Mini 1974: Pokemon Sapphire Mafia [Game over]

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Kaede Akamatsu

Because I'll probably get you confused with Kokichi Oma at some point, so might as well lynch one of you.

[Luca Blight]

Theyre nothing alike

Lies.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wisdom

[Luca Blight]

Aren't they characters from the same series?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Smocaine

His avatar makes me want to smoke, and I don't even smoke.

[Luca Blight]

Reason being?

[Luca Blight]

forced and overly-justifyied RVS votes when we aren't in RVS? it's more likely than you think.
VOTE: Luca

1) I have just entered the game, therefore I'd say it's fair I'm allowed a bit of RVS fun like everyone else.

2) How is it overly-justified? I was asked a direct question and answered it.

[Luca Blight]

2) How is it overly-justified? I was asked a direct question and answered it.

referring to the justification within the vote-posts, not the conversations.

The 'justification' you speak of was merely RVS fun. I always give joke reasons for RVS votes, as do most people. Do you expect all RVS votes to be naked or something?

fair enough on the first point, but why do you need three RVS posts instead of commentary on what's transpired so far?

I've only skimmed the thread so far as I'm busy looking after my son, hence the surface-level shit so far. I'll catch-up properly later.

[Luca Blight]

Your posts have hardly been awe-inspiring.

[Luca Blight]

Also not sure exactly what you can say is 'bad' about the second post - it was a pretty standard response to an accusation.

Perhaps you could shed some light?

[Luca Blight]

A very laconic entry into the game, Creature.

Do you mind explaining your vote on me and who your townreads are?

[Luca Blight]

what makes luv caught scum, kaede?

Gut feeling.

This is a cop-out. There must be some intelligible reason to have such a clear scumread.

You know what, whatever, if Wisdom decided to devolve back to the days of him tunneling town me, im not even gonna bother anymore because he's certain to just continue tunneling me until i end up replacing out of frustration, which is a thing i dont want to do ever again.

(And yes this is me saying that Wis is probably town)

This feels a bit desperate to me, as if she is pleading. Why is Wisdom probably town?

why am i not scum "tunneling" you?

Gut feeling.
Plus I doubt scum you would tunnel me anyways because you know how I react when tunneled and that would be bad for whatever scum team you'd have.

You must have eaten a dodgy curry for all the gut feelings you're getting.

Also, Wisdom isn't tunelling on her here - even if this was a valid reason to townread him, it's premature and now void.

This is basically me saying that me being town = wisdom is never scum.

That was easy... I was already expecting my life to be forfeit.
Not sure if I should feel insulted that you just called me shallow or relieved that you correctly read me and ended your tunnel.

More desperation.

So we went from a nice wagon to spread out votes...
Come on guys!

Maybe if you'd explain why LUV is scum I might be more inclined to vote him?

VOTE: Aeronaut

????

And you guys are letting this get away?

What's wrong with this?


UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kaede

[Luca Blight]

I can see Kaede being scum here.

Hi Smocaine. Why do you think Kaede is scum?

This is weird. Perhaps you could divulge your own reasons for scumreading Kaede?

Also, can you answer my question in 131 and explain why you are on my wagon.

I sort of can guess who is Kaede's old main.

Can you answer my question in 134.

[Luca Blight]

Pushing wagons finds scum

Pushing wagons at random is statistically more likely to find Town, I think you'll find.

You seem to be going along with popular opinion and are doing a good job at making yourself unreadable. Can you give some reads so we know where you're at?

[Luca Blight]

This is weird. Perhaps you could divulge your own reasons for scumreading Kaede?

Read above

Why are you dodging my question? I mean, you actually edited it out of the quote.

[Luca Blight]

Also, can you answer my question in 131 and explain why you are on my wagon.

Your posts seem very forced, I'm clearly not the only one seeing it as people voted you after I did.

The posts you're referring to were RVS posts - this is just NAI for me because I do the same every game. Check if you like.

You also called my 124 'bad' but are yet to explain this - what is bad about this post?

It feels like you're voting me based on RVS but are then not reconsidering your read based on actual gameplay.

[Luca Blight]

Oh yeah, i actually liked Aero's prodding of Wisdom, dunno why people dislike it, hence why I disliked LUV's vote on Aero. Like are people blind this game or something.

Scum presumably have to 'prod' someone at some point. What particularly makes you say Aero's prodding of Wisdom makes him probtown?

Nah he's prob town.
I was also surprised in how easy Wisdom let go off me and said as much, I dont see any issue with Aeronaut pressuring Wisdom about it.

Perhaps if you weren't so premature with your tunnelling comment then you might have been able to attain a clearer read on him...

[Luca Blight]

Nah he's prob town.
I was also surprised in how easy Wisdom let go off me and said as much, I dont see any issue with Aeronaut pressuring Wisdom about it.

I still don't understand what about Aero's prodding of Wisdom makes him Town?

[Luca Blight]

Misquote.

[Luca Blight]

Was there any reason you never addressed my 135?

[Luca Blight]

I was asking why you never even acknowledged a case made against you.

And as I said, I don't buy the whole 'gut' thing to justify a clear scumread. How can you expect others to follow you onto the wagon when you can't even explain your read?

[Luca Blight]

You have some nerve calling my case 'lame' when you seem incapable of making one for someone who is apparently 'obvscum'.

To me, if you have a clear scumread but are going to justify it entirely by saying 'gut' then it feels fabricated to me. Either that or Town who is too lazy to properly explain themselves.

If you're scum you don't need a masterplan to get mislynches, you just have to avoid being lynched yourself, and looking purposeful is a great way to do that.

[Luca Blight]

Actually reading the last page and a half, I retract the semi scum read I had on Kaede.

Getting replies from you is like pulling teeth.

Can you respond to my 243?

[Luca Blight]

@Wisdom:

can you clear up why you stopped tunneling Kaede.

@Kaede:

has Kokichi's reversal on her meta read of you affected your read on him?

@Kokichi

: You still haven't answered my 243...

[Luca Blight]

I know, I was just continuing the term she was using.

Why did you no longer pursue Kaede, and how do you currently read her?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kokichi

1) For repeatedly dodging questions.

2) For generally not doing a lot.

3) For sitting on her vote on me based on RVS posts and showing no inclination to either reconsider her read or follow-up on it.

4) Her wishy-washy stance on Kaede.

[Luca Blight]

Creature wasn't even a lynch option until a few hours ago, and there's still 12 RL days left until deadline, so that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

Since when was Kaede not a lynch option any more?

[Luca Blight]

Not interested on a Luca wagon anymore.

UNVOTE:

I would ask why you're no longer interested in my wagon, but you never actually answered why you were on it in the first place.

Can you explain your read progression here please, and enlighten us as to the identity of your townreads you mentioned earlier.

[Luca Blight]

I won't do Kaede either.

Why not?

For anyone

What do you think about Kokichi?

What do you think about him?

[Luca Blight]

It felt like you joined my wagon when it was the popular thing to do, and then were no longer interested in my wagon when that was the popular opinion.

I also find it odd how you're ignoring the wagon on you and particularly Cheet's suspicions.

I still don't like Kokichi but I'm happy lynching this.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Creature

You also still haven't said who the two players you townread earlier were.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Luca

You were already voting me, but thanks for that.

It felt like you joined my wagon when it was the popular thing to do, and then were no longer interested in my wagon when that was the popular opinion.

I joined your wagon after I missed two other wagons.

Then I left your wagon when you were still the top wagon.

So no, I'm not just following popular opinions.

You literally just echoed what Wisdom said.

Perhaps you can explain exactly why you townread me, so I know you're not blindly sheeping?

[Luca Blight]

I also find it odd how you're ignoring the wagon on you and particularly Cheet's suspicions.

Like I should panic whenever a wagon appears on me...

Also, Cheet never explained his scumread on me.

I'm not saying you should panic, but you should be curious at the very least.

[Luca Blight]

How about those mysterious early townreads of yours? You keep brushing them under the carpet.

[Luca Blight]

Creature is cornered, and then Not_Mafia appears with these posts:

I'm still grieving for the loss of the LUV wagon

VOTE: Luca

No mention of Creature at all, and in both posts he's encouraging the lynching of someone else. What does his comment regarding LUV achieve here, given Not_Mafia isn't even voting him? Why does he vote me when he was already voting me? Why is he even scumreading me?

Interesting stuff if Creature flips red.

[Luca Blight]

You don't seem to find much interesting, judging by your contributions this game.

Thoughts on Creature?

[Luca Blight]

Creature is cornered

Sure, I am cornered by a wagon that hasn't provided any reasons other than "not reacted immediatelly to wagon"

You can be as dismissive as you like, you've done nothing to make me think you're Town this game and my vote is staying where it is.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kokichi

1) For repeatedly dodging questions.

2) For generally not doing a lot.

3) For sitting on her vote on me based on RVS posts and showing no inclination to either reconsider her read or follow-up on it.

4) Her wishy-washy stance on Kaede.

1.) What answer did I dodge? I answered all your questions. Your posts were forced. You say they were "RVS" but in that point of the game, it was clearly moving out of RVS and you were trying to push us back into it.

2.) I've given 2 scumreads (one which I retracted already) And I've answered questions, so how am I not doing anything?

3.) I don't care if you call it RVS, obviously 3+ other people scumread you as well, yet you are still only focused on me. When I gave my reasons for scumreading you, and other had not. Which makes me think you're just jumping on me since you see 2 other people voting me. You haven't been questioning others.

4.) Wishy washy? I said I could

see

why people were scumreading her based on meta, and then I asked why Smocaine just voted her right away after I said that. It wasn't a strong scumread or I would have voted her. I was still trying to sort her, which is why I asked Smocaine the reason for the vote. Then, after their interactions which seemed genuine, I retracted the semi scumread on them. It is clear progression, and you calling it "wishy-washy" is just throwing shade.

1) You repeatedly ignored my 243 and subsequent calls for you to answer it. It's happened so often now I can only assume it must be a deliberate act on your part. I wasn't trying to pull us back into RVS - I had literally just entered the game (I'm in a different time zone to most and 5 pages racked up while I was asleep) and I opened how I always open - by making a jokey RVS post. If you don't like it you could simply ignore it.

2) You changed what I said from 'not doing a lot' to 'not doing anything'. I haven't seen much purpose from you in this game, although this applies to a few others as well.

3) No I didn't only focus on you - I answered every who challenged me directly. I focused on you more later as you keep avoiding my questions. I haven't been questioning others? Have you even been reading the thread? You were also sitting on your read which by then was outdated (it was based on RVS and I had since made many non-RVS posts) without either following-up/pushing your scumread or reconsidering it as others have done.

4) You never explained any of this. It looks like you wanted to dip your toes into the water, and when it was too cold you quickly pulled them back out again. None of it seemed genuine to me.

[Luca Blight]

i hate luca's overexplanative and questioning everything playstyle, it reminds me of 2012 me

but its nai

I guess the

cool

way to play Mafia in 2017 is to be completely indifferent to everything like Not_Mafia.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Just realized something. It seems LUV, Luca, Kaede, Creature all had wagons that filled up pretty fast right away. What do you all make of this?

This is Kokichi inventing a reason to unvote when he realises his vote against me is groundless.

[Luca Blight]

Did you unvote Luca because you aren't scumreading him anymore, or because you don't like how quickly the wagon formed?

I still scumread him, I just feel everyone is too vote happy right now.

BS. How does unvoting a scumread (who isn't even under any pressure currently) help anything?

You realised you couldn't justify maintaining your position so you fabricated a way out of it.

[Luca Blight]

I don't think anyone needs a reason to not vote you

They do when they're maintaining a scumread on me.

[Luca Blight]

So as scum you would be perfectly comfortable saying

'I still scumread this player but I'm going to unvote for no reason at all'

.

Actually, you probably would.

[Luca Blight]

I know that's not what's happening. That's the point.

[Luca Blight]

I don't think

you

get the point.

[Luca Blight]

The point is Kokichi says she still scumreads me but made a BS excuse to unvote as she knows she can't justify her read.

No_Mafia makes the point that you don't need a reason to unvote someone, but this obviously isn't true in this case because it would look conspicuous as f*ck if someone just unvoted a scumread for no apparent reason and without targeting anyone else in their place.

[Luca Blight]

The point is Kokichi says she still scumreads me but made a BS excuse to unvote as she knows she can't justify her read.

No_Mafia makes the point that you don't need a reason to unvote someone, but this obviously isn't true in this case because it would look conspicuous as f*ck if someone just unvoted a scumread for no apparent reason and without targeting anyone else in their place.

It’s easy to justify a scumread on you

Go on then.

[Luca Blight]

I thought pushing wagons finds scum?

[Luca Blight]

I see this as either scum being unwilling to vote a scumbuddy, or scum wanting to get towncred by avoiding the lynchbait wagon. I can't see any town motivation behind this behaviour and it's completely out of character with how he's played this game.

Anyone up for a Not_Mafia wagon?

[Luca Blight]

Vote Creature then.

[Luca Blight]

Yup, I'm that obvious

You didn't intend to be obvious - you subtly tried to direct the attention to first Uzi and then myself.

You then made a very awkward-looking justification for not voting Creature which not only makes little sense but is out of character with your usual wagon-happy self.

[Luca Blight]

Yup, I'm that obvious

You didn't intend to be obvious - you subtly tried to direct the attention to first Uzi and then myself.

You then made a very awkward-looking justification for not voting Creature which not only makes little sense but is out of character with your usual wagon-happy self.

There was no Creature wagon when Uzi was wagoned they're impossible to be related

I was referring to this:

I'm still grieving for the loss of the LUV wagon

[Luca Blight]

I see it as an attempt to divert attention elsewhere, yes.

[Luca Blight]

You've changed your tune.

[Luca Blight]

Explain the other 5% to me.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Luca Blight]

I'd rather lynch the guy who was reluctant as f*ck to lynch Creature for no apparent reason, before suddenly being overly-keen to lynch him when it was a forgone conclusion.

[Luca Blight]

He wasn't obviously defending him. That's what pinged me so hard when I initially saw it.

[Luca Blight]

Not_Mafia is exaggerating the exaggeration.

Spoiler: Reluctance to vote Creature

I don’t feel like voting creature, why should that be my default state right now?

Nothing has jumped out at me that made we want vote Creature

Spoiler: Sudden enthusiasm to lynch Creature

VOTE: Creature

L-1

CLAIM ME UP INSIDE

Someone threaten to hammer

[Luca Blight]

I'll just stop derping around, Cheet is right this is 95% Creature's scum game.
VOTE: Creature

I'm wondering why it took Kaede so long to join the wagon when she was so sure this was Creature's scum game.

[Luca Blight]

I'll vote him if someone puts him to L-2

What was stopping you voting him before he was L-2? What difference does it make?

[Luca Blight]

Am I the only one who's felt like Luca's been setting up n_m off of Creature's lynch since the moment he voted Creature?
:/

I found it scummy regardless of Creature's flip as I mentioned before. The fact Creature flipped scum only cements my read on Not_Mafia.

The guy was the most wagon-happy player in the game until the Creature wagon came up, and had no valid reason for his sudden change in behaviour.

Luca where are you at on Aeronaut/LUV?

I don't have a particularly clear read on either of them right now.

[Luca Blight]

Kaede, you're missing the point.

I'm not scumreading Not_Mafia for his apparently NAI wagon-happy behaviour. I'm scumreading him because of his uncharacteristic reluctance to wagon Creature, who just so happened to be scum.

[Luca Blight]

I'll just stop derping around, Cheet is right this is 95% Creature's scum game.
VOTE: Creature

I'm wondering why it took Kaede so long to join the wagon when she was so sure this was Creature's scum game.

And any response to this?

[Luca Blight]

Kaede, I'm aware all that tomfoolery occurred, but you still could have voted Creature before I asked you to (when you refused to wagon Not-Mafia).

Given you were 95% sure Creature was scum your behaviour makes little sense to me there. I was less sure of him being scum as he seemed like lynch-bait to me, but if I was that sure I would be too excited to keep off the wagon for sake of a bit of banter.

[Luca Blight]

How did Kokichi improve?

[Luca Blight]

And Kaede, do you have nothing to say to this?

Kaede, you're missing the point.

I'm not scumreading Not_Mafia for his apparently NAI wagon-happy behaviour.

I'm scumreading him because of his uncharacteristic reluctance to wagon Creature, who just so happened to be scum.

[Luca Blight]

I'm not seeing it.
You're awfully pushy today arent you.

You're not seeing that he was reluctant to vote Creature?

[Luca Blight]

Here you go.

Not_Mafia is exaggerating the exaggeration.

Spoiler: Reluctance to vote Creature

I don’t feel like voting creature, why should that be my default state right now?

Nothing has jumped out at me that made we want vote Creature

Spoiler: Sudden enthusiasm to lynch Creature

VOTE: Creature

L-1

CLAIM ME UP INSIDE

Someone threaten to hammer

[Luca Blight]

Tell me why Uzi is a better lynch today.

[Luca Blight]

Some fair points. I'm game.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Uzi

[Luca Blight]

Cheet, how would you expect Uzi to play as Town?

From the little I've seen of him he seems to have a laid-back kind of playstyle regardless.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Not_Mafia

@Cheet

- Just wondering what prompted this change and how you're reading Uzi now?

[Luca Blight]

Cheet, still wondering about this:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Not_Mafia

@Cheet

- Just wondering what prompted this change and how you're reading Uzi now?

[Luca Blight]

Ok, let's watch this "scum" perform a double bus then
VOTE: NM

This pinged me pretty hard, given Not_Mafia flipped green.

It's as if she voted him just to appease Aero.

[Luca Blight]

Random sad face...

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Hammering without a claim, pretty bad.

It's d2, it's a little early to speculate bussing. Scum is more likely to have saidlittle or. ext to nothing about Creature.

Given his position on the Creature wagon, this pinged me a bit. There is no reason to think scum would have said little or nothing on Creature or that they wouldn't have bussed. I actually think there was a strong likelihood of bussing on Creature due to how little resistance there was to his lynch.

Defending obvscum Creature is also dumb from a scum perspective.

Light-defends Not_Mafia here, which doesn't correlate with his quickhammer.

[Luca Blight]

Not really.

What was your read on Not_Mafia?

[Luca Blight]

Cheet, how are you reading Kaede?

[Luca Blight]

What is the motivation for townSmocaine to lolhammer there?

[Luca Blight]

Who's scum?

[Luca Blight]

Damn, was just about to make a prod-dodge.

Having IP related issues and generally busy atm but will catch-up in a few hours.

[Luca Blight]

My time is limited but I'll try and catch-up a bit.

Hi. I don't really have time to talk. I'm A JOAT. With only 2 shots. I used a doc on cheet n1 and I checked Marquis n2 cause I thought Luca was the mason. I kinda softed with the Marquis death.

My immediate thought upon seeing this was

'BS'

, but my thoughts ultimately align with Cheet's in 717 and Chara's in 719 - scum, with day chat, surely wouldn't come up with something that looks so obviously bad. Given this also apparently matches Kokichi's town meta, I'm willing to give this a pass for today.

i don't find Kokichi's post scummy. it's, at most, awkward. Kokichi town regularly makes awkward posts. home soon.

why do we always assume more scum bussed than did not?

Starting to townread Chara off of these posts and the ones that follow. The approach to the Kokichi situation is fair and balanced. The second point is also fair and highlights those not on Creature's wagon - Chara being one of them.

I think Smocaine is mafia. I've hydra'd with him, he's not this reckless

What would you expect to see from TownSmocaine?

Prod received. Totally forgot about this game.

I’ll get to this soon.

It always makes me wonder when I see posts such as this - how is it possible to forget about a game? It automatically goes to the top of your topics every time a post is made.

My paranoia is fueled here by the fact I've seen scum make similar posts at least twice recently that I can recall.

from Creature's ISO: Luca is town (he was already), and Kokichi looks less likely as scum. Kaede a little more likely. but i'm not putting too much stock into these as Creature was being run up and knew it.

Kokichi Oma
Lil Uzi Vert
Aeronaut
Kaede Akamatsu

i don't see myself lynching anyone not on this list.

This is a fair list, although I'd personally take out Aero and Kokichi for today and put in Smocaine.

Ok so Chara made kind of a good point about the fact that Kokichi could have innoed anyone as town

UNVOTE:

but what doesn't make sense is that chara still wants to lynch Kokichi?


P-edit Besides the post where you say he's on your lynch list, you have zero posts where you say he could be scum.

I've generally liked Aero this game, but I'm wondering why he can't see the town motivation behind this stance.

[Luca Blight]

Aero, still think Cheetory6 wouldn't bus Creature here?

You've been buddying Cheet most of the game, and then early D2 said you didn't want to consider the possibility of bussing on D1.

Why are you now trying to plant this thought and what is it based on?

[Luca Blight]

wait, why?

Smocaine/Aero feels plausible to me.
Especially with ^^^^

You been prepping me all day to be lynched on the off chance Aero or Koki flip town.

Cheet was the one who defended you earlier in posts such as 592, 605, 608 etc, so this makes little sense.

[Luca Blight]

Like, seriously, you picked such a shit person to 1v1 with as scum here. You literally never win this ever.

You're right, I would never win a 1v1 with you if I were scum. I'd just wait until tonight to kill you instead, like a normal person. But I don't have that option.

I like this. I feel Cheet v Aero is likely TvT here.

Aero's attack on Cheet feels genuine, as does his complete reversal on his Smocaine read despite being under pressure. Cheet has felt town to me throughout.

[Luca Blight]

My lynch pool for today:

Uzi
Kaede
Smocaine

LaserGuy is an interesting one for me. I'm probably one of the few who have a completed game with him, and while this game has similarities to TownLaser in that particular game, he was a lot more analytical in his approach. In this game he is asking a lot of good questions, but in the other game he would make a thorough analysis based on the information those questions produced, which I am yet to see him do this game.

why do we always assume more scum bussed than did not?

Starting to townread Chara off of these posts and the ones that follow. The approach to the Kokichi situation is fair and balanced.

The second point is also fair and highlights those not on Creature's wagon

- Chara being one of them.

It's d2, it's a little early to speculate bussing. Scum is more likely to have said little or next to nothing about Creature.

Is there a difference between these two points? Because you didn't like this sentiment d2 and are still scumreading me, but it's a perfectly valid point when Chara makes it the day after we mislynch on the wagon.

Yes - Chara is asking a valid question as there is nothing to say scum bussed or did not bus for certain; it's pure speculation either way. You made the point that scum likely said nothing about Creature, which is baseless.

I liked the point more from Chara as she was one of those not on the wagon - therefore it feels genuine as it's not motivated by self-preservation. Your point that we shouldn't speculate bussing is not only anti-town as Aero pointed out, it also makes me question the motivation behind it when it comes from someone who was on his wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Simply put, I townread most others in the game over you, and your votes on both lynches don't sit well with me. I'm not basing my lynch pool on who the likely scumteam may be, I'm basing it on the three most scummy players alive, and therefore the three most likely to flip scum. Once we catch the second scum,

then

we can evaluate who the most likely partner is.

The reason I haven't voted you is again, simply because I've scumread players more than you this game. Creature was overtly scummy on D1, and Not_Mafia seemed the most likely to be his partner based on the evidence available. Furthermore, my vote on you wasn't RVS; it was on page six and was accompanied by a case.

I've just browsed through your ISO and you haven't mentioned Smocaine all game apart from that lynch pool. Why is that and what are your exact feelings/thoughts about him?

[Luca Blight]

Uzi's been consistently scumreading Aero throughout so I don't see how that's opportunistic at all.

Your vote, however, does feel opportunistic to me.

VOTE: Kaede

[Luca Blight]

I also don't get why you deliberately ignored my question.

[Luca Blight]

Your vote, however, does feel opportunistic to me.

Yeah, totally 1 vote on LUV is totally opportunistic.

Your reasoning is BS.

You wanted an excuse to vote Uzi and you found one.

[Luca Blight]

@Kaede:

you say my lynch pool pinged you hard but I answered all your problems wth it in 861, so please tell me why it still pings you?

[Luca Blight]

I wanted to see how Aero would respond to them himself, but I think you raised some fair points.

I will give Aero a thorough ISO'ing later when I have time.

[Luca Blight]

It's laughable how you accuse Uzi of being 'opportunistic' for his intent to hammer when you then go ahead and hammer without warning yourself.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Kaede

Hammering a strong townread in order to save herself = scum.

Her vote on me is also completely unexplained, so if she could explain it then that would be good.

I've been trying to think of why scumKaede hammers.
And I think it's only if she's scum with Luca.

What makes you think this?

[Luca Blight]

Scratch that, just seen this.

I'm admittedly being pretty lazy with the Luca/Kaede tie right now, but I remember feeling like Luca's Kaede vote timing felt weird and could plausibly be scum playing for the endgame.
I also just don't know why Kaede hammers there unless she feels her scummate can carry her afterwards.

[Luca Blight]

I don't really get what was weird about the timing of the vote; I was townreading Aero for the most part, and my lynch pool was Smocaine, Uzi and Kaede.

Kaede's vote on Uzi felt like either she was a) trying to gain townrcred by opposing a mislynch late in the day or b) making a last desperate attempt to save her partner.

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Why is that weird?

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V/LA until 6th Jan.

I will try to keep up with the thread as much as I can while I'm away.

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Still think Kaede is scum.

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Why did Kaede come off as really Town to you?

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@Luca

, can I get your general thoughts on how you feel about bussing and a general description of what you feel like your tendency is to bus in general? Will be diving a game or two at some point to corroborate your claims ftr.

Am done the Luca ISOdive, will talk about thoughts after I get answers.

Onto metadive things on Kaede.

I feel busing is a useful tactic if used well. When I played as scum during my first stint on this site I would bus rather enthusiastically and unnecessarily most of the time, but these days it's something I do rarely. I've had two scum games since my return to the site and I didn't bus in either of them.

As for Kaede's claim, I'm no expert on setups but I'm wondering if it's likely town would have three Masons as well as two fairly strong investigative/protective PR's? It's a pretty easy claim to fake as the chances are, with 4 pr's outed, the two she chose would be VT's.

I'm also wondering why she wasn't more suspicious of Kokichi's claim as well given this?

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How does that not align with what I said?

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It's time for you to explain yourself.

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Perhaps Kokichi should explain why I should be lynched instead of Kaede.

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Based on what?

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kokichi

I think at least one of Kokichi and Kaede is scum, and Kokichi's claim smells like pure BS to me.

This development also reads fake:

Hm a role cop with my role too?

Hm a role cop with my role too?

Trying not to be a dick, but are you seriously just not going to elaborate on your Kaede read?

Meta

VOTE: Luca it's time.

He seems suspicious in 1078 but doesn't follow up on it, and then proceeds to vote me instead, stating he has scumread me all the way through which isn't the case, and is based on nothing.

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Kaede, why are you scumreading me?

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Kaede, what has caused you to go from scumreading Uzi to being clueless?

If your biggest scumread flipped Town then I could understand that position, but I don't see what has caused you to stop pushing an Uzi lynch.

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Smocaine, why did you vote Uzi over Kaede Yesterday?

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So who is scum, Kaede?

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Smocaine, how are you currently feeling about Momo?

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Late D4 you held the opinion that Kokichi was probtown:

Why do you believe the doc aspect of Kokichi's role if you're speccing whether he's scum?

Hmm...
Nah scum!Kokichi would have hammered me.
He's probs town regardless of everything else.

Since then we've only had an Uzi flip, who you knew was going to be vanilla, and Cheet, who was always likely vanilla as well, so why didn't you suspect Kokichi more on D4?

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V/LA until 18th

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Not sure why I was prodded when I was V/LA...

I will do some digging in a few hours.

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VOTE: Smocaine

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Good game everyone.

As I mentioned in the scum pt, my motivation to play Mafia has gone down the drain since new year's so I'm glad this is over now! I plan to take another hiatus from this site.

I thought Town was pretty strong this game. Cheet in particular impressed me with some of his reads and analysis. He sometimes lacked the courage of his convictions though, thankfully for us.

Smocaine played well after a quiet start. He was town's strongest voice on D5.

I guess we got a little lucky hitting the three masons in a row. I figured Wisdom was likely a PR because he seemed to be holding back a bit. Marquis was obv mason by association. Chara I thought was likely a PR and also seemed a strong town voice, but I didn't realise they were the third mason until after the kill.

I was a bit miffed at Laser being so townread throughout, but his replace-out certainly aided us as well.