Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

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VOTE: ep

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Penguin Power did not throw shade.

Activity tells are shit, and they will always be shit.

We are out of rvs. Please shut this argument down.

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VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

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I made a good vote

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You should surely be able to tell I think maxous is scum.

You're null.

Whoever first brought up the timing thing is probably town-ish.

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

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Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

Penguin will be scum unless he posts a smilie in his next post.

You're better than fallacious analogies

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VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

Wagons get the game going

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Klick, riddle me this:

Why is shutting down one argument going to put us back in RVS? Thor explicitly said he started the argument for the sake of ending rvs. He then wriggled a scum read into the argument. How do you feel about that?

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Bella votes are pro town atm

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You're joking right? You really don't see the difference between saying there's one thing he shouldn't do and one thing he should do?

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Bella votes are pro town atm

Not sure how I feel about this post. On the one hand, I can see possible scum in Bella, but on the other hand, it looks slightly manipulative.

VOTE: Flubber

Pinging me just a bit stronger than thor.

So, calling a scum read from one post is always an easy case to fake.

Would you like to elaborate on how it's manipulative? Because there's nothing in that post that says there's consequences for disagreeing with me, and I'm certainly not buddying anyone with it

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Timing tells are still garbage Thor.

Pls make better pushes cuz based on that wiki thing you posted you're probably a sk right now.

Pedit: no. You would have a different point then. Be explicit about what you're getting at or something

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I mean your push against me now sucks too

I think seeing what I did as coaching makes your complaint make more sense. Think of it this way: if I'm already of the opinion that your timing argument isn't worth discussing, why would I town read someone who's only focus is that argument?

You're welcome to show me a tell based on timing actually working. I've never seen it before. Also, you've said that you're no longer attaching to this argument as a means to get out of rvs, so why are you even bringing that up?

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I just don't get the idea behind telling him 'yo, stop doing A and I'll read you townish'.

The general idea is that calling something out makes someone less likely to do it. Even if penguin is scum, they've now lost a tool to bog the thread down with bullshit.

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There's also the point that I never said anything about townreading penguin. Ever.

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I think an example of a timing tell with an explanation of why it worked and how it applies to this game and an example of a timing tell that didn't work with an explanation of how it doesn't apply to this game wouldn't take much effort, and would be useful in discerning your alignment.

Do you agree?

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If I was saying Bella was the right lynch, then I'd be voting them, yes?

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I'm also curious as to why you now think penguin was dishonest about their mod activities

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Thor, I expected better than defending your counterexample by virtue of it being a counterexample. How does that show me you didn't get lucky and lynch scum for the wrong reason? I'm well aware that yes, you *could* catch scum on timing. That doesn't convince me that it's a useful path of pursuit to find scum. In addition, asking if I would like examples of timing tells working, and then telling me doing such is a waste of time comes off as incredibly disingenuous.

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You should surely be able to tell I think maxous is scum.

You're null.

Whoever first brought up the timing thing is probably town-ish.

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

not seeing Max scum, explain please.

I liked them for scum off the unexplained town reads. That's now stale.

UNVOTE:

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Also Thor, is there a reason your interrogation of me isn't a push yet? You're usually quick to discern my alignment.

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Yeah, that is what I meant and was super helpful.

IF flub -doesn't- wanna lynch me, what does he think town is getting out of a wagon... I have some ideas but I'd rather flub talked to me.

The idea was that you had a weak entrance that scum could have hopped on to counterwagon maxous. It would have made for a good talking point in addition to Thors push on penguin

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In a way, moneybags, but there was no "bait" in the sense that it would have given us a smoking gun on someone.

I'm surprised that people continue to assume consequence from saying votes on Bella would be pro town

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Well if I 100% knew you were town and didn't see a counterwagon appear, surely I'd be more surprised, right?

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I'm not sure how else to, really.

If you are town, and had a fairly weak entrance, why do you think scum wouldn't counterwagon you?

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Thor, what changed from 110

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Klick, I'm sharing a simular sentiment that the majority of the players that have posted so far are town. When I have more time I will detail this.

The one thing I don't particularly understand is why people believe texcat is town. Not getting the gut feeling others have.

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So make a case or something

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Moz - they've always been quick to push reads, and they're making good points amongst them.

HeWhoSwims - 66 critically analyzes how town and scum have to play differently to their win conditions, and pull reads from it. 164 handles the Thor/pp interaction in a way that gets the point across without belaboring it. There's also self reflection and uncertainty in some of their reads, which is comes off as honest. Very town.

Moneybags - I like 150 (reads list) . I can see the conclusions he made stemming out of the discussion he generated.

Bellaphant - I tend to see posts directly challenging asymmetric knowledge like 154 as hard to fake as scum (though not impossible). I also can't peg any scum motivation to the gut town read of texcat. It can also be difficult for scum to do a 180 on a stance without feeling like they have to cover tracks. I don't see that here.

Klick - making good observations. I'm partially sheeping 95 with my moz read above. They're also making reasonable pushes and seeing things that other players haven't.

Beefster - same 180 thing as Bella. Their reads are kinda weak, but I can see where most of them are coming from (except the moz newb thing, but I never call scum over one point)

CultofAthena - they caught the same thing I caught with PP early game. Their last post shows healthy town suspicion.

Maxous - good reaction to the pressure over their early Town reads. I can see them expecting that to be a moot point and moving on with the rest of the game, and didn't try to over explain their initial town leans.

Tl;dr: there's been a lot of strong town players for this early in the game and I took for granted that it was not immediately obvious what I was seeing.

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So make a case or something

Hmmmm...

VOTE: Flubbernugget
Telling me to make a case, when you are not. Plus telling us that voting Bella is a town thing to do, when you are not.

QFT.

Flubber, care to explain why both of these points are a thing?

Well, there's seven pages of content, and texcat didn't have much to say about it. The "make a case or something" was a reference to the fact that texcat was shading Bellaphant without pushing many reads.

Do you still think tex is town from their catch up? I don't.

VOTE: texcat

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Errantparabola has a food entrance so far. I like their point about moneybags being the voice of reason, though I do still think they are town at the moment.

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It would have been an easy vote park when you were lurking. Not when you're here to defend yourself.

It's not that you said something about Bella, it's *what* you said. You were throwing rvs levels of suspicion when we're 8 pages into the game.

Your omgus claim is dumb for two reasons. 1) it's reasonable to have something to say about your first (lacking) post of substance. 2) I have enough town reads to POE down to 3ish players, making your lack of substance even more damning.

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I just don't get the idea behind telling him 'yo, stop doing A and I'll read you townish'.

The general idea is that calling something out makes someone less likely to do it. Even if penguin is scum, they've now lost a tool to bog the thread down with bullshit.

Cult, this answers your question to me.

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How... seriously do you want to consider this PoE in the D1 lynch or even further lynches? Can we (or well, you) really get 7-9 townreads that are strong enough and valid enough to pin one of the others down as undeniable scum? Agree that low activity = contra town but for the sake of town -assuming you're town for now- keep your vision open beyond this early PoE.

It's atypical to have this many town reads, yes. That's why I was hesitant to revote in the poe pool after unvoting. I don't see what the problem is with this is, and considering you didn't seem to take issue with my reads list, I don't see why you're taking issue to it either.

You're also arguing from a really strange angle that my early reads are locked in stone.

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Thor voting for me after "not pushing me" because they're interested in me vs tex interactions is some absolute weaksauce

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232 is a good post

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You're trying to corner moz into scum reading me with a damned if I do, damned if I don't argument.

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Lol you'd probably scum read me for that too

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Also, I have no clue why you're town reading texcat. Low content meta doesn't cut it. You still have to account for the very little scumhunting in what they had, which was a laughable pocketing accusation.

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I don't understand either, but do note that Bella's pockets are roomy and warm.

Also, I have no clue why you're town reading texcat. Low content meta doesn't cut it. You still have to account for the very little scumhunting in what they had, which was a laughable pocketing accusation.

I agree that it was not a super serious accusation. Perhaps that smiley tipped you off?

So then, you're barely scumhunting, even for your activity.

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Beefster, I don't think you have a very good perception of what a vague and empty read is.

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EP, I think 183 should answer your question.

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The "change" was literally just me no longer arguing with Thor if you actually look at the course of events.

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Thor voting for me after "not pushing me" because they're interested in me vs tex interactions is some absolute weaksauce

Anyway, this is still plenty enough reason that my wagon is bad.

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Thor, your question to me does not make sense

That replacement makes look at pp more as scum

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You don't have a case.

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scum-Moneybags (Scummybags?),

Not actually making a point here, but this was pretty funny

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And no Thor, I didn't explicitly ask you for your case on me, but I casted suspicion on you never posting one almost immediately after your vote.

I don't recall you asking me to back up my meta read at all. If I didn't answer your question, why didn't you quote it several times like you did with maxous?

It's very fair to consider the wagon on me bad when the player known for being able to make strong cases isn't making an actual case on me.
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Not 100% caught up.

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And no Thor, I didn't explicitly ask you for your case on me, but I casted suspicion on you never posting one almost immediately after your vote.

I agree that your goal was to make me look scummy for something that wasn't scummy.

I don't recall you asking me to back up my meta read at all. If I didn't answer your question, why didn't you quote it several times like you did with maxous?

You're still not answering the question I notice.
I didn't re-ask because I never once felt that you had done it accidentally.

It's very fair to consider the wagon on me bad when the player known for being able to make strong cases isn't making an actual case on me.

Who is this player?
Because if it's me - what's the evidence in support of me making strong cases?
And if it's not me - whose case are you dogging on?

1) bad frame. I'm one of the few people actually putting effort into sorting you past "Thor is null"

2) Asking "I am?" sounds rhetorical. It's fair to assume that means our recollections differ, and it's fair to not dig much into the meta after that (I've never been a meta heavy player as is). Again, be explicit. You didn't have a problem doing this with me before, and now you do. You're giving yourself too much slack to backtrack on your arguments.

3) knock off the humility bullshit

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I need to prod dodge. I've over extended myself between school and work.

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Beginning a catch up now

The tldr is probably going to be:

-> Transcend not doing anything, making PP's original tunnel on thor look scum motivated
-> Thor ignoring my issue of him treating players asymmetrically by flapping his arms and saying I don't have a meta case on him

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As of page 19 my predictions are true and RCs claim is bathed in wifom and wasting time at best.

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Caught up to 22

Maxous is coasting.

RC, what's with the unconfident reads list?

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I guess unconfident is a bad word

But it makes it look like you're not paying much attention to solving the game

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If Moz is scum he's a mastermind.

Can you elaborate on this?

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oh yeah and this is what happens when you don't give me a few days to figure out my reads and instead force me to half bake content, you get reads that fly all over the place while I'm still rereading the game.

I hope you all learned your lesson

Fair post

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Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

Moneybags has these really strange tone inconsistencies where he goes from 100% literal and calm to awkward tinges of sarcasm and I'm suspicious of it, but can't pin a motivation to it atm.

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VOTE: Beefster

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For those keeping track.
Yes, Flubber is still ducking answering the question.
You'd think he'd answer it just to undercut me at this point since he claims to think I'm scum.
But he won't, because then he'd have to reveal that the case is empty and he's scum.

I'm not ducking your question. I told you I misunderstood your question as a rhetorical statement, and then took your word that my meta recollection of you was misrembered.

Are you arguing that I was correct on your meta this whole time?

No, you're flapping your arms and making a shit fucking case that, if wasn't shit, would only be pointing at a small point of my play, which is not how you find scum.

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I'm against lynching for information considering the alternative is to lynch to hit scum

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Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

What re-evaluation?

Yeah, I have time to talk about this now.

First, we can dissect all the lamist bullshit in 632. I misread it as a re-evaluation as opposed to a flat-out submission, but my issue in it lies elsewhere. First, "saying lynch me for info" doesn't solve the game. It absolves you from having to take responsibility for your actions, and it flat-out

does not

assist town. It gives you a free pass to do nothing, which is actually creating

less

information for town.

Lets look at this compared to the rest of your ISO. There's no frustration. There's no considerations or evaluations that your reads may actually be wrong. There's just this "gut" thing being thrown out to look good.

But...very interestingly...your scum reads got called out for the entirety of the page before 632. You got caught, and cracked under the pressure.

My town read on you stemmed from you being self-aware, but I now see that it was just a sign of you needing to leave your reads open to hide from suspicion.

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like i'm pretty sure he realized that at some point if he seemed derpy enough he could push scum wincon like a legendary motherfucker

To be completely honest, I'm reading moz as town for being reactionary and gut reading what they see in a similar manner to how I am seeing your play.

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I have never indicated in any way shape or form that I agreed with your meta read.
I have repeatedly indicated I thought your reads were made up and asked you to back them up.
I agree it's a small thing - which is why your inability/refusal to provide it is a big thing.

Please prove you weren't lying to try to call me scum in a scummy way.
Any century now?

This is a lie.

You did not ask me to back my reads up. You asked me to back my meta read of you up (apparently...I still think you used wishy washy language to give yourself breathing room for a push). I had a whole wall of town reads you have made no mention of, yet you still have evidence that I'm faking my reads? hahaha no.

You never actually commented on why I thought tex was scum. You voted me on some other fake grounds as to how I'm reading you.

You voting for me over texcat and then backpedaling to explain why I am scum shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

You pushing me to be attentive to the game at a higher standard than other players shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

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i have to actually remember why i tr max because that vote was pretty ass just now

Yeah, my town read of them eroded a while ago.

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I like that question because it means if you can't get a lynch on me you can turn on transcend for either A) being on a bad wagon, or B) whiteknighting a bad wagon

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Yeah,I had a mental lapse about TC's claim. But that actually makes you questioning TC's play even more strange. This might pan out to be interesting.

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It's been well established that moz is a tough town read to actually explain. Are you arguing they're scum?

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I'm confirming my IC status to the mod. Votes on Beefster or flashwagon thor.

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Also if Thor flips scum he tried to chainsaw me and tex gets speedlynched tomorrow.

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This whole moz conspiracy is probably giving you warm fuzzies because it would be really sexy to catch scum that way, but elegant strategies never work in literally any game imaginable

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Beefster scum flip implicates he who swims and klick

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Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

What re-evaluation?

Yeah, I have time to talk about this now.

First, we can dissect all the lamist bullshit in 632. I misread it as a re-evaluation as opposed to a flat-out submission, but my issue in it lies elsewhere. First, "saying lynch me for info" doesn't solve the game. It absolves you from having to take responsibility for your actions, and it flat-out

does not

assist town. It gives you a free pass to do nothing, which is actually creating

less

information for town.

Lets look at this compared to the rest of your ISO. There's no frustration. There's no considerations or evaluations that your reads may actually be wrong. There's just this "gut" thing being thrown out to look good.

But...very interestingly...your scum reads got called out for the entirety of the page before 632. You got caught, and cracked under the pressure.

My town read on you stemmed from you being self-aware, but I now see that it was just a sign of you needing to leave your reads open to hide from suspicion.

I dinged Beefster for bad logic earlier in the game and he admitted it was bad logic and adjusted.
How does that reaction fit into this theory case of yours?

I have never indicated in any way shape or form that I agreed with your meta read.
I have repeatedly indicated I thought your reads were made up and asked you to back them up.
I agree it's a small thing - which is why your inability/refusal to provide it is a big thing.

Please prove you weren't lying to try to call me scum in a scummy way.
Any century now?

This is a lie.

You did not ask me to back my reads up. You asked me to back my meta read of you up (apparently...I still think you used wishy washy language to give yourself breathing room for a push). I had a whole wall of town reads you have made no mention of, yet you still have evidence that I'm faking my reads? hahaha no.

You never actually commented on why I thought tex was scum. You voted me on some other fake grounds as to how I'm reading you.

You voting for me over texcat and then backpedaling to explain why I am scum shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

You pushing me to be attentive to the game at a higher standard than other players shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

There are a lot of whines here.
None of them are backing up your BS meta claim.

You better be IC - it's the only way my vote is coming off you.

Absolutely fucking insane that you'd entertain me lying about the IC claim.

The almighty Thor is withering away in old age.

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There are less votes on Beefster than before I claimed IC, and no other viable wagon is popping up. There are three days before deadline. Get your shit together before today ends in a no lynch.

Thank you.

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Both of you are on shitty vanity wagons

Step the fuck up

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I Like aggressive flubber

You're not cute

Vote for someone in lynch range today

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There are less votes on Beefster than before I claimed IC, and no other viable wagon is popping up. There are three days before deadline. Get your shit together before today ends in a no lynch.

Thank you.

you oprefer Beef to Thor?

I would like Thor over beef, but if Thor gets wagoned he's going to strong-arm the thread and induce apathy.

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Lynch is between tex and beef now.

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Wahhh

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Vote: HeWhoSwims

I actually find it interesting all the shade I'm getting - seriously none of you have ever seen a fake IC claim before? I've seen it less than fake day vig, but I've seen it more than once.

@Flubber - don't make up meta when you're town.

I DIDN'T MAKE UP META YOU FUCKING TWAT I FUCKING TOOK WHAT I INTERPRETED AS YOUR WORD THAT I WAS WRONG ON IT

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FAKE IC CLAIM FROM ME BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAFUCKING NO

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Also, what about the shade on you from voting town between the the world players and conviniently hitting town?

Why

Do

You

Keep

Deflecting

From

That

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VOTE: he who swims

These speedwagons don't make me happy but that I can see why they would happen

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VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Making sure the vote counter picks it up

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Instead of like uh saying you can't make out anything from my reads

You could also just ask me about it so I can clear it up to you as I think I've been perfectly clear multiple times.

Instead of lynching a (semi-)active player who's out in the open. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your reads involved a timid push on me that led me to have to claim L1.

Why are we trusting your reads without a town flip now?

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Inb4 Thor's obligatory "bit I gave other players lip service" commentary

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*but

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VOTE: thor

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On top of

still

trying to stay away from tex with a ten foot pole, Thor comes out of the gates D2 begging for town cred off the hws lynch.

Not buying it

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Klick has had issues formulating scum reads, danced around whether or not I was scum, and had hws in their null pile as of recent.

I like klick for scum.

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I think lynching through Thor, tex, and klick wins us the game

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Oh, I forgot Beefster was sketchy too.

I don't think we can lynch through four?

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It's going to be so satisfying listening to you piss into the wind this whole game

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I don't know where your gauge of beefster's competence comes from but I'm not agreeing with it in the slightest.

I admit it seems strange to see Thor bus HWS over Tex, but I'm still attributing that to being a victim of circumstance.

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less theory more scumhunt

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I have more thoughts on klick but if I state them outright I'm going to expect a heisenberg-esque town read on them. Hopefully I'll remember what they were.

On the other hand, moz being town on the consensus of being "oblivious" does not line up with them being scum together. The clean answer here is that two scum in a pool of four means that two in the pool don't have to be scum together. I'm surprised klick didn't take this route.

RC makes a good point that Thor playing ace attorney with moz's case is nai at best.

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In the unlikely chance of Thor flipping town, Beefster deserves to be powerlynched into a new dimension.

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In the unlikely chance of Thor flipping town, Beefster deserves to be powerlynched into a new dimension.

I'd replace out for lack of enthusiasm, but I suspect that will pass and I don't have any other active games right now. I've been doing a lot of introspection lately and haven't really put much energy into the game.

You're going to have to take a new angle because I don't read people based on effort

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Okay COA let's get this out of the way. I'm not actually townreading you.
I've defended you thus far because I know that I can townread you but as of right now I am not.
You need to do more in this game so that I can have a real read on you or I am going to want you lynched.

+1

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moz, who else is scum?

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For the sake of not shading RC at stupid times can we all agree a lack of tracker CC before m/lylo is a game throw?

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Yeah this whole arguing your innocence to conftown thing isn't vibing with me.

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I never thought I'd see a game where there would be the slightest semblance of synergy between me and RC

Pedit I think both of our points gel well then. Klick wagon?

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I think Klick has been very much town-posting to the point i'm confused why some people are scum-reading him.

This is the problem with klick. They're "town posting" but when you read for motivations the scum oozes out.

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Have you played with moz before?

If you've seen literally anything before that suggests they have scum mastermind mastermind play please point me to it. Otherwise I really think you're wasting our time with this push.

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Dear fuckin lord is that an awful wagon

VOTE: klick

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at this point I'm reading both Thor/RC spat as town and Beefster town. What's your logic on scumBeef?

Beefs been on every wagon that looked like a viable lynch

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For the love of all fuck Thor it wasn't a half admission. Town can misrember things. You didn't account for that in your scumhunting and you look like an idiot for it. You're making shit frames to preserve your ego over your shit fucking read.

You're consistently making arguments with people that accomplish more points scoring than anything else.

Please stop.

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I asked you to back it up

I could score points here about you asking in some bullshit roundabout manner that was as weak as a 13y old trying to figure out if someone has a crush on them

But I'm not going to

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This is wrong of me.

I shouldn't have said anything. I know better.

I'll have moz and Thor on shutoff now, sorry.

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EP is still a bad vote. I will not budge on this.

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RC, I'm willing to vote moz, but I have two issues:

1 -> the wagons in this game are forming slow
2 - > because of 1, Beefster has a good chance of unvoting moz (who still comes off as a tough sell for scum) which risks us running into a no lynch.

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VOTE: moz

Everyone is a VT claim at this point, right?

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Also;

@Flubber - for tomorrow.
Please make scum thankful they have to kill you and be more active, incisive, and forthcoming

To add to you not being emotional...

...this is you crying because I scum read you

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Who here has an explicit town read on klick?

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VOTE: texcat

There's too much talking about a tex lynch without any votes.

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Two days to lynch.

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Also, klick's vanity wagon is doing fuck all, as he has done all game.

Again, if you are town reading klick, please talk about why.

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Cool now that Thor's answered twice, the rest of the town can say something on it.

If the whole town is scum reading klick and the wagons/cw's are all somewhere else the town should be ashamed of themselves. I don't think that's the case, and I take issue with my scum reads flying under the radar.

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Oh, ep has answered too. I'll have to follow up on that

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It probably goes without saying that I'm not entertaining a double bus anywhere

I need to review

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I want to iso coa, max.

Do we have three lynches?

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Okay so I went over coa. Their ISO has a healthy combination of inquisitiveness and perusal of reads.

However, Maxous's note about the COA/scum interactions looks quite damning. There is one post to HWS, and nothing on tex. Both of their scum reads are lynchbait.

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If you were looking at RC's reads I'd expect you to look at moz

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Btw if RC didn't have scum in his reads I would have been the preferable kill to him

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@Flubber - you were absolutely an inferior kill option for scum.
RC was a Tracker.
With one scum alive she's a cop.

Yeah, didn't think that 100% through.

I still need to relook at the rc reads outside of moz

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Moz, what does a coa push look like?

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The problem I have with considering max as scum based on HWS reads is that HWS had a lot of tr's.

That being said, I would like to iso dive them later today

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Hmmm. Max talks about tex a lot, but has them go from null to town. Nothing looks like coaching

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VOTE: cult of Athena

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It seems like nobody else shares my opinion on this, and I'm not sure why. If it's just for the tex vote yesterday, I think it's very realistic that scum!EP feels like it's necessary to bus tex in the situation that he was in, and the context surrounding his vote makes me think that it's very likely.

Bad hand wave

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I picked up my prod. Very happy with the state of the game. Not much to say considering my desired lynch is going through.

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Nothing important is happening

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What the fuck happened

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Nope staying on Athena.
If Errant was scum Moz would of been lynched yesterday
He had an easy chance to push that through but decided to bus hid buddy instead?
Nah

This. There were two scum lynches in a row. There is significant reason to assume bussing isn't a thing atm.

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Consider the possibility of Klick!Scum

Klick!scum made the world's stupidest fucking bus imaginable yesterday

no

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Ty for hosting mod

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Very happy to not be your cocksucker

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