have to review when he did that though.

[BigYoshiFan]

Transcend feels too detached from any interaction that happens in-game. I don't like how he said absolutely nothing about stitch and proceeded to vote him after begging someone else to convince him, which really wasn't much convincing at all. I'll have to review when he did that though.

By that argument wouldn’t he not vote his partner?
I mean with the lack of convincing that was done.

I feel like Stitch was likely used to bus. The thread stagnated when he was wagoned, and that threw me back thinking he was town, but now I think it's a sign that his partners were content with his lynch and/or bussing him. I don't remember Stitch doing much to defend himself. Transcend was probably content with bussing. The vote itself doesn't feel like it was a townie trying to help town. Stitch and Transcend bailed after that.

[BigYoshiFan]

I’m not getting a detached feel from Transcend. He’s expressed interest in lynching my slot multiple times and I recall him being strongly against lynching Lalendra and UCV.

I'll have to reread.

A lot of the interactions have been kind of hard to read and watch. Specifically the Mulch meltdown and the back and forths Flavor Leaf had with Skitter and Seph.

Fair, but I'm talking throughout the game.

[BigYoshiFan]

I’m not getting a detached feel from Transcend. He’s expressed interest in lynching my slot multiple times and I recall him being strongly against lynching Lalendra and UCV.

I'll say, though, that no interest does not equal detachment. He pushed, but not because he was engaged.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Uzi

[BigYoshiFan]

Can anyone deny though transcend and uzi are the next 2 lynched

Too early to say that. Depends on their flips and the nightkill, and anything that might happen today.

[BigYoshiFan]

I think he’s been engaged just not in the way you would want town to be. If that makes sense?

Oddly I think he’s just been drowned out.

BUT HE DOES THIS WHEN HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE DROWNED OUT.

[BigYoshiFan]

I think he’s been engaged just not in the way you would want town to be. If that makes sense.

I totally get the sentiment that this comes from, and that's somewhat why I switched to you.
Transcend still feels off regardless.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well I’d appericate if you unvote.

I’d like to not claim

I'll claim for you.

[BigYoshiFan]

MMmmmmmmmmmm. I think Uzi is likely scum but the last pages have done nothing to reinforce that.

[BigYoshiFan]

Honestly the more transcend isn't posting the more suspicious I am that he's scum just wanting me and Uzi to go at each other

The thread was opened a few hours ago?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay I'm caught up but I really have no idea who to vote. I'm not getting super towny vibes from anybody rn and I have no idea what to do.

Someone who's town tell me who to vote

K, you die next.

[BigYoshiFan]

No, I think L-2

[BigYoshiFan]

w/e

VOTE: lalendra

What's up with the switch?

[BigYoshiFan]

Alright then. I wonder if the motive to killing Seph was as simple as...

I don't think seph is scum

Seph isn't scum.

I also don’t scum read Seph.

But Seph did interact with a LOT of people, maybe it involved interactions too?

[BigYoshiFan]

OK, explain to me why scum!transcend pops in to vote Stitch, and then leaves his vote on him while the wagon develops because he deosn't want to read the game.
Stitch was bad as scum.
Like ... why does he do that?

Stitch was bad as scum and he's prepared to bus.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm leaning a little towards Uzi anyway, but that's why I initially voted him. Would you agree Stitch was likely bussed?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm leaning a little towards Uzi anyway, but that's why I initially voted him. Would you agree Stitch was likely bussed?

I agree that he was likely bussed, but I don't think it was Transcend.

I absolutely would not put it past scum!FL to bus his partner that way. Remember how he was tying Seph to a scum!Stitch flip?

Alright cool, so how do you feel about Uzi being a potential mafia partner?
I thought about FL, but I'm not sure he would kill Seph after how he interacted with him. Or maybe he would?

[BigYoshiFan]

skitter I townread you hard so tell me why they aren't? Yoshi is my strongest SR right now but that's not saying much as I'm having difficulty sorting this game so persuade me

You presented the evidence, skitter asked the question, now you answer the question.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why do you think he was bussed?

So did you never agree that Stitch was likely bussed?

[BigYoshiFan]

Unfortunately Stitch's ISO isn't as helpful as it might be otherwise given how few posts he has, but of the posts he actually made, a number of them were directed toward Yoshi. I've been uncomfortable with this slot all game so VOTE: Yoshi[/unvote]

This is actually the worst thing I've ever seen. You ctrl+f'ed "Yoshi" in his ISO, saw my name showed up 12 times, and was like "Hah! Caught ya!"
No. That's not how it works.

How about you reference the push he made on me? Where's that quote?

[BigYoshiFan]

@yoshi: I'm tending towards no on LUV tbh. He wanted Stitch, and voted Stitch after a vc, just like he said he would. Like he's not completely ruled out, but gut tells me probably not.

Like the only reason I'm not voting FL right now is because I'm not sure scum!FL kills Seph after blatantly tying him to scum!Stitch's flip? I feel like he'd keep him alive to push for a mislynch? Problem is that I could also see him doing this for the WIFOM unfortunately.

Any idea who bussed Stitch then?

[BigYoshiFan]

What? Skitter didn't ask me a question. If you're going to misrep at least make sense.

Okay, well, you posted those because you thought they were partner-indicative. You should be saying why it's partner-indicative instead of asking why it isn't to her, given you didn't explain it yourself.

[BigYoshiFan]

Lol or I read his whopping 21-post ISO and realized that you were the only player who came up in roughly 25% of them (there was one more i didn't quote)

The only quote that could mean something.

[BigYoshiFan]

@Lalendra: I actually don't think those posts are partner-indicative tbh

skitter I townread you hard so tell me why they aren't? Yoshi is my strongest SR right now but that's not saying much as I'm having difficulty sorting this game so persuade me

If you can't see what's wrong with your response then I have nothing for you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BigYoshiFan]

Lalendra: I found these posts that may suggest Stitch and Yoshi are partners.
skitter: I don't see it.
Lalendra: Why?

[BigYoshiFan]

Is that all you got for a scumread on me?

[BigYoshiFan]

Lol or I read his whopping 21-post ISO and realized that you were the only player who came up in roughly 25% of them (there was one more i didn't quote)

I guess it would appear that there wasn't just one you forgot to quote.

Spoiler: Response to Lalendra

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Are you disregarding the possibility that Yoshi and Frogger are scumbuddies?

Yes because chasing associatives so early in the game is pointless. If it came to that it'd be better to lynch Frogger first anyway (who I'm not scumreading to begin with).

There were more so let me just respond to them all. Which one do you think "meant something"? This one, where he acknowledges Athena's suggestion that you could be scum but still expresses a preference to lynch someone else?

He's town-reading me here. Read the context.

Also, 129 confused me for a second – I forgot Lalendra was in this game.

This reaction doesn't look real to me.

too lazy to quote this again but I agree with Athena's posts not having a lot of purpose. There's stuff like "I think Frogger is town as well, but the self-wagon is a poor reason to think so." that has no reason to be there, it's not like she's trying to start a conversation with it so its pretty weird.

VOTE: CultofAthena

This one, where he throws shade at and votes CoA after her saying she scumreads you?

Meh. Dunno what to say here.

Something about Yoshi's responses to it bothers me too but I need to look again

This one, where he half heartedly throws shade at you but never explains why?

Yes. He did throw shade. How about you tell me why he might do that?

I really need to stop avoiding this thread.

I've thought about it for a while and realised the part that bothers me about Yoshi is that they're very cautious with their posting. They always seem to have an alternative reason for why their conclusion might be wrong. This is something I think is more likely to come from scum because it gives them flexibility to bounce to a different read while still having some ground for it in the past and generally scum are more aware of the flaws in their cases than townies are (or else townies wouldn't be voting them). Their vote for Mulch in particular bothered me for this line:

I don't understand why you would blow up like this. This honestly makes me feel it too scummy to be scum, but this has reached a level past THAT.

It reads to me like Yoshi just REALLY WANTS to vote Mulch in this scenario rather than being a genuine reaction to Mulch's posts.

VOTE: Yoshi

This one, where he finally votes you

Yes. He did vote me. I was referencing this

one

quote by the way, but if you have nothing else to say besides what he explicitly and objectively did, then i have nothing for you.

I've thought about it for a while and realised the part that bothers me about Yoshi is that they're very cautious with their posting. They always seem to have an alternative reason for why their conclusion might be wrong.

Honestly, that's just who I am and how I play regardless of alignment. I'm extremely self-conscious regardless of alignment. I won't always post what comes to mind because of what I can only call social anxiety. It's weird, that I play this game about communicating with others yet always feel nervous about sharing my thoughts. When I'm comfortable with a person or group of people, this isn't an issue, but the recent... emotion that has been conveyed through the thread isn't helping. I'm still relatively new to mafia (I think this is my 8th? game) and I am 16, and I know both of those characteristics tend to draw some unwanted attention.

"Are you fucking stupid? Blah blah blah"
Surprisingly, no one has really antagonized me for my age, but I feel like it goes through some of your minds when you interact with me, and it just comes out naturally because you're twice my age and I'm just an inferior teenager on his laptop sitting on his bed.

And some of you who have played with me may notice I tend to sheep often, and that's why. Not making an excuse if I tend to do it this game because I'm working on it, but... yeah.

Part of that paragraph came straight from another site where I played a mafia game (as scum albeit), one player here should recognize it. I used it because it really does epitomize what I want to explain. I don't feel like revealing the site though, so you'll just have to take my word and potentially the word of whoever played with me that game.

*takes deep breath*

Alright, rant over.

I'll take you at your word because of personal experience. Fwiw I didn't think you were a teenager or anything if it bothers you that much, don't worry about that. I would like you to explain why Mulch went beyond too scummy to be scum because that's the main part of your content that bothers me now. It feels like a very easy stance to take and I can't really see your thought process there. I can see later content like #705 as town though

Also @ is Stitch an alt I have offsite experience. This game is way different to main site stuff and tbh it's pretty hard to process when I ended up with more commitments than I expected. I don't really know how to respond to votes on me when most are pretty small to begin with.

FL, why would you ever play intentionally non-townie outside of concealing a power role (which you really aren't now). I don't get how the question to Seph was relevant to your vote on him. It was a loaded question where you could have voted for him after in disagreement by saying "yeah then if that's not your normal behaviour" and I don't understand why you would out that you have this very-townie-neighbour-friend but only halfway. If you were going to defend the slot outright it would be a different thing but I don't see what you would gain from doing this as town.

I don't care about Lalalalala at all. They haven't done much and what they have is null which bothers me because UCV is in a similar vote but asks questions without following up on them/drawing any conclusions which just looks like he's coming up with them as fake content. Probability posts are among the easiest things for scum to fake because they don't even have to lie a single bit about it.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Or this one, where you two have an utterly unconvincing exchange and then he moves his vote off of you?

Yes. We did have an exchange and he moved his vote. What was unconvincing about it?

[BigYoshiFan]

OK, so ignoring Seph since he's a) dead and b) wasn't actually voting Stitch, I think my most-to-least-likely-to-have-bussed goes soemthing like this:

FL > > > Mulch > screen > LUV = Frogger > Transcend

This is a fine list, Mulch. They have a clear suspect, while listing out the rest in order. What's wrong with it?

I'll ponder over this later. I'm not even sure if I want to focus on a potential bus anymore.

[BigYoshiFan]

I miss seph

lol. I miss him too.

Suicide Bomb: Fro99er

[BigYoshiFan]

Perhaps.

[BigYoshiFan]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!1111
I enjoy skitter's presence.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why do you think he was bussed?

So did you never agree that Stitch was likely bussed?

I was asking their thoughts on it.
You don’t need to block the answer.

I said I can see mulch bussing. He has done it before. That’s not a blank statement saying he was bussed by anyone.

Okay, and I didn't block the answer. Skitter answered you before I said anything.

Because a *lot* of people were calling him out as scum, and I could scum hopping on for the towncred once his wagon picked up again.

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, we lynched scum day 1, which means scum practically guaranteedly bussed

Why can’t town have good cohesion?

Hey screen town and scum game ty


Also cause it never happens

ever

viewtopic.php?p=9779303#p9779303
First game I found, Espeonage scum lynched day 1.
Their partners Dunnstral and Zach weren't on the wagon.

[BigYoshiFan]

@yoshi scum game please

The only one I've ever played on site:
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=68819

[BigYoshiFan]

k
VOTE: Lalendra

[BigYoshiFan]

yoshi do you post more/less as scum?

More dependent upon how I am IRL; but I'm not sure actually. I'd say less.

And on that note, school starts again on Tuesday, so I'll be a little less active starting on Tuesday.

[BigYoshiFan]

yoshi is town he's piss easy to read

[BigYoshiFan]

Eh, anyway. Pretty sure Boon is scum, and so are one of {Screen/Mulch}. I think Boon's trying to pocket UCV, who is probably town.

I think that Transcend's town unfortunately. LUV's probably town, as are frogger/yoshi. I still don't have a read on creature tbh.

p-edit: You're the one who said you thought Transcend was gambiting ...

Why would boon protect town!myself when he knows I know his meta as scum. Wouldn't scum!boon want to get rid of town!me before I catch on to no one scum meta?

Like this was common information...

[BigYoshiFan]

Doggo!

[BigYoshiFan]

You guys fucking won the game while I was out. *scoff*
GGs all around!

I think I'm 2-6 on town games now?

[BigYoshiFan]

yoshi is town he's piss easy to read

Oh, I'm totally NKing Transcend N1 if I'm scum with him as town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Damn, Transcend was on point the whole game.