Open 709: Masons and Monks (Game Over)

[mozamis]

Uhh... I commented on it too, Mister Beef. Three others (one being Assemble himself) agreed.

But hey, whether he's the fun police, or I fucked up his joke instead, is up for the audience to decide! A prompt will appear, so be sure to check under your seats and vote

Yay

or

Nay

on your company given tablets!

Yay

for him being the fun police or

Nay

being he made a joke and I fucked it up.

this all looks very nervous and self conscious.
serious vote.
VOTE: jaydragon

[mozamis]

I've been told I'm naturally scummy, Almost. This is probably par for the course in all my games in the future.

Elsa Jay is to loud to ignore day one. Or any day for that matter.

if people think this is normal for town jay,i'll unvote.

[mozamis]

You're "strange" not scummy!

UNVOTE:

yeah it's probably a playstyle thing.

[mozamis]

You can't possibly do all that simultaneously when you're only a Capricorn! Only a GEMINI can do that kind of multitasking with any efficiency!

almost looks same as was when he was town.
so early provisional town read.

[mozamis]

ok no onelooks particularly scummy so far, so lurker vote
VOTE: dunnstral

[mozamis]

There's never to much Role-play, Archie.

Into the Volcano with you!

total 180 from me, but he is probably town.
Moz, Almost, jay town.

[mozamis]

almost looks same as was when he was town.
so early provisional town read.

FOR ARCHWING - ITS META

[mozamis]

momo is so out in the open i would say town.

[mozamis]

shit wrong thread

@ MOD - could you delete the above post? sorry.

Mod edit:

Deleted.

[mozamis]

momo - just responding to your main points as i remember them:
1) I feel i have been as active in this game as my other ones? there hasn't been that much activity so far.
2) i always give out townreads early on, thats how i play i like to P.O.E as early as possible.
3) Almost is a meta read based on 2 (maybe more?) games in which he was town.
4) you and jay just look really town. you are being paranoid/suspicious, which is fair enough, but surely you must see how town jay looks?
5) i have never played with dave and have no meta on him. And in fact, out of the most active posters he is my only slight scum read. he seems to like discussing slightly theoretcial topics, which can be a scumtell. it's a very light read though.
my guess is most of the scummers have barely posted yet, that is quite normal.
It is early game, so we dont have to panic.

I'll put my money where my mouth is and
VOTE: dave

[mozamis]

Or it could mean nothing. We'll see where this goes. I'm more bothered by the meta defense under no pressure thing.

in fairness to momo, someonr did ask him/query how he would play as scum, so it was fair enough for him to mention it.i think you are way off here beef, be amazed if momo was scum.

[mozamis]

@ MOD - is it time to dish outsome prods?

[mozamis]

buyt yeah i thinkwe all probably stressign over nothing atm - almost half the players arent psoting, and you can bet most of the non town players are amongst them.

[mozamis]

guess i would go for almost or dunn, both strong town players. whether they are any good as scum i dont know, but you would think they must be half way competent.

[mozamis]

Actually, i think this is my first really serious vote of the game
VOTE: archwing

looking at his ISO, he has posted enough to post content, and yet there is no real content.
the closest he gets to scum hunting is asking me a question which i have already given an answer to. (i had already said almost=meta read, and he asked me why i thought almost was scum) scum do sometimes miss things as they are skimming over stuff.
i think its time we got a proper wagon going.

[mozamis]

math is prob town. not sure iagree with the beef wagon, or his analysis of archwing,but hee looks town.
someone unvote beef for gods sake.

[mozamis]

kotokos first proper post i reallyliked, seemms town.
i know wgere he is coming from with dave - the guy is almost TOOreasonable, and i can see myself votying assembles.

[mozamis]

The way to win is to get 4 correct lynches in a row. Short days do not help achieve that.

VOTE: Mathdino
OMGUS, but I don't care.

this is on eo f the fairest OMGUS votes ever. The wagon on Beef is nonsense.

[mozamis]

a

yep, math has done us all a favour, he looks and town and so does beef.
P.O.E Town: Moz, Koto, beef, Math, Almosty, Jay,Momo.
So 4 scum in: Dunnstral, archwing, assembles,Daves, raya, talon.
4 in 6 people! woohoo!

[mozamis]

... I don't know whether to be impressed by your boldness or to wonder how the heck you got to your conclusion, but I'm just going to ask you two questions, Moz.

What was with that quote that served no purpose? And are you on a mobile device typing this up?

my touchpad/mouse on laptop is dodgy, so i have trouble highlighting things/quoting things

[mozamis]

Pretty sure this is one of the worst posts in this thread. Momo is 100% not today's lynch. A50 explained the alleged misrep on me. What you've described is literally how Jay

yeah agree.
i wonder if Math is lucky/bussing - as in his case is for shit, but he is right?

[mozamis]

VOTE: beefster

his vote on momo was ridiculous

[mozamis]

I'm fighting a losing battle here and I won't give you the pleasure of a longer day.

VOTE: Beefster

AWOOOOOO!!!
Go Werewolves!

wow i would be pissed off if i was yoru partner, never give up man.
still, great catch by Mathdino
and by me -knew that Momo vote was nonsense

[mozamis]

Possible that his partner pissed him off with a hard bus. Contrary to popular belief that is not impossible in a 2 person scumteam especially if the partner is widely townread.

i might be entering your poscket, but i do wonder abotu Dino - they way he can ein and just said "YEP< BEEF NOT TOWN" with no real reason, and was right about it, does have the whiff of a bus. So maybe not credit to him lol?

[mozamis]

Psycolgocal prfile on Math suggests he has the ego to think he can pull of such an aggressive scum ploy.

[mozamis]

*psychological

[mozamis]

oh yeah and beefster was definitely not bussed lol

explain.

[mozamis]

Psycolgocal prfile on Math suggests he has the ego to think he can pull of such an aggressive scum ploy.

oh man the last time i saw you, you mislynched me in my 2nd game due to a "scumslip"
back when i had no ego and no confidence to defend myself from shit

you're fuckin right tho about 2017-mathdino

what game was that? i know your name but i played quite a few games last year, plus there is Mathblade.
anyway, I'm not saying you were definitely bussing, I'm just saying it IS a distinct possibility, and you dont get a free town pass. I have seen "aggro town" do what you have done - come in all guns blazing etc - but they normally have a case. You had NO case on Beef. Maybe you were lucky.
I'm just saying you ARE suspect.
Dave is also suspect as Mafia for suggesting the bus, but in an underhand manner.

[mozamis]

There were numerous times (most notably when Jay left the wagon and then momo did) that either me or Dino could've easily switched off Beef. If I was a spectator I'd definitely rule Almos50 & Mathdino form being Werewolves (either or both could still be Mafia though).

no. obv one of you could be a wolf bussing.

ah jimmy neutron! that could have been a great game, shame about the mod!
i still dont think you had much of a case. we'll see tomorrow i guess.

[mozamis]

it was a d1 speedlynch

why the fuck would his partner join in on that

it was a very-easy-to-discredit wagon tbh

to get massive towncred, obviously. I've seen it done. Plus it may not have been a case of "joining in", It may have been a case of INITIATING, even better for towncred.
Anyway, just for the record, in cas eyou are town: big props!
But,

[mozamis]

fos almost

i've seen his town game,and he is a good player, and yet he too jumped ont he beef wagon with no reason, which i think is out of character for him.

almost and dave =mafia
matdino anhd beef ==wolves?

[mozamis]

Okay. Like I said though, I think we're significantly better off not giving reads or pointing to anyone in particular (and especially not defending anyone in particular) because more info for scumteams is anti-town.

If I die though, do some damn good VCA in my honour, town.

Edit: LOOOOOOL

no. more info the better for town. we have so little to go off.
sure, there is some risk thst masons or monks get outed, but the benefit is P.O.E, probably the mostz pwerful tool in the game.
plus there is no real reason why monk o rmasons should be outed. If everyone plays out in th eopen and very town, scum wont have aclue who is PR or not.

[mozamis]

town mathdino

thats "jimmy neutron mafia" - which also features my scum claim as THE NURSE - it didnt go down well lol.
math looks very different there. much more serious and less "LOLZ" than he is here. math worries me.

[mozamis]

Mozamis, seriously, you need to stop this.

Trust me, I've played mason games before. There is 100% reason to not out people.

Every previous Masons and Monks game was ruined by too much day.

not in the masons games i've played. anyway,whats the alternative - we cant speedlynch every day, its too risky.

[mozamis]

god i dont know.
you seem town in twilight lol

[mozamis]

will catch up later today

[mozamis]

a

yep, math has done us all a favour, he looks and town and so does beef.
P.O.E Town: Moz, Koto, beef, Math, Almosty, Jay,Momo.
So 4 scum in: Dunnstral, archwing, assembles,Daves, raya, talon.
4 in 6 people! woohoo!

i still think this si on the right lines?
probably got a bit lost/over excited post Beef flip. Math prob town with a good read on Beef.
P.O.E town: Moz, Koto, Math, Jay, Momo.
3 scum in Dunn, Archwing, Assembles, Dave and Raya??
Havent caught up yet.

[mozamis]

Dunnstral didn't vote AT ALL day 1, not even an RVS. He has to be under suspicion.

[mozamis]

Archwing:

God! Beef is so scummy I can't even. Let me vote Assemble.

Obviously, this looks scummy AS HELL on level surface, but I don't think a Scum buddy would do this at this point. If Beef is lynched and flips Scum; Arch would be the default lynch for many.

I'd suspect Kotoko more though if Beef flips Scum. Her vote on Assemble is more subtle than Arch's and both serve to derail the Beef wagon smh. (Not totally excluding Arch, but just saying it's unlikely).

The other scum pair appear to be Jay+Raya (not too confident there, but it looks promising). I thought Jay may have been Scum with Beef, but if so then a distancing attempt went out of proportion and Jay got stuck on the wagon.

So, I'm going into the night with Jay/Ray as one scum team and Beef/Kotoko as the other team (which is obviously bollocks if Beef is lynched and flips Town)

gotta think Almost was on the right lines hence he was killed. Scum somtimes try and WIFOM it, but it IS normally why people die.

[mozamis]

A50 kill seems obv to me... I'm a little surprised Dino is still around tbh. The talon kill though... no clue what that was about.

damn it, the Dino paranoi ais back on! You make a goo dpoint, surprising they didnt kill Dino.
I'm probably gonna keep Dino on the back burner for now, but obviously keep an eye on him.

[mozamis]

I clearly have no footing in this game which is why I haven't done anything yet today

I think we're more likely to find scum on the wagon from yesterday because it doesn't make sense for Beefster to hammer when the option to give his scumbud the towncred was available

this makes sense, (i didnt understand Math's point abotu scum being off the wagon - i mean there are 3 scum, so there probably are, but yeah, you'd think Beef had alrrady been bussed?)
@ Math - i found Kot quite town yesterday, the guy at least seemed to be scum hunting.

[mozamis]

Vote Count (1.7)

[L-1]

Beefster [6]

Mathdino, Almost50, talon152, Raya36, momo, mozamis

davesaz [0]

[mozamis]

Momo has to be town. so that leaves..only Math, raya and dave.
so thats useful lol

[mozamis]

Thoughts on talon theory?

could just have been a "safe" kill.

[mozamis]

beefster might not have felt that his partner even WOULD hammer

the only way that could be coordinated is through daytalk which iirc scum don't have

this actually indicates to me that his partner was a lurker

pure speculation.

[mozamis]

while he did a few points against Dino and Dave, Moz clearly seems to be only going with the flow? H

no, i was the only person suspecting Math and Almost in twilight.
Think you're just being paranoid because i strong town read you.

[mozamis]

The entire game basically he was opposed to the beef wagon until there was basically no hope for beef.

i thought Beef was town until he voted Momo for no reason. In fact, it might have been my vote that ended it for Beef.

[mozamis]

VOTE: davesz

seems to be sheeping Math.
Plus he did very little yesterday, although he was active enough, and yet didnt do a lot.

[mozamis]

i'm defintley against a Kot wagon.

[mozamis]

@ math - have u played with almost50 before?

[mozamis]

Posting 11 times in a row without anybody talking is probably an indication that you should not be doing that. I'm glad you getting into it, but taking up nearly half a page in a row without pause isn't good.

--- Post Edit ---

Make that 13 now.

its always how i post. prefer one liners than wall posts.

[mozamis]

Dunnstral didn't vote AT ALL day 1, not even an RVS. He has to be under suspicion.

Why is not voting suspicious?

its not scum hunting, and its vague.

[mozamis]

I'm talking to mozamis

hoefully you are going to vote soon or give out some reads? i have seen your town game remember.

[mozamis]

Currently in my room eating a pre-made put-in-oven pizza from my local diner while strategerizing for this game.

i liked the literal response

[mozamis]

Oh, right. Fuck.

You gotta vote me to get me to have some creative juices. My best reads come from being under pressure.

VOTE: Jay
Consider yourself under pressure.

wtf is this? guy is so town.

fos assembles

[mozamis]

I don't believe in introductions. I'd rather let my actions talk for/about me.

VOTE: Mathdino

For not being in the game!


Is this enough indication?

We've completed I think 2 games together.

Switch: He was SK (won), I was cop with a N0 guilty (died N1 after playing really weirdly)

JK9++: He was Tracker (died N1 for some reason), I was a VT who lynched 2 scum and won

Edit: dude can you maybe multipost a little less so people can

you could have just said "yes"
anyway, that another possible reason almost died. you know he is a good player. whatevr. you remain on the backburner for today, you look like you are scum hunting and seem to be under the delusion that you are the town leader
people cna chat while i multi post, who cares.

[mozamis]

sorry if its annoying.
guess i just find it easier, its not meant to be spam.

[mozamis]

the only TM2018 players in this game are Dunnstral (checked out), davesaz (generally half lurks), and momo who's probably town anyway

the rest of this playerlist has no excuse

i'm comfortable blaming this on them

i'm in Team Mafia though i'm worried that i have received no role pm's yet
Lets not lynhc Koto
I'm happier with Dunn than Daves,at least Daves has done soemthing.
VOTE: Dunnstral

[mozamis]

math - come on, you said you suspected Dunn - he is way more dodgy than Kot.

[mozamis]

he's literally just not here and he's also in Team Mafia
generally pretty site inactive

if you want, go do a quick meta and see if activity is alignment indicative, because that would actually help a lot

i've played with dun town and he was active. i hear ya, i'm not saying its the stongest case in the world, but its better than Koto.

[mozamis]

Beefster's partner MUST have been off the wagon. He wouldn't self-hammer otherwise. Self-hammering as a strategy serves to reduce the VCA town can make. If someone else hammered, it would've cleared them as town.

VOTE: Dunnstral

what happened to this anyway?

[mozamis]

I think we should definitely be looking at the wagon. I forget who said it but someone mentioned that it would be odd for Beef to have self-hammered if their partner had the option to hammer for towncred so it's probably most likely their partner is on the wagon.

i think i said that. thing is, beef may have just self hammered to shut down discussion as he said. or maybe he was pissed off with his partner. or basically was just sulking rage quitting.
who knows?
the reason i say all this is because i'm struggling to see scum on beefs wagon.

[mozamis]

Vote Count (1.8)

Assemblerotws [4]

davesaz, Kotoko Utsugi, Archwing, JaydragonKing

the obvious is that the other wolf would be on the counterwagon (sorry if someone has alreaqdy said this, but if so, it's worth repeating)
i'd be guessing archwing.
math, you up for archwing?

[mozamis]

fuck it, you were right about Beef.
VOTE: kotoko

[mozamis]

the start of day 2 with Dino and Koto... that was TvT. I really did not like d1 Dave, and d2 Dave is just as bad. Dunn is pretty well non-existent, as is Assemble... I wanna push one of these two before we start running people up.
VOTE: Dunn

still, wouldnt be surprised if this is Not Town giving us a list of the non acitve lynch bait.

[mozamis]

yeah you could be right

[mozamis]

I don't really understand how it's Archie who's making you question the Dunn vote. Not that I agree with it either at the moment, but can you explain that a little more, you two?

i'm suspicious of archwing and he seems keen on voting Dunn - or any lurker lol

[mozamis]

Yo I would honestly prefer people not do this

I did this d1 because I was pretty damn sure I was right

It's hard to recreate magic and I'm concerned people are waiting for me to do something

it's difficult to recreate if you were bussing...

[mozamis]

just wanna get this down while i think of it.
but i reckon WolfDino! would taking a hella of a risk by bussing. It puts him right out in the open which in multiball is obviously risky.
As Powertown!, Scum might shoot him but obviously Dino wouldn't care. As powerwolf...he doesn't want to get shot.
Captain Obvious Out.

[mozamis]

the start of day 2 with Dino and Koto... that was TvT. I really did not like d1 Dave, and d2 Dave is just as bad. Dunn is pretty well non-existent, as is Assemble... I wanna push one of these two before we start running people up.
VOTE: Dunn

So this isn't a real push then, and you plan to move your vote later? Good to know

you ever gonna give out reads?

[mozamis]

You can't possibly do all that simultaneously when you're only a Capricorn! Only a GEMINI can do that kind of multitasking with any efficiency!

almost looks same as was when he was town.
so early provisional town read.

this is just fluff
moz why dont you think it's nai

in fact it was one of myu awesome early reads
ok, in fact everyone prob worked out almost was town...

[mozamis]

Ladies and gentlemen, sheep scumreads someone that scum shot.

Let's play a game of "Dumb or Scum"!

My money's on dumb. He probably would've checked his scum PT first and seen this. Unless of course it was the other scumteam that shot A50. Still weird thing to overlook.

lol it looks a pretty good town tell.
i was hard tr'ing momo anyway, but yeah sheep looks town

[mozamis]

genuine

[mozamis]

@: Math - u say we'r egoing nowhere but we have Kot at L-2.
P.o.e is a coin flip which i guess isnt great day 2 but not awful either.
Moz, math, Sheep, Jay - town
3 scum out of Dunn, assebles,koto, raya,archwing and daves
and i'm leaning town raya so maybe 3scum out of 5?

[mozamis]

they might bhave been paranoid, who were you suspecting end of day 1?

[mozamis]

3 scum out of Dunn, assebles,koto, raya,archwing and daves
and i'm leaning town raya so maybe 3scum out of 5?

so lynch pool for me is: ( in order of most sucmmy to least)
Koto, Dunn, archwing, Daves and assembles

[mozamis]

pagetop

game related: i still want an explanation as to why jay is town

hes very conversational out in the open, seesm to want to get the game moving, original though (scum reading me when most town reading me etc)
i've seen scum play a bit like him - Mulch, Vifam - but its quite rare and hard to do.

[mozamis]

sheep could you vote Koto

[mozamis]

the fact that this wagon has stalled is hopeful

[mozamis]

doesnt look like Kot is comin gback.
I guess w ehave to wait for his replacment. It's balls really cos we're gonna lync him anyway, right?
Just need to be patient and keep the toenbloc togehter and descend into infighting which is what the scum lurkers are hoping for.

[mozamis]

lol *NOT descend into infighting

[mozamis]

an alternative i quite like is to wagon/lynch Davesz or Archwing.
1) they probably are scum
2) they are active enough to defend themselves etc.
If we wagon Dunn, assembles etc we will just run into the same lurker problem.

[mozamis]

davesaz is in team mafia, i can personally confirm he is not active enough to defend himself

i do not support an archwing lynch at this time

then daves needs to replace out

[mozamis]

Technically I have no need to defend myself. It is better for town if I’m not lynched, but not the end of the world.

good to know, daves can be our back up lynch then.

[mozamis]

Logically I’m obvtown.

no you've done very little

[mozamis]

what is it with scum giving up? poor.
nice work dino

[mozamis]

you've got yo use every trick as scum - kotoko should have replaced out, forcing town to wait, increasing the chances of town falling apart.

[mozamis]

guys come on figure out who scum is

and if you want an extra challenge figure out who the mafia is if kotoko is actually a wolf

easy tiger. you have had ONE good game. Your not the best player here, so dial it back a bit.

[mozamis]

um
i would've just waited it out and then quicklynched the replacement tbh

well, obviously that was the plan.
but as scum, you have to use very trick in the book.
you'll learn i guess.

[mozamis]

learn what?

and yeah no i'm not like this when i'm wrong

i am often wrong, i have just earned bragging rights in this game alone

but like i actually do want you guys to figure out who the scum is before nightfall because it's actually informing my end-of-day reads

oh, indeed yo have had a corker of a game, assuming you are town, which seems likely if not definite.
you just haven't "done a Moz" and nailed the entire scum team first page, Day 1. In fairness to you, not many people have
Still, yeah, you've done...alright i guess, and i'm definitely not jealous lol
Just go easy, hubris is always followed by Nemesis...

@Dave - yes, but it would help if you contributed more.

[mozamis]

u guyts need to look at math closely if kot flips wolf and i die tonight.

[mozamis]

if Kot is a wolf, then ScumMonk Math makes some sense. he knows 3 people arent wolves and he's P.O.E'd it from there?
It seem s abit unlikely, but does expalin his shit hot reads.
if Kot is Mafia then fuck knows, probably just give Dino credit for being on a heater?

[mozamis]

dino does have good reads when he's town

yeah, we all have good reads fom time to time, but worries me a bit is his confidence. i'm probably beng paranoid and hes just a cocky teenager

[mozamis]

if Kot is a wolf, then ScumMonk Math makes some sense. he knows 3 people arent wolves and he's P.O.E'd it from there?
It seem s abit unlikely, but does expalin his shit hot reads.
if Kot is Mafia then fuck knows, probably just give Dino credit for being on a heater?

you really gotta stop speculating on masons/monks; if i am a monk, it'll be up to my neighbour to figure this out

let's assume that kot is mafia then

now what

well, i need to specualte to work you out, its my job.
so you think Kot will flip Scum?

[mozamis]

well played Jay!

[mozamis]

unlucky Math, you played a blinder!
Jay played great, but i wonder if town were a bit weak. I wasnt really on form, Almost was the only other good player who was wisely dispensed with by scum. So MAth was kinda left on his own, and asking one player to get 4 correct reads is steep.
But anyway, well played Almost, Jay and Math!
Thanks Mod, entertaining game.

[mozamis]

Uhh... I commented on it too, Mister Beef. Three others (one being Assemble himself) agreed.

But hey, whether he's the fun police, or I fucked up his joke instead, is up for the audience to decide! A prompt will appear, so be sure to check under your seats and vote

Yay

or

Nay

on your company given tablets!

Yay

for him being the fun police or

Nay

being he made a joke and I fucked it up.

this all looks very nervous and self conscious.
serious vote.
VOTE: jaydragon

my first post of the game. just saying see ya around, losers!