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Capriciousness and/or whimsy.
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I will insist on still making silly jokes, but regarding images, I will restrain myself for your benefit.In post 21, Kublai Khan wrote:@wisdom - I gather you've played with garaputo before. Has he said anything notable so far?
@garaputo - Could you not post large images for the sake of silly jokes?- garaputo
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I don't believe that you really think it "can only mean one thing" - do you really think that?In post 23, Radical Rat wrote:Because of the comment about Wisdom killing him in his sleep.
Talking about night kills this early can only mean one thing.... Scumminess- garaputo
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I said will you remember me, not will you vote me. You are doing this wrong.
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You've got it backwards. I'm joking because I've got nothing to hide.In post 47, BuJaber wrote:Exactly why are people so eager to townread Rat?
Garaputo maybe this is just your style but I think you're trying to cover up your scumminess with the jokey attitude.
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I owe you no redemption as much as you owe me no unvote.In post 55, BuJaber wrote:Show me one thing garaputo posted in the game that is actuallly about the game.
It's all jokes or references or irrelevant things. Yet his postcount is higher than the average in our game so far.
I didn't like his opening and he hasn't redeemed himself yet.
However, my first post was about the game, so in that I've met your standard.
I'm not going to change how I play to meet your metric of being redeemed, however I imagine that you'll find that when there is a bit more substance to react to, you'll see more of what you want from me.- garaputo
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I was going to argue that using the word honestly here was an indication of scumminess as some players use it when they know that they are lying, but then I looked back through the finished games north played in.In post 37, northsidegal wrote:
i honestly forget that there was an ic in this game. sorry, i'm in a lot of games right now and i think i mixed things up. i wasn't trying to troll, i was naked voting to try to bait reactions.
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Spoiler: nsg's "honestly" posts in completed games
Turns out nsg seems to say "honestly" more often when town.- garaputo
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Use merge sort.In post 70, UC Voyager wrote:If I had to say right now, bujaber
Tbh, I don't have any solid reads. I still have to sort people
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I have replaced in one towngame, where the town was apathetic (that doesn't apply here)In post 72, northsidegal wrote:garaputo, why are you acting so different compared to your completed towngames?
In the other there was a nancy as a foil (also doesn't apply here).
I reserve the right to add one more reason here, that I don't want to get into today.- garaputo
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@nsg - I would like you to clarify which half of the town you are townreading.In post 67, northsidegal wrote:@garaputo, that's more of a function of me only having one completed scumgame than me being town.
by the way, i'm already townreading half of the playerlist.
VOTE: ucv
@Alisaes - I think overall the last couple days (and today) are not going to be up to snuff when it comes to effort/focus.
I sort of townread UCV for revealing the doublevote this early. I imagine scum have an interest in using it as a surprise.- garaputo
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Get the votes and do it then. I'd rather play mafia than whatever this claim or no claim thing is.In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:
If you refuse to claim and can't come up with a better argument than "the plan is stupid" then you will die.In post 131, garaputo wrote:I think this plan is stupid and I am likely to refuse to claim on general principle.
If you can convince everyone I'm scum because I don't want to go through with this bad plan, guess what, a game of actual mafia broke out!- garaputo
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I don't have to convince you to cooperate, I can just go on playing mafia as if your plan is noise and get what I want. I don't have to have a reason (although I've actually stated one you've ignored) as what I'm advocating for is the default state here. You should consider that your plan will be at least partially unsuccessful should you continue advocating for it. I'm just giving you advance notice that should you continue down this path, when it comes time for me to claim, you'll have to deal with the fact that I won't.In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:
I can be convinced to not go with the mass claim plan if you have a good argument. "It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.In post 134, garaputo wrote:
Get the votes and do it then. I'd rather play mafia than whatever this claim or no claim thing is.In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:
If you refuse to claim and can't come up with a better argument than "the plan is stupid" then you will die.In post 131, garaputo wrote:I think this plan is stupid and I am likely to refuse to claim on general principle.
If you can convince everyone I'm scum because I don't want to go through with this bad plan, guess what, a game of actual mafia broke out!
I can tell you there's at least one town on the let's not claim side.In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:
You're halting the game by dodging/ignoring my questions. Convince me that mass claim is a bad idea.In post 135, Wisdom wrote:garaputo is right; all youve managed to do is halt the game and let scum hide in "lets claim" posts
Also, are you clearing garaputo? Why would scum be in the "lets claim" posts and not on the "lets not claim" side? Wouldn't scum likely be one on each side of this argument?- garaputo
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This logic is flawed.In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did itIn post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.In post 139, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, this game is nightless, which means no night-kills. So if everything is on the table, we can 1) work out a plan and 2) trap scum into claims they may regret.
Convince me of a reason not to mass claim that don't include the words "stupid" or "bad". I'm not trying to steamroll the game. You feel strongly about your position so convince me I'm wrong.- garaputo
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I said in post 118In post 139, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, this game is nightless, which means no night-kills. So if everything is on the table, we can 1) work out a plan and 2) trap scum into claims they may regret.
Convince me of a reason not to mass claim that don't include the words "stupid" or "bad". I'm not trying to steamroll the game. You feel strongly about your position so convince me I'm wrong.
What have you said that acknowledges or contradicts this?the claim will likely allow the scum to zero in on the right folks to kill.
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Derp on me for forgetting that Desperado IC part, but the lotic applies still to the collective form of "you" there.In post 146, Radical Rat wrote:In post 143, garaputo wrote:
This logic is flawed.In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did itIn post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.
I mean. From a neutral point of view he's a mod confirmed desperado IC.- garaputo
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I am completely opposed to claiming.In post 151, Radical Rat wrote:Though one thing I find interesting is that you only explicitly opposed this after NSG mentioned voting the refusals, which makes it seem as though you're not completely opposed to massclaiming itself. Is that correct?- garaputo
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I like to understand a plan before I react to it. I inquired as to logistics.In post 155, Radical Rat wrote:Then why did you act like you weren't?- garaputo
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Again that doesn't mean UC is town. Also UC wasn't outed so much as has stepped forward.In post 159, Kublai Khan wrote:
This is bugging me. Did you also forget that UC Voyager is mod-confirmed to be non-vanilla as well?In post 147, garaputo wrote:
Derp on me for forgetting that Desperado IC part, but the lotic applies still to the collective form of "you" there.In post 146, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean. From a neutral point of view he's a mod confirmed desperado IC.In post 143, garaputo wrote:
This logic is flawed.In post 138, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.In post 137, Wisdom wrote:
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did itIn post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.- garaputo
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You are stating the conclusion without support with "Mass claiming here doesn't help scum"In post 161, BuJaber wrote:Scum can hide behind anything. It's definitely possible. Gaining town's favor is highly beneficial so scum can and will sometimes do things that hurt them in hopes that they can benefit from that credit later on in the game.
Mass claiming here doesn't help scum. I was originally hesitant because I forgot it's a nightless game. Nightless game makes it rather favorable to town. So while I wouldn't expect scum to support the lynch, some players in such a situation would definitely choose to hide their intentions with the majority. It is the 'default' scum play. We are very likely looking at 1-2 on the let's not claim side and the remainder (if any) on the let's claim side. Therefore being in favor or against is by itself not AI unfortunately.
I don't know how to interpret wisdom's posts so far. I want to say he's scum but I'm likely influenced by bias. He doesn't seem the talkative type which always makes it harder. Guess it comes down to whether his confidence is faked by scum, or it's from a townie which generally speaking means they aren't afraid of being scumread.
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Same argument. Unless you are scum, you have no idea what the scum know or don't. The mod has explicitly stated "Power Roles were decided by flavour, VTs were then randomised from a list of characters, the left over characters were then given to scum as fakeclaims,In post 157, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 145, Wisdom wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.
This; usually games that are nightless have some other mechanic in place; we know nothing about the setup right now
Neither do scum. Isn't it to the scum's advantage to keep town blindly guessing and pointing fingers until we get to a Day X LyLo or MyLo situation?
This could be a mostly vanilla game or a role-madness game. Neither Town nor Scum knows that at this point, so scum is at bigger risk claiming today then waiting until a few flips happen.
it is impossible to break the game via flavour"
In your best case scenario, the town tell the truth, the scum lie, and pick bad lies. Even in that best case scenario the scum gain more correct information than the town does.- garaputo
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I reject the notion that it looks bad for anyone to not participate in this plan. My point about logistics has been thus: this plan *forces* nothing other than a reaction to the plan, and then we go play mafia again and decide who to vote.In post 168, BuJaber wrote:In post 164, garaputo wrote:
Same argument. Unless you are scum, you have no idea what the scum know or don't. The mod has explicitly stated "Power Roles were decided by flavour, VTs were then randomised from a list of characters, the left over characters were then given to scum as fakeclaims,In post 157, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 145, Wisdom wrote:
In post 143, garaputo wrote:
Just because the game is nightless, it does not follow that vomiting all the role information into the thread won't hurt the town.
This; usually games that are nightless have some other mechanic in place; we know nothing about the setup right now
Neither do scum. Isn't it to the scum's advantage to keep town blindly guessing and pointing fingers until we get to a Day X LyLo or MyLo situation?
This could be a mostly vanilla game or a role-madness game. Neither Town nor Scum knows that at this point, so scum is at bigger risk claiming today then waiting until a few flips happen.
it is impossible to break the game via flavour"
In your best case scenario, the town tell the truth, the scum lie, and pick bad lies. Even in that best case scenario the scum gain more correct information than the town does.
Good point but lies are harder to tell than the truth. I suspect the mass claim intention that comes from Khan - a confirmed townie, is that it forces scum to lie, because if they refuse to participate after the majority decide it's the way to go it looks bad on them. Forcing scum to post and lie is good because one of the best scum weapons is their ability to lurk along without saying too much so as to remain in the not alignment indicative zone of posting.
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You are reaching the correct conclusion for the wrong reason. I'm town but it's entirely in my scum range to do this.In post 171, BuJaber wrote:In post 169, Wisdom wrote:you're scummy
Oh wow let's go home everyone wisdom doesn't need any help.
Well I've guaranteed my enjoyment for the game. I no longer care what we do I'm gonna have fun in any case seeing people trying to justify their wrong read on me. Funny how the most experience always tunnel the hardest.
I hope to god I don't become this biased as my experience grows.
Garaputo it is specifically this reaction that is why you're town. Scum don't have the privilege of rejecting the mass claim as strongly as you are.
Also, it may not be obvious since I didn't play most of my games on this site, but I've played hundreds of mafia games in forums online, or at least between 100 and 200 (I've lost count).- garaputo
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I'm going to vote you, maybe that will get you to do more.
VOTE: Alisaes French Maid- garaputo
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151 was a question, which I answered. I also thought the hypocrisy merited the vote in 176 - I'll defend that vote until I swing (and then afterwards).In post 179, northsidegal wrote:i've kind of been assuming that this was a nightless game where scum were completely vanilla and thus had no power to nightkill, but the fact that there are obvious power roles already probably means that this isn't true. i think it's probably not worth it forcing everyone to massclaim right now. here's where i'm at on reads:
beeboy / alisae's french maid — a bit of a lack of posting recently. when i started typing this i was going to put him at a townlean for being quick to call rat town in 42 and 64, but that's a pretty weak reason. overall, null.
garaputo — weird opening. as of recent his posts have been more to what seems like his norm. i'm inclined to think getting into something of a prolonged argument like he has is something that comes more from town than from scum. rat had a good point about him, however, in 151. also, the vote in 176 is lamist, and something i see a lot coming from scum. actually, i see that so often from scum
VOTE: garaputo
wisdom — pretty much null. i can't get a good read one way or the other from his posts. if i had to say something, the serious response to garaputo's rvs vote in 13 seems self-conscious and scummy to me. to also make a conclusion off of very little, 31 implies that scum have no killing power this game. a reasonable assumption and one that i made myself – specifically bringing it up seems strage, however.
radical rat — probably town. i'm willing to believe that 23 was a genuine townslip, and i like the questioning in 51.
bujaber — i think bu is more likely town than not. i've played one game with him before where he was scum and his play here and there are pretty different. the game i played with him he came up with an elaborate fake case to push someone on, whereas this game i'm seeing a lot less confidence which indicates to me that he's approaching the game from an uninformed perspective. even beyond that, however, i think his reaction to being pressured hasn't been bad. one point against him, however, is that in 171 he seems to come from the position that wisdom is already town and is simply biased rather than considering the possibility that wisdom is scum pushing his lynch.
ucv — i can't read ucv, all i end up doing is lynching him in every game we're in together. his push on bu in 92 is really bad, and the reasoning in 96 makes me think that this is a disingenuous push, but again – history tells me that i can't reliably tell one way or the other. to do a bit of setup speculation, the fact that both kublai's role and ucv's role both only work day one would make me think that one is scum and the other is town, and that a similar dichotomy would follow in upcoming days.- garaputo
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This is about the worst possible reason to give scum more information.In post 177, Kublai Khan wrote:scum still has more information than town does. So, that's moot.- garaputo
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About that post, yes. The rest was noise.In post 183, Kublai Khan wrote:
That's really the only thing you have to say?In post 181, garaputo wrote:
This is about the worst possible reason to give scum more information.In post 177, Kublai Khan wrote:scum still has more information than town does. So, that's moot.- garaputo
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Clearly we were having the argument about the merits of a mass claim, when you make specious points ignoring the simple fact that scum benefit from more information by saying that they already have information, you are always going to get that reaction from me. Just because that was really the only part of your post that bears on the discussion we were having isn't my fault.In post 186, Kublai Khan wrote:
Well, I'm certainly less inspired to put effort into winning this game. Thanks, scum.In post 184, garaputo wrote:About that post, yes. The rest was noise.
He was a townread in the beginning. He's been dropping with every post he makes.In post 185, northsidegal wrote:
why are you assuming wisdom is town rather than scum wifoming you on the shot?In post 182, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeah... It's stuff like this that bugs me. Instead of pointing me towards scum so that one scum dies and we keep a conftown, you push a plan of keeping scum alive, killing a townie to die so you can continue posting useless two lines posts for another day.
"Great" plan. Way to out-shallow me.
I'm not your cruise director, I'm not going to be sitting here saying "ra-ra go you" and providing you little gold stars and motivational activities. If that means you are demotivated to play, perhaps you should look inward to find out why you need such validation.- garaputo
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The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.
So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
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Depends, is your goal to kill town?In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?In post 202, garaputo wrote:
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.
So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
You can't fix stupid.- garaputo
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I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.In post 205, Kublai Khan wrote:
You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.In post 204, garaputo wrote:
Depends, is your goal to kill town?In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?In post 202, garaputo wrote:
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.
So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
You can't fix stupid.
Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.- garaputo
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I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.In post 207, Kublai Khan wrote:
So, do you want to comment on any of it? I mean, I'm not sure how tongue-in-cheek stuff is helping. We need to come up with a Day 1 plan instead of dicking around.In post 206, garaputo wrote:
I wasn't calling you stupid, I was explicitly not doing that. I was calling the plan to lynch folks against the mass claim stupid.In post 205, Kublai Khan wrote:
You can't call me stupid if you can't be bothered to read noise.In post 204, garaputo wrote:
Depends, is your goal to kill town?In post 203, Kublai Khan wrote:
Would it be a bad idea to vig you?In post 202, garaputo wrote:
The moderator has put certain restraints on the limits of how I can react to this post. Consider this solely about your proposed plan and not about you.In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.
So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
You can't fix stupid.
Also my response was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek in case that wasn't obvious.
I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.
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I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.In post 209, Kublai Khan wrote:
Okay. I'm trying to work with you. But none of that was helpful.In post 208, garaputo wrote:I think my comment is clear, don't vig me.
I doubt there is wisdom in vigging wisdom.
If you weren't modfirmed your role would be precisely the sort of mechanism I think the scum would have.
Think beyond "how does this affect me personally" and think about how best to get town to win this game. I want to give you a hand in choosing who I vig, but in return you have to reveal your role. That's the deal.
You can choose not to and you'll be a potential vig victim. In which case (since you still didn't read my "noise"), you would still be alive and mod-confirmed town and I would be dead.
I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.- garaputo
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I'm not, I am actively saying I have nothing else that I plan to respond to in that post. It's not like it's full of questions for me to answer. You stated some information. I responded to the part of that post that had to do with what we were discussing.In post 211, Kublai Khan wrote:
No deal.In post 210, garaputo wrote:I am willing to help you pick a target, but I'm not willing to reveal my role to you today.
Why are you putting off responding to it?I think you are mixing up "haven't responded to" and "haven't read" regarding that post.- garaputo
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Case 1: You are town and are advocating another town dying to put a big target on your back.In post 213, Alisaes French Maid wrote:
Tbh I don't mind being shot.In post 199, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, everyone is for a massclaim except Wisdom, garaputo, and Alisaes French Maid.
So our lynch pool is reduced to 3 people because I'm waving a gun.
I am pretty confident in my ability to find a town that isn't Rat and just POE.
Ima play this game tonight when I am done talking to someone btw.
Case 2: You are scum, in which case, nice bluff I guess?
Either way wanting to be vigged here seems sort of, unwise.- garaputo
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You had me til here.In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:
You know what's better than a dead towny and you being a conftown?In post 216, Alisaes French Maid wrote:Either way we are left with 1 conf town.
It isn't a big deal to me tbh + being an IC would be nice.
A dead scum.
Your "shoot me!" bluff is scummy WIFOM.
Not so much this.In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:Being pro-mass claim would be town.- garaputo
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I'd bet yes.In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote:
Okay. Let's break this down because I honestly don't know what you hang-up is.In post 221, garaputo wrote:
Not so much this.In post 218, Kublai Khan wrote:Being pro-mass claim would be town.
Let's review basic facts:
In an 8 player game, there's probably two scum. Could be three, but that's very unlikely.
Scum can daytalk and tell each other their role.
My role was mod-confirmed at the start of the game. Anyone with an ounce of desire to win the game, likely went to the mafia wiki and learned what a Desperado was if they didn't know already.
UC Voyager demonstrated his role unprompted.
So, if I assume UC Voyager is town (and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then they know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly.
By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up. Right now, then have a marginal one at best.
Since I have to ask you a direct question for you to comment instead of ignoring my posts as noise: @garaputo - Is any of the above incorrect?
I signed up to play a game of mafia. I'm here to do that.In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote: Continuing...
Since I have the penalty that I die if I don't dayvig, that means our lynch is eliminated for today. In fact..
Unvote
Which means everyone can argue and make their cases and convince me to shoot a certain person. Or we can do a massclaim so that we can work out a plan together.
The only reasons I can think of not to massclaim today under these conditions is either because your role is mafia or because you're entertaining dreams of being a hero who survives an breaks important game info at the last minute to nail scum.
So, @garaputo - Are you a team player, a hero, scum, or.... something else?- garaputo
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I've taken the liberty to highlight where I'd get my odds on you being wrong.In post 223, Kublai Khan wrote: So, ifI assume UC Voyager is town(and I'm currently leaning that way because his claim was unprompted), then scum already know half of the roles in the game (4 out of 8). They know their power and they can assume relative town power and if they have any experience balancing games then they know how much relative power is left on the town side and can claim accordingly.
By the time we get to a LYLO situation, scum should have an excellent fakeclaim cooked up.Right now, then have a marginal one at best.- garaputo
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AFM seems against the claim too.In post 141, Alisaes French Maid wrote:I disagree with this being good play tbh.
If we get 1 scum flip and see a role pm I will reevaluate my opinion.
I'm reading through the double negatives here as:In post 220, Alisaes French Maid wrote:There is no world where we claim real roles and having a mass claim not be a bad idea.
Correct me if I'm wrong.Mass claiming real roles is a bad idea
How many scum do you think there are in an 8 player game?In post 229, BuJaber wrote:It's a nightless game that at least 2 people want to play as if it was just a normal game. What's the harm? We wouldn't be arguing about massclaim if it was a normal game so let them be Khan. You tried, you got majority on your side, but not everyone.
That doesn't mean that garaputo and wisdom can't be scum, but we can't scumread them and AFM based on this alone, so further discussion doesn't help. I suspect that one out of the 3 is scum. The challenge is finding out their scum partner.
We can either:
1. Continue like it's a normal game. We have one innocent child which is a decent start. And even without the massclaim this whole debate polarized the players which is perfect because odds are one scum is among the nay voters and 1 or 2 among the yes voters.
This is the second time I've seen the answer 3 floated out there, which seems high from my experience.
AFM seemed pretty anti claim.In post 229, BuJaber wrote: 2. have everyone who agreed claim already. This gives wisdom and garaputo the most power in the game if scum, and almost as much power as scum if they're town.
Sort of. Everyone needs to be accountable, it's not like the rest of the game can go on a vacation and expect those against the claim to just solve the game. Basically apply this standard, but to everyone.In post 229, BuJaber wrote:That puts them at the center of this game. If town they need to assume leadership responsibility and help us win the game. If they don't actively do this insta-lynch. If scum, I suspect that we will be able to find this out. This much power leaks from the pores and we'll sniff it out.
It seems in your post you selectively mention AFM as part of the group unwilling to claim and then don't... why is that?In post 229, BuJaber wrote: This is my first nightless game but if it is even slightly similar to one-night ultimate werewolf then what I said above is a valid and winning strategy from countless games of werewolf I've played.
If you don't shoot anybody today do you also die? If so then no lynch is the way to go, and we 'vote' for who you shoot.
Rat is my choice. 2nd choice AFM. AFM over wisdom because I DON'T LET MY CLASH OF STYLE AFFECT MY JUDGEMENT OR MY DESIRE TO WIN THE GAME. No point proving you're townie if you help town lose.- garaputo
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So he should shoot you, to survive.In post 240, northsidegal wrote:i don't want khan potentially out of the game. he's making a really good effort to actually try to play here and sort people.- garaputo
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Abject lack of participation.In post 242, northsidegal wrote:why am i scum?- garaputo
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I thought 179 was pretty terrible, notwithstanding the vote on me. If you can't see the hypocrisy I was pointing out in 176, I don't know what to say. As I mentioned in 180, 151 was a question.
All of your posts smack of doing the minimal effort to considered playing. I'd prefer a random vote generator to fill your slot atm. - garaputo
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