Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh then i read down a bit

[Impede]

Im going back and reevaluating.
If we are 1 and 1 associations is a little harder.
Obviously momo and Dino wouldn’t be a team.
So I’m taking a step back.

So new Poe is una kop hawk.
Somewhat fitz

What the.... did you use RNG to come up with this list? Wth.... explain.

[sheepsaysmeep]

or maybe he had reads
so he made that list using his reads

[AnonymousGhost]

Screen's play style reminds me of Wisdom's. From Literally Mafia.

Pedit:

@Dino

I got "knocked out" after a major headache wouldn't go away and took a nap. My bad.

I can answer those things. In the process of cataloguing the people vs Dino & Impede, but I will get to it.

- I think we have about half the playerlist on approximately the same page {Math, Impede, fitz, momo, Hawk}

Is that page talking about the possibilities now that you've narrowed it down to only one scum and the SK?

- Reevaluation of momo scum read: Thanks for breaking my case down. If that's just momo's play style then I can understand why he's labeled as the most mislynchable player on the site. My scum read is gone and a bit of a town lean is beginning to form. I don't think scum would make themselves that obvious for being this gun-ho about lynching people due to the potential backfire.

- Reevaluation of set up given 1 mafia: I've never tried doing association hunting before and I wasn't trying to look for one before you "broke" the setup. I still want to take a look at the People vs Impede - preferably when I don't have a massive head ache - because I think the pattern of people conceding to your case of town, or was it Impede's meta?, Impede is a starting point. If someone in that group of people was the mafia, then I would think they'd want to fly under the radar. To do that, they'd need to do what everyone else was doing and agree w/ your POV.

- Thoughts on Sheep's behavior: Meh. Glad that the kid finally posted something longer than 3 sentences. I don't know what Sheep's meta is like beyond posting one liners, in fact I know no one's meta (probably a double edged sword), but WIFOM if Sheep was scum, the kid's making himself an obvious target by playing such a heavy defense on Screen.

- Kop lynch: I want to go back and do the thing that I promised. I would also like more discussion from some of the other players that we haven't heard from in a while i.e. Una, Kop, Hawk, and Impede. (I think that's all of them) about the current events and what their opinions are.

[sheepsaysmeep]

im not chainsawing
my case on momo =/= hard defending screen im literally not very confident in town!screen

[AnonymousGhost]

If you say so Sheep.

[Mathdino]

Counterpoint on Screenplay: Wisdom is a known meta-changer and plays all sorts of playstyles. Last time he was scum I nailed him on associatives, not on playstyle.

Page: The page is just people who have 2 or 3 suspects in the list {Kop, Screenplay, sheep}. This makes it easier to get a lynch down the line. I don't think anyone is SK hunting yet except Una.

Impede push: Good call. I think sheep might be your best starting point.

sheep: No associations. It's possible he knows this is a mislynch and is staying off it on purpose.

Kopcase: Good luck, do better than I did. I'll probably sheep it if it's half-decent. His lack of presence is getting ridiculous.

Can I interest you in laying a vote down somewhere?

Edit: Dude, chainsaw defence is literally the alternative to hard-defence. Instead of saying "no your target is town" you're saying "fuck you you're scum". It's textbook chainsaw.

[Srceenplay]

I don't think anyone is SK hunting yet exce

That could be telling, hmm

[Srceenplay]

except Una.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Dino

- Wisdom

Ooh~ That explains a lot.

- Page

Thanks for explaining.

- Vote

Dude hasn't answered my question anyway, so... #pettyreasonsftw

VOTE: Kop

[Srceenplay]

we haven't heard from in a while i.e. Una, Kop, Hawk,

This is kinda how I came to my new Poe.
I’m making the assumption that scum might be letting town eat each other apart.

[AnonymousGhost]

Ooh...

That makes sense!

[Srceenplay]

I also think una could be the last scum.

Someone please go through his iso and see if something feels off.
I did and my gut is telling me that’s where to look.

[Mathdino]

I also think una could be the last scum.

Someone please go through his iso and see if something feels off.
I did and my gut is telling me that’s where to look.

weird, this is actually #goodposting

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sheep
next in line

[Srceenplay]

Don’t call it good and then ignore it.

[Mathdino]

ugh fine i'll do a una-(idk yet)-case

Honestly I'm reading Una harder as SK than as mafia. Was thinking of saving him for now. I assume you want me to pair him with Creature?

[Srceenplay]

Yes.


I’m about to play catan with the family.
I’ll try to get on once more before Night is over.

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: A Trip Through Una/Creature ISO

VOTE: Jaydragon

Can't wait for a wagon on them

VOTE: JayDragon - blatantly opportunistic.

Opportunistic scum over here.

VOTE: Jaydragon

So you are calling me scum then??
Here, take this!

VOTE: JayDragon

26 is a scumclaim.

VOTE: JayDragon

What a strange sequence. A common pattern we see between these 2 is friendly interaction but never really reading each other.

..but honestly though Elsa, you should learn how to scumhunt and forget this "I'm here to just survive"-mentality.

If you trust yourself to not be a mislynch bait and be considered a voice of the reason, then you would have a survivor mentality.

The key word in my post was "just". If you only join a game to survive, you ruin it for your teammates most of the time.

Another example of that.

I still need the time to nitpick-read, I can't fully participate until then.

Dino and Elsa are polar opposites to me playstyle-wise.
I like Dinos thought process, and I dislike Elsas approach to the game. Totally NAI, I think, but I am honestly willing to just policy lynch her for it.

Nevertheless, I need the time to read and will post on computer next time to push for discussion outside of her.
I think its OK to do policy lynch D1, but we need to not make it the only discussion theme for the day..

This is pretty LAMISTy. Like obviously policy lynch isn't gonna be the only discussion theme. It doesn't need to be said.

So, both momo and Mathdino are correctly TRing me but for the wrong reasons.

This feels out of place.
So much meta and prior interactions have been dragged in these reads and I feel like it devalues most of them.
Mathdino, for now, feels like the towniest of the bunch - momo and A50 are both feeling more sketchy than not.

#badposting

I really like the hypo-claimage -

If I were to be the Hider, I would hide behind Mathdino

.
I was just recently in a game where there was a role that definitely benefited from crumbing their N1 target.

Hiding behind me prevents other hiders from hiding behind me and confirming me. Also shows strangely little concern for dying since I'm an obvious NK target. Could be one of the killers.

Both Elsa and Red are on the table as lynch-candidates, but I have reason to believe I already found scum, and his buddies conveniently "missed" the tells.
Turning towards the easy target (Elsa) right now makes me think there's already scum in the wagon..

Reads like someone with knowledge.

so he's going to be useless both by day and by night, regardless of his alignment.

I have like a lot of games I was one of the most useful town members.

I'm just not very inspired rn and you can see this is sitewide.

I hope you become more active soon!
I have no trouble believing in your skills, and I've been very distracted myself recently, so I can sympathize..

Buddy-buddy. I would not at all expect this interaction to come from scum-scum honestly. Scum just wouldn't say anything here.

You're not going to gain anything by trying to get someone to blindly and independently verify what you've found in this game. Better to make your case and see how it's received.

So what you're saying is that no one should read or re-read the game, and just hop on an easy wagon?

Because what my post was SUPPOSED to imply, was that everyone should look beyond Red and Jay FOR NOW, and try to actually scumhunt.
I have also made my initial case for why I voted for A50, and would like it if you actually reviewed it.
A50 is scum, and his buddies will try to discredit me during the following 8~hours before I get back on a computer..

Badddd. But unconsciously assumes 2 buddies. That's important.

like lynches in red/jay

Strange, both feel like mislynches.

This is super important. Heavily implies Ghost is town tbh.

Now go read that "mysterious" post I made earlier - I wanted someone else to arrive to this conclusion by themselves and organically.
I think there has been a creeping suspicion on an association between Dino and A50.
That is EXACTLY why I want A50 lynched now that I already scumread him - it might help me sort Dino more firmly.

Impede and havingfitz are on my townleans now.

I would argue me, A50, Impede, and fitz are all cut from similar cloth. Logical thought process/presentation.
Funny that his scumreads among those types are the people who are obstacles to his ideas.

The RedFlavor wagon seems to have lost all momentum, even in my mind. Seems like there's always a better fad.

What do you make out of RedFlavor wagon losing steam?

The obvious answer to this is "Well, Red is probably scum". Also clears Red/Ghost.

My votes on that wagon were mostly goofing around, but also because I wanted to get the game rolling - anything for content, amirite?

LAMIST as shit. Tryhardy.

I'm trying to dig myself out of my tunnel and focus my next reread on RedFlavor, Kop, Hawk, havingfitz.
I feel like Mathdino/A50/momo form the bulk of the actual conversation, and I'm constantly paranoid of them creating the whole picture for everyone else to see (NAI, but destroys original ideas and organic reads).
I still haven't been able to keep up posting-wise, but I have been reading more than three times a day.
Will be able to devote a lengthy time for only posting before D1 deadline though, probably Tuesday.

Reconsideration of reads is good. Paranoia seems legitimate.

I still think lynching in a slot like Creature D1 is fine, but I think people are overestimating the association reads we get from such a flip.

This doesn't come from someone who already knows Creature is scum.

RedFlavor can be lynched
sheepsaysmeep town
Srceenplay town I guess
Kop null
UnaBombaH seemed town
Impede I haven't decided yet

Relevant reads. Red is town. This implicates Kop.

Conclusions:
- RedFlavor/Ghost is absolutely NOT Creature's partner. I stand deeply corrected. Creature wanted the Red wagon to take off again.
- A few Una/Creature interactions make no sense.
- Una has a lot of moments where it looks like he genuinely wants to solve the game.
- On the other hand, Una has a lot of moments that seem like he's posturing and wants to be townread.
- Una also actively tries to lynch/discredit all of the town leader types, while trying to defend the less present.
- Una does not himself town-lead. He's subtle and lets town do its own thing.

Implication: UnaBombaH is SK.

[Srceenplay]

ge.

so he's going to be useless both by day and by night, regardless of his alignment.

I have like a lot of games I was one of the most useful town members.

I'm just not very inspired rn and you can see this is sitewide.

I hope you become more active soon!
I have no trouble believing in your skills, and I've been very distracted myself recently, so I can sympathize..

Buddy-buddy. I would not at all expect this interaction to come from scum-scum honestly. Scum just wouldn't say anything here.

Wasn’t it said scum don’t have day talk?
It looks to me like a buddy giving a subtle pep talk message.

[Srceenplay]

Quotes got messed up.

Fixed.

[Srceenplay]

Hiding behind me prevents other hiders from hiding behind me and confirming me. Also shows strangely little concern for dying since I'm an obvious NK target. Could be one of the killers.

If you want an explanation why you didn’t die this is definitely it.
Add that to the point that I mentioned about A50 pegging the team and it makes more sense.

[Mathdino]

There's a lot that makes sense with them being scum together and a lot that doesn't. He's one of the early players who unconsciously called 3 scum in non obvious ways.

He's SK or town. First on my shitlist after we get mafia. But he's nowhere near ballsy enough as scum to talk to his buddy like here.

Gimme more suspects?

[Srceenplay]

I’ll read someone else tomorrow.
It’s midnight and I have work.

[Mathdino]

Jay pulled a similar playstyle to this in Mini Normal 1969, which just finished, and got endgamed as a VT.
Other people I've played with are Havingfitz, Creature, Almost50, and UnaBombaH. The only one of them I trust myself to be able to easily read is Creature, whom I'm townreading.

fuck, guys, idk how we missed this but this is town/SK

momo get out of tunnel vision mode, trust me on this

i'll vote kop or sheep with you tbh

[Kop]

@Dino

- Wisdom

Ooh~ That explains a lot.

- Page

Thanks for explaining.

- Vote

Dude hasn't answered my question anyway, so... #pettyreasonsftw

VOTE: Kop

What question did you ask me that I've failed to see?