Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[mozamis]

Vote Count 1.0

ErrantParabola

(2): PenguinPower, Flubbernugget

Not Voting

(11): Moneybags, Maxous, ErrantParabola, Bellaphant, Thor665, CultOfAthena, HeWhoSwims, Klick, Beefster, mozamis, texcat

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-24 20:00:56)

barely readable, any chance of changing the font,mod?

[mozamis]

hey all, and hey maxous who was in my first ever game!

[mozamis]

VOTE: PenguinPower

interesting, wonder if that is a goodcatch?
worth a shot anyway
VOTE: penguinpower

[mozamis]

thor looks town. whether he is right or wrong about penguin, he is game solving.

[mozamis]

UNVOTE:

[mozamis]

penguin sounds like he is telling the truth.

[mozamis]

moz, penguin, thor town. P.O.E ahoy!

[mozamis]

thor looks town. whether he is right or wrong about penguin, he is game solving.

Meh, it's too early to tell. This is how Thor plays either alignment.

well, sounds like you know his meta and i dont. still, it's ballsy for scum and this early in the game, i'm inclined to say more likely to be town than scum.

[mozamis]

Hi everyone, let's make it a good game and good luck!

VOTE: Thor665

this is my least favourite post. bit self conscious?
VOTE: hewhoswims

[mozamis]

I can see why you get vague impressions but I don't think they'll be helpful to the game... someone isn't scum or town based on the way they cast a vote in RVS or say hello to competitors so having impressions is okay, but why mention them as you said?

so you saying you suspect Mavous or not. I dont like this, it seems like vague scummy shade throwing.
(@ - whoever: my vote wa semi serious - he did seem a bit self conscious, but obv. it wasnt a massive strong read - but i am now happy with it as a serious vote).
Lets get some votes on He whoswims.

[mozamis]

You should surely be able to tell I think maxous is scum.

You're null.

Whoever first brought up the timing thing is probably town-ish.

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

not seeing Max scum, explain please.

[mozamis]

I had reads skimming through this, but I'm not around for very long. I'll prolly post something in the next 2ish hours?

UNVOTE:

why didnt you at least mention one of your reads?

fos klick

[mozamis]

prod dodge, sorry.will cstch up tomorrow.

[mozamis]

VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

yeah this could be a good catch. 3rd vote on the wagon, no great reason for it.
town lean Beef,

fos flubber

[mozamis]

These posts look like newbscum, but mozamis is obviously no newb.

why?

[mozamis]

moz, penguin, thor town. P.O.E ahoy!

moz,penguin,thor, beef town

[mozamis]

i liked Athena's post because she go stuck into the scumhunting straight away and i liked Penguin's initial response endorsing the line of enquiry.

call it gut or w/e. Maybe my standard of having a early town-lean is looser than other people's.
and as you can see with my current read on Penguin - it's not binding anyway

agree with thtese reads, cult looked town.
max look stown.

[mozamis]

moz, penguin, thor town. P.O.E ahoy!

moz,penguin,thor, beef town

moz,penguin,thor,beef,cult,max= town.

s

o scum in Klick, Hewho,Errant,Flubber,Bella, Tex,Moneybags

3scum in 7, not a bad lynch pool for day 1.
Before people go mental, these are PROVISIoney
ONAL DAY 1 reads. I like to be captain obvious, get a sensible lynch pool going for day 1.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT TOWN POOL are confirmed. It just helps me focus.
But yeah, we should defintely be looking at those 7

[mozamis]

the edit went weird
*provisional day 1 reads

[mozamis]

flubber is close to that towbloc as well

[mozamis]

anyone else think that those interactions between Bella and Klick were scum and scum? they didnt seem very suspicious of each other?
totally happy with calling scum team of Bella, Kilck and Hewhoswims atm.

[mozamis]

It's his reaction that counts.

exactly.his reaction looked town toe me, he gave as good as he got, didnt try and shirk the issue, slightly annoyed, all town tells. probably lol

[mozamis]

that was about Penguin.

[mozamis]

later saying he wouldn't clarify bc he didn't wanna get into q and a about it? hiding information isn't helping town.

but he was OPEN about saying "dont wat to get into yet, and then he DID gvien them when pushed.
Think you are really reaching/sheeping what someone else said about max.

[mozamis]

Due to request, I will use a darker blue for now

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[mozamis]

maybe i am just a sucker for effort, but i am quite liking Hewhoswims catch up posts So:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bellaphant

[mozamis]

Town Lean:
Bellaphant - friendly in a town sort of way. Doesn't appear to be deceptive in any way. Genuine.
Moneybags - maybe I'm biased because he townreads me. Probably just gut though. I like his points about other players as well.
HeWhoSwims - seems genuine. Logic follows naturally in a non-deceptive way.
Klick - my initial reaction was more scum leaning, but his interactions (mostly with Bellaphant I think. Not sure of context since I'm looking through ISOs) have been useful and genuine.

Scum Lean:
Flubber - general sentiment, gut. I'm not really sure how to describe what it is that pings my scumdar with him. Maybe just that he comes off as manipulative, trying to run the show and gather towncred. *shrug*
Maxous (slight) - "don't really feel like voting Beefster anymore." switch to Bellaphant vote looks like a garbage reason. Not transparent. He doesn't look particularly deceptive though, so the scum lean is only slight.

Null:
Thor - timing reads are silly. Not too shabby for a first non-RVS wagon though. It generated some productive discussion.
PP - out of game defenses suck, but I honestly don't think they're all that AI now that I think of it. When non-game reasons are used to attack, however...
CultOfAthena - good questions. not much else.
EP - just a check in post. Nothing to go on.
mozamis - eh. I could see it going either way at this point. Hasn't contributed in a particularly helpful way, but isn't outright fluffposting.
texcat - Not enough to go on TBH.

Yup that's everybody. I thought I had more town reads than that for some reason, but then I looked at ISOs and changed my mind on some people.

THIS IS A FUCKING VAGUE LIST - beef off my town list.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Beef
that list...scummy, empty BS.
Bella, Beef, Klick scum team?

[mozamis]

Well, there's seven pages of content, and texcat didn't have much to say about it. The

i have played once with TownTex before, and she was a low poster. So...inactivity NAI for her?

[mozamis]

VOTE: CultOfAthena

Let's try something completely different.

and what the fuck is this anyway? we are a LONG way out of RVS, So much content, so many things if your are town you could talk abotu/vote for. But you vote for no reason?!
Yep, happy with a Beef lynch. Lets go.

[mozamis]

VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

yeah this could be a good catch. 3rd vote on the wagon, no great reason for it.
town lean Beef,

fos flubber

i retract this. Beef much scummier than Flub.

[mozamis]

The flubber wagon felt stale at the time, but it seems to be picking up momentum. She's been pinging my scumdar. She feels very methodical/mechanical in her posts.

VOTE: Flubber

I am still suspicious of COA.

then you change your mind under a tiny bit of pressure?!
yep, Beef is scum.

[mozamis]

@Swims -look at that argument Penguin has with tHor. Never once does he dodge the issue. He confronts thor head on, and exchanges punch for punch, no sign of obfuscation.
I just got that feeling he was being out in the open about it. I can't explain it better than that.

[mozamis]

a - scumlean, as some of her posts are "empty content" to me. 185 bothers me a little bit. I thought I made my opinion on Maxous pretty clear and expressed I wasn't liking the Bella wagon. I feel like 185 could be Bella trying to side a "swing vote" in me, with her. Any thoughts? It's not something I'm pretty set on right now... but it's still there, y'know.

yes, i agree. a couple of her posts have been "talk to me about xyz", which can just be a scu way of posting without giving content.

[mozamis]

Happy birthday to him then! Family is more important than MS of course

dont be a fool man!

[mozamis]

Swims and Money town - so much content.
@ Thor - i guess i meant "changed his vote", not "changed his mind". He changed his vte when someoenasked him why he was voting Cult. looked like scum panicing to me.

P.O.E town: Moz, thor, swims,money,flubber,maxous and cult.

Lynch in: Penguin (drops out of town bloc because no scumhunting yet),Bella, Beef, errant,klick,tex
so we got to the coin flip stage!
my scum team is prob. bella, beef and ??? atm

[mozamis]

I didn't realize there was still a push for max. PP has had to step out for a bit and Bella has

could be a good catch. scum often dont push their reads.

[mozamis]

I'm retracting my retraction on my mozamis read, which is to say that I'm fairly confident that he's town and is now posting exactly how I remember him to post from our last game together.

you gotta love the moz

[mozamis]

But I *heavily* disagree on both Flubber and Beef.
And your Beef pus

i am having problems with my touchpad, so quoting is tricky.
main thing thast pinged me abotu beef was tha tbig reads list post of his, that just looked so effing vague and empty.
yes, i also thought he looked a bit panicky when he changed his vote quickly. but it was that reads list that just looked like BS to me.
as to voting Cult when no one ese does, scum often do that as a "safe" vote park. It's never gonna flip and they will never be o na mislynch. Plus it has that appearance of "original" sum hunting.

[mozamis]

It takes a while for me to figure out how to describe things and details bore me.

a kindred spirit! me too, i like the overview approach!

gonna UNVOTE:
i was really flying on the caffiene when i voted him and there is a chance i was simply talking out of my ARSE.
he has responded well- i think its a fair point to say all reads are quite vague at this stage.
anyway, its all good for P.O.E!
Beef into town pile.

[mozamis]

P.O.E town: Moz, thor, swims,money,flubber,maxous and cult.

Lynch in: Penguin (drops out of town bloc because no scumhunting yet),Bella, Beef, errant,klick,tex
so we got to the coin flip stage!
my scum team is prob. bella, beef and ??? atm

Town= Moz, beef, thor, swims, money, flubber, max and cult.
Lynch in: penguin, bella, errant, klick and tex.
more likely to hit scum than not!

VOTE: Bellaphant

[mozamis]

I'm sorry, real life went to shit, prod dodging for now. If I can't contribute by tomorrow I'll replace

Sorry.

can we get a wagon on bella going befor eshe does replace? Ideally lynch her asap?
All those "talk to me about xyz posts"...complete scum BS.

[mozamis]

to help at all if she's just said real life went to shit and she will try to post tomorrow? If your goal is just outright lynching her now that makes sense, but if you want pressure on her I don't see how that will hel

just giving her hthe heads up that i dont necessarily believe her. i've seen scumtalkiing ablut dead unts and stuff in this game so yeah...real life going to shit?maybe.maybe not. but yeah, we need a wagon on her.

[mozamis]

Transcend replaces PenguinPower. Welcome!

and clash of egos with Thor begins in...1...2...3

i could go for a cult wagon.
shge was in my town pile. but she DOES seem resistant to giving out reads, and her posts are very wordy but vague.

[mozamis]

VOTE: cult

[mozamis]

VOTE: cult

Where the hell did this come from?

i said in my previous post that her vagueness, wordiness and "reads recalcitrance" worried me.
it's not my strongest scum read, and i would prefer to lynch Bella, but i think a wagon on cult is definitely worth it.

[mozamis]

'm not quite sure how I would have handled the situation were I scum, but I don't think it would be like that.

too much info, nervous scum?

fos klick

[mozamis]

hey all, and hey maxous who was in my first ever game!

fun fact: you were in my first game.

it wasn't on this account though.

ah the agony of not knowing lol

[mozamis]

all these bloody alts make sme think that there actually only about 10 players on MS lol

[mozamis]

Sorry, I did pm the mod a day or so ago to replace out but i don't think it got spotted. Sorry

UNVOTE:

my hearts not in the Coa wagon, i think i am voting based on her wallposts which i dislike - either cos they are boring as fuck, or i have a rubbish attention span lol
much rather a wagon on bella. the replace out LITERALLY doesnt matter. Guilty until proved innocent. (sorry, it really bugs when i suspect scum replacing out, because i know it sends Town into paroxyms of "ooo, lets be fair and give the replacement a chance" no. the role pm remains the same. bella was scum, the replacement is scum too. No mercy, no quarter given. WE GIVE THE FUCKER ROPE.)
ah, the caffeine has kicked in lol
VOTE: Bellaphant

[mozamis]

1) bad frame. I'm one of the few people actually putting effort into sorting you past "Thor is null"

no, thor is strong town. you are prob town too.

[mozamis]

@ Klick - join me on Bella.

[mozamis]

wow 3 or four fluff posts in a row from a supposedly good player!
go go go
VOTE: radiantscumbells

[mozamis]

thanks for the reads

[mozamis]

and kilck, what is it with you defending the bella/rc slot so hard?

[mozamis]

oh RC, look into your heart

[mozamis]

Were you aware that this isn't our first game together?

dont think i've played you under your RC alt? I dont know whose alt you are? are you someone i like lol
doesnt really matter since you got a red role pm.

[mozamis]

maybe Cabd?
anyway, who gives a shit lol

[mozamis]

i've seen you on the forums a bit, i've heard people mention you, and a few weeks ago i think i saw an "alt" thread where someone outed you lol
is that good enough for your ego?
anyway, keep up the fluff posting!

[mozamis]

And yes we've played together in this game and I opened in much the same way as I did here.

maybe Cabd?
anyway, who gives a shit lol

Okay I'm straight up calling bullshit to your I don't know whether you're an alt or not routine.

VOTE: Mozamis

easy tiger, i've just looked at that game and i had already been lynched by the time you replaced in.
so sorry to deflate your ego, but i didnt know who you were. i assumed you were dropping a hint that you were an alt or something. which fitted cos i thought i saw a thread a few weeks back with your name in it. could be wrong.
whatever.
nice omgus tho! - why would i as scum use "you're an alt" as an excuse to get you lynced when i alrwady thought you were scum before you replace din? makes no sense.

[mozamis]

i'm sorry i didnt know who you were, and no offence i dont really care. maybe you are nice and we can sit around singing "Kumbya" after the game...
but i reckon you are scum, sorry.

p:edit - had a vague idea you were Cabd's alt. Just going on memory, probably wrong.
no offence o dont really care whose alt you are lol
and i like cabd!

[mozamis]

wow you are either scum going for the omgus big time or really over sensitive town.
ironically the more hysterical you get, the more i'm thinking the latter.
I DIDNT KNOW WE HAD PALYED TOGETHER. (which in my mind we hadnt cis i was dead when you replaced in and i wasnt following the game)
YOU SAID "YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE PLAYED TOGETHER". i THOUGHT THAT WAS YOU DROPPING AN ALT HINT.
how diffcult is that to understand?
calm down, for gods sake.
though if you are scum, you are doing a great job!

[mozamis]

Like I could give a fuck whether you know who I am if it weren't for the fact that you clearly do and are pretending not to with clear scum motivation.

i'm sorry, but in my mind we have nver played together. simple as.
not sure what the scum motivation for any of this is?

[mozamis]

1) i forgot we had ever played together. because effectively we hadnt from my P.O.V.
2) I had heard of you because i have seen you on the forums.

capiche? and go easy on the aggression.
why so sensitive?
interested to get other peoples reactions - town over sensitive or scum counter attacking? beginning toi think the former, but i have no idea as to RC's meta.

[mozamis]

how the fuck was i to know that lol
ok sorry about the cabd thing.
you atill havent posted anything though so overall i'm happy with my vote. Kuribo :p

[mozamis]

I'm going to talk to you as if you're town because I figure if you're scum you're going to continue to try to push me regardless of what I say and this post won't matter.

I thrive when I'm given time and space and if I have to start lynching everyone who is going to push on me to get that space then I am both capable and willing to do so.

Which is all to say that pushing me to rush my timeline isn't going to cause me to give a broad readslist, it's just going to cause me to get pissy and tunnel you to the exclusion of other players who might be better lynches because I haven't had the time and space to decide which of those players might be other lynches. I am not known for failing to do my fair share of work as town but I am known for not reacting well to bad pressure, which this certainly qualifies as.

this kinda sounds like a threat - i dont respond well to threats, so calm the aggro down. if you tunnel me simply out of omgus, then you are a poor town player. maybe you are titus lol
look, i get it - if you are town, then it always hurts to be scum read. but your predecessor was ascummy a shell, and you cam in with some fluff, so yeah, i did scum read you.
you can bluster and threaten all you want, it's not gonna help.
on a completely different subject, i dont respond well to bullies, capiche? so lower the aggro.
i really hope i havent succumbed to "scum aggro", but your massively hysterical over reaction suggests town to me.
UNVOTE:

[mozamis]

Town= Moz, beef, thor, swims, money, flubber, max and cult.
Lynch in: penguin, bella, errant, klick and tex.
more likely to hit scum than not!

town = moz,beef,thor,swims,money,flubber,max,cult,radiant
scum in: Transcend, Errant, klck, tex

[mozamis]

thor, out of those 4, who would be most willing to vote for?

[mozamis]

why?

[mozamis]

and kilck, what is it with you defending the bella/rc slot so hard?

I thought it was Flubber that he was defending so hard.

you ever gonna play this game?

[mozamis]

When i flip, rc is not allowed to wiggle out of a lynch

You must all promise me that

ok.
well, although radiant has to be one of th emost emotional players EVER, she is prob on the right lines here.
We lynch Transcend, Tex and Errant and we win.
VOTE: transcend

[mozamis]

klick is likely town

[mozamis]

but that cc from transcend and then retraction...i mean, that's scum, pure and simple.

[mozamis]

if transcend does flip town, we MUST speed lynch Radiant and Klick.

[mozamis]

Transcend gets the BOTD from me until I have a chance to ISO him. I'm not horrendously opposed to the wagon on the surface, but I need to really decide for myself.

I believe RC for now. Not sure why you'd make that claim on D1, but it's whatever.

mozamis seems opportunistic with his votes. It seems like he's sheeping every new wagon.

no, i was votin gfro bella/rc.
i then voted transcend, who you'll note was in my 4 man non town pile.
@ RC - stop your shade throwing BS. If transcend flips town, you have to go for leading the wagon against him, sonce you are likely scum counter attacking him.
howevr, it seems likely that transcend is scum and you are town. just cant see town transcend making that CC and retracting it.plus he has doen nothing town all game, and P.O.E
we lynch transcend. simple as.

[mozamis]

@ Beef - your vote on me doesnt make sense.i have been totally transparent about my reads.i maybe have changed vote too much - i regret voting for Cult who is clearly town - but apart fromn that, i feel ok. and yo u have no idea how hard it was to unvote Radiant after she was so bloody aggressive, but i try and not to get bogged down in OMGUS. so if you are town, unvote.

i agree with money about transcend - hence he has been in my not toewn pile for a long time. although i also think his cc and retractionwas scun panicking.
i think he is a really good day 1 lynch - very likely scum, and if he isnt, we have a lot to go off.

[mozamis]

Not playing the way you play or the way you think I should play does not mean that I am not playing.

so who do you think is scum?
and if you are town, its hard to read you beacuse you arent contributing enough.
like, you pop in to say transcned and RC both look town, but you dont give us any idea as to who think is scum?
this is why you are in my "likely scum" pile. you never really give reads or show any interest in game solving.
if peopel dont want transcend, we should seriously consider tex cat.

[mozamis]

For the record, I suspected mozamis for a while. I can't say I like his voting patterns.

you literally never expressed any suspicion of me.
so yeah, your vot eon me does look dodgy.

[mozamis]

esting happens he goes off on his own tangent. It feels very off to me.
Transcend/PP: I still agree with CoA about PP in early game. I'm not a fan of the events that have transpired but I'm not sold ju

can we seriously let someone live who has lied about their role?
plus he has done nothing town.

[mozamis]

If there's no scum out of Transcend/RC, do you think their may be scum surrounding the situation at all? If so, who?

you basically said u thought transcend was scum, so why arent you voting for him?

[mozamis]

oz what are 388 and 442? Why does your vote seem to depend on others..

trying to get waogns. i had 4 suspects at the time, and wanted to see who i could get peoplke interested in. want to get my townbloc united, i dont want to waste my time voting texcat while thor is voting Errant or whatever, we need to be on the same wagon.
I think i see your subtext - you should always vote for your strongest scumread, regardless of other people? Maybe.. But when, on day 1, you have a lynch pool rather than really strong scum reads, then you really just want to get something going and not just stand around with your flaccid scrawny dick hanging out

[mozamis]

robably just scum: Transcend

why no vote?

[mozamis]

sorry i missed your vote

[mozamis]

why did you cc tracker then?

[mozamis]

tell me again

[mozamis]

"dont lynch me" = scum

[mozamis]

its too late, your a liar. cnat rutst what you are saying. and it sound slike you ar ejust trying ot survive. you are not giving out reads
town in your position would say "alrigth fuckehads i reckon xyz are scum, your dickhead sfor lynching me, but make sure you lynch xyz tomoorw" or words to that effect
youare just trying to survive.
its not confirmable AT ALL. you are scum, you know there is avig, you know 2 people will prob die, the you can argue it tomorrow.
we lynch you now.

[mozamis]

no one else claim

[mozamis]

absolute worse cae, we lynch a vig, which is as wingy as hell anyway. and we lynch anunreliable lying townie who we dont need in the game.
that is so unlikely though. we lynch transced and we lynch scum. guy couldnt be more obv scum.

[mozamis]

yes.

[mozamis]

*sigh* so we're gonna let him live for another night, even though tomorrow there will be so many ways for him to get out of it? (various PR concoctions, scenarios etc)
i still say we lynch him for being, you know...really scummy.

[mozamis]

so we sure there is no way for transcend to get out of it?

[mozamis]

so who should we lynch transcend?

[mozamis]

bollocks i guess we have to be fair
UNVOTE:

[mozamis]

out of those 2 vig klick
if you guys are both telling the truth, you have outed 2 town pr's DAY 1 FFS

[mozamis]

I'm just going to call out the scumteam right now: RC/mozamis/COA

COA's silence at this point in the game is telling.

yes, her spweing vitrio at me, and me perhaps not being at my diplomatic best was just scum theatre?
VOTE: beefster
i think you are full of shit, voting RC?! it's a massive stretch, and what happened to your vote on me? Which also came out of nowhere?

[mozamis]

tex lurks it up as either alignemnt. i'm ahppy wih her lynch cos ll my scum reads are weak.
but it's a coin flip if lynch tex. which day 1 aint bad.
probably rather beef tho.

[mozamis]

*all

[mozamis]

i got my stgtong townread which we must lyunch - Moz, Rc, Money and Thor.
Anyone else i could do.

[mozamis]

*MUST NOT lol

[mozamis]

f this looks like a scum gambit to you, all the more reason to throw your vote at me. You'll see I have no tricks up my sleeve. I'm more valuable to the town dead because it confirms my alignment. Unless someone actually claims scum for some bizarre reason, I concede to being the best lynch option.

(cult was in this game) problem is Beef, I have just finished a game where ScumCyfly said the same thing. so i am inclined to think this IS a scum gambit.
over all, along with your vagueness all game, you BS vote on RC and me, you are worth a lynch.

[mozamis]

vote beef

[mozamis]

@ Hewhosims - i think its going too far to say Transcned is conftown. It is aworld of WIFOM.
But yeah, i was probably hasty in callin ghim conf scum.
I was annoyed that =RC claimed, he CC, lied about it and then made another claim. Confusing.
But yeah, we leave transcend until tomorrow, if he makes it.

[mozamis]

As a disclaimer I realize I'm probably reading way more into this than I should be. I just personally really think he's incredibly... "raw" as town. So raw it couldn't be faked without a lot of intentional, tactile planning.

yeah i have been accused of this in this in the past - "moz is erratic", "all over the shop" "raw".
And yet, game after game, I am MVP. So chew on that
(more seriously, i think its a playstyle thing - i cant abide tunnelling, so i tend to throw my vote around, get reactions, and P.O.E from there). You have to break eggs to make an omlette...
Try and keep up

[mozamis]

it's like i dont understand people - cult calls me all over the shop, and yet the only game she saw me in, i nailed 2 out of 4 scum early on, and was very close to Cyfly until he fooled me with his "please lynch me speel".
I think a lot of people value style over substance. Personally, I'm more interestee in anailing scum than being "consistent" and looking good.
tl;dr - I rule

[mozamis]

possibly i could preview my posts more lol

[mozamis]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I think this is probably the best lynch right now.

christ, do you want to lynch someone or not?
sure i could do errant, but what happened to beef?

[mozamis]

But why are we not continuing on Beef? Why switch to EP? I don't see why you think there is a difference. I don't see why you and Trans would just back off Beef at the last second. I think we should flip Beef and see how it goes instead of trying to switch wagons at the last second.

exactly. ep is just another lurker lynch.
beef is more likely to flip scum.

[mozamis]

RC's switch to EP looks like it might be an attempt at towncred or a fear of my flip. I may have made it a little too damning to throw a vote at me. Oops. Flailed a little too hard.

If you think that if I were scum I would be at all afraid of lynching you then you need to chill the fuck out.

go easy on the aggrssion and swearing please.

[mozamis]

Sorry, I actually meant to respond to you. I see what you mean about the lynches, I agree with you.
I'm not sure if I agree with that exact argument about flub. I do think its time I get off the fence though, and I'm not sold on any of the other options. Scum being in the beef wagon makes a lot of sense vs anything else I've come up with.

Transcend if you go back and read coa's post where they voted you'll see they actually put effort in and had a solid reason to vote beef. If it's anyone in the wagon it's probably flub.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

retract my moneybags townread.
this post seems really buddying and opportunisitc - flubber is lynch bait i reckon.
for the record i'm still happy with beef but money could well be scum
VOTE: moneybags

[mozamis]

and since rc will manbaby ragelynch me if i shoot coa then i guess i can't shoot her either

dont be intimadated by him. altho personally i wouldnt vig coa. he who swims could be good?

[mozamis]

...hmm. I'll look into the Beefster wagon. Gonna try to see who all was on it on mobile. The way I see it, assuming the Beefster wagon was all my townreads, there are two possibilities:

1. Scum is primarily lurking, with a potential scum or two in Thor/HWS avoiding obvious lynch option Beefster while also not talking it down. I think this is possible, because Beef has brought enough attention to himself to garner some town votes. But probably...
2. One of my leaning town reads is wrong and is part of this Beef push. Looking into the wagon should help me discern who.

gamesoving, original thionking. klick back in the town pile.

[mozamis]

I think that I'm entitled to be aggressive when I'm obvtown as about.blank by play, have a role claim that makes me self resolving, and have spent more energy game solving than anyone else in the game

and I'm still having shit pushes made on me. That shouldn't be happening.

you dint have to role for astart, you are not necessairly town even, altho likely.
but it doesnt matter whether town or scum, you just keep being really aggressive, and i wont tolerate it, i dont want to play in a game with someone who is trying to intimidate. so just calm down please.

[mozamis]

*didnt have to role claim

[mozamis]

Don't play mafia if you get offended by foul language

Srsly

its not really the language tbh = you swear a bit, so do i.
its just Rc is constantly aggressive and bordeline bulliyng which isnt what this game is about.

[mozamis]

NICE

he who swims isnt voting - definitely a good vig, the guy has been quite active and yet hasnt voted? - and he was "suspicious" of beef?!

[mozamis]

You know, i would really like hws to commit to a vote soon since he's sis so much but won't get his hands dirty

exactly

[mozamis]

Flubbernugget (3): texcat, Thor665, Moneybags
Beefster (3): mozamis, CultOfAthena, Flubbernugget

Either there's scum in the competing wagons and/or scum in the voters.

i'd say only moneygas in scum thereHe who swims and maxous?

[mozamis]

{Mozamis, Flubbernugget, ErrantParabola} is a gamesolve if we assume mozamis scum

come on. play with your head. you thought i was town before i asked you to clam down. stop omgusing.
@Money - flubber was being mentioned as a possible scum by transcend, along with YOu and Coa shortly before you voted Flubber. And Rc had to him to not to vote for Coa. So your onyl other option to get the heat off you was Flubber.
Also, you are damning yourself by saying you have had only one scum read other than transcend.

[mozamis]

moz, rc, thor = town
transcend - vig?
lynch bait = texcat, flubber
so we lynch in Errant, Money, beef, maxous, hewho

[mozamis]

beef is looking more town than any of those other bottom 5. hes more involved in the game and giving out reads and changing his vote which he doesnt have to do.
money, max and hewho swims are doing nothing.

@transcend - klick town? hes tricky tho.

[mozamis]

right i'm gonna shut up now so i dont change my mind.
but my preferrred lynch order would be Money, Hewho, Max, Errant.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Errantparabola

may as well put my vote somewhere

god this is bad.
i'm still up for money, but anyone up for maxous? coasting scum.

@ RC - Errant has consistently been in my "happy to lynch pile" for a while. He's not my fav. choice though as i feel its a lurker lynch. Whereas Money, Max and Hewho i think are more scummy. Errants a bit of a lucky dip.
As for the flubber thing, that was a long time ago, i cant remember it, and i've changed my read on him since.
Why would Flubberscum! consistently attack one of the most Townie read players in the game, Thor?!

[mozamis]

and max voting Errant makes me less keen on Errant lynch.

[mozamis]

@ kilck - you didnt give one single reason for voting flubber.

[mozamis]

Conftown Transcend, RC

Town

Townlean Thor, Moneybags, Klick?, Beef

Null Mozamis, tex, COA, Max?

Scumlean Flubber, EP

Scum

If people want me voting then VOTE: Flubbernugget but as said, I'm just barely 100% confident.

this is his first vote since his FIRST POST OF THE GAME!
and what a surprise, hes got EP and Flubber as scum leans! Obv scum setting up obv lynch bait with Max.
I still think Money is probably in the scum team, but we should definitely lynch Hewho and Max.
VOTE: Hewhoswims

[mozamis]

but seriously mozamis is just scum lol

easy on the OMGUS. You were literally calling me town 2 pages ago before i asked you to calm down.
i dont want to get into some pissing contest with you cos you are town so its a waste of time, and just what scum want.
need you with me on Hewho,Max or Money.

[mozamis]

@moz

I have exactly zero compelling scumreads at the moment, and this is a wagon I'm merely satisfied with.

That's as much reasoning as you're going to get.

join me on Hewho. The guy literally pops up evry coupl eof days with massive, and massively wallposts which on closer insepction dont really give out any read and guy never voted!
at least flubber has clearly given out reads all game.

[mozamis]

*with massive, and massively VAGUE

[mozamis]

Also moz why are you trying to get a wagon started on everyone but flubber? I can't deny it's fishy.

obviously that's not true. I'm not trying to get wagon going on anyone apart from Max, Money, Hewho and maybe Errant.

flubber i think is lynch bait, i've been pretty clear on that.

@RC - please tell us why you claimed tracker with (one?) vote on you, you have not been clear about that. I am beginning to wonder about the town motivation for that.
and how as town are we to confirm you are tracker?

[mozamis]

Because I had literally no desire to deal with people scumreading me and I correctly gauged that claiming would make people shove off.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and vote Errant?

Yeah but you have now put a target on your back, i mean if we have no JK you won't survive tonight, so how does that make sense?
Your logic was " I am a town PR, i don't want to be scum read. So I'll give myself a good chance of getting NK'ed instead!"
That does not seem to make a lot of sense.
I would understand it more if you were under pressure, but no one was even voting for you at the time! (I had unvoted you, and Transcen had said you "were probably scum", altho he hadnt voted for you).
I just dont understand the town motivation, why put a massive target on your back?
Anyway, Errant is fourth on my list, so obv i would mnmuch rather the other three?
Why dont you vote Hewho?

[mozamis]

Also, you are hoping that you will be Jk'ed?
Then that means you have nullified your tracking ability for the rest of the game, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

[mozamis]

@ Rc - also, you're seriously ok with lynching someone who is site wide V/LA?

[mozamis]

Also, you are hoping that you will be Jk'ed?
Then that means you have nullified your tracking ability for the rest of the game, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

could you answer this please?

of course i will vote for ep if we need a lynch. i just think there ar ebetter candidates.
why dont you want to vote Hewho? and why do you keep avoiding answering me?

[mozamis]

so you ar enot going to answer the question?
I ask you again:
Why would claim tracker knowing that you will either by Nk'ed or JK'ed, either way nullifiying your PR for the rest of the game?
I'm really struggling got see the town motivation for that.
Your refusal to discuss is noto helping.

[mozamis]

but now your just a VT so if you are town you have completely ruined a really useful PR for the town?
I just dont see why someone with your experience would do it.

[mozamis]

no, all that claiming has done - if you are town - is to make sure you can never use your PR.
on the other hand, if you are scum, it does make sense as a survivalist tactic in this set up.
i think Hewho is scum, but i think you probably are as well. Your claim makes sense as scum, but not as town.

[mozamis]

i'm not "discredting you", i'm just tyrin gto see why, as town, you would do what you would do/
You have an awesome PR as tracker, and you out yourself - and make sure you can never use your ability- with only one person scum reading you and no one voting you?!
It doesnt make sense. Your only defence seems to be "Moz is scum"?

[mozamis]

@ Money -i dont think he has explained himself.
he is an experienced player - and i doubt if even a new player would just ruin one of the best PR's in the game?
You believe he is town?
Maybe he is - but if he is, its a real cock up, because it means he is now a VT. Great.
I mean, fuck knows. It just doesnt make a whole lick of sense.
I say we lynch Hewho, and get back to him tomorrow.

[mozamis]

why do you think my priority should be defending myself when I am literally confirmed town?

1) stop omgusing me. you were calling me town until i asked you lower the aggro.
2) you're not conf. town. Maybe you are town that just made a bad decision. But obviously the jury is still out.

3) i'll vote for anyone apart from Thor and Transcend. Ironically transcend is now one of my strongest TR, as it is very hard to see why he would cc tracker as scum, then fake claim etc It really put the spotlight on him when he was under no suspicion.
So Me, Thor and Transcen are town.
I'll vote anyone else if need be. Think its bit unfair to lynch EP, but whatever.

[mozamis]

I'm confirming my IC status to the mod. Votes on Beefster or flashwagon thor.

ok not you then lol

[mozamis]

WHO SAID FLUBBER WAS TOWN

you called?

[mozamis]

ur probably gonna need to hard push on someone or im ust gonna lynch u

ur not soundin town anymore either

if money is scum ,es very good. i kinda doubt it. everytime he gets attacked, he sounds truthful.
I wonder if i have got Thor wrong. He has basically tunnleed Flubber most of the game?

[mozamis]

right good.
we have 1 confirmed PR and 2 other claims

@everyone: in your next post please confirm if you are VT or if you are counterclaiming one of the claimed PR's. Thank you

there's no point hiding this with 3 claims out in the open and this eliminates any future counter-claiming nonsense

i'm confirming VT
Beefster also claimed VT

vt

[mozamis]

Well, carp. That's a revolting development.
UNVOTE:

I would have cc'd long before now, if I were not VT.

so you scum with Thor and Hewho?
Funny if all scum were on the IC.

[mozamis]

There are less votes on Beefster than before I claimed IC, and no other viable wagon is popping up. There are three days before deadline. Get your shit together before today ends in a no lynch.

Thank you.

you oprefer Beef to Thor?

[mozamis]

2) you're not conf. town. Maybe you are town that just made a bad decision. But obviously the jury is still out.

But - if he's not the tracker, then certainly someone is gonna CC within the next 70h? Or not?

i made that post before i saw flubber claimed Ic.
It looks highly likely that Rc, Transcend are conf town.
I like the tex, hewho and thor scum team, it makes sense. certainly it explains why thor, clearly decent player has only tunnelled flubber all game - and has hardly interacted with anyone else. Mayb ethats too speculative.
Certainly i think theres a good chance i'll do a 180 and vote Tex.

[mozamis]

I'm not voting mozamis. Unless he has

widly

improved his scumgame as of recent, he's almost certainly town here. I've seen mozamis as scum before, and he simply

cannot

replicate his posting style as town.

Is there some reason we've all eliminated Beefster as a lynch today? Nothing about his reaction has changed my mind, and that's still where I'd like to lynch today. Absent the votes required I would switch to EP, but I'm still far more confident in scum Beefster.

Annoyingly this is true. Transcend can probably confirm this. My scum game is - to quote Noel Gallagher
"average at fucking best".

[mozamis]

Beefster..i dunno. His Moz or COA is weird, since i'm towning it up and COA hasnt done anyhting obv scummy. He could just be OMGUSing tho. Hes not my fav scum pick.

[mozamis]

I'd like to forward that question to moz as well.

yeah I'm probably gonna vote Tex, i can t see people voting Thor, though if my Hewho wagon picks up steam then i think were onto a winner.
You'll note HeWho's last post was another masterclass in equivocation. He seems to suggest COA, Me , Beef, Money. Makes no case on Coa, spends more time on me, but doesnt seem convinced, and nothing about beef or money at all.
Guy is making shit up. Naturally still no vote from him.

[mozamis]

Tex voting for Beef make sme even less happy about votin gfor Beef.
Tex and Hewho are both excellent choices.

[mozamis]

Lynch is between tex and beef now.

i dont mind tex, and beefs reads are so whack i guess hes an option, but could you get on Hewho? there are 3 votes on him already, so it could happen.

[mozamis]

Who hasn't confirmed VT?
Is it just Thor and Errant?

could just lynch this, max shows no interest in lynching anyone.

[mozamis]

Lynch is between tex and beef now.

i dont mind tex, and beefs reads are so whack i guess hes an option, but could you get on Hewho? there are 3 votes on him already, so it could happen.

sorry, wrong about that. but if you get behind Hewho, it could happen, sinc e you are IC.
Tex could be scum, but worried that both tex and Beef are lycnhbait.
Wheres Hewho is very likely to flip scum. Once agin his last post...it's breathtaking in it's obfuscation "scum on the wagons, or maybe the wagoneers themselves" I mean LOL, that doesnt exactly narrow it down.
Or Max.
Hewho swims or Max people! Lets actually lynch scum!

[mozamis]

Tex is absolutely a better lynch than HWS. At least HeWho is contributing and participating in discussion.

you have to vote to participate, guy still is doing nothing,his reads are so effing vague. he is doing nothing to advance the game state.

[mozamis]

Tex is absolutely a better lynch than HWS. At least HeWho is contributing and participating in discussion.

then you are up for lynching Max? he has done even less than Tex.

[mozamis]

hewho, Max, Thor, tex is my order.
my main worry is that tex plays like this as town.
I guess we can always lynch Tex and hope that Transcend shoots one of the other three.

[mozamis]

tho shooting Ep could be good as well to get rid of an unknown.

[mozamis]

so you up For Max then? He ha lurker more than Tex?
Exactly, you have spent nearly the whole day not giving out reads or thoughts, and have only just voted, only after i called you on it.

[mozamis]

screw it, i'm probably overthinking it.
VOTE: texcat

[mozamis]

good vote, can we finally do this?
obv i'll go back to tex if need be.
VOTE: hewhoswims

[mozamis]

@ MOD: -vc please

[mozamis]

VOTE: he who swims

These speedwagons don't make me happy but that I can see why they would happen

sweet vote
what worreis me about Thor is this "oh it could be a fake claim "stuff. Unless i've missed something, we havent had a cc/another claim, so it obv isn't fake.
it reminds me of how i've been as scum, that frustrated "why cant these townie see that THEORETICALLY it could be fake" etc etc when we all know that in PRACTICE no townie is gonna fake claim VT.
and LOL @ Max voting for Errant. Classic scum vote parking.
calling that Hewho, Thor max scum team.

[mozamis]

two clears are voting HWS and there's lots of resistance

Fine. I don't like it but I think a NL would be worse. We've had 3 solid wagons, one of which turned out to be town. We can't do a lot with the other 2 because we never got a flip. We need a flip to make sense of this "data" we've been collecting. If we NL we'll be back at square one tomorrow.

He's at L-2 right now. I'm not putting him at L-1 but I'll hammer if no one else is going to. Ultimately I'd rather not vote him at all cause I'm not convinced he's scum. But I'm not NLing and this is apparently what we're going with.

oh god this post is bad.
first para is just stating the obvious, and the second is vague shit.
good vig target?
Certainly if Hewho flips town i would shoot this.
You fed up with all advice yet Trancend?

[mozamis]

wow so cautious we are :O

Cause I'd rather lynch Tex. At least if Tex flipped scum you'd have a reason not to shoot me. I'm well aware I won't be going into tomorrow. I'm at least going to give HWS time to say whatever they want before they go out instead of setting up the hammer for someone else.

Dont you mean "if tex flips scum, thats great, we've caught scum!"
NOT "then thank god i might survive cos i'll get towncred"
shoot this please

[mozamis]

@ people voting tex - if hewho does flip town, then i'm calling that Tex,thor max scum team, and we'll get tex tomorrow. But get on Hewho today we need alynch.

[mozamis]

or money lol

[mozamis]

@ Kilck and COA - need you guys to step up now

[mozamis]

KILCK'S CONFIRMED TOWN!

[mozamis]

Intent to hammer. Any last words HWS?

TEX CONFIRMED TOWN!

[mozamis]

but seriously, do give him a chance for last words.

[mozamis]

twas a joke

[mozamis]

my bet would be thor and tex.
Thor spent almost the whole Day tunnelling flubber, and yet he was too active to be doing that, he's too good a player for that.
tex's hammer was unconvincing, she did no scum hunting all day.
I guess EP and Max are the lurker candidates?

RC mand Flubber, you're conf town, your preferences?

[mozamis]

whodio you track RC?

[mozamis]

lets get this going. I cant see how Thor can be town. How could a guy who was so active, and who in a way almost gave the impression of wanting to lead the town, spend the whole day tunnelling one player?

VOTE: thor

[mozamis]

yeah tex could be good, i guess i feel if we get thor we get the head, leaving the scum team completely demoralized. still scum is scum so guess it doesnt matter much.
what we probably should do is see if we can get flubber and Rc to agree on a candidate and go from there? it's the last day we'll have 2 conf town.

[mozamis]

I mean

TL on Beefy and he's talking which is good.

SL on Tex who's... not talking.

There could easily be one scum between those and if so I'd say it's tex every time, 90% of the time.

makes me think i could be wrong about tex?

[mozamis]

Oh, one more thing, I haven't read 50% of this game so caveats etc etc but I think RC is scum

surely this is a town slip?

[mozamis]

VOTE: Errantparabola

I'm tired, I'll write a case tomorrow

looking forward to it.
we should defintely keep max in mind. It always seems to be "Jam tomorrow" with Max.

[mozamis]

@Transcend - ::trombone sound for that shot choice::

@Moz - you're seriously going to call my vote on HWS a scum/scum interaction? Because that feels like some aggressive mental gymnastics.

@Flubber - yeah, I did focus on you all day, until you were IC and then I parked on and encouraged a scum vote....so...derp on you?

@RC - stop wasting time making fun of Transcend, the shot was bad, and I get the urge to mock him, but even one more post on that from you is active lurking.

VOTE: Errantparabola

Could also do Klick.

Not sure I see Tex.

you never pushed HWS at all. You pushed Flub all Day and then voted Hewho when Flub was revealed as conf town. Also, the fact that you desperately tried to push the idea that Flub might not be conf town was some scummy BS.
and why EP?
looks to me like EP is todays lynch bait.

[mozamis]

We should lynch klick or cult but that won't happen so I'm just gonna vig one.

[mozamis]

are we really letting mafia scapegoat lynch tex again (:

suggest sTex wasnt worried/isnt scum?

[mozamis]

i dont think beef (:

he gotto L-1 who was on his lynch
somone fetch that for me (:

beef town?

[mozamis]

my abilty to highlight is scrwed so sorry for multipl eposts

[mozamis]

1. RC
2. Moneybags
3. Trans
4. Moz
5. CoA
6. Flub

there's scum here
it's prob not rc, it's definitely not me and i'm pree sure not moz

therefore the options are moneybags/coa/flub

doesnt look good for Cult?

[mozamis]

and there might be more than one (:

personally i'm leaning

1. coa
2. money
3. flubber

[mozamis]

fuck you rc

i'm taking control

VOTE: coa

scum on the beefster lynch

not mozamis.

[mozamis]

klick was his other "top scum read" (p744), but he seemed was pushing Cult more.

[mozamis]

anyway, klick seems very town to me so no way i am voting him today.

[mozamis]

you never pushed HWS at all. You pushed Flub all Day and then voted Hewho when Flub was revealed as conf town.

Yes, yes I did do that.
Lots of people pushed Flub - it's why he claimed.
The question is, are you claiming my scum goal was to hard push a mislynch, and when I found out my first chosen target couldn't work, and I had a few options I was like 'meh, let's bus'.
Because that's what you're claiming my plan was.
Does that plan sound like a plan to you?

ah, answering the question by asking a question lol classic scum/politician response.
Yes, that is what you did. sorry it wasnt as good plan. in fairness to you, you got unlucky that Flub was IC and paniced and bussed.

[mozamis]

Vote: HeWhoSwims

I actually find it interesting all the shade I'm getting - seriously none of you have ever seen a fake IC claim before? I've seen it less than fake day vig, but I've seen it more than once.

@Flubber - don't make up meta when you're town.

this is you casting doubt on Flubbers claim. Also, note you give no reason for voting HeWho.

[mozamis]

and why EP?
looks to me like EP is todays lynch bait.

You've played enough to know that lynchbait is non-alignment telling, so why are you wasting my time with this point? How does it apply to EP and not tex? Yesterday was Flub and HWS also lynchbait?[/quote]

lol i'm sorry to "waste your time" by asking you to justify your scum read of EP.
Which you dont do, you just ask me another question!
maybe it does apply to tex, i dont know. obviously it just depends on who scum are setting for todays mislynch. My guess is that your going for EP. So why do you think he is scum?

problem you have which you cant avoid is that you are a decent ecpereienced player who spent almost the entire day tunnelling the same player. Where were your doubts, suspicions of other players?

[mozamis]

So your case is predicated on me having a bad plan you can't even describe?

Vote: Mozamis

lol you have not suspected me all game!
this is flailing lol
no, your plan was bad, you describe dit and i agreed with you.
my case on you is that you tunnelled one player nearly all of day 1 and didnt suspect anyone else, and didnt push Hewho AT ALL. Out of character for you, you are the sort of player who DOES push their reads, that was clear form your Flub push.
WHAT HAPPENED TO YUR EP VOTE WHICH YOU GAVE NO REASON FOR LOL

[mozamis]

And I did explain my vote when Moneybags asked me about it.

yes, your reason was you were "sheeping town who isn't arguing something that i think is unlikely".
then you have 5 posts until end of day when you never push Hewho. This seem sweird from someone who had pushed someone hard all game.

[mozamis]

thoor cast doubt on flub on 923 before mod confirme dit
anyway thor is scum can we lynch him befor ehe drowns the thread with his politico, scummy BS lol
you'll note how he is nto game solving in anway - niot poushing me, not pushing Ep. Just "legalistic" scum on the defensive "yeah but prove it moz, prove it, prove it" lol

[mozamis]

have we lynched thor yet?

[mozamis]

And I did explain my vote when Moneybags asked me about it.

yes, your reason was you were "sheeping town who isn't arguing something that i think is unlikely".
then you have 5 posts until end of day when you never push Hewho. This seem sweird from someone who had pushed someone hard all game.

That ignores this post also.
viewtopic.php?p=9898727#p9898727

Your case on me is also still apparently that I'm an utter idiot with no good plans.

that post you quote didnt give a case on Hewhosims so...more irrelevant stuff from you.
i've never said you are na idiot, my case on you is that you tunnelled on town day 1., and never pushed Hewho, and have never done any scum hunting - i don't count tunnelling flubber as hunting, it was vote parking. How could somoene who tunneled Flub so hard just then "sheep" and never push Hewho? That's not your style at all.
and then you kick of Day 2 with a lurker vote?!!! After we have had a scum flip, and 2 nk's, and whole load of other possibilities?
Youre not trying to find scum.

[mozamis]

Meh. Not feeling into reading in detail right now, but I saw a mozamis vote and I want in on that action.

VOTE: mozamis

come on man, you gotta have a reason. Thor hasn't given a cas me, he just OMGused me.

[mozamis]

god that catch up post from Cult was empty of reads.
Thinking Thor cult scum team?
Tex and Ep are lynch bait, and Beef may spur scum onto thinking they can get me. Although Cult is gonna have a hard time backtracking form her "Moz definitely town" read from Day 1.
I dont understand why people arent voting Thor - he's voted me, and then his next few posts are just questions that have nothing to do with me - or Ep - he's NOT SCUM HUNTING, hes not rying ot get anyone lynched.

[mozamis]

FTR, Thor is not getting town-cred for the HWS lynch.
He did not "create the situation", while there wasn't a guarantee HWS would be lynched, it was entirely plausible and his scumbuddies would of surely known that

absolutely. vote thor.