Micro 767: Spyro the Dragon Mafia - Game Over

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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:41 am

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wisdom, are you going to kill me in my sleep?
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:59 am

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In post 9, Wisdom wrote:depends

do i know you?
Not unless you are some kind of stalker... are you some kind of stalker?
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Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:01 am

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In post 10, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: garaputo

VOTE: Radical Rat

no u :evil:
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:30 am

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In post 13, Wisdom wrote:no

why are you omgusing
Capriciousness and/or whimsy.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:09 am

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So is this a post post post of a post Image
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Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm

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In post 21, Kublai Khan wrote:@wisdom - I gather you've played with garaputo before. Has he said anything notable so far?

@garaputo - Could you not post large images for the sake of silly jokes?
I will insist on still making silly jokes, but regarding images, I will restrain myself for your benefit.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:02 pm

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In post 23, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 17, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 10, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: garaputo
VOTE: Radical Rat

Hey. Why?
Because of the comment about Wisdom killing him in his sleep.
Talking about night kills this early can only mean one thing.... Scumminess
I don't believe that you really think it "can only mean one thing" - do you really think that?
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Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:22 pm

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So now I have to shift from trying to find the people that want to kill me in my sleep to never sleeping? I can imagine the insomnia that will cause.

Can't sleep, clowns are gonna eat me.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:55 pm

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I will remember you, will you remember me?
Don't let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories…
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Post Post #41 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:13 pm

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In post 40, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: garaputo
I said will you remember me, not will you vote me. You are doing this wrong.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #10) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:43 am

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In post 47, BuJaber wrote:Exactly why are people so eager to townread Rat?

Garaputo maybe this is just your style but I think you're trying to cover up your scumminess with the jokey attitude.
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You've got it backwards. I'm joking because I've got nothing to hide.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #11) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:50 am

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In post 55, BuJaber wrote:Show me one thing garaputo posted in the game that is actuallly about the game.

It's all jokes or references or irrelevant things. Yet his postcount is higher than the average in our game so far.

I didn't like his opening and he hasn't redeemed himself yet.
I owe you no redemption as much as you owe me no unvote.

However, my first post was about the game, so in that I've met your standard.

I'm not going to change how I play to meet your metric of being redeemed, however I imagine that you'll find that when there is a bit more substance to react to, you'll see more of what you want from me.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #12) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:05 am

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In post 37, northsidegal wrote::facepalm:

i honestly forget that there was an ic in this game. sorry, i'm in a lot of games right now and i think i mixed things up. i wasn't trying to troll, i was naked voting to try to bait reactions.
UNVOTE:
I was going to argue that using the word honestly here was an indication of scumminess as some players use it when they know that they are lying, but then I looked back through the finished games north played in.

Spoiler: nsg's "honestly" posts in completed games


Turns out nsg seems to say "honestly" more often when town.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #13) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:27 am

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In post 70, UC Voyager wrote:
In post 69, northsidegal wrote:
In post 68, UC Voyager wrote: Then voting someone without reason. . .

:facepalm:
you're obviously in the other half.

who do you think is scum, ucv?
If I had to say right now, bujaber

Tbh, I don't have any solid reads. I still have to sort people
Use merge sort.

The real trick is the comparator.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:53 pm

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In post 72, northsidegal wrote:garaputo, why are you acting so different compared to your completed towngames?
I have replaced in one towngame, where the town was apathetic (that doesn't apply here)

In the other there was a nancy as a foil (also doesn't apply here).

I reserve the right to add one more reason here, that I don't want to get into today.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:54 pm

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Actually, I think important to add - this game started out differently than the state of the game when I first observed my completed game (where I wasn't a replacement).
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Post Post #86 (isolation #16) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:30 am

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BuJaber - would you mind announcing L-2 and L-1 when you vote? I think it's helpful and has minimal downside unless you actively want an accidental hammer.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:22 am

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In post 67, northsidegal wrote:@garaputo, that's more of a function of me only having one completed scumgame than me being town.

by the way, i'm already townreading half of the playerlist.
VOTE: ucv
@nsg - I would like you to clarify which half of the town you are townreading.

@Alisaes - I think overall the last couple days (and today) are not going to be up to snuff when it comes to effort/focus.

I sort of townread UCV for revealing the doublevote this early. I imagine scum have an interest in using it as a surprise.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:33 pm

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I don't think the claim would cause much confusion. Rather the opposite, the claim will likely allow the scum to zero in on the right folks to kill.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:07 pm

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Regardless of what I think, it seems like there may be a majority for this full claim plan, assuming that, what order should the claims be done in?

What do we do if someone just doesn't play along?
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Post Post #128 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:53 pm

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Could someone who is arguing for the mass claim provide 1) logistics for how it happens, and 2) what the proposal is to handle refusals?

I think it's best to know the details of the plan before starting in.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:07 am

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I think this plan is stupid and I am likely to refuse to claim on general principle.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:38 am

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In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 131, garaputo wrote:I think this plan is stupid and I am likely to refuse to claim on general principle.
If you refuse to claim and can't come up with a better argument than "the plan is stupid" then you will die.
Get the votes and do it then. I'd rather play mafia than whatever this claim or no claim thing is.

If you can convince everyone I'm scum because I don't want to go through with this bad plan, guess what, a game of actual mafia broke out!
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Post Post #142 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:55 am

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In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 134, garaputo wrote:
In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 131, garaputo wrote:I think this plan is stupid and I am likely to refuse to claim on general principle.
If you refuse to claim and can't come up with a better argument than "the plan is stupid" then you will die.
Get the votes and do it then. I'd rather play mafia than whatever this claim or no claim thing is.

If you can convince everyone I'm scum because I don't want to go through with this bad plan, guess what, a game of actual mafia broke out!
I can be convinced to not go with the mass claim plan if you have a good argument. "It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
I don't have to convince you to cooperate, I can just go on playing mafia as if your plan is noise and get what I want. I don't have to have a reason (although I've actually stated one you've ignored) as what I'm advocating for is the default state here. You should consider that your plan will be at least partially unsuccessful should you continue advocating for it. I'm just giving you advance notice that should you continue down this path, when it comes time for me to claim, you'll have to deal with the fact that I won't.
In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 135, Wisdom wrote:garaputo is right; all youve managed to do is halt the game and let scum hide in "lets claim" posts
You're halting the game by dodging/ignoring my questions. Convince me that mass claim is a bad idea.

Also, are you clearing garaputo? Why would scum be in the "lets claim" posts and not on the "lets not claim" side? Wouldn't scum likely be one on each side of this argument?
I can tell you there's at least one town on the let's not claim side.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:59 am

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In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did it

the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.

I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
This logic is flawed.

1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.
In post 139, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, this game is nightless, which means no night-kills. So if everything is on the table, we can 1) work out a plan and 2) trap scum into claims they may regret.

Convince me of a reason not to mass claim that don't include the words "stupid" or "bad". I'm not trying to steamroll the game. You feel strongly about your position so convince me I'm wrong.
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:02 am

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In post 139, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, this game is nightless, which means no night-kills. So if everything is on the table, we can 1) work out a plan and 2) trap scum into claims they may regret.

Convince me of a reason not to mass claim that don't include the words "stupid" or "bad". I'm not trying to steamroll the game. You feel strongly about your position so convince me I'm wrong.
I said in post
the claim will likely allow the scum to zero in on the right folks to kill.
What have you said that acknowledges or contradicts this?

It's like you want to have an argument but don't want to bother reading what other people are saying.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:19 am

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In post 146, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did it

the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.

I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
This logic is flawed.

1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.

I mean. From a neutral point of view he's a mod confirmed desperado IC.
Derp on me for forgetting that Desperado IC part, but the lotic applies still to the collective form of "you" there.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:19 am

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*logic.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:31 am

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If you are prepared to believe that the scum have no way to kill people, why don't we just forget the game thread and go play a nice game of bridge?
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Post Post #154 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:35 am

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In post 151, Radical Rat wrote:Though one thing I find interesting is that you only explicitly opposed this after NSG mentioned voting the refusals, which makes it seem as though you're not completely opposed to massclaiming itself. Is that correct?
I am completely opposed to claiming.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:40 am

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In post 155, Radical Rat wrote:Then why did you act like you weren't?
I like to understand a plan before I react to it. I inquired as to logistics.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:12 pm

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In post 159, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 147, garaputo wrote:
In post 146, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did it

the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.

I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
This logic is flawed.

1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.
I mean. From a neutral point of view he's a mod confirmed desperado IC.
Derp on me for forgetting that Desperado IC part, but the lotic applies still to the collective form of "you" there.
This is bugging me. Did you also forget that UC Voyager is mod-confirmed to be non-vanilla as well?
Again that doesn't mean UC is town. Also UC wasn't outed so much as has stepped forward.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:14 pm

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In post 161, BuJaber wrote:Scum can hide behind anything. It's definitely possible. Gaining town's favor is highly beneficial so scum can and will sometimes do things that hurt them in hopes that they can benefit from that credit later on in the game.
Mass claiming here doesn't help scum. I was originally hesitant because I forgot it's a nightless game. Nightless game makes it rather favorable to town. So while I wouldn't expect scum to support the lynch, some players in such a situation would definitely choose to hide their intentions with the majority. It is the 'default' scum play. We are very likely looking at 1-2 on the let's not claim side and the remainder (if any) on the let's claim side. Therefore being in favor or against is by itself not AI unfortunately.

I don't know how to interpret wisdom's posts so far. I want to say he's scum but I'm likely influenced by bias. He doesn't seem the talkative type which always makes it harder. Guess it comes down to whether his confidence is faked by scum, or it's from a townie which generally speaking means they aren't afraid of being scumread.
You are stating the conclusion without support with "Mass claiming here doesn't help scum"

The only way you are certain of this is if you are scum, and in any possible case here, I don't trust this statement.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:18 pm

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In post 157, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 145, Wisdom wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.

This; usually games that are nightless have some other mechanic in place; we know nothing about the setup right now

Neither do scum. Isn't it to the scum's advantage to keep town blindly guessing and pointing fingers until we get to a Day X LyLo or MyLo situation?

This could be a mostly vanilla game or a role-madness game. Neither Town nor Scum knows that at this point, so scum is at bigger risk claiming today then waiting until a few flips happen.
Same argument. Unless you are scum, you have no idea what the scum know or don't. The mod has explicitly stated "Power Roles were decided by flavour, VTs were then randomised from a list of characters, the left over characters were then given to scum as fakeclaims,
it is impossible to break the game via flavour"

In your best case scenario, the town tell the truth, the scum lie, and pick bad lies. Even in that best case scenario the scum gain more correct information than the town does.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:37 am

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In post 168, BuJaber wrote:
In post 164, garaputo wrote:
In post 157, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 145, Wisdom wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.

This; usually games that are nightless have some other mechanic in place; we know nothing about the setup right now

Neither do scum. Isn't it to the scum's advantage to keep town blindly guessing and pointing fingers until we get to a Day X LyLo or MyLo situation?

This could be a mostly vanilla game or a role-madness game. Neither Town nor Scum knows that at this point, so scum is at bigger risk claiming today then waiting until a few flips happen.
Same argument. Unless you are scum, you have no idea what the scum know or don't. The mod has explicitly stated "Power Roles were decided by flavour, VTs were then randomised from a list of characters, the left over characters were then given to scum as fakeclaims,
it is impossible to break the game via flavour"

In your best case scenario, the town tell the truth, the scum lie, and pick bad lies. Even in that best case scenario the scum gain more correct information than the town does.

Good point but lies are harder to tell than the truth. I suspect the mass claim intention that comes from Khan - a confirmed townie, is that it forces scum to lie, because if they refuse to participate after the majority decide it's the way to go it looks bad on them. Forcing scum to post and lie is good because one of the best scum weapons is their ability to lurk along without saying too much so as to remain in the not alignment indicative zone of posting.

Wisdom what are your specific reasons for wanting me lynched?
I reject the notion that it looks bad for anyone to not participate in this plan. My point about logistics has been thus: this plan *forces* nothing other than a reaction to the plan, and then we go play mafia again and decide who to vote.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:02 am

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In post 171, BuJaber wrote:
In post 169, Wisdom wrote:you're scummy

Oh wow let's go home everyone wisdom doesn't need any help.

Well I've guaranteed my enjoyment for the game. I no longer care what we do I'm gonna have fun in any case seeing people trying to justify their wrong read on me. Funny how the most experience always tunnel the hardest.
I hope to god I don't become this biased as my experience grows.


Garaputo it is specifically this reaction that is why you're town. Scum don't have the privilege of rejecting the mass claim as strongly as you are.
You are reaching the correct conclusion for the wrong reason. I'm town but it's entirely in my scum range to do this.

Also, it may not be obvious since I didn't play most of my games on this site, but I've played hundreds of mafia games in forums online, or at least between 100 and 200 (I've lost count).
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Post Post #176 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:44 am

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In post 100, Alisaes French Maid wrote:VOTE: nsg

I expect nsg to be doing more.
I'm going to vote you, maybe that will get you to do more.

VOTE: Alisaes French Maid
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Post Post #180 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 179, northsidegal wrote:i've kind of been assuming that this was a nightless game where scum were completely vanilla and thus had no power to nightkill, but the fact that there are obvious power roles already probably means that this isn't true. i think it's probably not worth it forcing everyone to massclaim right now. here's where i'm at on reads:


beeboy / alisae's french maid — a bit of a lack of posting recently. when i started typing this i was going to put him at a townlean for being quick to call rat town in and , but that's a pretty weak reason. overall, null.

garaputo — weird opening. as of recent his posts have been more to what seems like his norm. i'm inclined to think getting into something of a prolonged argument like he has is something that comes more from town than from scum. rat had a good point about him, however, in . also, the vote in is lamist, and something i see a lot coming from scum. actually, i see that so often from scum
VOTE: garaputo

wisdom — pretty much null. i can't get a good read one way or the other from his posts. if i had to say something, the serious response to garaputo's rvs vote in seems self-conscious and scummy to me. to also make a conclusion off of very little, implies that scum have no killing power this game. a reasonable assumption and one that i made myself – specifically bringing it up seems strage, however.

radical rat — probably town. i'm willing to believe that was a genuine townslip, and i like the questioning in .

bujaber — i think bu is more likely town than not. i've played one game with him before where he was scum and his play here and there are pretty different. the game i played with him he came up with an elaborate fake case to push someone on, whereas this game i'm seeing a lot less confidence which indicates to me that he's approaching the game from an uninformed perspective. even beyond that, however, i think his reaction to being pressured hasn't been bad. one point against him, however, is that in he seems to come from the position that wisdom is already town and is simply biased rather than considering the possibility that wisdom is scum pushing his lynch.

ucv — i can't read ucv, all i end up doing is lynching him in every game we're in together. his push on bu in is really bad, and the reasoning in makes me think that this is a disingenuous push, but again – history tells me that i can't reliably tell one way or the other. to do a bit of setup speculation, the fact that both kublai's role and ucv's role both only work day one would make me think that one is scum and the other is town, and that a similar dichotomy would follow in upcoming days.
was a question, which I answered. I also thought the hypocrisy merited the vote in - I'll defend that vote until I swing (and then afterwards).
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Post Post #181 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:59 am

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In post 177, Kublai Khan wrote:scum still has more information than town does. So, that's moot.
This is about the worst possible reason to give scum more information.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:22 am

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In post 183, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 181, garaputo wrote:
In post 177, Kublai Khan wrote:scum still has more information than town does. So, that's moot.
This is about the worst possible reason to give scum more information.
That's really the only thing you have to say?
About that post, yes. The rest was noise.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:07 pm

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In post 186, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 184, garaputo wrote:About that post, yes. The rest was noise.
Well, I'm certainly less inspired to put effort into winning this game. Thanks, scum.
In post 185, northsidegal wrote:
In post 182, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeah... It's stuff like this that bugs me. Instead of pointing me towards scum so that one scum dies and we keep a conftown, you push a plan of keeping scum alive, killing a townie to die so you can continue posting useless two lines posts for another day.

"Great" plan. Way to out-shallow me.
why are you assuming wisdom is town rather than scum wifoming you on the shot?
He was a townread in the beginning. He's been dropping with every post he makes.
Clearly we were having the argument about the merits of a mass claim, when you make specious points ignoring the simple fact that scum benefit from more information by saying that they already have information, you are always going to get that reaction from me. Just because that was really the only part of your post that bears on the discussion we were having isn't my fault.

I'm not your cruise director, I'm not going to be sitting here saying "ra-ra go you" and providing you little gold stars and motivational activities. If that means you are demotivated to play, perhaps you should look inward to find out why you need such validation.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:09 am

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I see a drastic difference in participation between these two and the rest of the players:
  • Radical Rat - 1 day 19 hours
  • Alisaes French Maid - 1 day 21 hours
I've voted both and would encourage others to vote at least until such time as they decide they'd like to join us.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:35 pm

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In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:03 pm

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In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 202, garaputo wrote:
In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?
Depends, is your goal to kill town?
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Post Post #206 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:09 pm

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In post 205, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 204, garaputo wrote:
In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 202, garaputo wrote:
In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?
Depends, is your goal to kill town?
You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.
I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.

Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:16 pm

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In post 207, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 206, garaputo wrote:
In post 205, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 204, garaputo wrote:
In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 202, garaputo wrote:
In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.

You can't fix stupid.
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?
Depends, is your goal to kill town?
You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.
I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.

Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.
So, do you want to comment on any of it? I mean, I'm not sure how tongue-in-cheek stuff is helping. We need to come up with a Day 1 plan instead of dicking around.
I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.

I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.

If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:26 pm

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In post 209, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 208, garaputo wrote:I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.

I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.

If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.
Okay. I'm trying to work with you. But none of that was helpful.

Think beyond "how does this affect me personally" and think about how best to get town to win this game. I want to give you a hand in choosing who I vig, but in return you have to reveal your role. That's the deal.

You can choose not to and you'll be a potential vig victim. In which case (since you still didn't read my "noise"), you would still be alive and mod-confirmed town and I would be dead.
I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.

I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:35 pm

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In post 211, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 210, garaputo wrote:I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.
No deal.
I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.
Why are you putting off responding to it?
I'm not, I am actively saying I have nothing else that I plan to respond to in that post. It's not like it's full of questions for me to answer. You stated some information. I responded to the part of that post that had to do with what we were discussing.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:51 pm

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In post 213, Alisaes French Maid wrote:
In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.

So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
Tbh I don't mind being shot.
I am pretty confident in my ability to find a town that isn't Rat and just POE.

Ima play this game tonight when I am done talking to someone btw.
Case 1: You are town and are advocating another town dying to put a big target on your back.

Case 2: You are scum, in which case, nice bluff I guess?

Either way wanting to be vigged here seems sort of, unwise.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #49) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:14 pm

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In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 216, Alisaes French Maid wrote:Either way we are left with 1 conf town.
It isn't a big deal to me tbh + being an IC would be nice.
You know what's better than a dead towny and you being a conftown?

A dead scum.

Your "shoot me!" bluff is scummy WIFOM.
You had me til here.
In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:Being pro-mass claim would be town.
Not so much this.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #50) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:44 pm

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In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 221, garaputo wrote:
In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:Being pro-mass claim would be town.
Not so much this.
Okay. Let's break this down because I honestly don't know what you hang-up is.

Let's review basic facts:
In an 8 player game, there's probably two scum. Could be three, but that's very unlikely.
Scum can daytalk and tell each other their role.
My role was mod-confirmed at the start of the game. Anyone with an ounce of desire to win the game, likely went to the mafia wiki and learned what a Desperado was if they didn't know already.
UC Voyager demonstrated his role unprompted.

So, if I assume UC Voyager is town (and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then they know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly.

By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up. Right now, then have a marginal one at best.

Since I have to ask you a direct question for you to comment instead of ignoring my posts as noise: @garaputo - Is any of the above incorrect?
I'd bet yes.
In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote: Continuing...

Since I have the penalty that I die if I don't dayvig, that means our lynch is eliminated for today. In fact..

Unvote


Which means everyone can argue and make their cases and convince me to shoot a certain person. Or we can do a massclaim so that we can work out a plan together.

The only reasons I can think of not to massclaim today under these conditions is either because your role is mafia or because you're entertaining dreams of being a hero who survives an breaks important game info at the last minute to nail scum.

So, @garaputo - Are you a team player, a hero, scum, or.... something else?
I signed up to play a game of mafia. I'm here to do that.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:46 pm

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In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote: So, if
I assume UC Voyager is town
(and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then t
hey know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly
.

By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up.
Right now, then have a marginal one at best.
I've taken the liberty to highlight where I'd get my odds on you being wrong.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #52) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:50 am

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In post 141, Alisaes French Maid wrote:I disagree with this being good play tbh.
If we get 1 scum flip and see a role pm I will reevaluate my opinion.
AFM seems against the claim too.
In post 220, Alisaes French Maid wrote:There is no world where we claim real roles and having a mass claim not be a bad idea.
I'm reading through the double negatives here as:
Mass claiming real roles is a bad idea
Correct me if I'm wrong.
In post 229, BuJaber wrote:It's a nightless game that at least 2 people want to play as if it was just a normal game. What's the harm? We wouldn't be arguing about massclaim if it was a normal game so let them be Khan. You tried, you got majority on your side, but not everyone.

That doesn't mean that garaputo and wisdom can't be scum, but we can't scumread them and AFM based on this alone, so further discussion doesn't help. I suspect that one out of the 3 is scum. The challenge is finding out their scum partner.

We can either:
1. Continue like it's a normal game. We have one innocent child which is a decent start. And even without the massclaim this whole debate polarized the players which is perfect because odds are one scum is among the nay voters and 1 or 2 among the yes voters.
How many scum do you think there are in an 8 player game?

This is the second time I've seen the answer 3 floated out there, which seems high from my experience.
In post 229, BuJaber wrote: 2. have everyone who agreed claim already. This gives wisdom and garaputo the most power in the game if scum, and almost as much power as scum if they're town.
AFM seemed pretty anti claim.
In post 229, BuJaber wrote:That puts them at the center of this game. If town they need to assume leadership responsibility and help us win the game. If they don't actively do this insta-lynch. If scum, I suspect that we will be able to find this out. This much power leaks from the pores and we'll sniff it out.
Sort of. Everyone needs to be accountable, it's not like the rest of the game can go on a vacation and expect those against the claim to just solve the game. Basically apply this standard, but to everyone.
In post 229, BuJaber wrote: This is my first nightless game but if it is even slightly similar to one-night ultimate werewolf then what I said above is a valid and winning strategy from countless games of werewolf I've played.


If you don't shoot anybody today do you also die? If so then no lynch is the way to go, and we 'vote' for who you shoot.

Rat is my choice. 2nd choice AFM. AFM over wisdom because I DON'T LET MY CLASH OF STYLE AFFECT MY JUDGEMENT OR MY DESIRE TO WIN THE GAME. No point proving you're townie if you help town lose.
It seems in your post you selectively mention AFM as part of the group unwilling to claim and then don't... why is that?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #53) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:38 am

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Agreed, but I can only vote AFM so hard.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:33 pm

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Is there anybody out there?
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Post Post #239 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:23 pm

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I recommend (and endorse) shooting one of radical rat, NSG, or AFM.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #56) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:28 pm

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In post 240, northsidegal wrote:i don't want khan potentially out of the game. he's making a really good effort to actually try to play here and sort people.
So he should shoot you, to survive.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:33 pm

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In post 242, northsidegal wrote:why am i scum?
Abject lack of participation.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #58) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:37 pm

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Oh goody, you have one more post than the mod now.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #59) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:41 pm

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I thought was pretty terrible, notwithstanding the vote on me. If you can't see the hypocrisy I was pointing out in , I don't know what to say. As I mentioned in , was a question.

All of your posts smack of doing the minimal effort to considered playing. I'd prefer a random vote generator to fill your slot atm.
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Post Post #249 (isolation #60) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:41 pm

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In post 247, northsidegal wrote:in fact, isn't it ironic that the person shading me for being low-activity is the one who had a one-line response to a massive wall, calling the rest of it "fluff"?
Clearly you aren't reading closely. I called it noise (in the context of the discussion we were having).
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Post Post #251 (isolation #61) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:44 pm

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In post 246, northsidegal wrote:what purpose did that post serve? what did you accomplish by saying that?

revel in your sense of smugness all you want. it's not actually you playing the game.
I noted to others that you were until that point, less active than the moderator, which is hard to do for a game going on this long.

Calling attention to your absence is worthwhile in that it'll either get you to be dead and thus really absent, or perhaps get you to do something.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #62) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:48 pm

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In post 252, northsidegal wrote:trying to make responses while i'm mad is a bad idea. i'll respond later.

also, please shoot garputo.
Bad plan is bad, news at 11!
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Post Post #255 (isolation #63) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:50 pm

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In post 254, Radical Rat wrote:I'm also in favor of shooting garaputo
Another non-participant slithering out of the woodwork to spout dumb ideas. I sense a pattern.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #64) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:51 pm

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In post 256, northsidegal wrote:why is shooting you a dumb idea? you don't want to be conftown?
Nope. It's actually been asked and answered, but I can't expect you to actually be following along, with all the effort you've made not posting.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #65) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:53 pm

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In post 258, Radical Rat wrote:I'll admit that I haven't been posting as much as I probably should have, but calling me a non-participant is quite a leap.

Suggested reading, , , .
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Post Post #260 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:54 pm

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I feel pretty happy calling all 3 of you with less than 20 posts non-participants. The solution to changing my position is easy, get back in the pool.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:56 pm

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In post 261, Radical Rat wrote:Yeah, I read those.

I'm not townreading you though, so that does nothing for me.
Well you really aren't reading either, so I'm not impressed with your read.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #68) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:58 pm

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In post 262, northsidegal wrote:no, my question was more in a general sense. calling it a
dumb idea
carries a certain connotation to it. for example, i know that shooting me would be a mistake, but it's not necessarily a
dumb
plan, per se – just a mistake. so why is shooting you a specifically dumb plan?
Because I'm here, and I'm not out not huffing paint thinner.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #69) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:04 pm

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In post 265, Radical Rat wrote:
garaputo wrote:
In post 261, Radical Rat wrote:Yeah, I read those.

I'm not townreading you though, so that does nothing for me.
Well you really aren't reading either, so I'm not impressed with your read.
I wouldn't expect you to be.
If you had not asked me questions that hadn't already been answered, I might be willing to assume that you were closely following the thread, but you've not convinced me of that. Additionally I don't have an actual argument from you to address, so yeah. At least you are here now and participating in a back and forth. That may give me some sense of what your motives are.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:04 pm

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In post 273, northsidegal wrote:
In post 272, Radical Rat wrote:Scummy post.
Khan's an IC, which means he's the only player in the game right now that's 100% trustworthy. Going with his flow as you put it is a natural reaction for Town to have.
Not to say that automatically makes everyone who agrees with him Town nor that everyone who doesn't is scum, but I do believe it to be far more likely scum would be arguing against him, or trying to sell him as incompetent.
no, i think in general scum are more likely to try to align themselves to the conftown than to take a vocally opposing stance.
So clearly we cannot drink the wine in front of you...

Truly a dizzying intellect.

All I'm getting out of this is that we should never get involved in a land war in Asia.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:58 pm

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pull the trigger.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:51 am

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Not sure what's funny. Clearly something has to happen here to move things forward.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:37 pm

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VOTE: northsidegal
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Post Post #289 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:46 pm

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In post 288, Kublai Khan wrote:Neat. I was right.

VOTE: Wisdom
Grats. I was sort of in the let's kill AFM wagon too. :hifive:
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Post Post #293 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:45 pm

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In post 292, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: north
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Post Post #301 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:06 am

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In post 300, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 289, garaputo wrote:
In post 288, Kublai Khan wrote:Neat. I was right.

VOTE: Wisdom
Grats. I was sort of in the let's kill AFM wagon too. :hifive:
VOTE: garaputo

This just seems... Off.
Welcome back to the pool, try not to keep peeing in it?
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Post Post #303 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:07 am

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In post 302, Radical Rat wrote:I'll stop when you do
I'll take that pepsi challenge!

I am quite happy with the people I've claimed are scummy, of the 2 one of them is dead and confirmed scum.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:13 pm

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Congrats UC Voyager on being the next to meet the 2 days without posting mark!

I'll now resume watching paint dry and making posts 12 hours apart without anyone posting in between.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:08 pm

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In post 307, northsidegal wrote:
In post 304, garaputo wrote:Congrats UC Voyager on being the next to meet the 2 days without posting mark!

I'll now resume watching paint dry and making posts 12 hours apart without anyone posting in between.
"look at me, i'm so active"

if you care so much about getting the game moving, why not provide some actual content for other people to work off of? you haven't said anything of substance since the flip.

personally, i think the fact that beeboy was specifically a day two vig makes it more likely that ucv is scum, following along with the theory that there's a town pr and a scum pr for each day. of course, it could be the case that day one there's two town prs and the same for scum day two, but i doubt this. beeboy's also makes it likely to me that they were teamed.

the knowledge of the dayvig does cast the massclaim in a new light, however. while it was initially proposed by the ic, this post:
In post 116, Radical Rat wrote:I don't see why not.
Generally the reason to avoid claiming early is to not get killed, but with no nights that's not an issue right?
gives me pause. yes, it's certainly a reasonable assumption, but the way it's framed makes me slightly suspicious.


VOTE: ucv
On the contrary - I find being able to post walk away for 12+ hours and come back to my own post a sign that no one is active, including myself.

Regardless having people here to bounce ideas of sort of helps for playing the game, I'm glad you came back. I tend to get my reads by interacting with people, something I also mentioned in my 230:
In post 230, garaputo wrote:
In post 229, BuJaber wrote: That puts them at the center of this game. If town they need to assume leadership responsibility and help us win the game. If they don't actively do this insta-lynch. If scum, I suspect that we will be able to find this out. This much power leaks from the pores and we'll sniff it out.

Sort of. Everyone needs to be accountable, it's not like the rest of the game can go on a vacation and expect those against the claim to just solve the game. Basically apply this standard, but to everyone.
I think people that weren't scumreading AFM are a good potential targets for a noose now, and you would be one such person nsg.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:24 pm

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In post 310, northsidegal wrote:
In post 308, garaputo wrote: I think people that weren't scumreading AFM are a good potential targets for a noose now,
why? i wouldn't say it's as if there was any sort of large push on afm that scum would've tried to resist. i didn't scumread him because there was almost nothing from him to go off of. seems a little disingenuous honestly.
there's nothing to say that scum wouldn't have given a scumlean on their buddy in afm's absence
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An even less compelling argument than the one you called disingenuous, don't you think?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #81) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:30 pm

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In post 312, northsidegal wrote:hm? i'm not making that as an argument, i'm saying that it's an equally likely possibility, in my opinion.
Saying that is *equally* likely is itself a less convincing argument than my opinion you call disingenuous.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #82) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:34 pm

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You can buy a lotto ticket and claim "there are only 2 outcomes, I win or I lose, so I have a 50/50 shot" but that just means you don't understand probabilities.

By your own account AFM had done nothing to demonstrate towniness, so folks townreading or not at least partially in favor of an AFM vote should absolutely have some suspicion given the flip.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #83) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:46 pm

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In post 315, northsidegal wrote:
In post 314, garaputo wrote:You can buy a lotto ticket and claim "there are only 2 outcomes, I win or I lose, so I have a 50/50 shot" but that just means you don't understand probabilities.

By your own account AFM had done nothing to demonstrate towniness, so folks townreading or not at least partially in favor of an AFM vote should absolutely have some suspicion given the flip.
i'm a little insulted that you think so poorly of my statistical reasoning. yes, afm hadn't done much, but not everyone approaches the game the same way you do. i'm not a fan of lurker lynches so i'd be hesitant to vote someone who i have as null over someone i actively scumread. unless you're going to make a meta argument as to someone typically willing to vote lurkers but not doing so in this case, i think "the people who townread the flipped scum are themselves scum" is an overly simplistic viewpoint.
I just don't actually think you *really believe* that those things you said were equally likely, in fact are *equally likely*

I was sort of exaggerating to emphasize that.

I also don't think you can bounce the ideas "not everyone approaches the game as you do" up against the idea that you think I'm being disingenuous in so short a span of posts and actually mean both.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #84) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:47 pm

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In post 316, Kublai Khan wrote:@garaputo - What's your current read on UC Voyager?
I think you and I take the way UCV revealed the doublevote and day restriction in pretty opposite ways. I have a slight town read on UCV because of that, but I will review.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #85) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:52 pm

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That didn't take long, looking back I see a few attempts to defend me that have me a bit weary of being pocketed, but nothing that jumps out at me as scummy based on the AFM flip.

I sort of agree with the pokes at Bu in and his argument in obviously applied to AFM
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Post Post #323 (isolation #86) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 321, northsidegal wrote:i'm not sure how else you guys expected ucv to reveal the double vote. like, would you expect scum to quickhammer someone with it? that would practically be suicide.
UCV didn't have to own up to the restriction on it.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #87) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 320, northsidegal wrote:
In post 317, garaputo wrote:I also don't think you can bounce the ideas "not everyone approaches the game as you do" up against the idea that you think I'm being disingenuous in so short a span of posts and actually mean both.
"people townreading scum are themselves scum" doesn't seem like an idea that i would expect you to hold, so you putting it forward seems strange to me. it's likely that my initial impression of you is what was off, but i don't think those two ideas are contrasting or conflicting at all.
Yeah I think you are talking past me towards your strawman. I said that people townreading scum are a good place to look for scum. These are not nearly the same thing.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #88) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:01 pm

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In post 326, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 318, garaputo wrote:
In post 316, Kublai Khan wrote:@garaputo - What's your current read on UC Voyager?
I think you and I take the way UCV revealed the doublevote and day restriction in pretty opposite ways. I have a slight town read on UCV because of that, but I will review.
Well, the thing that bugs me about the day restriction is that it's unprovable. It might just be a lie to make it seem like his power is nerfed.
Whether or not it's true, it's not necessary to claim it *then*
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Post Post #329 (isolation #89) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:03 pm

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In post 325, northsidegal wrote:
In post 323, garaputo wrote:
In post 321, northsidegal wrote:i'm not sure how else you guys expected ucv to reveal the double vote. like, would you expect scum to quickhammer someone with it? that would practically be suicide.
UCV didn't have to own up to the restriction on it.
i don't really see how that's ai.
As I said then, and below, it's not what is being claimed, but when. I think scum in general try to sit on the info they have that the town doesn't have.
In post 325, northsidegal wrote:
In post 324, garaputo wrote:
In post 320, northsidegal wrote:
In post 317, garaputo wrote:I also don't think you can bounce the ideas "not everyone approaches the game as you do" up against the idea that you think I'm being disingenuous in so short a span of posts and actually mean both.
"people townreading scum are themselves scum" doesn't seem like an idea that i would expect you to hold, so you putting it forward seems strange to me. it's likely that my initial impression of you is what was off, but i don't think those two ideas are contrasting or conflicting at all.
Yeah I think you are talking past me towards your strawman. I said that people townreading scum are a good place to look for scum. These are not nearly the same thing.
i don't see a huge difference really, but i'm willing to accept that there is one and leave it there.
Fair enough. I do think there is a big difference between saying "this pool is a good source of potential lynches" and "everyone in this pool is scum for sure"

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Post Post #330 (isolation #90) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:05 pm

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In post 328, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.11
garaputo (0)-

northsidegal (0)-

Wisdom (0)-

Radical Rat (0)-

BuJaber (0)-

UC Voyager (3)-
northsidegal, Kublai Khan, Radical Rat
(L-2)

Kublai Khan (0)-


Not Voting (4)-
garaputo, Wisdom, BuJaber, UC Voyager

With 7 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-10 13:15:00) - Jan 10th 13:15 GMT
@mod: Is missed accidentally and meant to be in the above count? I'm asking in case something else is surpressing it.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #91) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:22 pm

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In post 332, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 327, garaputo wrote:
In post 326, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 318, garaputo wrote:
In post 316, Kublai Khan wrote:@garaputo - What's your current read on UC Voyager?
I think you and I take the way UCV revealed the doublevote and day restriction in pretty opposite ways. I have a slight town read on UCV because of that, but I will review.
Well, the thing that bugs me about the day restriction is that it's unprovable. It might just be a lie to make it seem like his power is nerfed.
Whether or not it's true, it's not necessary to claim it *then*
I guess I'm figuring that they knew they had a Day 2 vig and a Day 1 vig existed, therefore they knew single-day powers were a re-occurring motif in this game.

I'll grant that it's pure speculation plus the Alisaes French Maid non-vote is what's nagging at me. I'll give a hard look at your northsidegal case tomorrow.
You'll note nsg never answered the question in

The themes of the case on nsg are covered here:



I obviously was pro the vig on AFM, Radical Rat, and nsg, and of those, one is dead scum, one is here participating and one is radical rat.

I haven't really switched to RR because I don't get two votes, but I'd be happy with that lynch too.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #92) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:19 am

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In post 336, BuJaber wrote: I also agree with nsg that garaputo while not wrong is oversimplifying the situation and is being too picky regarding the word choices of nsg.
Did you miss the part where it was nsg calling my opinion disingenuous and me replying to that, or does your criticism of me being to picky about word choices persist despite it being me defending myself?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #93) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:50 am

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Fair enough. Not sure where everyone else is but the bulk of my day today is clearing snow. I'll be back after the next round of shoveling and some cocoa to discuss further.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #94) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:46 am

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I think I can be sold this case, I'm signaling intent to hammer. I'll give it a bit for folks to talk while I continue today's never ending snow removal.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #95) » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:31 pm

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In post 361, northsidegal wrote:that's an odd switch from your previous opinion of ucv being town and me being scum. what changed your mind?
The bottom part of and the reread it triggered, plus your participation, and some thoughts on Radical Rat. I'm not trying to be elusive or cryptic but I'm currently exhausted from storm cleanup. I'll give a full answer tomorrow.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:26 am

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A little bit more to expand on the above. My vote on you nsg was largely because of lack of participation which has changed. Rereading UCV has refreshed my concerns about being buddied up to as well as concerns about whether UCV actually cares to solve the game. I still think Radical Rat stinks, but I'm not seeing any traction there, and I think voting for someone Radical Rat wants lynched can help provide some insight. That's still cliff notes version but real life is being a bit of a pain.

I'm going to move my vote for now to reflect my intent.

VOTE: UC Voyager
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Post Post #372 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:05 am

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I'm not swayed by the UCV can't be coscum with AFM by balance argument.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 378, Kublai Khan wrote:What I know about setup is that I had to publicly state my dayvig. Looking at Alisaes French Maid's role PM, she did not.

UC Voyager's double vote is accounted for by the mod (7 alive, 5 to lynch). Which means that we (as town) have to convince UC Voyager to go along with a lynch. If UC Voyager was scum, then it's really odd that we'd have to convince the last remaining scum to vote a certain way to get a lynch.

If UC Voyager is exactly what he says he is, then he is a VT tomorrow and we can deal with that later.

Right now, with the remaining time, I'd like to encourage a wagon on lurking Wisdom.
We did get that intensely powerful contribution when prodded of "here"

I don't know if we want to deprive ourselves of such insight.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #99) » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:44 pm

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To clarify - <s>I don't know if I can live with myself if I were to deprive the town from such obvious effort to solve the game as 1 word responses to a prod. </s>
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Post Post #396 (isolation #100) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:02 am

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I'm happy with lynching any of UC Voyager, Radical Rat, and Wisdom. I think that wisdom and radical rat are jumping up the list fast, so I'll go with the conftown vote for now:

VOTE: Wisdom
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Post Post #399 (isolation #101) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:46 am

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VOTE: Radical Rat
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Post Post #400 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:46 am

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I believe that is L-1
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Post Post #403 (isolation #103) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:11 am

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boo urns. Bad NSG. Rat is a good call.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #104) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:30 am

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In post 405, northsidegal wrote:i don't really have anything against rat other than "he hasn't done much". the exact same could be said about ucv, along with the setup spec.
It worked pretty well as the argument for AFM.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #105) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:42 pm

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This may be the first time someone said to me "you're right" in my adult life.

I will have to consider how to process this unexpected turn of events.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:59 am

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In post 414, BuJaber wrote:Ehh I had a bigger issue with you suspecting UCV and wisdom.

Guys what do we think about a massclaim now that 1 scum is dead?

Garaputo I don't understand the wisdom vote, care to dumb it down?
I'm still against a massclaim. If you want to understand the wisdom vote read , and . Contrast with the post you'd expect from someone who wants to solve the game. Bonus points if you iso Wisdom and see the abject lack of interaction with AFM.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:02 am

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In post 416, BuJaber wrote:Beeboy is AFM right?
I've been working on that assumption, yes.
In post 416, BuJaber wrote: wisdom said the only players he's played with before is beeboy. So possibly we should have gotten some comments about AFM from wisdom
I would have stopped here and evaluated this more prior to breezing past it, but sure, let's move on.
In post 416, BuJaber wrote: I find it extremely unlikely that scum wisdom will state clearly that he is anti-massclaim, then have his partner AFM also state the same opinion and them not distancing themselves or talking about it in day chat that one of them probably should change their stance.
So clearly I cannot drink the wine in front of you.
In post 416, BuJaber wrote: Anyway that's my opinion but thanks for explaining. I picked up on those posts of yours just wasn't sure if there's anything else.
Nope that's about it.
In post 416, BuJaber wrote: By my count rat is at L-2. I'm still down to lynch either UCV or rat, but for now I'm leaning towards UCV but will hammer at rat L-1.
Something about this part of this post just feels off. I dunno it's just my spidey sense or something but I do not like this.

I'll even go so far as to say - I make posts like this as town, and still this part of the post feels distinctly non-town to me.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:09 am

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I think this tripped off the same alarm bells for me as this post from guacamole in newbie 1837: viewtopic.php?p=9821728#p9821728

It's the tacit assumption that these two options are the only ones that bothers me. The lynch pool need not be restricted in this fashion.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:44 am

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In post 419, BuJaber wrote:
In post 417, garaputo wrote:
I'll even go so far as to say - I make posts like this as town, and still this part of the post feels distinctly non-town to me.
Such is life.


Look last time I stated intent to hammer it got you to vote for rat, got nsg to unvote and vote for ucv, got ucv to post, and got rat to post. A lot more to go on than before. For example I was almost at a conftownread for nsg, but even though unvoting at L-1 isn't AI, I'm now finding myself having to put him back down to a nullread. In this regard, in the off-chance that there are 3 scum and rat is lynched and flips scum nsg would be next for sure.

I want to see what happens this time. I also don't want people thinking I changed my mind about the hammer, because I haven't. Rat would probably be dead now if I were here when you voted for him. I didn't expect it to come so fast after my intent to hammer.

The lynch pool need not be restricted for all players, but from my perspective as of now those are the only 2 I want to vote for.
Of the people you don't want to vote for, are there any (other than you) that you would refuse to vote for before the deadline?
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Post Post #422 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:49 am

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I'd like to see last words from the drowning rat.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:05 am

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You could say a brief prayer for our departed rat as you lynch. Seems fitting.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #112) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:58 am

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I'm not liking this just vote without discussion thing much. I'm also not able to do much rereading right now. I should have time later tonight.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #113) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 455, northsidegal wrote:like, i don't think i can make this clear enough – if ucv intended to use his double vote at all day one, even completely disregarding his alignment i would still expect him to reveal it in the way that he did. it's
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non-alignment indicative.

i also think that this conversation has become too focused on who's correct in this argument rather than what it actually means for the game at large, so i'm happy to just stop talking about it if you'd like.
I think that is the rub. I think you are correct that *if* UCV wants to use the doublevote it's NAI.

I think answering that if may actually be alignment indicative.

I can easily see a world where scum wouldn't want the attention.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #114) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:11 pm

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In post 437, BuJaber wrote:VOTE: wisdom

Garaputo is next in case wisdom is town. Let's flip assumptions upside down.
In post 443, BuJaber wrote:
In post 441, Wisdom wrote:tbh we can just keep lynching until we win

scum dont seem like they can kill after all

My thought exactly, but does anyone else think if UCV is scum we're just screwed? I am not prepared to suspect him. With the exception of Khan and UCV,
I will lynch everyone else one by one
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tbh Khan I wouldn't be shocked if nsg were scum, and it's not like wisdom will vote for himself.
This would at least be an entertaining premise, one that I'd be more willing to entertain if I trusted you.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #115) » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:08 am

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In post 460, BuJaber wrote:Likewise garap. Yeah I've been townreading you forever, but that is what makes you dangerous alive if we don't lynch scum today, because you could be scum and the only way I'd know is through a guess or process of elimination.
I get this, all I ask is that if you do want to kill me, do it early, don't make me the kill at lynch or lose time.
In post 460, BuJaber wrote: This is frustrating. I get nsg's point. So I reread UCV's ISO. I should have done it earlier. UCV's ISO is lacking. His RVS vote seems too unrandom. From what I can see the only people he's suspected all game were Rat and me.
From what I gather there is also a meta change from his town game. Whether that definitely means he's scum I'm not sure.

It also occurs to me that just because I was wrong with rat doesn't mean I've been wrong about wisdom/garaputo. And it is very difficult to play if you never trust your reads/instincts.
This resonates with me.
In post 460, BuJaber wrote: Okay if UCV is telling the truth and town then he is just a VT now. So worse case scenario we hit another VT.

Because of how wisdom is playing his lynch will always be debated. So maybe we don't need to lynch him first.
Wisdom why are you suspecting nsg?

VOTE: UCV
In post 461, BuJaber wrote:
In post 460, BuJaber wrote:From what I can see the only people he's suspected all game were Rat and me.

To add to this, he didn't participate in AFM lynch, doesn't mention her or interact with her until after her lynch to push the rat lynch.
Ok sure, I'll play along with that for now.

VOTE: UCV
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Post Post #466 (isolation #116) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:16 am

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I am less confident in my reads since the Rat flip, but I also am getting more and more into the spirit of let's do stuff and see what happens here.
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Post Post #476 (isolation #117) » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm

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VOTE: Wisdom
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Post Post #479 (isolation #118) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:52 am

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Even more importantly, will they vote?
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Post Post #481 (isolation #119) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:21 am

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I'm fine with this becoming a competition to see which of the two of you can pull of the best approximation of trying to play.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #120) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:01 am

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You can consider me a UCV vote too. Like I said both of you should try and post as if you were townie, and I'll vote off the least convincing performance.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #121) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:34 am

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I mean you are both not acting like you are town and I'm prepared to see either of you swing. I'd like to use the threat of it to get you both to *do things* that may make it clearer who actually may be town.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #122) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:32 am

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In post 488, Wisdom wrote:you have wrong expectations

people not putting in effort just means theyre lazy, not that theyre not town
Doing nothing means that I have no way of knowing one way or the other.
In post 489, Wisdom wrote:if anything we're probably both town and scum is going to be bu or something
Well now that you've dipped your toe back into the pool, why don't you come actually swim and make that case?
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Post Post #492 (isolation #123) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:43 am

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In post 491, Wisdom wrote:i dont make cases even when i actually play, let alone now

i just remember uc did something towny d1
Glad to see you at least own your lack of effort.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #124) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:53 am

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It's not like I'm never around to hammer if we get another vote. I'm happy where it is for now.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #125) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:30 am

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Works for me VOTE: BU
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Post Post #519 (isolation #126) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:22 pm

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In post 518, UC Voyager wrote:Wisdom's reaction was fucking gold. He gives a scum read and confirms he is town. Everyone currently voting wisdom should unvote.

My case works entirely in context.

The POE was total bullshit and it was formed by scum.


You are the person pushing us and where is your scum hunt. You just say "UCV and wisdom are lurking, POE". Lurking doesn't mean someone is scum.
Lurking doesn't mean someone is not scum either. See also: AFM this game.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #127) » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:45 pm

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I'm all for blindly sheeping responsibly.

Stay classy my friends.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #128) » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am

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I'd really like it if we lynched someone. Can we make that happen?
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Post Post #526 (isolation #129) » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:54 pm

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In post 496, garaputo wrote:It's not like I'm never around to hammer if we get another vote. I'm happy where it is for now.
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In post 525, northsidegal wrote:
In post 523, garaputo wrote:I'd really like it if we lynched someone. Can we make that happen?
hm, you still haven't moved your vote. with this in mind:
In post 487, garaputo wrote:I mean you are both not acting like you are town and I'm prepared to see either of you swing. I'd like to use the threat of it to get you both to *do things* that may make it clearer who actually may be town.
is it, for some reason, clear to you that both ucv and wisdom are town?
See above.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #130) » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:47 am

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Sure if you want a vote I'll give you one UCV.

VOTE: UC Voyager
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Post Post #538 (isolation #131) » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 537, Wisdom wrote:zzz

lets lynch bu
not me, not now.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #132) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:33 am

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In post 544, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 543, Wisdom wrote:when i flip youll realize its not all as black and white as that
Sure, I acknowledge that. But you took a shitty vow to uphold your shitty meta of not posting complex thoughts in a game where it's helpful for your follow players to understand the motivations behind your actions. So based on what you did post and what you didn't post, you are most likely to be scum.
Sure VOTE: Wisdom
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Post Post #548 (isolation #133) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:52 am

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In post 547, UC Voyager wrote:Hold up guys. Can we stop for second think long and hard about gara's band wagoning?
Good plan.
Do that, conclude I'm town and then kill somebody already.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #134) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:58 am

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^ do that first UCV
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Post Post #552 (isolation #135) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:32 am

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Oh yeah durr hurr, the fake lynch. I must have been huffing paint thinner to have forgotten that.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #136) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:56 am

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But it would have been a lynch Kublai Khan...
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Post Post #559 (isolation #137) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:17 am

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VOTE: uc voyager
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Post Post #563 (isolation #138) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:29 am

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In post 561, BuJaber wrote:
In post 557, Wisdom wrote:yeh just lynch me and move on or we're gonna go in circles forever

its really hard to lose the game anyway

What would be your lynch order? I specifically want to know how many mislynches it would take for you to vote garap, and would it be before or after nsg.


So ucv you think gara pretty much gained a townread from everyone only so he could use it later to win the game? It's very dedicated and I don't mean to disrespect anyone here I don't think that's easy to do.

He's playing scummy right now because people are bored and want a lynch to happen.
Should I be flattered by this? I think I'm going to be, yes. I'm flattered.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #139) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:57 pm

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yes to either.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #140) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:09 am

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In post 569, BuJaber wrote:Khan what I gather from this now is that you need to pick me or ucv today. Wisdom not getting votes on by anyone other than you.

Garaputo it wasn't supposed to be flattering unless you are scum........ are ypu telling us something?
Nobody could pull it off is what I meant to say it literally requires you to know the future so that you would play as ucv suggested. But I really like that he's considering everyone.
I'm not scum, I'm just easily flattered :)

@Kublai Khan - but I asked you to sheep me first!
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Post Post #571 (isolation #141) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:10 am

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Oh wait, that was NSG - NSG asked you to sheep UCV first!
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Post Post #576 (isolation #142) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:50 am

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I'll vote with kublai Khan and NSG on whomever they chose (including me).
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Post Post #580 (isolation #143) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:01 am

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I prefer voting bu to wisdom at this point, will wait for our conftown to weigh in.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #144) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:20 am

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not feeling nsg. If kublia khan is so be it.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #145) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:10 am

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In post 594, BuJaber wrote: What do you guys think? Does that make a difference?
I think it does not matter.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #146) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:25 am

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And now for a random monty python quote:

Supreme executive power is derived through a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!

Also, let's lynch bu.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #147) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:33 am

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In post 599, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 596, garaputo wrote:Also, let's lynch bu.
No, he's town and you've driven the last two mislynches.

We are lynching Wisdom today.

VOTE: Wisdom
Alright then.

VOTE: Wisdom
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Post Post #602 (isolation #148) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:33 am

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L-1
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Post Post #612 (isolation #149) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:35 pm

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gg all! I had fun being bloodthirsty sheep bandwagoner at the end.
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