Open 705: Polygamist - Game Over

[Toranaga]

random lynch GOAT

also I'm lovers with someone I forgot which makes me lock town

also never lynching amrochora even if she is a wolf

[Toranaga]

sheepsaysmeep replaces jzhenson93

ah ok it was literally this guy

hi sheep

[Toranaga]

An argument that jzhenson and my slot are both town:

Scum loves to whine to the mod when one of their members straight up doesn't show up.

These fuckers didn't post a single thing in their PTs (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong Tora) for 3 fucking days and the mod still started the game.

Locktown.

VOTE: Lalendra

as good a PoE vote as any

neither of us wrote anything in our PT lol

taking your posts at face value as well and locking you as town this game

let's lynch someone that isn't the 4 of us

/in before the 4 of us is the mafia team

[Toranaga]

Yeah that's fair. I guess me claiming doesn't really benefit me or town, but scum claiming does, so it's best to set a precedent.

Yo I'm lovers with Amrororawrachurrochora. Your turn?

Also why not dice lynch?

I'm only now reading the game properly, and for some reason I thought you were lovers with pisskop just realised you're the replacement and lovers with amrochora.

I thought we should all claim, because then you can read one or both heads of a lover claim as scummy and that's where you wanna lynch.

[Toranaga]

An argument that jzhenson and my slot are both town:

Scum loves to whine to the mod when one of their members straight up doesn't show up.

These fuckers didn't post a single thing in their PTs (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong Tora) for 3 fucking days and the mod still started the game.

Locktown.

VOTE: Lalendra

as good a PoE vote as any

neither of us wrote anything in our PT lol

taking your posts at face value as well and locking you as town this game

let's lynch someone that isn't the 4 of us

/in before the 4 of us is the mafia team

Sup who we lynchin

IDK yet. claim your mason pair yo

[Toranaga]

*lover pair

I kinda like this game now lol

I expect it to be filled with replacements if it takes too long though

[Toranaga]

LOL

there's a good chance both amrochora and manrock forgot all about this game

it's too bad, I like playing with them

also I believe you too. game highly POE'd down already imo

[Toranaga]

i dont see claiming lovers hurting us

it really doesn't

[Toranaga]

If anyone doesn't believe me on the math side of things, I can write a script in Python (or any programming language that someone else here can verify) that simulates 100 games and shows the winrate.

I'm bored and I could use the programming exercise so Imma go do that now.

question

If we go down the math route can you guys let me make 100 posts this game regardless, so i can go into speakeasy?

1. Just make the posts with actually god damned content or post elsewhere. 100 posts in a game is easy.
2. Why the fuck do you want to join the speakeasy? It’s the shittiest part of the forum, filled with horrible drama political arguing, and just general shiftiness.

he is in it for the horrible drama

it's my fault even

[Toranaga]

I'm not suggesting that I be the one to roll the dice.

I'm suggesting sheep/Tora do it.

elite powerwolfing my friend

wish your lover was playing though

I haven't read anything but I think I'll be around tonight to do some solving and hopefully pick a wolf for us to lynch

[Toranaga]

hey ufo

hey zara

don't think our mutual friend is playing lol

I read one post in this page as wolfy, guess which

also off to bed be back tomorrow with solving things

[Toranaga]

in respect for math I'm gonna try to read the game and give thoughts and vote someone

[Toranaga]

do you have paypal

hahaha

sheep you're growing on me

[Toranaga]

vote: cytheflyguy

sheeping sheep

[Toranaga]

177 is tryhard, clearly scum

Seriously though I can't believe you did all that, I've never seen someone turn a tl;dr into its own wall, I'm almost in awe

I'm just letting math win at this point

if he is town yay us

[Toranaga]

I mean math is very likely town but even if he wasn't

[Toranaga]

@Everyone:

You know the post by post tl;dr I did of the longer posts in the game?

I want everyone to post a tl;dr of their lover PTs with every single post included. Even if your lover already did.

eh I mean, it's closed and neither me nor the guy who got replaced by sheep posted in it

[Toranaga]

MisaTange replaces Amrochora

RIP amrochora

hi misatange

[Toranaga]

Dino, you can’t go “I dont know how to scum hunt in this setup let’s just roll a dice” and then hand out town reads. You have said repeatedly that you don’t know how to scum hunt but you will give out town reads based on literally nothing.

When I posted I “lost points” but when sheep posted you literally didn’t care.

I accept that you may not know wtf to do but attempting to railroad town into dice rolling and now attempting to railroad town into sheepingnsheep - this and the prior thing reeks of hypocriticalness.

I’m concerned enough that I’m reversing my town read of you and I encourage other players to read the game and take their own view.

none of that is alignment indicative for dino. he doesn't know how to scumhunt because it's a lolsetup, but he is still seeing things he consider towntells and then he goes ahead and makes a read. if you see e.g. how he lock cleared our slot as 'literally nothing', then you don't understand where the read is coming from.

IDK how these things are basis for you to reverse your read on dino but maybe you're scum so it would make sense to start casting shade on him. what do you think of cy?

[Toranaga]

Manrock: hey Ill hit 100 posts
Me: this setup seems interesting should we claim lovers or not

Btw what if kop did not see those posts

lol

btw redflavor is locktown

[Toranaga]

in my lovers pt, llama does his intro

then kop posts hi

then bf posts hi

then bf asks if kop has any setup based advice and stratagies

bf is confused on how to play due to the lover mechanics so he says that his overall voting strat will mirror kop's

kop never responds

LF closes pt

we didn't speak in our lovers topic

Omg i was going to vote with you lover but holy shit lynch this
Good catch MD
VOTE: momo

oh my god lol

[Toranaga]

I'm lightly suggesting that momo got his tl;dr from the same place that Diamond/Sky got their summary of their PT.

'I can't scum hunt in this game'
finds all the scum d1

[Toranaga]

vote: momo

[Toranaga]

Problem is scumslips almost never actually happen and I didn't expect a situation as blatant as this.

Scumslips never happen! I didn't scumslip...kop fd up....I stand by what I said...however, my lynch is seeming likely here, as i go out, I warn town to be careful tomorrow because we will be in lylo, trust nobody, don't sheep anyone, and don't let anyone lead the town

you're wolfy tho

[Toranaga]

in my lovers pt, llama does his intro

then kop posts hi

then bf posts hi

then bf asks if kop has any setup based advice and stratagies

bf is confused on how to play due to the lover mechanics so he says that his overall voting strat will mirror kop's

kop never responds

LF closes pt

actually, ok

unvote

[Toranaga]

I don't think momo lies about this without coordinating first

it's probably kop never picking up on stuff that happened on PT or misremembering when he said they never spoke

I think I'm buying this

[Toranaga]

I think the things kop has said makes sense with kop never opening the goddamn mason thread, while momo actually did. also I think it's fairly intricate thing to lie about and the fact that kop is yet to come here and explain makes it even more likely momo was just telling the truth

IDT 'fucking up a scumplan' is a fairer possibility than momo being honest and kop being a little careless when talking about that kind of stuff

so yeah I think they're town. actually I think momo has 'towntold' significantly to the point of never lynching in this game.

I have them, redflavor hydra with manrock, and then probably your hydra with misa as locktown

scum is cy;lalendra and sky;diamond probably

[Toranaga]

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:16 am

I wasn't around Saturday tea time onwards and didn't sign back on till well after the topic was closed.

can we agree this game is broken?

[Toranaga]

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:16 am

I wasn't around Saturday tea time onwards and didn't sign back on till well after the topic was closed.

can we agree this game is broken?

In what sense?

I think you just cleared yourself with timestamps

[Toranaga]

vote: cytheflyguy

[Toranaga]

Mathblade replaces MisaTange

lol this game

guys can we just lynch cy or something already

hi mathblade

[Toranaga]

"Tora: sheep is my lover, I'll sheep sheep *votes cytheflyguy*"

that was literally my entire contribution to this game

OTOH I'm pretty confident on my townleands and think this is over ever since at least 2 lover pairs became obvious town

[Toranaga]

wait tor
what do you think of 453

yeah they're wolves man

I mean we didn't need all these pages really

do you wanna change to either or something

[Toranaga]

Which ones other than yours?

Also read sheep's 253.

sheep, stop pagetopping, it hides the pagebottom content. I've often missed what you're even posting.

you guys, redflavor hydra and I think momo hydra

different layers of towntells

[Toranaga]

I can't believe this is all I'm playing rn

[Toranaga]

i mean honestly i thought "hating arbitrary lynch" was lowkey a scumtell but then my partner did it
so fuck me right

lol fuck you sideways

idk still think it's cy;lalenda and sky;theother dude

also I'm pretty drunk rn, I don't use to drink so when I do I get wasted

[Toranaga]

i mean honestly i thought "hating arbitrary lynch" was lowkey a scumtell but then my partner did it
so fuck me right

lol fuck you sideways

idk still think it's cy;lalenda and sky;theother dude

also I'm pretty drunk rn, I don't use to drink so when I do I get wasted

go join another open game, this is basically not even a real game

i'd be so depressed if this was the only game i was playing

my open is queuing up once Masons and Monks hammers

and yeah that's our theory too so yeah

what do you think of kop/momo/red/manrock?

I believe redflavour's description of their mason thread because I 'know' manrock and the things redflavour said match with how I think manrock would act in the mason thread.

I believe kop;momo for much thinner reasons, but I think the timestamp mentions, while fakeable, are pretty sound reason to believe they're town

[Toranaga]

intent to hammer

[Toranaga]

the fuck is that L-1, sheep
that reaction test is so useless in this environment

someone actually put them at L-1, they and cy/Lalendra have both given no indication in terms of "who should we lynch tomorrow"

if they're town, it's important to my personal strategy that they tell me things i can trust later

lol I believed it

[Toranaga]

Vote Count

cytheflyguy (4) - Mathblade, Mathdino, RedFlavor, Toranaga
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy
RedFlavor (1) - momo

Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)

The only differences are sheep Toranaga and cytheflyguy.

Cy obviously will never vote for himself.

Sheep would vote Toranaga but not cy. Need to see if sheep supports that being at the start of the wagon.

Toranaga is voting cy but not Diamond. Need to see if Toranaga justifies that.

Back to bed for me.

lel math I'm lovers with sheep, he won't vote me I don't think

I can vote anyone that isn't your hydra, momo's, or redflavour's. think I made that super clear already

[Toranaga]

VOTE: tor

yes i will

OH MY GOD U SUCK

[Toranaga]

I can vote anyone that isn't your hydra, momo's, or redflavour's. think I made that super clear already

Then you've fully 100% PoE'd the game.

So what's the scumteam if:

1. Diamond/Sky flip town

2. cy/Lalendra flip town

Edit: what the hell

I haven't really thought it through, but it doesn't feel like your team is wolfing with either and I'd still clear redflavor on his description of the convo with manrock. so it would have to be momo pair, which I still find highly unlikely based off timestamps given etc.

basically to me it's just these 4 since ~forever

[Toranaga]

Also both of you need to link your meta's. Specifically scumgames.

I have one scumgame here, coincidentally on a team with sheep in a 9er newbie. I'm hardcoreUFO on MU and POG, and I'm dangerous and awesome.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: tor

yes i will

VOTE: dia
tor can you put this at l=1

How does this progression make sense

scumreading to buddying

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

ok mathblade2

[Toranaga]

@sheep
@Tora
@Red

Questions for all of you.

1. Did you agree/understand when I presented the random lynch idea that it statistically benefits town?

I actually think it works greatly as a reaction test because it puts scum on a very awkward position. ultimately I'd choose to play mafia instead.

2. If you were scum, would you go with an idea that produces a 40% winrate for you?

I might not give a fuck as scum in a game like this to be quite honest with you.

3. Did you at the beginning of the game believe that the rest of the town might agree to a random lynch?

my only thought when I understood the setup was that it was an awful setup lol.

For RedFlavor:
4. In 165, when you said I should roll the dice, did you understand that I was suggesting sheep roll the dice?

Edit: Read RedFlavor's ISO. I'm not sure it's consistent with sheep!scum.

.

[Toranaga]

Also, potential townslips are only not townslips if scum would intentionally do them to make it seem like a townslip. My first scumgame I pretended to not realise daytalk wasn't a thing and got locked as town. I can never do that again. (Hilariously, it was multiball and I just got shot by the other team anyway)

@Tora

: While you're here, respond to my questions and also explain your townread on Red/manrock. I need reconvincing.

I mean it's literally this post:

Manrock: hey Ill hit 100 posts
Me: this setup seems interesting should we claim lovers or not

Btw what if kop did not see those posts

but hm. come to think of it it sounds a little fake. I can't see town!redflavor saying anything looks interesting lol

[Toranaga]

Welp, if I die here, I'm gonna assume it's auto-lose for town. I've seen nothing to the contrary to suggest that the town isn't going to let scum lead them straight off a cliff.

wait lol this is scum
town would be more interested in last words and directing tomorrow's lynch
but anyway

@Tora:

1. So you only semi-agreed to it ("random lynch GOAT") as a reaction test? Did you intend to lynch cytheflyguy when you sheeped sheep? Also did you even believe I believed it

well random lynching is a >rand town win so I didn't mind us doing. I think by the time I voted cy I already had some sort of POE in my head and I was letting that lynch go through. I thought you believed it sure.

2. I don't know what not giving a fuck as scum entails. Like not caring if we random lynch?

yeah look, I joined this to play with amrochora. if she was playing and I was scum, I'd absolutely play it out with effort to win. otherwise I think...
yeah I'd probably just agree with random lynching and then say i'm townreading whoever scum is so we could lynch somewhere else. but I wouldn't put any effort to it, I'm barely making anything as town already and I love playing town.

3. I meant on the 2nd page, not the beginning, sorry. Did you, after I suggested the random lynch idea, think town might actually agree to it?

oh yeah it was really sound, I see no reason not to go through other than having a strong scumread or, ofc, being the one to get lynched. I wouldn't let myself get lynched over it that's for sure...

Lord do I agree this is an awful setup.

that's probably why amrochora bounced...

Edit: no sheep fuck you please answer in complete sentences or you're getting lynched one of these days

[Toranaga]

STOP SPAMPOSTING

and i'm ignoring punctuation, but don't even respond to this post honestly

Edit:

@Mod, request action spamposts e.g. "pagetop".

MODKILL SHEEP

wait

[Toranaga]

my response doesnt look good for me lol

just send him that hydra game so he can see how scummy your posting is as scum

[Toranaga]

getting deathtunneled for days by jean was an experience.

[Toranaga]

request replacement

it's only fair at this point

why

dude this game is probably ending when we lynch someone lol

[Toranaga]

nvm

i think i can flake until game end

don't want some asshole replacing you

[Toranaga]

DiamondSentinel (4) - sheepsaysmeep, cytheflyguy, Mathblade, RedFlavor
cytheflyguy (3) - Toranaga, Sky_Paladin, Mathdino

Sad!

even wagonomics agree cy is a better lynch imo

[Toranaga]

redflavor is on diamond which makes 4 different lover pair possibilities on DS

IDT bussing in this game works

[Toranaga]

Id be okay with lynching math or mop/sheep (Im not sure about latter but im leaning on sheep scum)

this is scum fwiw

[Toranaga]

it's cy;lalendra with redflavor;hyung

redflavor just made it painfully obvious

[Toranaga]

gg everyone

gj village

thank you so much for ending this game already

good to know I eventually figured out it wasn't the sky hydra, but the redflavour hydra who was wolfing with cy

thanks llama for modding!

set fire into this setup, it's not fun at all

lol @ people trying

mathdino you have my respect

[Toranaga]

gg everyone

gj village

thank you so much for ending this game already

good to know I eventually figured out it wasn't the sky hydra, but the redflavour hydra who was wolfing with cy

thanks llama for modding!

set fire into this setup, it's not fun at all

lol @ people trying

mathdino you have my respect

hydra = lover pair

it's late head doesn't work

[Toranaga]

it's cy;lalendra with redflavor;hyung

redflavor just made it painfully obvious

toraGOAT

not that this game mattered