Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[texcat]

VOTE: texcat

you jerk

???

VOTE: pisskop

[texcat]

VOTE: mutant

No, I am not going to tell you which role I selected. I agree with Aster that asking was scummy, but the backtracking was really scummy.

[texcat]

Cop or doctor isn't so much as what I was expecting. I was more interested to see if they were one of the roles that can actually do something about being targetted by scum. If they did role claim something like cop though (which I don't think any town player in their right mind would do) then I would consider them town.

It looks like your interests are exactly the same as scums' interests.

I doubt that scum were really in the draft.

I doubt that you have read the rules? This makes me think you must be scum trying to be derp-cleared.

[texcat]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Power_X/Y

[texcat]

guys look how town i am

You might need to hold up that sarcasm sign and tell us who you mean here.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Power_X/Y

We have a winner!

Wilky & NSG : didn't you read the setup info? If so, why not point me to that like texcat just did?

I didn't have to read the setup info as I knew how it worked. Why didn't you go find it yourself?

I just feel that linking to the setup, or at least pointing me to it, would have been a more natural reaction to my question.

As I said, I didn't have it too hand as I didn't need to read it. Now can we leave it at that and get on with the game instead of having some off-topic smokescreen about who should be finding stuff for you?

We can, but you seem a little defensive here.

[texcat]

@Mod: Did mafia have pre-game chat before draft was sent in?

Throughout the bidding phases, the thread is locked, however, mafia may collude privately during this time and then again throughout the day.

Now, can anyone guess why I wanted this information?

Again I suspect that you asked for it to look townie. This info was available in the setup.

[texcat]

I don't like the way in which he posts (several posts in a row that just consist of a sentence each) but I still think he is town based on his willingness to blindly defend me so early into my wagon.

As town, I think you should always suspicious of people who blindly defend you. Perhaps they are not so blind, after all. Perhaps they know you are town, because they are scum.

1. I don't think scum gets to talk before draft

Do you think this is a genuine townslip?

Just like I'm suspicious of white knights, I am immediately suspicious of townslips. I almost never think they are genuine.

[texcat]

I'm still up for lynching Mutant. Can we just get on with it now?

I'm also suspicious of Creature for his blatant buddying, and Chip and Viomi for their attempted townslips.

I would not vote for Pisskop while there was a possibility that we could lynch one of the above.

[texcat]

For those of you who thought it was too early in the Day to lynch Mutant, can you tell us what you've learned by waiting?

[texcat]

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

Assembler, do you have any thoughts to share? All you've said is that you thought Mutant was newbtown, but you were ok with his lynch?

[texcat]

I can get on board with this.

VOTE: Cuomo

[texcat]

Oops. Sorry about the autocorrect.

VOTE: Viomi

[texcat]

Also lol, you're all saying if mutant is scum I'm scum trying to save him and if mutant is town I'm scum whiteknighting him.

It looks like you're scum regardless.

VOTE: creature

Fixed the Tag - Elmo

[texcat]

Arg, preview is your friend.

[texcat]

Viomi, Can you give us a link to your previous pick your power game?

[texcat]

VOTE: Viomi

There's something wrong with the disparity between not knowing that scum could talk before the draft yesterday, and today creating a detailed, point by point list based mostly on the setup about why Misa was NK'd.

[texcat]

The question is: Chip or City. Which one of those two is scum?

My guess would be Chip.

But I think the Viomi lynch is better. I think there is a scum among the people who picked 1, and I think that's much more likely than among the people who picked 5. The question should be: Viomi or Aster. And the answer is Viomi.

[texcat]

Hey Viomi and Chip Butty, who should we wagon?

Why are buddying up with the people I'm suspicious of again? Got a reads list, Creature?

[texcat]

It concerns me how quickly lynches come together in this town. All it seems to take is a small push and then the sheep come flooding in. May I ask to everyone voting Viomi, where were you yesterday when concerns with Viomi were originally raised? You had the perfect opportunity to express your distrust of her then yet it is now that everyone is flocking on to her.

Where was

I

yesterday? Voting for Viomi. And his ad hominem argument calling us morons for lynching him is not really convincing me that he's town.

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

Yeah, Creature's on my scum list too, but let's resolve the 1 picks.

Some of the reads below are POE. For example, I have a town read on Aster because I don't think Aster and Viomi can both be scum.

Texcat - 2

Northsidegal - 3

Assemblerotws - 4

CommKnight - 6
Mutantdevle - 8

MisaTange - 30

CityElectric - 5

Chip Butty - 5

Wilky - 7

Creature - 7

Lalendra - 7

Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1

Viomi - 1

[texcat]

@mod the votecount is wrong, i'm not voting viomi

catching up now.

@mod,

but I am voting viomi (604)

So I think that is still L-1.

[texcat]

No sure if I can do anything more today, but Viomi's wagon is over.

No, Viomi is at L-1. That is hardly over. Quit trying to protect your buddy.

[texcat]

@Mutant, I thought that Aster made a pretty good case on Viomi yesterday. (post 467), saying that she wasn't thinking about the game, not really scum hunting and just conveniently reacting to the thread. We've seen that continue today, with all of the ad hominem arguments calling us all morons and quite a bit of omgus.

[texcat]

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Meta. I played my last game with Assembler.

[texcat]

If you mean solely related to his activity, then no.

[texcat]

Yes. Although I am a little concerned that scum haven't tried to build a counterwagon.

[texcat]

I'm hoping City Electric will hammer when they come back from VLA. Sigh.

[texcat]

I still like my vote on Viomi. My concern about there not being a counterwagon has been allayed. Cheeky, you were all for a Viomi lynch originally. Where are you on it now?

[texcat]

I'll hammer Viomi and Comm if push went to shove today. I think Viomi's reactions to me looking elsewhere are very interesting but are just pre-flip associations at this point. It will be easier to nail her tomorrow after flips and if I'm alive. Also interesting is how quiet everyone was about the Viomi wagon but now that I'm pushing above there's a lot more interest in the thread. My direction feels promising.

This post feels like the lead up to you voting me lol. I've had this scenario many times.

Are you asking me to get back on Viomi?

Sure, I'd love for you to vote Viomi. I think she's scum.

Not sure about everyone, but one reason I was quiet about the Viomi lynch was that I was tired of her calling everyone stupid morons and yelling about reading her posts.

I might consider voting you if you insist on lynching Assemble when we have much scummier options.

[texcat]

NorthSide's vote has been parked on Creature. Northside, can you give us a reads list? I'm not sure where you stand on the wagons of the day.

[texcat]

Creature is still on my scum list. I don't object to mutant\comm\chip, but I would still prefer to lynch Viomi.

[texcat]

I was hoping to get a response to this

The only conflicts are made up by you attempting to misread you, and then you refuse to continue your ISO because you're not town trying to find scum, you're just scum trying to find enough reasons to make your vote seem justified.

But sadly Lalendra seems dedicated to the cause of refusing to give any information whatsoever.

This is why my vote is on Viomi. Lalendra not only explained her vote when she made it (592), but later, in response to Mutant, detailed the posts from Viomi that she disliked (734). She gave us plenty of information about her vote.

[texcat]

I think Viomi's issue is with Lalendra not responding to her rebuttal and requests for comment on said rebuttal, though?

I guess. Although she didn't ignore his rebuttal; she did respond, of sorts, in 957. And the below seems like a gross mischaracterization. She gave a lot of information, and then said that she had nothing further to comment on.

But sadly Lalendra seems dedicated to the cause of refusing to give any information whatsoever.

[texcat]

We have almost 2 days left. I'm really getting a bad feeling about this. It seems like compromise lynches are almost always town.

[texcat]

Let's talk about Chip. If we can't lynch Viomi, then it's between Chip and CommK for me. I'm not really interested in Lalendra.

[texcat]

I was hoping to get a response to this

The only conflicts are made up by you attempting to misread you, and then you refuse to continue your ISO because you're not town trying to find scum, you're just scum trying to find enough reasons to make your vote seem justified.

But sadly Lalendra seems dedicated to the cause of refusing to give any information whatsoever.

This is why my vote is on Viomi. Lalendra not only explained her vote when she made it (592), but later, in response to Mutant, detailed the posts from Viomi that she disliked (734). She gave us plenty of information about her vote.

RMFP

[texcat]

Creature, what is your opinion of CommK?

[texcat]

Yeah, I was hoping Creature would explain why he quit scum reading CommKnight. The only explanation I remember was something like CK just started looking town.

It doesn't look like the Viomi wagon is going to go through. I was not scum reading Lalendra. And Cheeky was pretty null.

VOTE: Chip Butty

[texcat]

Hmmm...you would think that with too many of us playing sheep we'd be able to lynch someone. As it is, we have less than 2 days left (again) and no one seems to agree on a lynch.

[texcat]

So I make that as 5 for CK and 4 for Chip.

Creature, Viomi, and Lil Uzi not voting for either one.

[texcat]

@mod

CityElectric is not voting for Creature, only for CommKnight.1619.
Creature is voting for LilUzi 1519.

[texcat]

VOTE: Northsidegal

[texcat]

Aster + northsidegal + one of {Lil Uzi Vert, CityElectric}

Leaning LUV

We need to lynch Northside today. You left out

Cheeky

/Momo. I'd add them to the suspect list.

[texcat]

Texcat - 2

Northsidegal - 3

Kidamn

Assemblerotws

- 4

Sheep

CommKnight

- 6

Mutantdevle - 8 Doctor

MisaTange - 30 Vanilla

CityElectric - 5

Chip Butty - 5 Jailkeeper

Momo

Cheeky/Wilky

- 7

Creature - 7

Lil Uzi

Lalendra

- 7

Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 Vanilla

Viomi - 1 Neighborizer (Confirmed by Aster. Claims to have been jailed N2.)

Unclaimed roles:
N3 Vig / Vengeful
1 shot Vig / 1 shot PGO
Cop / 1 shot Redirector
1 shot Commuter / 1 shot Watcher
Backup / Rolecop

If Viomi is town and telling the truth about being jailed, we have a Backup and not a Rolecop. Therefore Northside did not choose Rolecop. I think she must have picked N3 vig.
Viomi is an odd choice for the jailkeeper. I can't believe the jailkeeper was trying to protect him. So I must think that the jailkeeper thought he was scum and was just trying to prevent the NK.
Aster also seems like an odd choice to neighborize. Not what I would have done, although Viomi did have an explanation for it.

If Viomi is scum, then he might be lying about being jailed. He might have thought he needed an excuse for not neighborizing someone when he did the NK. But, of course, this lie would be quickly exposed by the jailkeeper and this would only work if scum knew there was no backup role. This would only delay the exposure of the lie until the rolecop died. On the whole, this seems unlikely. None of this prevents Viomi from being scum and telling the truth about being jailed however.

tl;dr Northside is scum N3 vig and needs to be lynched today.

[texcat]

Aster, what are your feelings on Northside?

[texcat]

Though, only one could be vig because either I or KidAmn were jailkept, which means we had a role backup. Which also means can we lynch LUV or tex already because one of them is n3 vig kthx

Wait, I thought you already claimed to have been jailed lady night. Are you changing your story?

[texcat]

Sry. Lady night = last night

[texcat]

I’ll try to get to this tonight.

I don’t see an issue with the way North hammered but I’m still suspicious of her. Consider my vote there.

I don’t want to lynch North if it’s based on not waiting for a claim.

Smells like a policy lynch.

Probably not. North is pretty decent

Can you explain your read on Northside? What happened in the five minutes between consider my vote there and I don't want to lynch her? And what does pretty decent mean?

[texcat]

I still scum read North. I just don’t agree with the overall basis of the wagon so I rather lynch elsewhere.

Northside must have a good role since she was number 2 in the draft. Don't you think it would be better to lynch her before vanilla sum?

[texcat]

Still without keyboard. Vanilla scum.

[texcat]

I still scum read North. I just don’t agree with the overall basis of the wagon so I rather lynch elsewhere.

Northside must have a good role since she was number 2 in the draft. Don't you think it would be better to lynch her before vanilla sum?

I don’t know. I haven’t taken setup into account.

Perhaps you should.

[texcat]

Lol. Are you claiming scum?

[texcat]

And considering that it's scum that keeps asking this question, I suspect that it is a red herring.

[texcat]

Okay guys.... before I vote nsg, I don't want this day to end just yet.

We need to find who MD was pushing against...then we need to decide if the kill was for wifom, then we lynch nsg, and then we go on to win the game

[texcat]

Although Momo did eventually follow through with his vote on you, so he may not be scum.

[texcat]

How am I supposed to respond to your claim that he somehow knew what we were talking about in his PT? I'm pretty sure scum don't have day talk so..

yeah the setup page says they dont have daytalk

Scum not having day talk doesn’t refute anything he’s accusing you two of.

Doesn't anybody bother to check anything? I'm pretty sure at least one of you three is playing dumb here.

From https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Power_X/Y

Other Information
An individual Mafia member cannot nightkill and use a power on the same night.
Tracker/Role Cop/Watcher/Cop results should be worded in a way to stay ambiguous to redirection; "Your target went X" or "Your target is X", for example.

The Mafia team has the ability to daytalk.

[texcat]

UNVOTE: nsgThought I'd unvoted. Untwist your panties.

Why are you unvoting? Northside is scum.

[texcat]

anything else game progressing to say

Aster and Viomi seem pretty stuck in their views. Is there anything I could say that would convert you to voting Northside? Perhaps Fitz will have fresh eyes.

[texcat]

If only we stopped sillying around, northsidegal would already have flipped scum and we would be lynching LUV.

I'd like to wait for Fitz.

[texcat]

N2…I have no idea why mutant was the NK. He really only pushed Chip. I don’t know if a claim was involved. Is there a chance he was killed by someone other than scum?

I think scum have been doctor hunting. MisaTange and Mutant were both killed in hopes of killing the doc.

[texcat]

Thanks for the update. Keep us posted.

[texcat]

Post 1734 is the first texcat post I can remembering thinking “good effort” on. How is Northside the N3 vig?

Why wouldn’t scum NSG select 1 shot Vig (w/o the N3 restriction) or 1 Shot commuter (or watcher?). I’m fairly certain NSG is not a Cop or Redirector as I assume that role would go first regardless of alignment. Which, with you picking first, doesn’t compute why you are still alive and doesn’t preclude the possibility that you are scum and selected 1 shot redirector.

I'm assuming that if NSG picked the 1-shot Vig role, she would have already shot. Why would she wait? It's certainly possible that she did already shoot and ran into the doctor or jailkeeper. I would not pick either commuter or watcher as scum, so I'm just assuming that NSG wouldn't either. As scum, I would have picked 1-shot vig over N3 vig, but I would have shot someone N1, so IDK. If she is N3 vig, we need to kill her now. (And I'm hoping that she picked N3 vig over Vengeful!)

I think I'm still alive because the doctor just died N2. If Viomi is telling the truth about the jailkeeper, scum will still have to guess tonight about who he's going to jail. And as I mentioned before, I think the NKs have been doctor hunting, but the question remains how the scum were sure that we had a doctor. Did they run into the doctor on N1? Did a scum below Mutant pick that role and find it unavailable?

[texcat]

Oh, good grief.

There is no case on NSG. There is only a guilty on NSG.

I am the cop.
N1 I investigated Assembler/KidAmn and found town.
N2 I investigated Northside and found scum.

[texcat]

I already knew texcat was cop.

I thought it was pretty obvious.

[texcat]

what now
viomi is town so i want to wait for viomi to say smth because i dont trust myself to interpret claims

Vote NSG, clearly my read on her and texcat were both wrong.

LUV is still scum, not sure why texcat doesn't see it, and probably momo as the third.

I do think LUV is scum. And if LUV is town, I'd take a closer look at Creature. My guess for the 3rd scum is Aster, but that's only a guess and could easily change. Fitz is a possibility.

[texcat]

VOTE: northsidegal

So much for that.

Good luck tonight tex and other town prs.

Why are you suddenly so sure that I'm a town pr and that NSG is flipping red?

[texcat]

I'm still just hoping that NSG isn't vengeful.

[texcat]

Wow somehow I am still alive and actually got a result: sheep is town.

[texcat]

I thought we were down to 2 scum?

[texcat]

oh im stupid lol

No actually you look pretty smart and well informed all of the sudden.

[texcat]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[texcat]

?

[texcat]

That was @LUV

[texcat]

That's

L-1

, isn't it?

@mod Looks like you missed the vote in post 2185.

Fixed

[texcat]

See my post 1886 and a few following for my case on LUV. LUV claimed to scum read NSG, but would not vote there. Plus I'm sheeping Creature who is a much better scum hunter than i. Especially now that he's town.

[texcat]

Random notes...
No sign of a vig yet. Is someone holding their shot or were scum stopped on the same night that a vig shot? N1? Or maybe we have PGO and Vengeful.
Both LUV and Momo picked 7. They are probably not both scum.
We have an even number(8) alive which means we should have a no lynch available if we stay that way.

Texcat - 2 Cop

Northsidegal - 3 Vanilla

Kidamn

Assemblerotws

- 4

Sheep

CommKnight

- 6

Mutantdevle - 8 Doctor

MisaTange - 30 Vanilla

Fitz/

CityElectric

- 5

Chip Butty - 5 Jailkeeper

Momo

Cheeky/Wilky

- 7

Creature - 7 Vanilla

Lil Uzi

Lalendra

- 7

Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 Vanilla

Viomi - 1 Neighborizer (Confirmed by Aster. Claims to have been jailed N2 and N3.)

Unclaimed roles:
N3 Vig / Vengeful
1 shot Vig / 1 shot PGO
1 shot Commuter / 1 shot Watcher
Backup / Rolecop

[texcat]

And that's a hammer, so not alive for long.

[texcat]

VOTE: Momo

I'm just going to assume I was right about this slot all game and the fact that this waste of space happened to replace into it hasn't clouded my judgement

VOTE: viomi

When the conf-towns give up on you and you can't carry them both


@texcat hey you should conftown me in future games

I don't know what the best strategy is. I always tend to investigate people who I don't think I'll ever get a good read on.